One shape only

[Justin Holmes]

So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?

As of this morning, I'm thinking authors. I like how they balance, and
there is something kind of classicly practical about how they look.
Unadorned, with form perfectly following function.

[mark tinsky]

In article <1138044439.4...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Justin Holmes" <jwh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Apples
MT

[Ken Dixon]

Justin Holmes wrote:

Billiard. Kinda boring but that's me.

Ken in Miami

[Ben R.]

A Hungarian or cavalier or something like that. Gimme 3/4 to full bent.

[mythdoc]

dublins

Glenn

[mingk...@aol.com]

Wespe.

Art

[David Quisenberry]

The "Lars" shape
http://www.danishpipemakers.com/makers/ivarsson/index.shtml [first two from
left]

"Justin Holmes" <jwh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[Lars Wiberg]

Hi,

On 23 Jan 2006 11:27:19 -0800, "Justin Holmes" <jwh...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I would have to go with the apple.

With kind regards,

Lars

[black...@gmail.com]

Oom-paul. No question.

[Charles Potter]

Justin Holmes wrote:
> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
>

Half bent billiards.

[Ed Mitchell]

David,

Since you missed the Nordh, you can buy my Lars on ebay right now:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQsassZcoopersarkQQsbrsrtZl

:-)

Ed

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[Corneel Vermeulen]

Justin Holmes wrote:
> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?

Belges.

Corneel.

[Thingy]

"Justin Holmes" <jwh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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As I have only the one at the moment, and am very happy with it,
I'd have to say an egg-bent. Mind you that'll probably change as
soon as I have a few more. :-)

T.

[Jamie McDonell]

mark tinsky wrote:

> Justin Holmes wrote:

>>So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
>>I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?

>>As of this morning, I'm thinking authors. I like how they balance, and
>>there is something kind of classicly practical about how they look.
>>Unadorned, with form perfectly following function.

> Apples

Definitely. There are plenty of shapes that look better: quarter bent
bulldog, calabash, cavalier, dublin, zulu - heck, just about anything
but a poker, General Dawes or many (though not all) freehands. However,
my apples smoke the best and that's what it's all about, isn't it?

[Sagiter]

Lovat

Neil

--
Neil Flancbaum
Craftsman
Home of the Ultimate Pipe Bag
http://www.smokinholsters.com

"Justin Holmes" <jwh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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[RickPiatt]

Bulldogs with Saddle Stems. Bent or Straight don't matter. I love 'em all.
--
Rick Piatt
Smoking Pipes since 1997

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[ContentedPiper]

Canadians. Best balanced shape I know.

[Cheryl]

Justin Holmes wrote:

>So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
>I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?

If it's 1/4 - 1/2 bent, feather weight and elegant - then the bowl
shape wouldn't be a big deal - perhaps a brandy-ish or "dublinesque"
shape with a free hand interpretation ... that sits. Nope, I don't
want much <g>

Cheryl

[Bob Landry]

On 23 Jan 2006 11:27:19 -0800, "Justin Holmes" <jwh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Canadian ( but I'd have to have a lot of 'em, given that fragile shank).

Bob

[AL]

Bulldogs ...
Bent Bulldogs ....
Authors ....

On 23 Jan 2006 11:27:19 -0800, "Justin Holmes" <jwh...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.

[Clif Swinford]

Full-bent billiard. They just hang right, and fit my hand.
--
Clif

"What does not kill me, makes me stranger."

[cstanion]

Lovat

[sing...@pobox.alaska.net]

For today....... straight apple.... tomarrow ?????

DPS

[Sagiter]

I knew you had good taste.

Neil

--
Neil Flancbaum
Craftsman
Home of the Ultimate Pipe Bag
http://www.smokinholsters.com

"cstanion" <csta...@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Lovat

[Bill Withers]

Over the past 5 or 6 yearts I've been a fan/collector of:

1. apples
2. woodstocks/zulus
3. dublins
4. bulldogs/rhodesians
5. billiards
6. lovats

My current love is lovats.

-bw

My current infatuation/fascination

In article <1138044439.4...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Justin Holmes" <jwh...@gmail.com> wrote:

[ezed]

>So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
>I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?

Billard

Ed I

[Richard A. Magri Jr.]

"Justin Holmes" <jwh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138044439.4...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
>

> As of this morning, I'm thinking authors. I like how they balance, and
> there is something kind of classicly practical about how they look.
> Unadorned, with form perfectly following function.

A bent ball.

Rick
--
"You know there are only two things as beautiful as a good gun, a Swiss
watch or a woman from anywhere. You ever have a Swiss watch?" Cherry Valance
to Matthew Garth -- Red River

[Gene H]

"Justin Holmes" <jwh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138044439.4...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
| I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
|
| As of this morning, I'm thinking authors. I like how they balance, and
| there is something kind of classicly practical about how they look.
| Unadorned, with form perfectly following function.
|

1/4 bent apple or ball-ish with a conical tobacco chamber, minimal length
non-vulcanite stem, and wide, thin bit.

Kinda like Cheryl said, "...I don't want much..."

Gene H

[Vince]

Justin Holmes wrote:

>So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
>I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
>
>As of this morning, I'm thinking authors. I like how they balance, and
>there is something kind of classicly practical about how they look.
>Unadorned, with form perfectly following function.
>
>
>

Bulldogs, for me.
Vince

[Buddy Springman]

"Justin Holmes" <jwh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138044439.4...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?

Mark's interpretation of the rho as exemplified by the LSW's birthday gift
to me last year.

http://img8.picsplace.to/img.php?file=img8/7/Birthday05.jpeg

Buddy

[Clovis-man]

I'm with Ed on this. The billiard shape seems more conducive to cool
smoking by virtue of the uniform thickness of the bowl. It usually
passes a pipe cleaner just fine and it's easy to keep your eye on
what's happening in the bowl (On some extreme bents, I feel like I'm
lighting up by remote control).

Having said that, I sure do like bulldogs.

Regards,

Jim

Even Cowboys Need Mozart

[Todd R. Jerabek]

Canadian or Lumberman - short bit.

[Safari]

A billiard or zulu.

Safari

[dre7]

Justin:

I was actually musing on this in the morning, then came across your post.

I have no idea.

But, if I had to pick something today, and stick with it forever, I suppose
it would be.....

a 1/8 bent Dublin with a fairly tapered bowl canted just enough to be
"jaunty" without being a considered a "poseur" zulu or, god forbid, horn.
Fairly wide, thin bit, with a graceful taper that takes its bend just before
the bit thins appreciably. Nice even flame grain with generous birdseye
around the rim.

But really, I'm not particular.

Andrew

Justin Holmes <jwh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
>

[greg...@gmail.com]

Justin Holmes wrote:
> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
>
> As of this morning, I'm thinking authors. I like how they balance, and
> there is something kind of classicly practical about how they look.
> Unadorned, with form perfectly following function.

I'd have to go with the billiard. Figure if I have to stay with one,
I'll stick with the classic.

Greg T

[Briarroot]

Justin Holmes wrote:
>
> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
>

Straight billiard.

Nothing fancy for me, please! ;-)

Regards,

Tim Parker ... GH Brown flake in a Stanwell billiard

[Steven Fowler]

straight billiard with a saddle stem

Steven

[Dale Miller]

Justin Holmes wrote:
> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
>

> As of this morning, I'm thinking authors. I like how they balance, and
> there is something kind of classicly practical about how they look.
> Unadorned, with form perfectly following function.
>
>

Bent Apple or Author.

--
All the Best
Dale Miller
Tennessee
ASP since February 2005

stpatri...@twlakes.net
stpatri...@twlakes.net
stpatri...@gmail.com

(cut the spam to reply)

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So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?

If it ever came to that, and I hope it never does,
I would prefer to have a canadian for both form and
function.

Fred

[Sailorman Jack]

True Rhodesian.

Jack

[shakenbake]

Justin;

Why do you do this to me?

Although I like apple, I think I like an author with a fishtail
mouthpiece for comfort. That was the pipe I bought (a Brigham) when I
was 'writing' my dissertation.

Tony Mazza

[Skip]

Rhodesian.

[rkzenrage]

Skip wrote:
> Rhodesian.
Yup.
Namaste'
Robert

[pipeman]

Rhodesian. Though I only have one currently.

[Skip]

Here's my new one that Joel just made for me Robert. He mailed it out
to me today. Dig this beauty...

http://www.jspipes.com/Pipes/0603/0603Composite.JPG

Skip.

[rkzenrage]

You remembered my "Chubby" thread and are a cruel-cruel-sick man!
Thank you.
Namaste'
Robert

[rkzenrage]

Sailorman Jack wrote:
> True Rhodesian.
>
> Jack
Yup... I had one cheat on me once... hurts don't it?
Namaste'
Robert

[Jonathan Wolgamuth]

It came to pass that on 24 Jan 2006, pyrom...@comcast.net scribed thusly
to all in alt.smokers.pipes the following inspiration:

That is quite a pipe! I'm glad Joel is participating in the 2006 club
pipe.

Quick question, is a Rhodesian basically a chubby author with lines around
the bowl? If so, then I kind of do like the author shape (or at least
Rhodesian) with the saddle stem. I wasn't sure I would...

--
Jonathan Wolgamuth [jonwolgamuth(at)gmail(dot)com]

"God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts
in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world."
--CS Lewis

[Tarek Manadily]

The Lovat, preceded by the Lovat, and followed by the Lovat, yesterday,
today, and tomorrow.

Did I say it was the Lovat? Well, it's the Lovat!

Tarek Manadily, Purveyor of:
Italian Pipes@ http://www.theitalianpipe.com
Shaabi Pipes@ http://www.shaabipipes.com
(Please de-spam my e-mail address)

Justin Holmes wrote:
> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
>

> As of this morning, I'm thinking authors. I like how they balance, and
> there is something kind of classicly practical about how they look.
> Unadorned, with form perfectly following function.
>

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[Corneel Vermeulen]

Jonathan Wolgamuth wrote:
>> Here's my new one that Joel just made for me Robert. He mailed it out
>> to me today. Dig this beauty...
>>
>> http://www.jspipes.com/Pipes/0603/0603Composite.JPG
>
> That is quite a pipe! I'm glad Joel is participating in the 2006 club
> pipe.
>
> Quick question, is a Rhodesian basically a chubby author with lines around
> the bowl? If so, then I kind of do like the author shape (or at least
> Rhodesian) with the saddle stem. I wasn't sure I would...

I guess a rhodesian would be a bulldog with a round shank/stem. Hence the
lines around the bowl.

HTH,

Corneel.

[G. L. Pease]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:58:10 -0800, Jonathan Wolgamuth, in tiny little
tap shoes, danced wildly on the keyboard to produce
(in article <Xns97553C61051B0jo...@204.127.204.17>):

> Quick question, is a Rhodesian basically a chubby author with lines around
> the bowl? If so, then I kind of do like the author shape (or at least
> Rhodesian) with the saddle stem. I wasn't sure I would...

Though these pages are really out of date, and need serious updating,
it's at least a reference:

http://www.glpease.com/Pipes/Shapes/Bulldogs.html

There are rhodesians there. And, at the bottom of this page can be seen
the classic author, and a variant:

http://www.glpease.com/Pipes/Shapes/Apples.html

As for my "one shape only" shape? It changes periodically. There are four
shapes that have been faves since the beginning of my collecting: lovat,
prince, squat bulldog and rhodesian. These days, I'm concentrating on
other shapes, but those four still define something special for me in the
world of pipe shapes. If I absolutely had to pick one, it would probably
be the rhodesian. It's quite a practical shape, really.Tomorrow, I might
choose something different.

Cheers,
Greg

--
In Celebration of Briar - A Gallery of Pipe Photographs
http://www.glpease.com/Photos/PipeGallery
Updated 16 January, 2006

[Ed Hagan]

Tarek,

You eloquently echoed my sentiments exactly!

Ed

[G. L. Pease]

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:27:45 -0800, Corneel Vermeulen, in tiny little tap

shoes, danced wildly on the keyboard to produce

(in article <43ksi1F...@individual.net>):

> Justin Holmes wrote:
>> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
>> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
>

> Belges.

A great shape, for sure, but quite an uncommon one these days. Most of
the examples I've seen have been OLD pipes. Are there modern makers,
other than Roush, who are producing Belges?

--Greg

[Justin Holmes]

Haha, sorry. Just thought it would be fun. I tend to smoke my author
while "writing" mine as well... Actually, I'm mostly doing lit review
stuff right now, so anything that works while I read is AOK, but
authors and princes seem to balance best.

[Jim Ruble]

"Justin Holmes" <jwh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1138044439.4...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
>

> As of this morning, I'm thinking authors. I like how they balance, and
> there is something kind of classicly practical about how they look.
> Unadorned, with form perfectly following function.
>

I'm currently smoking C & D's Comfort in a quarter bent, high bowl from
Mark. Long shank, about a 2 1/2 high bowl, somewhere between a billard and
a dublin. I think I could live with this shape forever, if I could afford
about 40 of them.

SCOTTY

[D.J. Perry]

I'd have to go with the classic 120 bent...

Cheers, D.Perry
ASP Since Fall 01
R.I.P. Tom Dunn

[Corneel Vermeulen]

G L Pease wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:27:45 -0800, Corneel Vermeulen, in tiny little tap
> shoes, danced wildly on the keyboard to produce
> (in article <43ksi1F...@individual.net>):
>
>> Justin Holmes wrote:
>>> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
>>> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
>>
>> Belges.
>
> A great shape, for sure, but quite an uncommon one these days. Most of
> the examples I've seen have been OLD pipes. Are there modern makers,
> other than Roush, who are producing Belges?

I think some call it cutty, I guess. I don't know anyone either besides
Roush, and it seems that on his website he attributes the shape to someone
else ;-)

Someday I'll have one of those.

And as far as 'old' pipes are concerned, I get the impression that they were
relatively common up until the 70s. I guess the freehand boom then had
something to do with the disappearing of that shape.

Personally, I hope some other pipe makers now will catch up on it and start
making them again.

One can dream,

Corneel.

[G. L. Pease]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:30:08 -0800, Corneel Vermeulen, in tiny little tap

shoes, danced wildly on the keyboard to produce

(in article <43nv4gF...@individual.net>):

> G L Pease wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:27:45 -0800, Corneel Vermeulen, in tiny little tap
>> shoes, danced wildly on the keyboard to produce
>> (in article <43ksi1F...@individual.net>):
>>
>>> Justin Holmes wrote:
>>>> So suppose you had to spend the rest of your days with only one shape.
>>>> I'm not saying only one pipe, but only one style. What would it be?
>>>
>>> Belges.
>>
>> A great shape, for sure, but quite an uncommon one these days. Most of
>> the examples I've seen have been OLD pipes. Are there modern makers,
>> other than Roush, who are producing Belges?
>
> I think some call it cutty, I guess. I don't know anyone either besides
> Roush, and it seems that on his website he attributes the shape to someone
> else ;-)

Ah, well, uh, I'm, uh...

The shape I designed for him is pretty loosely based on the traditional
belge. Ours is heavier, bigger, and somewhat more rounded, really. I
think of the traditional shape as being slim, almost delicate. The cant
of the bowl and it's curves are what sets the belge apart from the cutty,
at least to me. The cutty's bowl is almost dublinesque, while the belge's
bowl is more ovoid. The belge is *almost*, but not quite, just a tall,
canted billiard.

> Someday I'll have one of those.
>
> And as far as 'old' pipes are concerned, I get the impression that they were
> relatively common up until the 70s. I guess the freehand boom then had
> something to do with the disappearing of that shape.

It seems that the only examples I've been able to put my hands on have
been really old Comoys and the occasional Barling. I thought I had a
Comoy around here somewhere...

> Personally, I hope some other pipe makers now will catch up on it and start
> making them again.

I'll ring some bells.

Cheers,

[Adguru]

Amazing the support for the Lovat. I had thought that was an also run
shape that had peeked in the 40's. I've got a couple and I like them,
though thier stems seem a bit impotent, you've got to admit their
shanks are impressive.
Regards,
Ed

[Corneel Vermeulen]

G L Pease wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:30:08 -0800, Corneel Vermeulen, in tiny little tap
> shoes, danced wildly on the keyboard to produce (in article
> <43nv4gF...@individual.net>):
>> G L Pease wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:27:45 -0800, Corneel Vermeulen, in tiny little
>>> tap shoes, danced wildly on the keyboard to produce (in article
>>> <43ksi1F...@individual.net>):

>>>> Belges.
>>>
>>> A great shape, for sure, but quite an uncommon one these days. Most of
>>> the examples I've seen have been OLD pipes. Are there modern makers,
>>> other than Roush, who are producing Belges?
>>
>> I think some call it cutty, I guess. I don't know anyone either besides
>> Roush, and it seems that on his website he attributes the shape to someone
>> else ;-)
>
> Ah, well, uh, I'm, uh...
>
> The shape I designed for him is pretty loosely based on the traditional
> belge. Ours is heavier, bigger, and somewhat more rounded, really. I
> think of the traditional shape as being slim, almost delicate. The cant
> of the bowl and it's curves are what sets the belge apart from the cutty,
> at least to me. The cutty's bowl is almost dublinesque, while the belge's
> bowl is more ovoid. The belge is *almost*, but not quite, just a tall,
> canted billiard.

I've browsed around and came to find a fair bit of variety in shapes that
are called belge. I like them all.

Something like http://roushpipes.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=217 looks
great, and given the shape name, my nationality and that of the inventor of
the stem material, I think it all works very well together ;-) Though
slightly too 'chubby' to be perfect.

For other brands ... Apart from a Benner belge which alliterates and smokes
very nicely, I don't have much belges. Let alone new ones.

The other one is a Rio Bruyère, a brand I know nothing about, aside that
this specimen in my collection is one heck of a nice pipe and an even better
smoker. Fits my mug perfectly, too.

Recently I got an Eltang cutty, which Tom made to fit my tastes better than
most other of his cutties. I guess that one could pass as a belge as well.

>> And as far as 'old' pipes are concerned, I get the impression that they
>> were relatively common up until the 70s. I guess the freehand boom then
>> had something to do with the disappearing of that shape.
>
> It seems that the only examples I've been able to put my hands on have
> been really old Comoys and the occasional Barling. I thought I had a Comoy
> around here somewhere...

You know, it sounds like you've been doing some research there. Since I got
my first (the aforementioned Rio) I've been slightly obsessed with it. So
several searches on the net seems to deliver the following results:

Orlik:
http://pipepages.com/orl12.htm
Barling -- as you said:
http://pipepages.com/62bar5.htm
And more examples here:
http://pipepages.com/62bar9.htm
http://pipepages.com/62bar14.htm
http://pipepages.com/62bar22.htm
They do remind me a lot of Trever's Ligne Bretagne #100s ...
http://www.talbertpipes.com/bretagneshapes100.shtml
Kaywoodie calls them belgians:
http://pipepages.com/kwg-36app2
http://pipepages.com/kwg-36app5
http://pipepages.com/kwg-36app13

And now I'd like to take the opportunity to thank Chris for putting those
old catalogues online,for all to see. Good job, and a wonderful resource,
chris!

Peterson made them, and maybe they still do, but call them Belgique:
http://www.peterson.ie/product.asp?productID=188
Comoys are still online available as well, though this one is listed as a
belge, it doesn't particularly remind me of the others I've seen:
http://www.finepipes.com/view_item.php?pipeID=429&refer=%2Fresults.php%3Fkeyword%3Dbelge%26criteria%3Dall%26offset%3D0
BBB made them:
http://www.finepipes.com/view_item.php?pipeID=406&refer=%2Fresults.php%3Fkeyword%3Dbelge%26criteria%3Dall%26offset%3D0
I think there used to be a nice GBD there as well, but can't find it.

Anyway, there's a lot of variety in belges out there. And to think they came
from one of these:
http://membres.lycos.fr/guydeclef/images/Nomencla.03.jpg
(Gambier clays, in case you were wondering)

>> Personally, I hope some other pipe makers now will catch up on it and
>> start making them again.
>
> I'll ring some bells.

Would be great to see more of them in production again.

Cheers!

Corneel.

[shakenbake]

Great chioces!

What are you doing your lit review in?

Tony Mazza

[Justin Holmes]

I'm in the nth year of a PhD in poli sci. Working on a study of how the
proliferation of choice over media content has impacted media's role in
shaping opinion. I'm particularly interested in web based news, but
cable as well. It seems pretty obvious, but there is surprisingly
little empirical work thus far, but I need to get cracking while that
is still the case...

[Jari T]

So....your one shape for the desert island is ukulele then?

--
Jari T in Helsinki

[Steven Fowler]

I thought I was passionate about billiards, but the folks who love
lovats are surprising, I agree. Actually, two of my favorite pipes are
lovats, a Cavicchi and a Larry Roush. I think that passion is
contagious.

Steven

[Justin Holmes]

Is your Cavicchi a rusticated? The briary has one right now (or did as
of yesterday) that is wonderful. I'd really like a roush rusticated
lovat as well, but it is beyond my means, well or at least beyond my
self control... That and a Castello Sea Rock 32. Actually, the Cavicchi
looked kind of like a good substitute.

[Steven Fowler]

My Cavicchi is in the tan rusticated finish. The Larry Roush, my
highest grade pipe, is brown with a silver band and Cumberland stem.
Both airways are wide open, and the rustication is pretty close, too.
Both are fantastic smokers and real "lookers". I'm gonna go look for a
Castello Sea Rock 32.

Here's my Roush lovat:
http://www.roushpipes.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=86

Steven

[Justin Holmes]

THat is super sweet. I have one cavicchi and it is a great smoker. I'm
fighting the urge to buy that canadian now...

[shakenbake]

Maybe, you could use the latest Canadian federal election as an example
of how the media shaped the opinion of the voting public, then. ;<)
Martin didn't have a chance.......

[Justin Holmes]

IT's really interesting to see the spin on this one down here. In
typical election coverage, it is painted as a massive ideological shift
in the canadian public, ignoring that the conservatives didn't win a
majority in parliament (and ignoring the fact that there were massive
corruption scandals). Ever since they cooked up that whole red state
blue state thing, everything is interpreted in ideological terms,
despite the fact that very few voters in either country are exactly
ideologues.

[G. L. Pease]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:23:55 -0800, Corneel Vermeulen, in tiny little tap

shoes, danced wildly on the keyboard to produce

(in article <43pjgbF...@individual.net>):

> You know, it sounds like you've been doing some research there. Since I got
> my first (the aforementioned Rio) I've been slightly obsessed with it. So
> several searches on the net seems to deliver the following results:

Wow, what a selection! The variation is remarkable, but the similarities
are quite pronounced. Thanks for the research! ;)

-glp

[Justin Holmes]

So to me, it looks like a belege is kind of between a billiard and a
cutty? It seems like the common theme is that the bowl is more canted
than a billiard, and perhaps slightly egg shaped. IT also seems that
when they bend, the bend is in the stem, not the shank.

[G. L. Pease]

On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:27:00 -0800, Justin Holmes, in tiny little tap

shoes, danced wildly on the keyboard to produce

(in article <1138692420....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):

They also tend to be a little taller than the standard billiard. But,
this seems to sum it up pretty well. It's an old shape, and a great one,
even if often overlooked or forgotten today.

-glp

[Corneel Vermeulen]

G L Pease wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:27:00 -0800, Justin Holmes, in tiny little tap
> shoes, danced wildly on the keyboard to produce
> (in article <1138692420....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):
>
>> So to me, it looks like a belege is kind of between a billiard and a
>> cutty?

That's how I see things as well. The cant and shape is that between a
billiard and a cutty -- but it might just lean a little more towards a
cutty.

>> It seems like the common theme is that the bowl is more canted
>> than a billiard, and perhaps slightly egg shaped. IT also seems that
>> when they bend, the bend is in the stem, not the shank.

I've seen pipes online described as belges that were 1/2 bent, but to my
eyes, they didn't look one bit like a belge. Don't know where they are now
though.

> They also tend to be a little taller than the standard billiard.

That I don't really know. Some definately are, but I don't see this to be a
real must.

What did strike me is that most of the belges I've seen have shanks that are
longer than that of the average billiard. Not as long as a lovat's or
canadian's, but definately longer than that of a billiard. I guess they are
right in the middle of both these standard shapes.

It's completely subjective, but I feel like this longer shank does give the
pipe a longer, more slender look than a billiard. It really accentuates the
length, but only subtly. Of course, this is not the case with Roush' belges.

> But, this seems to sum it up pretty well. It's an old shape, and a great
> one, even if often overlooked or forgotten today.

In any case, it still shows its origins back from the clay days. I love the
shape, but that should have been clear by now. I wonder sometimes what I as
an individual could do to renew interest in this lovely shape. Probably
nothing ground breaking or earth moving.

"Every little bit helps", said the mosquito while it took a leak in the
ocean.

Cheers!

Corneel.