What is a Kentucky Tobacco
RickPiatt
ingredients is "Kentucky" along with Burley and Cavendish .... now Burley
and Cavendish I understand ... but what is Kentucky? Is it a type of
tobacco like a VA or a Burley?
--
Rick Piatt
Smoking Pipes since 1997
Keith T
Hi Rick,
"Kentucky" is Burley, in fact is one of the states where Burley is
predominantly grown. An interesting side-note (at least to a 'baccy nut
like me) is the leaf buyers are descending on Kentucky and TN. right
now inspecting and buying the Burley crop. Glad you're developing a
taste for this leaf!
Regards,
Keith T
RickPiatt
list say both Kentucky and Burley ????? Is there some secondary process
done to the Burley leaf (as in a Cavendish) that makes it become a Kentucky?
Not trying to be dense here, just trying to understand. And, since I'm at
it does anyone know what a Mahogany is as listed in Peterson's University
Flake (not as in the tree - before someone says its a type of wood)
--
Rick Piatt
Smoking Pipes since 1997
"Keith T" <histor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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RickPiatt wrote:
> I've been smoking W.Ř.Larsen's Kentucky Gold lately and one of the primary
Michael Hudson
> Ok ... if a Kentucky leaf is acutally a Burley ...
BANG!
Hey Rick, coincidentally, I stumbled across this yesterday:
"Kentucky:
Kentucky tobaco originates from the State of Kentucky in Eastern USA.
Today most of the world's production of this tobacco comes from
Kentucky and Tennessee. Kentucky tobacco is also grown in Indonesia and
south east Africa.
The leaves of Kentucky tobacco are 30-70cm long, and have a uniformly
dark brown colour.
The strength varies from medium to very strong. The relative strength
of Kentucky tobacco is due to extensive mulching of the soil under the
tobacco plants to obtain leaves which are thick and very oily.
Kentucky tobacco is otherwise grown and dried as for Burley tobacco.
After drying, Kentucky tobacco is smoked in a similar way to Latakia,
but not so intensely. Besides its smoky flavour, the taste is very full
and slightly sweet."
The page - http://www.pipesmokingtobacco.com/Tob%20Grades.htm -
describes the major tobacco types/names. I can't vouch for its
veracity, but they seem to know their onions. Or tobaccos, as the case
may be.
Cheers,
M
Ian Rastall
wrote:
>what is Kentucky? Is it a type of
>tobacco like a VA or a Burley?
I believe it's Burley-ish, if that's a word. Even if it's not a word,
I'm usin' it.
OldBriar
<m...@reddotcommunications.com> wrote:
>RickPiatt wrote:
>> Ok ... if a Kentucky leaf is acutally a Burley ...
>
>BANG!
>
>Hey Rick, coincidentally, I stumbled across this yesterday:
>
>"Kentucky:
>Kentucky tobaco originates from the State of Kentucky in Eastern USA.
>Today most of the world's production of this tobacco comes from
>Kentucky and Tennessee. Kentucky tobacco is also grown in Indonesia and
>south east Africa.
>
>The leaves of Kentucky tobacco are 30-70cm long, and have a uniformly
>dark brown colour.
>
>The strength varies from medium to very strong. The relative strength
>of Kentucky tobacco is due to extensive mulching of the soil under the
>tobacco plants to obtain leaves which are thick and very oily.
>
>Kentucky tobacco is otherwise grown and dried as for Burley tobacco.
>After drying, Kentucky tobacco is smoked in a similar way to Latakia,
>but not so intensely. Besides its smoky flavour, the taste is very full
>and slightly sweet."
>
I beg to differ but South Carolina and North Carolina produce most of
the worlds tobacco. It's hot gas flue cured and used for cigarettes.
I live in the heart of tobacco country. Flue cured sheds a dozen or
so a mile every where.
I don't believe I'm wrong.
OldBriar
Life is good!
OldBriar
OldBriar
<m...@reddotcommunications.com> wrote:
>RickPiatt wrote:
>> Ok ... if a Kentucky leaf is acutally a Burley ...
>
>BANG!
>
>Hey Rick, coincidentally, I stumbled across this yesterday:
>
>"Kentucky:
>Kentucky tobaco originates from the State of Kentucky in Eastern USA.
>Today most of the world's production of this tobacco comes from
>Kentucky and Tennessee. Kentucky tobacco is also grown in Indonesia and
>south east Africa.
snip.
http://www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/aec/aec83/aec83.htm
OldBriar
Life is Good
traveler
OldBriar <wes...@removethismsn.com> wrote:
>
> I beg to differ but South Carolina and North Carolina produce most of
> the worlds tobacco.
I think you're right about the Carolinas producing the largest share
of the US crop. But the entire US produces only 6-7% of the world
tobacco crop. Nearly 50% of the annual tobacco tonnage is grown in
China, mostly for the huge Asian cigarette market.
--
traveler
Keith T
Oldbriar, perhaps what I said was mis-leading; KY and TN are the two
largest U.S. growers of Burley. VA, NC, parts of SC and to some extent
GA grow Virginias, or flue cured tobacco. There is some experimental
crops of Burley currently being grown in eastern NC, or the part that
traditionally grows flue cured. Rick, the 'baccy that is labeled
Kentucky is Burley tobacco, the label identifies the origin and the
fired curing process they (they being the growers, I always hate when
someone says "they" and leaves you wondering who they are) use to cure
the leaf. Think of it in terms of when someone talks about "Old Belt",
they're still talking about Virginia leaf, just from a particular
region. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Keith T
whisk...@sbcglobal.net
"What is Kentucky?", he seems to know quite a bit about the different
'baccy types.
Austin Gosling
> On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:34:14 -0500, "RickPiatt" <eng...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>what is Kentucky? Is it a type of
>>tobacco like a VA or a Burley?
>
>
> I believe it's Burley-ish, if that's a word. Even if it's not a word,
> I'm usin' it.
>
> Ian
From the article: "Dark fire-cured and dark air-cured production is
concentrated in 33 western Kentucky counties and is used primarily in
smokeless tobacco products such as snuff, chewing and pipe tobacco."
The way this is phrased, we should be allowed to enjoy our pipes in
public buildings and restaurants!
Michael Hudson
AHEM!
> From the article: "Dark fire-cured and dark air-cured production is
> concentrated in 33 western Kentucky counties and is used primarily in
> smokeless tobacco products such as snuff, chewing and pipe tobacco."
>
> The way this is phrased, we should be allowed to enjoy our pipes in
> public buildings and restaurants!
Very true. Still, we are free enjoy our pipes wherever and whenever we
darn well please. We just can't smoke them, is all.
I'll be out back splitting hairs if anybody needs me, so let it ring.
M
G. L. Pease
keyboard, producing
(in article <P2Ylf.36731$4l5.3192@dukeread05>):
> Ok ... if a Kentucky leaf is acutally a Burley ... why does the ingredient
> list say both Kentucky and Burley ????? Is there some secondary process
> done to the Burley leaf (as in a Cavendish) that makes it become a Kentucky?
> Not trying to be dense here, just trying to understand. And, since I'm at
> it does anyone know what a Mahogany is as listed in Peterson's University
> Flake (not as in the tree - before someone says its a type of wood)
There are other burley types besides Kentucky. Like any other crop, the
tobacco will take on different characteristics depending on where it's
grown - soil, climate and so on. Additionally, Kentucky, as a type
designator, often refers to dark air cured or fire-cured leaf, each of
which is quite distinct and different from the lighter grades of burley
to which we are accustomed. If you see both burley and Kentucky listed in
the ingredients, my guess would be that there are darker Kentucky burleys
in the mix, as well as lighter grades, which may also have been grown in
Kentucky.
Clear as mud?
-glp
--
Gregory Pease
G. L. Pease Tobaccos
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pipeman
There are 5 USDA types of tobacco grown in KY: type 22, eastern dark
fired; type 23 western dark fired; type 31 light air-cured (Burley);
type 36 dark air-cured (One Sucker) and type 37 dark air cured (Green
River). Only Green River is grown exclusively in KY. Burley is grwon
in about a dozen states and at least as many countries, including
Bulgaria, but main expost sources outside the US are Malawi, Mexico and
India. The dark varieties are also grown outside the US, though I
haven't seen them offered as KY tobacco but as nativized variaties. If
a manufacturer refers to burley and knetucky, you can be assured they
are refering to one of thhe dark varieties or something similar from
outside the US. Most EU countries use African rather than merican
tobacco. These tobaccos can be found mainly in chew, snuff and cigars,
and many (there are dozens of cultivars) have cigar-like
characteristics. BTW all these tobaccos come in a range of color, and
a given leaf of white burley may be darker than say Green River. White
burley gets its name from a white-yellow border thats found on the
underside of the growing leaf, not from its appearence when cured.
KL
James D. Beard
> The page - http://www.pipesmokingtobacco.com/Tob%20Grades.htm -
> describes the major tobacco types/names. I can't vouch for its
> veracity, but they seem to know their onions. Or tobaccos, as the case
> may be.
The page is an interesting composite of fact and fancy,
with some of the "fancy" aspects having been true at
one time but no longer.
To hit just a few points, China is the world's largest
producer of tobacco, rather than any U.S. state or
combination of states. Much of the "Perique" sold
today in pipe tobacco is Green River tobacco grown
in western Kentucky and cured in the same manner as
Louisiana Perique, but not the same stuff. Virginia
lost the title of largest producer of Virginia tobacco
many decades ago. Within the U.S., I think North Carolina
holds that title. Latakia originated in Syria (as claimed)
for for many years the bulk of Latakia in world commerce
has come from Cyprus. Syria does not have enough of the
brushwood needed to fuel the fires to fire-cure the
stuff, and there have not been enough camels around
for over a century to provide the alternative fuel
that old pipe-smokers like to mention as the source
of the distinctive taste. Virginia did not originate
in Virginia, nor was it a "Spanish" tobacco. The
seeds John Rolfe obtained probably came from Venezuela,
and that Orinoco tobacco was descended from tobacco
grown on islands in the Caribbean.
Cheers!
jim b.
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Tom Greene
Thanks Jim.
Tom Greene
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pipeman
north carolina. It was actually patented in 1839 as 'Yella Cure' and
was know as yellow cure at least as late as 1915. There is a gap in my
knowledge but the earliest reference to flue-cured I have seen ws in
the 1930's. I think the change occured when it went from being best
known as the wrapper leaf for plug tobacco to cigarette tobacco, a
transition thhat occured after WWI. The tobccos has changed as well;
becoming sweeter both as a result of seed selection and a change in
harvesting practices; additionally other varieties were crossed in in
the 1870's. Flue barns have largely been replaced in the US with bulk
barns but are still used in Africa and India and probably in Brazil as
well. How tobacco becme know as virginian has long been a matter of
speculation but the closest railhead and tobacco market was in Danville
virginia, and I imagine people knew only where they bought it.
Interestingly yellow -cure seems to have been unknown outside the
immediate are until the Civil War. Early in the war southerners became
aquainted with the tobacco and at thhe end of the war northerner got to
smoke and chew it. It was not known outside the US until 1876, though
the English took an immediate liking to it. It was ony after the CW
that production began to expand, both north into VA and south and east
in NC. It was originally thought the tobacco could only be grown in a
very particular soil and climate and production would always be severly
limited. It turns out that as long as the soil is well drained and of
low fertility the tobacco grows well. The true virginia varieties,
sun-cured and dark fired have shrunk considerably in demand as they are
more useful for chew and snuff than cigarettes. Also in the the early
1900's 'virginia' was delisted as a british possesion for tobacco
tariff purchases and production began in british colonies such as
India, Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) and Nyasaland (Malawi). These storng
tobaccos were traditionally more popular on the export market due to
the tariffs.
Jame Rowlfe is reputed to have smuggeled spanish tobacco seeds out of
Bremuda. The term spanish did not mean it came from spain, but rather
refered to N.Tabacum, as opposed to N.Rustica which was availble in NA.
Whether or not Orinicco seed was later smuggled into VA is a matter of
controversy, some claim it was simply a marketing gimick. Either way
flue-cured is classed as an orinocco variety as is DFV. I hve been
unable to locate any cultivar info for SCV. The origins of N.Tabacum
itself is a matter of dispute. One view is that it is a hybrid of two
other Nicotinum, N.Longifoli and N.Sylvestri IIRC. The term spanish
was in the US at least inot the late 1800's as a statement of quality.
The best tobaccos were called spanish regardless of source, case in
point being the tobacco that later became know as Bull Durham ws
orininally named something or other spanish mixture. The same for
cigars, the best grade was called spanish. I suppose the term became
passe once the US took over what was left of the Spanish empire. Cuba
was no longer part of spain fpr example. As I have posted repeatedly,
manufacturers use the names that sell. Their intent is neither to
confuse or illucidated but make money. French briar is now Corsican.
Spider crabs are snow carbs etc.
KL
sb in an Ashton
pipeman
http://www.ams.usda.gov/standards/stantob.htm