US Navy and smoking
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and time. This means where nobody can see you loitering around with a
cigarette in your hand or mouth. It's definitely not acceptable to smoke
while walking down the street, etc. which is very reasonable. Few things
can make me think someone is undisciplined more than seeing them bee
bopping down the lane with a cigarette in their hand. It's just looks bad
to me. Most of the guys didn't smoke, and I didn't at the time, but
several did though not heavily. I think they were worried about not making
the cutoff on PFTs (that's Physical Fitness Tests) and having that show up
on their record. It's taken into account when they look at you for
promotions. Enlisted men were much the same, though I think they could get
away with more simply because didn't give a damn what someone told them
not to do about something as trivial as smoking. Bunch of gutsy fellows I
always thought:) The few times I was around a Navy Boot Camp there were
always a good bunch of guys smoking and drinking sodas when they weren't
running their butts off or doing some drill or another. I do know, that on
ships smoking was ok in many areas, including the lounge of the enlisted
berthing areas and in most of the officers quarters as well as the chow
halls. The big Taboo on a Navy ship though, is smoking in your rack
(that's a bed to you guys:). This has always been, and probably still is,
a general courts martial offense I believe. I couldn't tell you much about
submarines as I've never been assigned to one.
Lineman K wrote:
> A question that's been on my mind (for no reason I can think of); What
> are the rules concerning pipe smoking and the US armed forces,
> specifically the Navy? Is smoking allowed in Boot Camp? What about on
> ships and submarines? Are there designated smoking areas? What about
> with officers? Is there a protocol?
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Lineman K
Charles L. Decker Jr.
I can help some there, as I have been in the Navy for 18 years now.
For a long time smoking was not allowed in Basic Training, but I can't say
for sure if that is still true. I suspect that it is still so.
On ships (surface) one or two areas, on the weatherdecks, will be designated
as "Smoking Areas", but smoking inside the skin of the ship is not allowed.
Most CO's try to designate an area topside that is not directly exposed to
the elements, like in a "Breezeway" (a semi enclosed passageway), but you
are still at the mercy of the weather. But then again, if a CO is a rabid
anti-tobacco type, the smoker will suffer even more.
My understanding on submarines was that a compartment, usually a machinery
space will be designated as a smoking area, but for more info you would need
to hear from a "Bubblehead".
For Officers it can get very political. Smoking is so non-PC and the Officer
community is so PC driven that smoking could have an affect on thier Fitness
Reports, which affects promotions as well as future assignments. Of course,
if the CO is a smoker, then it is a moot point. I have met very few smokers
among Officers in the last 18 years, and only a couple of pipe smokers in
the enlisted ranks.
The US Navy was aiming for "Smoke Free in 2000", but quietly let that
initiative die off when reality sunk in. About a third of all active duty
enlisted personnel smoke at any given command, mostly cigarettes. The Navy
was smart enough to accept that issuing a directive would not change that
overnight, or even in a few years.
Hope this helps
FireControlman First Class C.L. Decker
FCTCLANT Dam Neck
Cruise Missile Department
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Lineman K <linemankREMO...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Russ TJepkema
fact, the entire Recruit Training Center, I believe, is smoke free.
You can not smoke in Bachelor Quarters (officer nor enlisted ---
they're both combined for the most part) nor in any Military building.
I always smoked on the Bridge of the ship---but then again I was the
Captain ;-) . Some ship's stores and shore exchanges do not sell
tobacco products. A few years ago, a carrier CO declared his ship
smoke free --- but he was overturned by higher authority. As far as in
uniform, a number of years ago, regs against smoking in uniform when
covered were implemented. Having been stationed with the Army and Air
Force, I can say they have similar rules.
Hope this answers your question
warm regards
Russ
Daniel Boyle
smoking on submarines! im sure they smell bad enough when they are
selaed for ages when they dive
100 sweaty blokes with little opertunity to wash well + smoking = one
hell of a stink
Jeff Schwartz
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Dan Paden
allowed. One recruit managed to sneak a cigarette (he thought!) and
wound up getting NJP--lucky they didn't throw him out! I saw people
getting discharged in boot camp for other "small" offenses. Once I was
out of boot camp, though, you could pretty much smoke when you wanted,
as long as it was allowed in the particular area you happened to be in,
and as long as you cleaned up after yourself. With my MOS, I spent a
LOT of daylight hours sitting and smoking and watching for tanks.
Dan the Man "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life
was cast into the lake of fire."
ken...@my-deja.com
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:41:38 -0500, "Charles L. Decker Jr."
><boo...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Greetings!
> >
>>I can help some there, as I have been in the Navy for 18 years now.
> >
>>For a long time smoking was not allowed in Basic Training, but I
>>can't say for sure if that is still true. I suspect that it is still
so.
rus...@exis.net (Russ TJepkema) wrote:
>To further answer your question, Navy Boot Camp is now smoke free.
Army Basic Training has been effectively smoke free for 19 years and two
months that I can vouch for. What usually happened was, the Drill would
designate a room in barracks as the smoking area, let the smokers in
there for a 5 minute smoke break, and then drop them all for many, many
push ups, relieved only by "dying cockroaches", beacause they got butts
all over his floor.
One advantage to smoking a pipe, in my opinion, is that I can go for
days (weeks?) without touching it and only miss it emotionally. No
craving...
>In fact, the entire Recruit Training Center, I believe, is smoke free.
>You can not smoke in Bachelor Quarters (officer nor enlisted ---
>they're both combined for the most part) nor in any Military building.
Department of Defense policy states that you can smoke only in
designated areas in DoD buildings--meaning nowhere, unless the club has
a smoking lounge.
Said DoD policy states specifically that you MAY smoke in quarters or
housing, as long as no other occupants object. No one living in my room
in this barracks objects...
>>For Officers it can get very political. Smoking is so non-PC and the
>>Officer community is so PC driven that smoking could have an affect on
>>their Fitness Reports, which affects promotions as well as future
>>assignments. Of course, if the CO is a smoker, then it is a moot
>>point. I have met very few smokers among Officers in the last 18
>>years,
>I always smoked on the Bridge of the ship---but then again I was the
>Captain ;-) .
Priveleged...
I have seen a few more smokers among officers the last year or two--of
course, this discounts the "custom" of the "victory" cigar after an
exercise. And, so many junior officers being Yuppies in disguise,
cigars in general were really big for a while...
I won't be surprised to hear in a few years that smoking is an automatic
"2 Block" on an OER...
The 2ID Assistant Division Commander for Maneuver, who is widely
regarded as the Coolest General in service today, smokes like a chimney.
>>and only a couple of pipe smokers in the enlisted ranks.
We have one Warrant Officer here who smokes a pipe. Of course, Warrant
Officers are rules unto themselves...
(Note to Non-Americans: Our Warrant Officers aren't like yours.)
>Some ship's stores and shore exchanges do not sell tobacco products.
Figures. But the PX hasn't followed suit.
>>On ships (surface) one or two areas, on the weatherdecks, will be
>>designated as "Smoking Areas", but smoking inside the skin of the ship
>>is not allowed.
>>Most CO's try to designate an area topside that is not directly
>>exposed to the elements, like in a "Breezeway" (a semi enclosed
>>passageway), but you are still at the mercy of the weather. But then
>>again, if a CO is a rabid anti-tobacco type, the smoker will suffer
>>even more.
> >
>>My understanding on submarines was that a compartment, usually a
>>machinery space will be designated as a smoking area, but for more
>>info you would need to hear from a "Bubblehead".
My wife is from a Navy Family. They all wonder about this doggie--if I
wasn't the second highest ranking person in the family, they might not
speak to her. Her uncle is a retired "bubblehead" Senior Master Chief.
I'll ask him if I see him... (Of course, his retirement predates my
enlistment.)
>A few years ago, a carrier CO declared his ship smoke free --- but he
>was overturned by higher authority. As far as in uniform, a number of
>years ago, regs against smoking in uniform when covered were
>implemented.
Maybe in the Navy. Differant services, differant customs.
At Ft. Lewis, in God's Country, there is a post policy against smoking
in front of "subordinates." (So, if I'm not in a leadership position,
and thus have no subordinates, does it apply?) The Battalion Command
Sergeant Major I respect abvove all others tells me that, when he was a
First Sergeant there, some of his soldiers saw him smoking and started
giving him shit about it. He put them at attention and then gave them an
"About Face", so he wasn't in front of them...
>Having been stationed with the Army and Air Force, I can say they have
>similar rules.
In accordance with the above-mentioned DoD policy, I can't smoke at my
desk. But I'm in Korea, I can step out of my office and smoke a pipe in
front of my troops, and all that will happen is that the men (boys...)
will ask what I'm smoking, and the women (girls...) will talk about how
their father used to smoke a pipe... (Doubly frustrating...)
>>The US Navy was aiming for "Smoke Free in 2000",
Ha!
> >FireControlman First Class C.L. Decker
> >FCTCLANT Dam Neck
You have GOT to be kidding!
>>Cruise Missile Department
>>
>>Tomahawk: When you care to send the very best!
SFC Kenneth C. Dawe
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each meal, the DI would herd us back to the barracks, and while we sttod in
formation, announce the magic words. "The smoking lamp is lit for one
cigarette, and one cigarette only! Then he would often add the "punch
line!" "And I'm smoking that!" As we stood there and watched, he would do
just that--smoke one cigarette and one cigarette only! (I suppose I should
be grateful none of our DIs were pipe smokers!)
Tom K.
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Daibhidh
specifically recall our Drill telling us to 'smoke 'em if you got 'em' while
teaching us how to make a bed to regulations. This was IN the building and
I have to say over half of the soldiers there smoked.
DOD did outlaw smoking in general buildings, but soldiers could still smoke
in their rooms in the barracks at least until I got out in 1994.
A LOT of soldiers in the units I was in smoked. I guess it had to do with
field artillery and/or a combat arms MOS.
Regards,
Dave
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Lutz Boden
<linemankREMO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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After reading all this postings about smoking in the US Navy and US
military in general I have to express my astonishment. How can a
country calling itself "the land of the free" forbid a large ammount
of its citizens (and soldiers are citizens, aren't they?) to smoke?
I started pipesmoking when I was a recruit in the German air force
back in 1987. Smoking wasn't reglemented in general. Even in the basic
training camp there were bunk-rooms for smokers and nonsmokers. During
duty-time smoking was not allowed, but there were smoking-breaks
enough. In uniform, smoking was not allowed when wearing a steel
helmet (but we could set it off in breaks), and walking around on the
barraks ground with a cigarette was forbidden. When not on duty and
not in uniform, there was no reglementation at all.
Later, after the basic training, I worked in an office and nobody
objected against my cigars (well, not in general at least) and my
pipes. The same in the military car I often used and was responsible
for. My rank was private then.
BTW, on seagoing units (aka ships) tobacco products (and alcohol and
other items) were sold to the crew duty-free, as on airports in the
duty-free shops.
Greetings (puff, puff Red Raparee in Ferndown Spigot)
L. Boden
--
I'll give up my pipe when they pry it from
my cold dead lips.
Smoke pipes? Speak German? Then news.de.alt.fan.tabak
is the group you'll enjoy.
Charles L. Decker Jr.
Every Naval Base I have been to in recent years has had a "No Smoking"
policy for it BEQ's. They no longer designate certain quarters as available
for smokers, using the reasoning that a non-smoker could be assigned to the
same quarters. I'm sure they thought this out very carefully, even though
E-6 and above are entitled to single occupant quarters. Yeah, right. That is
one of the many reasons why I live in a nice little apartment near the
ocean, where I can smoke anytime I want, do as I please and enjoy life.
Smoking in uniform is regulated, it is against regulations to be walking
around with a cigarette,cigar, or pipe, and I am one of the first to stop a
sailor and re-calibrate him/her if I see them doing it. There are designated
areas all over the base where smoking is allowed, all of them outside. We
bought and installed a fancy wooden Gazebo beside the building where I work,
added some picnic tables and a BBQ grill, flower beds and gravel walkways.
We even put panels up in the sides of the Gazebo to block the wind, making
it a decent place to relax with a pipe on even the crappiest of days.
I have yet to run across a Navy Exchange that does not sell tobacco
products, although they don't sell anything I would care to smoke. I have
heard rumors that on some ships, the ships store no longer carries tobacco,
even though smoking is allowed in the designated area. This would be one way
to attempt to force folks to quit without actually going against DOD
directives. Fortunately this is my last tour, and I am spending it as a part
of the Dirt Navy, so I will not have to deal with that problem in the
future.
I really don't get hassled in the office too much about my pipe smoking.
When anyone decides to tell me about the health risks and such, I listen
quietly, then politely inform them that it is not a good idea to dog out the
man who decides thier work schedules. ;-)
FC1 C.L. Decker
FCTCLANT Dam Neck
(No, I'm not kidding)
Cruise Missile Department
smoking Silk road in a Dunhill billiard before I have to go to work warping
thier fragile little minds...
rpe...@mindspring.com
>FC1 C.L. Decker
>FCTCLANT Dam Neck
>(No, I'm not kidding)
>Cruise Missile Department
>
>smoking Silk road in a Dunhill billiard before I have to go to work warping
>thier fragile little minds...
>
>
>
>
>
>
Navy bootcamp was almost smoke free in 1964. We got a 15 minute break
in the AM and after dinner and that was about it. That was for
cigarettes only, you could not pack a pipe in that length of time.
None of the ships were smoke free, just some areas on them. But I
don't see how a ship could maintain its course without smoking on the
fantail, a finger bent from from perpetually holding coffee cups
(bosuns bend), and a constant flow of bullshit. But the only place
were the bent finger, bullshit and smoking took place continuously was
the fantail. I think we had to hold the stern of the ship down to
keep the screws in the water.
Daniel Boyle
wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:02:55 -0800, Lineman K
><linemankREMO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>snip
>
>After reading all this postings about smoking in the US Navy and US
>military in general I have to express my astonishment. How can a
>country calling itself "the land of the free" forbid a large ammount
>of its citizens (and soldiers are citizens, aren't they?) to smoke?
>
<snip>
surley smoking could reduce the performance of soldiers, obviously
smoke is not good for you and incouraging this would perhaps be the
wrong thing to do?
Michael Junge
smoking back on ships sailors, chiefs, and officers noticed that walls
(bulkheads) that were painted white stayed white...instead of the yellowish
color that the "substandard paint picked up from diesel fumes." There is
also a bit of aline drawn between cigar, pipe, and cigarette smoking.
Cigarette smoking is far more prevalent, cigar has been on an upswing
(especially among officers), and I was the lone pipe smoker in a wardroom of
over 60.
I personally despise the smell of cigarettes and avoid them whenever I
can...always cracks me up when I get told I can't smoke my pipe in a
restaurant or bar because it bothers the cigarette smokers ;)
Miek Junge
Lutz Boden <lutz....@gmx.de> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:02:55 -0800, Lineman K
> <linemankREMO...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> snip
>
> After reading all this postings about smoking in the US Navy and US
> military in general I have to express my astonishment. How can a
> country calling itself "the land of the free" forbid a large ammount
> of its citizens (and soldiers are citizens, aren't they?) to smoke?
>
FRED SCHNITZIUS
was in the Army from 1969 to 1976 (I know this is about the navy, but it
is still the military) there was only one restriction on smoking I can
think of, and that was not to salute with a cigarette in your mouth or
in the hand that was raised.
It seems like almost everyone smoked back then. There were no smoking
areas. We smoked everywhere. Heck, we even got free smokes in our
c-rations.
I'll never forget the phrase that was heard at every break: "Fall
Out....Smoke 'em if ya got 'em".......
I do remember one thing that was somewhat peculiar looking
back....most pipe smokers were officers, most cigar smokers were senior
NCOs or warrent officers, and most cigarette smokers were enlisted
men.......
Toren Smith
>smoke is not good for you and incouraging this would perhaps be the
>wrong thing to do?
As opposed to the soldier's job of getting shot at by people who want to kill
him? I'm reminded of the announcer on the X-Games talking about one of the
road luge guys who got killed a week or so before, and saying "Well, at least
he died doing what he liked." He then went to a commercial break, and the
first one was a public service announcement denouncing smoking!
Ah, the bitter irony...
--Toren
"De gustibus non disputandum est"
ken...@my-deja.com
"Daibhidh" <due...@gte.net> wrote:
>This is contrary to what I remember when I enlisted back in 1984.
But of COURSE! Basic Training got easier the day after I graduated!
This is a law of nature, known to all Senior NCOs.
And fathers.
>I can specifically recall our Drill telling us to 'smoke 'em if you got
>'em' while teaching us how to make a bed to regulations. This was IN
>the building and I have to say over half of the soldiers there smoked.
I am pretty sure no one smoked in the barracks after the little set-up
with the smoking area. I didn't smoke anything at the time, so don't
remember, but people were probably smoking during breaks at ranges, etc.
>DOD did outlaw smoking in general buildings, but soldiers could still
>smoke in their rooms in the barracks at least until I got out in 1994.
I think I said that...Or tried to.
>A LOT of soldiers in the units I was in smoked. I guess it had to do
>with field artillery and/or a combat arms MOS.
MI Geeks are not exactly smoke-free. And Flyboys smoke like chimneys.