Alternative Stem Materials
Jeff Folloder - (TES)
cumberland variations. And there are the acrylics such as Lucite,
metacrylite, bakelite, etc. Many artisans have used amber and some have
employed horn. Even though I am selling one, I even have a couple of
Ashtons with solid Sterling silver tips (these are not overlays, rather,
they are actual stem ends with button that are about a half an inch long).
What other materials would be good candidates for stems? Yes, I am
thinking about the luxury end of the scale. What Larry Roush does with
his stash of Bakelite is stunning. I'm wondering what other marvels
could be created with the right material in the right artisan's hands...
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Jeff Folloder - (TES)
> ....nothing but what you mentioned jeff. the silver and gold tips were a
> failure.
Actually, I rather like the silver tips. They generate a surprising
warmth while smoking that is not at all unpleasant.
gerard montoya
berlin.de>, je...@folloder.com says...
> So there is vulcanite and all of its derivatives, both black and
> cumberland variations. And there are the acrylics such as Lucite,
> metacrylite, bakelite, etc. Many artisans have used amber and some have
> employed horn. Even though I am selling one, I even have a couple of
> Ashtons with solid Sterling silver tips (these are not overlays, rather,
> they are actual stem ends with button that are about a half an inch long).
>
> What other materials would be good candidates for stems? Yes, I am
> thinking about the luxury end of the scale. What Larry Roush does with
> his stash of Bakelite is stunning. I'm wondering what other marvels
> could be created with the right material in the right artisan's hands...
>
Something like Blood of Kings on a pipe with a red
stain, wow! I know he's mentioned that some of this
stuff is hygroscopic and wouldn't hold up as a stem,
but there's some of his acrylics that would work...
Jeff Folloder - (TES)
I know Art has contemplated the idea. I'm not certain of the exact
mechanics, but I am pretty certain that many of those materials are more
suited to stem bands as opposed to whole stems. Art?
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that it was difficult to clench a pipe as it tended to slip away.
i could not bear the sound of metal against teeth.
but it is after all personal preference.
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Chris Keene
<je...@folloder.com> wrote:
>What other materials would be good candidates for stems? Yes, I am
>thinking about the luxury end of the scale. What Larry Roush does with
>his stash of Bakelite is stunning. I'm wondering what other marvels
>could be created with the right material in the right artisan's hands...
What about some of those space-age type materials that they make golf
clubs and fishing poles with? Um...carbon fiber, or something like
that?
Jeff Folloder - (TES)
> ...if one holds the pipe i guess it's ok. the tips were so hard on the teeth
> that it was difficult to clench a pipe as it tended to slip away.
> i could not bear the sound of metal against teeth.
> but it is after all personal preference.
> d
>
Definitely not good for clenching! The silver is too soft and would
clamp the draft hole shut.
Robert DOnnelly
> So there is vulcanite and all of its derivatives, both black and
> cumberland variations. And there are the acrylics such as Lucite,
> metacrylite, bakelite, etc. Many artisans have used amber and some have
> employed horn. Even though I am selling one, I even have a couple of
> Ashtons with solid Sterling silver tips (these are not overlays, rather,
> they are actual stem ends with button that are about a half an inch long).
>
> What other materials would be good candidates for stems? Yes, I am
> thinking about the luxury end of the scale. What Larry Roush does with
> his stash of Bakelite is stunning. I'm wondering what other marvels
> could be created with the right material in the right artisan's hands...
Perhaps Ivory or Tortoise if they were not endangered; how about
briar, or another kind of wood; that would be interesting. Though I
think Alpha pipes already has a line with wood stems.
Happy Blends,
Robert
Will Purdy
>
> What other materials would be good candidates for stems? Yes, I am
> thinking about the luxury end of the scale.
The most incredible would be a stem made from the stock OMAS Arco pens are
made from.
The most fun would be a really well aged Slim Jim with a delrin tenon.
Will
mml...@charter.net
What about stone? Like the asp'er who is sculpting tampers in
alabaster. Suppose it would break your teeth though. lol Mary
Mingkahuna
>mechanics, but I am pretty certain that many of those materials are more
>suited to stem bands as opposed to whole stems. Art?
I would say that this is an accurate statement. Most of the materials that I
use do not come in sizes suitable for stem work. Mark Tinsky once did a pipe
where the use of the material that I call Cuda was contemplated for a stem. As
this material comes in bars (square end profile)
roughly 5/8" by 5/8" it would not be thick enough for all but the thinnest
stems. Mark did end up useing it for a shank band, but even this was a
challenge due to size.
Most of my round rod stock has a diameter of 17mm, so again we are looking at a
very narrow material well suited for tamps and pens, but not for stems. Trever
used some Cebloplast material for a warden-like stem, but he must have used
some of the material that wasn't turned down to 17mm which has an oval profile
and extrusion ribs. I have some of this but have it reserved for special
projects due to its size. Much of that class of material was diamond cut down
to 17mm rods, but some of it that was once available from pen suppliers was in
the raw uncut larger form.
Also, as we have discussed here before, some acrylics are more suitable for
stems than other kinds. And, as Gerard mentioned, CA would not be appropriate
at all due to size, hygroscopic nature, and the fact that it may be a bit too
soft. While I've never tried to bend CA, I suspect that it would be difficult
as this material has great elasticity.
An alternate material for stems would also be African Blackwood. This wood is
used for musical instrument mouthpieces. On the plus side it is very well
suited for this purpose, but on the downside the grain is nothing to write home
about and bending it would probably be impossible.
Art
max
durable yet softer on the teeth than granite or silver.
max
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>
> What other materials would be good candidates for stems? Yes, I am
> thinking about the luxury end of the scale. What Larry Roush does
> with his stash of Bakelite is stunning. I'm wondering what other
> marvels could be created with the right material in the right
> artisan's hands...
What about Teflon (polytetrafluorethylen) ? With that kind of stuff,
you'll never have a pipe stuck in your mouth ;-)
I know, it's white (generally), and might be difficult to bend (never
tried), but it's easy to machine...
Pierre
Sykes Wilford
> briar, or another kind of wood; that would be interesting. Though I
> think Alpha pipes already has a line with wood stems.
Ardor also has a line of pipes with briar stems. The downside is that they
can't be bent. Damiano Rovera spent a very long time trying to find a way
to drill a bent briar stem for a special order we had about a year ago (it
was an Ardor Angelo Series Venere with the briar stem-- if any of you
recall, the Angelo series had only one shape and it was bent). He ended up
giving up the project and the pipe was made with just the standard acrylic
stem.
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Rob "Nixster"
Oh..Oh...Kevlar, that might work. Not only would you have a stem, but
would be bullet proof too. Though you might try like carbon fiber in
a nice acrlic base, would look cool for sure, but might have to use
some kind of tubing to make sure that you had a good smoke hole.
Rob "Nixster"
Ok, I again will code for food!!! Oh and now that it is cold up here,
heat too!!! Oh..and well I will always code for a pipe or some
baccy!!!
SSG Nick Psaki
would feel nice on the teeth, and have a lovely, attractive color, as well.
Bone also came to mind, though maybe a bit hard. Both options would probably
color nicely.
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Mingkahuna
briar pipe? I have smoked one over the past year and love it.
Art
John Hamilton McGrath
through - like a "Cavalier"?
John
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In article <20031216084504...@mb-m12.aol.com>,
Briarroot
>
> Speaking of alternative stems, does anyone here smoke and own a one-piece all
> briar pipe? I have smoked one over the past year and love it.
I have a beautiful Kaywoodie "All Briar" lovat, shape #51S.
This is not a one-piece pipe, the bit is separate from the
bowl/stem, and screws into place in typical Kaywoodie fashion.
Unfortunately, it also has that metal Kaywoodie plumbing, the
"Drinkless System" which I don't like, so I seldom smoke it.
But it sure is a pretty pipe! ;-)
Regards,
Tim Parker ... Dunbar in a Parker blast chimney
gerard montoya
@telus.net says...
> A "ONE" piece ALL briar? How was it drilled? Does the hole go all the way
> through - like a "Cavalier"?
>
> John
>
John, check this out..
http://www.stoabriars.com/photos/SmoothBriarUkeGroup.JPG
one of them is probably Art's.
Mingkahuna
>
>http://www.stoabriars.com/photos/SmoothBriarUkeGroup.JPG
>
>one of them is probably Art's.
Gerard, you are correct, the smooth is mine. The pipe is only 4.25" long and is
an amazing pocket pipe. Todd kept the blast. Few pipes have struck me like
this one and the Eltang that I fefer to below.
John, the airway goes straight in to the bowl. I have an incredible all briar
Eltang uke that is considerably larger that is constructed the same way.
Shortly I will begin producing a very limited series of all briar pocket pipes,
at least initially for my own consumption.
Art
John
> Speaking of alternative stems, does anyone here smoke and own a one-piece all
> briar pipe? I have smoked one over the past year and love it.
>
> Art
Delrin comes in rod form. Is there a reason one could not make an
entire stem from it? Of course, it is much more expensive than
acrylic.
Also, does anyone know if it is extruded or cast acrylic that is used
for pipe stems?
John
leus arroa epublish punto ce ele
I guess cast (I believe you can only manufacture extruded acrylic in
sheets between 15 and 20mm)
Regards,
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leus arroa epublish punto ce ele
Kurt Huhn
leus arroa epublish punto ce ele wrote:
> John wrote:
> >
> > Also, does anyone know if it is extruded or cast acrylic that is
> > used for pipe stems?
>
> I guess cast (I believe you can only manufacture extruded acrylic in
> sheets between 15 and 20mm)
>
Usually cast. Extruded acrylic doesn't take a shine or machine quite as
well as cast acrylic. extruded is less stable (dimensionally speaking)
and doesn't have as high a resistance to heat - as I recall.
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John Hamilton McGrath
pipes,
> at least initially for my own consumption.
Trade? :)
John
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In article <20031216144533...@mb-m12.aol.com>,
Mingkahuna
>
>John
LOL, nothing to trade except some drawings, a box of briar, and a bunch of fun
new tools. It's all smoke until there's fire.
Art
gerard montoya
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>
> Gerard, you are correct, the smooth is mine.
>
shapes, chock full of birdseyes top and bottom!!
Mingkahuna
>shapes, chock full of birdseyes top and bottom!!
>
They sure are unique! The Eltang is so perfectly grained it almost looks
painted on. Todd's grain pattern is a bit different. He did that blast one
first and it has that splayed out grain pattern that I requested that he do in
my smooth.
I've got to tell you that the size of this pipe (more Todd's Sarcophagus as the
Eltang is larger) makes it a perfect pocket pipe. I can throw it in a pouch
and into my pocket and not worry about a broken stem. The bowl is only .75
inches wide, but it is surprisingly deep. For grabbing one of those special
moments while on the run it is wonderful.
Art
gyanwn
> This is not a one-piece pipe, the bit is separate from the
> bowl/stem, and screws into place in typical Kaywoodie fashion.
> Unfortunately, it also has that metal Kaywoodie plumbing, the
> "Drinkless System" which I don't like, so I seldom smoke it.
>
> But it sure is a pretty pipe! ;-)
A recent aquisition of mine is a Genod 1993 pipe of the year;
rusticated bowl with a smooth finished wood stem. I don't know if it's
briar, but the grain appears to have birdseye patterning.
I must reiterate - a very pretty pipe, indeed!
gyanwn
Buddy Springman
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> Shortly I will begin producing a very limited series of all briar
pocket pipes,
> at least initially for my own consumption.
Uh-oh... 'nother black hole for my wallet.<g>
Buddy
Mingkahuna
>
>Buddy
>
Hey Buddy-
I'd say that your wallet is probably safe for a good while ;-) I announced
Ming Legacy pipes over two years ago and it has taken this long to find the
right direction. So, I'll see what happens. Believe me, this isn't the only
iron in the fire!
Art
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Mingkahuna
>
>Neil
Yeah, but when I'm spending money (hating overhead as I do) you know it can't
be too far off ;-)
Art
Mingkahuna
That is true, that most acrylic that you see is cast, poured in sheets.
The major material that I have seen extruded (and takes an amazing shine) has a
styrene component, copolymer styrene methamethacrilate. The only concern that
I would have as to resitance to heat is in tooling the material.
Art
Trever Talbert
entire stem from it? Of course, it is much more expensive than
acrylic."
It would be great if it could take and keep a shine, but unfortunately
delrin scuffs if you look at it the wrong way, so a delrin stem would
quickly be a scratchy dull mess... aside from the problem that the great
surface lubricity would make it a challenge to hold in the teeth at times.
It also can't be bent, so it would be straight stems only. It's the perfect
material for tenons though!
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pronounce the scientific woids of the plastics.
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copollamere styterrine metatamorphiccritilate..
aw shit.....fuck it.
huh? copolla? what's copolla got to do with it?
he's a freakin' director.
are you doing this on purpose? are ya? have'nt ya terrified me enough?
and you know i'm not paranoid!
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Mingkahuna
>copollamere styterrine metatamorphiccritilate..
coplasteredbastard strychnine methamahemorrhoid.
Art
Stephen E. Williamson
smells nice, it is tobacco, if it smells like wood, it is briar, if it
smells like chemicals, then it is plastic. It it smells of hair, then I
gotta trim the mustache again.