Orlick Dunhill blends, London Mixture and Standard Mixture Medium
Michael Rothenberg
But in case you don't read my comments there I thought it would be helpful
to comment here as well. I have smoked Dunhill blends for many years and
they have been among my favorites. The Orlick versions are to my taste weak
and no longer the blends of old. London Mixture is almost tasteless.
Standard Mixture Medium may now be renamed Standard Mixture Extremely Mild.
I'm sure the Dunhill blends will still sell just because of the extensive
distribution of Dunhill throughout the world. They are sold in stores that
often only carry an extremely limited number of pipe tobaccos. As for us,
ASP readers who are much more educated in tobaccos, the sale of Dunhill
blends will drop to almost zero once the Orlick versions are tried. I can
just imagine the glee of the other folks making English style blends because
their sales are surely going to increase. I suggest you try the Orlicks and
judge for yourselves. I will cautiously ration my Dunhill-Murray supply
over the coming years.
Puffer
problem is that nothing stays the same, especially a natural product like
tobacco. Blends come and go as do pipe manufacturers, look at the
tremendous shift over the last 20 to 30 years alone. The Dunhill of old is
gone and will never return as the same fate that befell Balkan
Sobraine,Sasieni, Charatan, GBD, Comoy, etc, etc. Instead of Orlik trying to
keep a name and blend going, possibly just letting it die off would be more
appropriate. There are way too many blends to enjoy ....I am lamenting
Brindley's death, but it is just the way life is .............
"Michael Rothenberg" <mkjr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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ML
wrote:
Well, have to weight in on this one also....of course with new
blenders things will not be the same...BUT, it seems to me and several
others here [anyone else wish to chime in or am I going to be left
alone here] who have confided with me on emails, that Dunhills sure
take a lot of constant bad rap. It is however all of taste. I have
personally found that while, of course they have changed, the London
Mix is far from tasteless [to me anyway and many of those around here]
unless you have [and here comes a retorted zing, burned ones tongue
out on the Rhubarb & Vinegar blends that are quite popular.
And the StanMix Med...is [again for many] far from extremely mild. Its
a nice middle road english that is great all day...but again all is so
subjective. And Early Morn Pipe?--well, its is still a fine smoke any
time but great with coffee if you like a little latakick early
on...hey thats what the can says anyway. And for some of us the great
"smooth and spice," of Royal Yacht is wonderful. A "go to" for me
personally every day. Again personal taste...did I say that already?
There are other blends, especially the Lake District blends that are
unsurpassed for stoved tobaccos, but many do not like them
either...its all sooo subjective. I personally think its great you
have some of the older ones you CAN horde, while others do not...but
the current ones are really not quite as bad as described. I
personally think that most...I mean most of the McB's and McC's are
simply too harsh...but there you have that personal choice..but they
are popular--and thus do not get the bad public rap, whereas the
Dunhills are no longer the cat's meow or growl. It is just that when
change comes along, not everyone will be pleased...
Just some thots for us to consider...I normally take all this with a
grain of something..but this morning, just felt there needed to be a
spokesman for even these current Dunnies, [tho surely not the same]
that actually bring some pleasure to some of us...[boy, sometimes it
feels goooood to be a minority] Bests to you..and to all today...
ML. [zkeeper]
Col. CraggyBlast
wrote:
> I'm sure the Dunhill blends will still sell just because of the extensive
> distribution of Dunhill throughout the world. They are sold in stores that
> often only carry an extremely limited number of pipe tobaccos. As for us,
> ASP readers who are much more educated in tobaccos, the sale of Dunhill
> blends will drop to almost zero once the Orlick versions are tried.
I respect your opinion, Michael. I have never been a Dunhill tobacco
smoker, so I can't comment on the change in strength, which I assume
is strength of taste, not nicotine.
However, your hypothesis is not supported by the data. Currently on
smokingpipes.com's top ten tinned blends, three Orlik Dunhill blends
are present:
#5 MM 965
#8 Nightcap
#10 London Mixture
smokingpipes.com's customers have a wide selection of blends to choose
from. Who's to say if those customers are or are not ASPers?
Moreover, who's to say that some smokers might prefer the new Orlik
versions? I seem to recall Kim saying he likes the new Royal Yacht
better than the Murray's.
Again, I don't mean to say you are wrong about the strength of the new
blends. I suspect there has been some change in latakia proportion
with the new blender as that has been a common sentiment posted here.
Irishlefty
been much more distinct but I still find the current blends to be
lovable. EMP, 965, Nightcap, Royal Yacht - all please my palate as they
are made today. Doesn't mean you and I are 'right' and others are
'wrong' - it really is a matter of individual taste.
Irishlefty
shakenbake
wrote:
Michael;
Thank you for your professional reviews. However, I think that, just
because the new Orlik blends are not to your liking, they may still be
enjoyable to others. That is not to say that you are wrong and they
are right, or you are right and they do not have sufficiently
developed taste. Each to their own.
For what it is worth, I enjoyed the older Murray blends, and have
tried the new 965 and London Mixtures and find them to be
satisfactory. However, my tastes are such that I am still bemoaning
the fact that, for example, that there is no equivalent to the
Sobranie 759 of old, of which I still have a meager few tins left from
when I bought in quantity in 1982. So, I believe that we would have
similar tastes in our English blend selections.
Possibly, as a redeeming measure, let's re-visit the Orlik blends
after a few years of aging, through which the Virginian components
might more fully develop, and then compare! If, after some aging,
they are not satisfactory, we have at least some great blenders in our
company who have and continue to offer us great new blending
experiences.
shakenbake
Col. CraggyBlast
ML,
I think it's great that you are defending the Orlik Dunhill blends;
but each time (maybe an exaggeration) you do, you always slam the
taste/aroma/smoking qualities of McClelland blends. It doesn't help
your cause. Moreover, to say that McClelland doesn't get a bad rap is
plain wrong. Ask some who have been around here for a few years; I
have been defending McClelland for much longer than you've been
defending Dunhill.
Lars Wiberg
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers.pipes/browse_frm/thread/d64e1f612e6e1ab5#d45fc08ff8db5e80
If Dunhill threads were TV re-runs, I'd cancel cable.
With kind regards,
Lars Wiberg
Michael Rothenberg
review a tobacco I am expressing my opinions. I even state in my posting,
"to my taste" and at the end say that everyone should try the new versions
and judge for themselves. I go way back on ASP and many of we old members
(I'm basing this on past discussions) just don't post very much anymore
because of the way that some readers respond. I respectfuly submit this
opinion for your consideration.
shakenbake
wrote:
> After reading the responses to my post I would like to point out that when I
> review a tobacco I am expressing my opinions. I even state in my posting,
> "to my taste" and at the end say that everyone should try the new versions
> and judge for themselves. I go way back on ASP and many of we old members
> (I'm basing this on past discussions) just don't post very much anymore
> because of the way that some readers respond. I respectfuly submit this
>
> news:Cp-dnbJ4fKgnNAHa...@comcast.com...
>
> >I have reviewed these blends on the Tobacco Reviews website (Smokerace).
> >But in case you don't read my comments there I thought it would be helpful
> >to comment here as well. I have smoked Dunhill blends for many years and
> >they have been among my favorites. The Orlick versions are to my taste
> >weak and no longer the blends of old. London Mixture is almost tasteless.
> >Standard Mixture Medium may now be renamed Standard Mixture Extremely Mild.
> >I'm sure the Dunhill blends will still sell just because of the extensive
> >distribution of Dunhill throughout the world. They are sold in stores that
> >often only carry an extremely limited number of pipe tobaccos. As for us,
> >ASP readers who are much more educated in tobaccos, the sale of Dunhill
> >blends will drop to almost zero once the Orlick versions are tried. I can
> >just imagine the glee of the other folks making English style blends
> >because their sales are surely going to increase. I suggest you try the
> >Orlicks and judge for yourselves. I will cautiously ration my
> >Dunhill-Murray supply over the coming years.
Hello Michael
I am sorry if I sounded too harsh in my earlier reply. You are
absolutely right, and I apologise if I sounded too judgmental. It is
great to have a forum such as ASP to voice our own opinions. ;~)
apipeguy
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mike, thanks for the thoughts. I APPRECIATE your review.
Ed Duncan
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I've sampled all the new latakia blends from Orlick. Am fortunate that
I still have about 1 1/2lbs 1990 Cyprus latakia. Still seems quite
potent.....I just added a bit to each Orlik, let it all "marry" for a
month...now they all seem similar to the Murrays.
(Course I am a died hard lataholic and like at least 40% in a blend,
and probably don't have much of a palate, so take the above with a
"grain of salt")
EdDuncan, Batavia, NY
pipe since '62, brain addled/mindless forever
shakenbake
wrote:
Needless to say, McClelland, Orlik, Dunhill et al and Murray have all
made good blends. We are truly fortunate to have many tobaccos for
many tastes.
DTA
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Juan in Andalucía
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I think that the current production of Dunhill blends will improve
with some years of aging. They're using quality leaf and I don't
detect any PG.
Of course there're many other blends, but buying the ocasional tin of
dunhill and dropping it at the bottom of a drawer doesn't sound like a
bad idea.
BTW, I prefer the new version of EMP.
Juan in Andalucía
Col. CraggyBlast
> *sigh*
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.smokers.pipes/browse_frm/thread/d6...
>
> If Dunhill threads were TV re-runs, I'd cancel cable.
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Lars Wiberg
Lars, I suspect you're fighting a losing battle, but I admire you for
doing it anyway.