Question needing answering without attempts at humor.
stg-delfuego
disdain for Christianity or Christians? Did a church leader touch you
inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something about
door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the sake
of frogs, give it a fucking rest already. *NOONE* cares what you
think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to scan
over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin grow up already.
Klyf Fenderson
babbled:
I think your post is a prime example.
--
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I bet you wish your signature could be this witty
and amusing.
nu-monet v6.0
>
> What is it about some of you (all fo you
> almost?) that has such disdain for
> Christianity or Christians?
Oh, you underestimate us. We don't have disdain
*just* for Xtians, we have disdain for lots of
different religions, philosophies, belief systems,
*and* the mindlessness of those who insist they
have none.
Xtianity comes in for special consideration most
likely because it is the predominant annoyance.
A silly religion, really, whose permutations get
sillier and sillier, yet whose adherents clog and
fester every part of these United States and its
even modestly secular organizations, pestering
those who want no part of it. Fortunately, but
only recently, do they use less violence then the
Wahabbi Moslem in doing this; but memories of
violation remain strong among we, the unwashed in
the mythological blood of the nice Jewish Lamb.
Which is not to say that Xtians cannot be brutal,
cruel, stubbornly stupid, astoudingly arrogant,
and politically ambitious to control and dominate
others with their fantasies; any more than can any
other religion or creed; it's just that they are
the dominant group here. And that they, for the
time being at least, have tapered off on their
coercion and brutality, giving us an opening.
It has been and is the duty of the cynic and the
scoffer to confront true believers and those who
use them throughout history. To sneer and fart in
their general direction, to expose their nakedness
despite claims of fine clothing, to stomp on their
feet of clay, and to point out that the sound tube
running hidden from their high priest to the mouth
of their graven image would sound better if it had
a reed inside so their god would make more squacky
noises like Donald Duck.
We are usually killed for our presumptuousness, but
leave the faithful with that annoying afterthought:
"Why do the heathen laugh?"
--
Fukem if jokay take not.
-- nu-monet
Joe Cosby
wrote:
Because we killed Christ.
Pilate was the Lee Harvey Oswald of his time.
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Suppose nothing else were "given" as real except our world of desires and passions, and we could not
get down, or up, to any other "reality" besides the reality of our drives--for thinking is merely a relation of
these drives to each other: is it not permitted to make the experiment and to ask the question whether
this "given" would not be sufficient for also understanding on the basis of this kind of thing the so-called
mechanistic (or "material") world?...
Suppose, finally, we succeeded in explaining our entire instinctive life as the development and
ramification of one basic form of the will--namely, of the will to power, as my proposition has it... then one
would have gained the right to determine all efficient force univocally as--will to power.
The world viewed from inside... it would be "will to power" and nothing else.
from Beyond Good and Evil, s.36, Walter Kaufmann transl.
Dunter Powries
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Attempts at humor are all we have. Damn you, man.
Dunty Porteous,
Human Sacrifice
--
"It was a just and marvelous judgement of God, that this place should be
filled with the blood of unbelievers."
-Raymond of Aguilers
ghost
Because SHUT UP.
nenslo
Well that "question" just turned into a pretty weak whiny semi-rant so
SHUT UP.
But the answer is that every religion, EVERY religion, makes sense to
those who believe in it and looks pathetic and stupid to those who
don't. You moron.
Klyf Fenderson
Well, I prefer religions that don't make sense to those that believe in
'em either. Damned if I want a religion for the slack-jawed mouth
breathing SHEEP-like masses that need to be told what to think, becuase
they're incapable of independent thought. It says something that
Christianity refers to it's followers as sheep. Stupid animals, easily
lost, and fair game for any of a number of predators.
--
Rev. Klyf S眾-M257 the Not-Quite-Sane Fenderson
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Some religions make more sense than others. The old "all religions
are equal so let's just not argue about it" line is a bunch of
new-agey appeasatory intellectually bankrupt bullshit.
All religions have some line of bullshit or another, or they wouldn't
be religions, they'd be businesses. But some religions are
passionately devoted to hiding their heads in the sand and keeping
their kids out of schools that might expose them to evil Satanic
doctrines like evolution or geometry or spelling, and others aren't.
In Tibet monks have to learn how to argue. It's part of their
religion. Part of their education, considered a critical part, is to
learn how to reason logically, how to defend a proposition in an
argument, and how to recognize when their position has been
invalidated. I've seen photos of them doing it, waving their arms
passionately in the air and getting in each other's faces. If it
weren't for the orange bathrobes you'd think they were on Usenet.
That and the fact that they are actually using logic, which would be
pretty foreign for Usenet.
Meanwhile Christians are OFFENDED if you try to teach their children
well-established, well-investigated sciences like archaeology or
evolution. They've accepted medieval cosmology as the One Only Really
True Truth and take GREAT PRIDE in not allowing their beliefs to be
subject to scrutiny or even a moment's logical thought. To them,
that's FAITH.
That's not all of why I find Christians moronic and comical but it's a
good start.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
Keep fighting, changing the experiment. Soap the tires, sand up the
windshield, piss in the soup, shit in the attic, return junk mail to
it's sender in those nice postage paid envelopes, jam their radar with
foil, foil their jam, ruin their hide, turn left instead of right,
stop, randomize your life, use cash only, leave payphones off their
hooks, leave traces but not of you, overpay your bills by ten cents,
swamp them with information they can't decipher, but never give them a
reason.
RevCarterLeBlanc
> On 22 Mar 2004 11:56:08 -0800, stg-delfuego <djcamer...@yahoo.com>
> babbled:
>
> > What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
> > disdain for Christianity or Christians? Did a church leader touch you
> > inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something about
> > door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
> > like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the sake
> > of frogs, give it a fucking rest already. *NOONE* cares what you
> > think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to scan
> > over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
> > Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin grow up already.
>
> I think your post is a prime example.
To remove the humor is to remove the issue. If you can't take
it...fuck you. Cuz that's what we do.
Rev. Richard Skull
When I was in the third grade, I was kicked out of Sunday school for ASKING TOO
MANY QUESTIONS! (this is not an attempt at humor, its the truth)
With a few rare exceptions, most of the major Christain Sects are nothing but a
hytocrites. Who seem to be able to find a passage in theBible condeming
anything YOU do but upholding anything THEY do. Even when teh teachings of the
one guy who gave their religion a name contardicts everything they say!
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
HellPopeHuey
> > disdain for Christianity or Christians? Did a church leader touch you
> > inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something about
> > door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
> > like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the sake
> > think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to scan
> > over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
> > Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin' grow up already.
I chose to be baptized into the body of Christ when I was 13 because
at the time, with only Granny's pies and a limited amount of science
fiction and counterculture hijinks under my belt, it seemed like a
sensible commitment to make to a larger world wherein a certain base
civility and heart were accepted as the proper starting point of any
human endeavor.
THEN I began to get pancreas-rot from the hypocrisy, the idiocy, the
puckered pontification, the misreading of even the watered-down,
Latin-dismissing King James version of the Bible that is most commonly
used, the things I read about the Children's Crusade, the Catholic
Church's near-collusion with the Nazis and the face-clawing LAMENESS
of most of the participants. My parents raged and screamed at their
children and at one another like petty fools, yet still behaved as if
they were God's Own, apart from their actual attitudes and behavior.
It became clear to me that this cadre of vicious Eloi were more alien
to me than a volcanic vent worm.
They did not practice what they preached and their preaching was
terrible anyway. The ONE preacher who made a positive impact on me was
brother Asa Blankenship. He filled in one Sunday and based his sermon
on following the Word carefully. He then blew me away by winding it up
and saying "... and so you can see that if you follow the Word
absolutely and faithfully, you will paint yourself into a corner and
dishonor both yourself and God's intent FOR you, because the Bible is
a guide, not a blunt object. You have to live and breathe and apply it
to each new challenge or trial, as a THINKING Christian, or you have
failed in His plan for you. He does not think for you; that's YOUR
job. Its to make your mistakes as King David did, yet learn from them
and justify Christ's sacrifice, becoming a willing participant in His
grand plan."
Aside from that shining and logical moment, the rest have made me
puke, so when Satan, Jesus, Elvis and "Bob" sat me down and gave me my
first drink o' corn likker, I was set straight and proceeded on my
rightful course of creative general sin, full-bore lesbianism,
breakdancing blasphemy, tax-evasion, gut-blowout laughs and whatever
else defines Hellpopism, which varies depending on the day, the
company, the amount of gas I emit and which direction the wind is
blowing.
I hope this helps, you whiny little toad turd. God Bless you and
PRAISE "BOB!"
--
HellPope Huey
Crouching HellPope, Hidden PillMonkey
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb
voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
- Benjamin Franklin 1759
"The Law is mighty stupid in its implementation
and slower than a Special Olympics medal winner
playing chess with a Simpsons set.
- HellPope Huey
Rev. Ivan Stang
stg-delfuego <djcamer...@yahoo.com> wrote:
If you guys would switch to little statues of the Virgin Mary hanging
on a cross in just her drawers, or, better, pole dancing, *I* for one
might be a little more into it. You can't fool me, eternity is just a
fairy tale that some mathematicians dreamed up to freak out little kids
and stoners.
But to stop being facetious. With all due respect, you just
BALD-FACEDLY asked SubGenii to answer something about RELIGION without
even ATTEMPTING humor; what else CAN you expect?
That said, I will attempt to answer your question quite seriously and
without sarcasm.
I am not like some of my less tolerant or broad-minded fellow SubGenii.
You are right, many of them are angry. I have a certain sympathy for
believers, myself. I was raised in a family that could best be
described as secular humanist, and was taught comparative religion from
that standpoint, and perhaps because of that I don't have a personal
bone to pick with any religion especially. I find the entire sweep of
human belief to be fascinating, and I don't mean from a Spock-like,
logical perspective, either. I have believed in many miraculous things
in my day.
And I still believe in miracles. Miracles are all around us. Some will
be surprised that I would say that. But yes, I truly believe that
supernatural miracles happen all around us constantly. And the most
miraculous thing of all is faith itself. It is a fucking miracle that
people can believe such utter bullshit.
And yet that hogwash and flim-flam brings millions deep, much needed
comfort and succor -- real help and calm, in a world full of
uncertainty and hardship. Yes, faith itself proves there are miracles.
It is the most fantastic miracle of all.
--
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Alliekatt
One Sunday school Sunday when I was 10 they gave us a blank sheet of paper
and told us to draw a picture of God. Most of the kids drew this bearded
guy. I put a single dot in the middle of the page and the Sunday school
teacher asked me afterward why I did that. I told her that it was a
completely meaningless assignment, that "God" was a singular reference thus
the singular dot, and it would be like trying to draw everything at once all
at the same time. So later when my mother told me not to pile my coat with
the other kids' in school because I could get head lice, and I said that out
loud in Sunday school when they asked me why I left my coat outside the
door, they were especially virulent in calling my mother and telling her to
eat shit and die. After that I watched her crumple and boo hoo for an
entire day and ask me why I did that. I said that I wasn't familiar with
the socioeconomic distinction between the school I attended and the church
my family belonged to, but would remember in the future that other rich
people's rich kids don't spread head lice, and neither did lower-middle
class pretenders like ourselves.
So my point is, actual existence and paper definitions of god don't mix.
Head lice transmitted by hillbilly schoolmates in pubic schools, however,
can hit at any moment, and Christians should be especially vigilant in both
encouraging and berating the obsessive compulsion to think about nits and
make one's head start itching.
As far as eternity is concerned, I have no idea. The part of me that
doesn't want to die lives entirely within the defintion of ego, which spins
around in a little survival game like a racecar at Daytona. The part that
goes someplace new without ending up in the same spot is the only bit I'm
interested in.
Ow, this kid is kicking me right in the intestines. Damn I gotta shit.
alliekatt
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Dragon
"HellPopeHuey" <hellpo...@subgenius.com> wrote in message
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> > On 22 Mar 2004 11:56:08 -0800, stg-delfuego <djcamer...@yahoo.com>
> > babbled:
> >
> > > What is it about some of you (all of you almost?) that has such
> > > disdain for Christianity or Christians? Did a church leader touch you
> > > inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something about
> > > door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
> > > like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the sake
> > > of frogs, give it a fucking rest already. *NO ONE* cares what you
> > > think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to scan
> > > over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
> > > Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin' grow up already.
>
No offence intended.
What is religion doing on alt.humor?
nu-monet v6.0
>
> No offence intended.
> What is religion doing on alt.humor?
If you need to ask that, you need more humor.
--
Rev. nu-monet
Founder and High Priest
Church of Kali, U.S.A. (Reformed)
wbarwell
> What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
> disdain for Christianity or Christians?
Christianity is idiocy.
Anybody with brain should be able to read the 4 gospels and twig
to the fact its all nonsense beforehitting John.
If teh goddamned fanatics wouls stay out of our face, it wouldn't e a
problem, but teh assholes are everywhere running their filthy paws over
everything is sight, blight all they touch.
Anti-intellectualism anti-evolution, anti-science, prop far right wing all
too often Homophobic, misogynistic, angry white male Limbaugh swilling
shitheads.
Did a church leader touch you
> inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something about
> door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
> like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the sake
> of frogs, give it a fucking rest already.
When the anti-evolutionist, anti-science, anti-vaccine, anti-flouride,
anti-thinking, anti-anything-left-of-Hitler Christian right goes far, far
far away, we will be a lot less dispepsic.
*NOONE* cares what you
> think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to scan
> over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
> Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin grow up already.
With Bush and Ashcroft and assholes like that trying to hand
over our government to far right religous fanatics, we have to care.
Christians are far too often overbearing, relentless pests.
--
"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun
in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to
Canada. So I chose to better myself and learn to fly airplanes."
- George W. Bush May 1984 to the Houston Chronicle
Cheerful Charlie
Dragon
"nu-monet v6.0" <not...@succeeds.com> wrote in message
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Apart from the fact that the bible as we know it is a joke..........
Plonk the thread!
nu-monet v6.0
>
> "nu-monet v6.0" <not...@succeeds.com> wrote in message
> news:405F9A...@succeeds.com...
> > Dragon wrote:
> > >
> > > No offence intended.
> > > What is religion doing on alt.humor?
> >
> > If you need to ask that, you need more humor.
> >
>
> joke..........
> Plonk the thread!
Okay, so TWO people at alt.humor have no sense of humor.
Is that endemic? Is alt.humor a self-help group like
alt.alcoholics-anonymous or alt.masturbator.compulsive?
--
Fukem if not jokay toke.
-- nu-monet
Joe Cosby
What, that's funny?
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
Hell, they ought to charge the SHEEP with bestiality.
stg-delfuego
I really am saddened by you. At least #3 and #8 posters had fairly
intelligent replys. FWIW, no, I will *NOT* shut up. I can accept a
couple things. One, not everyone has to believe what others believe.
Two, "recruiters" can be fairly inconvenient at times. Since I am not
pushing anything in the area of religion on you (minimal at least),
and since this was a convenient time, you just seem hostile. Is
anything wrong?
Joe Cosby
"Hi, my name is Bill, and I'm a chronic giggler"
"HI BILL!"
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
HEAL THE TURTLES!
Joe Cosby
<wbar...@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
>Anti-intellectualism anti-evolution, anti-science, prop far right wing all
>too often Homophobic, misogynistic, angry white male Limbaugh swilling
>shitheads.
homerphobic?
They don't like Homer?
Dunter Powries
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> "ghost" <gh...@ghost.net> wrote in message
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> > "stg-delfuego" <djcamer...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:6b28e43f.04032...@posting.google.com...
> > > What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
> > > disdain for Christianity or Christians? (snip)
> >
> > Because SHUT UP.
>
> I really am saddened by you. At least #3 and #8 posters had fairly
> intelligent replys. FWIW, no, I will *NOT* shut up. I can accept a
> couple things. One, not everyone has to believe what others believe.
> Two, "recruiters" can be fairly inconvenient at times. Since I am not
> pushing anything in the area of religion on you (minimal at least),
> and since this was a convenient time, you just seem hostile. Is
> anything wrong?
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
ghost
"stg-delfuego" <djcamer...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "ghost" <gh...@ghost.net> wrote:
> > Because SHUT UP.
>
> I really am saddened by you. At least #3 and #8 posters had fairly
> intelligent replys. FWIW, no, I will *NOT* shut up. I can accept a
> couple things. One, not everyone has to believe what others believe.
> Two, "recruiters" can be fairly inconvenient at times. Since I am not
> pushing anything in the area of religion on you (minimal at least),
> and since this was a convenient time, you just seem hostile. Is
> anything wrong?
These are Church matters of which you are apparently ignorant.
First, SHUT UP. This we say in honor of one of the younger Elders of the
Church, He Whose Name Shall Not Be Mentioned In Polite Company. Its origin
is thought to be based on the lost writings of Saint Ring Lardner Jr.
(http://tinyurl.com/3h58t) At any time this sacred phrase may be invoked,
and in fact is often used as a greeting.
Second, the unfettered use of ALL CAPS has been granted to us by the Scribe
for ALL TIME.
Now, onto the question regarding the ridicule of Christians and Christian
beliefs.
Why do I do this?
A. It's fun.
B. It's easy.
C. Being fun AND easy, it's easy to be funny about it.
D. A lot of the posters to alt.slack are VERY funny.
E. Humor is a potent political weapon.
Now, SHUT UP.
nenslo
SHUT UP is the most intelligent reply possible. And "no, I will *NOT*
shut up" is the stupidest possible response. What's wrong is that you
got an answer to your question and didn't like what you got. You get
what you get and you can feel any way you want to about it. The way you
want to feel about it shows what kind of person you are. I this case,
querulous and impermeable.
nenslo
>
> First, SHUT UP.
> is thought to be based on the lost writings of Saint Ring Lardner Jr.
> (http://tinyurl.com/3h58t)
You are the first to realize this. I hereby declare you Clemo Uti (The Waterlilies).
nenslo
> ... the most
> miraculous thing of all is faith itself. It is a fucking miracle that
> people can believe such utter bullshit.
>
Today, little Ivan, you have earned your $30.
Joe Cosby
Save the whales what?
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
"Actually, I ~ ;this may sound a little West Texan to you, but I like it.
When I'm talking about ~ ;when I'm talking about myself, and when
he's talking about myself, all of us are talking about me."
- George W Bush, Hardball, MSNBC, May 31, 2000
wbarwell
How can you have humor without religion to rag on?
wbarwell
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:19:30 -0500, wbarwell
> <wbar...@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
>
>>Anti-intellectualism anti-evolution, anti-science, prop far right wing all
>>too often Homophobic, misogynistic, angry white male Limbaugh swilling
>>shitheads.
>
> homerphobic?
>
> They don't like Homer?
>
Homophobic.
"Jebus!" - Homer Simpson.
They probably don't like Homer either.
wbarwell
> "ghost" <gh...@ghost.net> wrote in message
> news:<y0K7c.7357$tY6.2...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>> "stg-delfuego" <djcamer...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:6b28e43f.04032...@posting.google.com...
>> > What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
>> > disdain for Christianity or Christians? (snip)
>>
>> Because SHUT UP.
>
> I really am saddened by you.
In alt.slack "SHUT UP!" is a running joke.
Just though you ought to know.
At least #3 and #8 posters had fairly
> intelligent replys. FWIW, no, I will *NOT* shut up. I can accept a
> couple things. One, not everyone has to believe what others believe.
> Two, "recruiters" can be fairly inconvenient at times. Since I am not
> pushing anything in the area of religion on you (minimal at least),
> and since this was a convenient time, you just seem hostile. Is
> anything wrong?
--
wbarwell
""Shut up!" he explained."
Rev DJ Epoch
@succeeds.com:
> stg-delfuego wrote:
>>
>> What is it about some of you (all fo you
>> almost?) that has such disdain for
>> Christianity or Christians?
>
> Oh, you underestimate us. We don't have disdain
> *just* for Xtians, we have disdain for lots of
> different religions, philosophies, belief systems,
> *and* the mindlessness of those who insist they
> have none.
>
> Xtianity comes in for special consideration most
> likely because it is the predominant annoyance.
> A silly religion, really, whose permutations get
> sillier and sillier, yet whose adherents clog and
> fester every part of these United States and its
> even modestly secular organizations, pestering
> those who want no part of it. Fortunately, but
> only recently, do they use less violence then the
> Wahabbi Moslem in doing this; but memories of
> violation remain strong among we, the unwashed in
> the mythological blood of the nice Jewish Lamb.
>
> Which is not to say that Xtians cannot be brutal,
> cruel, stubbornly stupid, astoudingly arrogant,
> and politically ambitious to control and dominate
> others with their fantasies; any more than can any
> other religion or creed; it's just that they are
> the dominant group here. And that they, for the
> time being at least, have tapered off on their
> coercion and brutality, giving us an opening.
>
> It has been and is the duty of the cynic and the
> scoffer to confront true believers and those who
> use them throughout history. To sneer and fart in
> their general direction, to expose their nakedness
> despite claims of fine clothing, to stomp on their
> feet of clay, and to point out that the sound tube
> running hidden from their high priest to the mouth
> of their graven image would sound better if it had
> a reed inside so their god would make more squacky
> noises like Donald Duck.
>
> We are usually killed for our presumptuousness, but
> leave the faithful with that annoying afterthought:
>
> "Why do the heathen laugh?"
>
>
They *never* seem to have a sense of humor. And nowhere was that ever so
blatantly apparent than at the Southern Baptist Convention headquarters
in Atlanta. Back in the 80's I used to work on copiers for a living, and
one of the accounts in my territory was the SBC.
They had a "problem child" of a copier that required almost weekly
attention, and one day I'd had enough, walked in, set the tool kit down,
placed my hand on the top and said "Evil demons come OUT!" The office
secretary gave me a look that would have caused Judas to spontaneously
combust and said "You can't say that! That's BLASPHEMY!!" I just gave her
a bored look and said "Well, it's ACTING like it's posessed, and it
always works for Ernest Angley... maybe if I cleaned the optics with holy
water..."
I was told by the boss later that they said under NO curcumstances to
ever send me there again. I just gave him a grin and said "I don't know
WHY... I WAS speaking their language."
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> stg-delfuego wrote:
>
>
>>"ghost" <gh...@ghost.net> wrote in message
>>news:<y0K7c.7357$tY6.2...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>>
>>>"stg-delfuego" <djcamer...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:6b28e43f.04032...@posting.google.com...
>>>
>>>>What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
>>>>disdain for Christianity or Christians? (snip)
>>>
>>>Because SHUT UP.
>>
>>I really am saddened by you.
>
>
> In alt.slack "SHUT UP!" is a running joke.
> Just though you ought to know.
SHUT UP
--
"There is no reason to count over
1,000,000 except for money."
-- nu-monet v6.0
Joe Cosby
>They *never* seem to have a sense of humor. And nowhere was that ever so
>blatantly apparent than at the Southern Baptist Convention headquarters
>in Atlanta. Back in the 80's I used to work on copiers for a living, and
>one of the accounts in my territory was the SBC.
>
>They had a "problem child" of a copier that required almost weekly
>attention, and one day I'd had enough, walked in, set the tool kit down,
>placed my hand on the top and said "Evil demons come OUT!" The office
>secretary gave me a look that would have caused Judas to spontaneously
>combust and said "You can't say that! That's BLASPHEMY!!" I just gave her
>a bored look and said "Well, it's ACTING like it's posessed, and it
>always works for Ernest Angley... maybe if I cleaned the optics with holy
>water..."
>
>I was told by the boss later that they said under NO curcumstances to
>ever send me there again. I just gave him a grin and said "I don't know
>WHY... I WAS speaking their language."
A lack of a sense of humor is often characteristic of a lack of
self-insight. Maybe that's the funniest thing of all about
Christians, because their religion starts, really, with this Jewish
preacher who was really only saying "don't just mindlessly go through
the motions, you have to really look inside yourself".
But if you have great, gaping contradictions inside yourself then you
can't afford to look inside yourself. Because you'll FIX them and
ruin everything. And Christianity, certainly in it's modern form,
starts with an act of Orwellian double-think. "I believe even though
I don't believe". There's no theological reason not to make jokes
about demons (as long as you don't say the demon's name), the problem
is that doing so forces them to think about the double-think outside
of the hypnotic, isolated atmosphere of the tent revival where their
rational mind is shut off. In the cold light of day in mundane
settings. Where the idea seems KIND OF STUPID. Which is exactly what
they don't want to face.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
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Klyf Fenderson
<wbar...@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> babbled:
> Joe Cosby wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:19:30 -0500, wbarwell
>> <wbar...@munnnged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anti-intellectualism anti-evolution, anti-science, prop far right wing
>>> all
>>> too often Homophobic, misogynistic, angry white male Limbaugh swilling
>>> shitheads.
>>
>> homerphobic?
>>
>> They don't like Homer?
>>
> Homophobic.
>
> "Jebus!" - Homer Simpson.
> They probably don't like Homer either.
Consider how Homer treats Ned Flanders.
--
Rev. Klyf S²³-M257 the Not-Quite-Sane Fenderson
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uncertainty."
--Vroomfondel
Rev. Ivan Stang
wrote:
Thank you very much. I am so glad that somebody is still reading
closely enough to notice stuff like that. Honest to god, I was ready
for a few posts from the agitated skimmers going "HAW HAW, Stang's gone
all soft, trying to placate Right Wing Christians and Evil Republicans
now."
That particular line pooped out of my mouth during a radio show last
Sunday. Actually pretty much ALL my good lines, such as they are, come
during live radio shows. As you have no doubt observed, if I'm sitting
here calmly signifying on alt.slack, I'm just not all that swuft. If
nobody's looking at me in real-time I'm dull and stupid. Only when the
red light goes on and I know somebody's out there waiting for me to
fuck up does my confidence come bounding in like a train about to
crash.
Now, having said my mean thing about faith, I would also like to say
that it turns my stomach to see knee-jerk "SubGeniuses" make blanket
statements about "those stupid Christians" or "those stupid
Republicans," which might as well be just like saying "those stupid
niggers" or "those greedy Jews," or "all Muslims hate women." The mind
set is the same old "We're brilliant Us and They're dumb old Them."
Pointing out the inate dumbness of that kind of "thinking", isolating
the locii where the dumbness starts, is one of the main points of
several satirical put-on religions that I can think of. And wouldn't
you know it, that MAIN POINT is the very one MOST OFTEN MISSED.
I have known PLENTY of Christians, and Republicans, and Christian
Republicans, who were smarter, funnier, kinder, and generally more
thoughtfully and practically constructive in life than MOST of the
"SubGenii" I know. MOST. I'll say it again. MOST. (A couple of these
Republican Christians ARE SubGeniuses, incidentally)
Nonetheless I too spend more mock-time mocking Christians and
Republicans myself than I do mocking other groups. Reason being, I'm an
American in the Midwest (more or less) and those happen to be the two
largest organized groups that get in my face, LATELY.
But that's bullshit too. Those groups don't get in my face. INDIVIDUALS
get in my face by getting behind dumb-fuck laws and wars and such that
affect me or my pals.
So, while I think it's dumb to be a Christian, or a Republican, or a
Democrat, or an unfunny SubGenius, I think the habit of thinking in
sweeping generalizations is a more BASIC dumbness which transcends all
isms, and can make smug P.C. "Bob"-praisin' Good Pot-Smoking Liberals
into brainless fascist lynch-mob bullies IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE.
Let that be my sweeping generality.
Klyf Fenderson
<joec...@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> babbled:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:27:46 -0800, nenslo <nen...@yahoox.com> wrote:
>
>> ghost wrote:
>>>
>>> First, SHUT UP.
>>> Its origin
>>> is thought to be based on the lost writings of Saint Ring Lardner Jr.
>>> (http://tinyurl.com/3h58t)
>>
>> You are the first to realize this. I hereby declare you Clemo Uti (The
>> Waterlilies).
>
> Save the whales what?
Land Rights for Gay Muslim Pilot Whales!
--
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Collect them all!
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babbled:
HOSTILE! HOW DARE YOU FUCKING CALL US HOSTILE!
Rev. Ivan Stang
ghost <gh...@ghost.net> wrote:
> "stg-delfuego" <djcamer...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "ghost" <gh...@ghost.net> wrote:
> > > Because SHUT UP.
> >
> > I really am saddened by you. At least #3 and #8 posters had fairly
> > intelligent replys. FWIW, no, I will *NOT* shut up. I can accept a
> > couple things. One, not everyone has to believe what others believe.
> > Two, "recruiters" can be fairly inconvenient at times. Since I am not
> > pushing anything in the area of religion on you (minimal at least),
> > and since this was a convenient time, you just seem hostile. Is
> > anything wrong?
>
> These are Church matters of which you are apparently ignorant.
>
> First, SHUT UP. This we say in honor of one of the younger Elders of the
> Church, He Whose Name Shall Not Be Mentioned In Polite Company.
Uh-oh! I'm out of the loop again.
> Its origin
> is thought to be based on the lost writings of Saint Ring Lardner Jr.
> (http://tinyurl.com/3h58t) At any time this sacred phrase may be invoked,
> and in fact is often used as a greeting.
I've seen it used almost as a kind of "applause."
>
> Second, the unfettered use of ALL CAPS has been granted to us by the Scribe
> for ALL TIME.
I would love to take credit, but I must pass that honor over to the
writers, inkers and letterers of Marvel Comics.
>
> Now, onto the question regarding the ridicule of Christians and Christian
> beliefs.
>
> Why do I do this?
>
> A. It's fun.
> B. It's easy.
> C. Being fun AND easy, it's easy to be funny about it.
> D. A lot of the posters to alt.slack are VERY funny.
> E. Humor is a potent political weapon.
>
> Now, SHUT UP.
>
No, YOU shut up.
((See? It is like the music of children heard from the backseat of the
car on the way to school. A lilting melody to the SubGenius ear.))
ghost
"Rev. Ivan Stang" <st...@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote > > Second, the
unfettered use of ALL CAPS has been granted to us by the Scribe
> > for ALL TIME.
>
> I would love to take credit, but I must pass that honor over to the
> writers, inkers and letterers of Marvel Comics.
I thought it was Herbert W. Armstrong's "The World Tomorrow".
HellPopeHuey
> Ow, this kid is kicking me right in the intestines. Damn I gotta shit.
I think this statement goes a long way in answering the original
poster's query. It deals with the "why do you hate" part; it describes
the general process of religion when taken beyond the merest surface
value; and most importantly, it also shows that your offspring is, in
utero, already with the Program of being a real Yeti.
Kick early, kick often and if possible, kick the inner lid of your
coffin a bit so as to scare the crap out of the mourners who will
hopefully be at your wake, drinking up liquor whose purchase will
delay the paying of the funeral parlor bill because the place is run
by pushy, sniffing Christians who made you at least partially glad to
go in the first place. 24-32-666-999, HIKE!
--
HellPope Huey
I was an alien crossdresser for SETI, the FBI, the DAR
and the Harvey Firestein High-Kick Revue
"You're an inspiration to inbred morons everywhere."
- "King of the Hill"
Seeing a murder on television...
can help work off one's antagonisms.
And if you haven't any antagonisms,
the commercials will give you some.
- Alfred Hitchcock
Rev. Richard Skull
>
>>
>> "HellPopeHuey" <hellpo...@subgenius.com> wrote in message
>> news:8cc8cffc.04032...@posting.google.com...
>>> > On 22 Mar 2004 11:56:08 -0800, stg-delfuego <djcamer...@yahoo.com>
>>> > babbled:
>>> >
>>> > > What is it about some of you (all of you almost?) that has such
>>> > > disdain for Christianity or Christians? Did a church leader touch
>>> > > you
>>> > > inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something
>>> > > about
>>> > > door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
>>> > > like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the
>>> > > sake
>>> > > of frogs, give it a fucking rest already. *NO ONE* cares what you
>>> > > think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to
>>> > > scan over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
>>> > > Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin' grow up already.
>>>
>>
>> No offence intended.
>> What is religion doing on alt.humor?
>
>How can you have humor without religion to rag on?
>
Well, we still have Minorities and people who dress differant form us!
MSHOTZ: The Post Post Modern Man
"War hath no Fury like a non-combatants"
Charles E. Montague
Rev. Richard Skull
>>too often Homophobic, misogynistic, angry white male Limbaugh swilling
>>shitheads.
>
>homerphobic?
>
>They don't like Homer?
>
"Get ready to get Homererotic!"
Rev. Richard Skull
>always works for Ernest Angley... maybe if I cleaned the optics with holy
>water..."
AHHH! Ernest Angley! Channel 29 in Philly used to run him on Sunday
nights(before they sold thier souls to the devel and Fox)
We would watch him, then the next day in high school, we would all be "healing"
everything and everyone in sight!
"heal!!!"
I used to love the way he said "nieeeneee!"
Ad Absurdum
> SHUT UP is the most intelligent reply possible. And "no, I will *NOT*
> shut up" is the stupidest possible response.
"Head Shot!"
That's a freebased history of philosophy of religion right there.
Rev. Ivan Stang
ghost <gh...@ghost.net> wrote:
I think I've heard Dr. Drummond mention that, which might explain why
he TALKS in all-caps.
Doktor DynaSoar
wrote:
} What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
} disdain for Christianity or Christians?
They're tough and stringy and impossible to barbeque on the grill.
Cardinal Vertigo
> What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
> disdain for Christianity or Christians?
[snip crappy rant]
I AM one, so I feel I can speak with some authority on the subject:
A lot of them can't take a joke.
Rev DJ Epoch
news:20040323173902...@mb-m14.aol.com:
>>"Well, it's ACTING like it's posessed, and it
>>always works for Ernest Angley... maybe if I cleaned the optics with
>>holy water..."
>
> AHHH! Ernest Angley! Channel 29 in Philly used to run him on Sunday
> nights(before they sold thier souls to the devel and Fox)
>
> We would watch him, then the next day in high school, we would all be
> "healing" everything and everyone in sight!
>
> "heal!!!"
>
> I used to love the way he said "nieeeneee!"
>
>
And that toupe' gave him such an image of revernedness... it was always a
joy to watch him smack some poor Gomer on the head, yell "HEEEAL!" and
watch the toup flop ever so slightly resisting the inertia imposed by his
gyrations.
--
stg-delfuego
> stg-delfuego wrote:
> >
> > What is it about some of you (all fo you
> > almost?) that has such disdain for
> > Christianity or Christians?
>
> *just* for Xtians, we have disdain for lots of
> different religions, philosophies, belief systems,
> *and* the mindlessness of those who insist they
> have none.
>
and it is nice to think that one group isn't singled out for abuse.
Not all Christians expect themselves to be a carbon copy of Jesus, and
not all Christians deserve hatred simply for being Chrisitan. If I
were to take Al Queida as being reperesentative of all of Islam, I
would have a grave problem with Islam in general then.
> Xtianity comes in for special consideration most
> likely because it is the predominant annoyance.
> A silly religion, really, whose permutations get
> sillier and sillier, yet whose adherents clog and
> fester every part of these United States and its
> even modestly secular organizations, pestering
> those who want no part of it. Fortunately, but
> only recently, do they use less violence then the
> Wahabbi Moslem in doing this; but memories of
> violation remain strong among we, the unwashed in
> the mythological blood of the nice Jewish Lamb.
>
> Which is not to say that Xtians cannot be brutal,
> cruel, stubbornly stupid, astoudingly arrogant,
> and politically ambitious to control and dominate
> others with their fantasies; any more than can any
> other religion or creed; it's just that they are
> the dominant group here. And that they, for the
religious group of the world. Of course, since this chart I am
looking at was written, some figures might have changed -- most
notably the rise in followers of Islam and Neopagan religions.
> time being at least, have tapered off on their
> coercion and brutality, giving us an opening.
>
> It has been and is the duty of the cynic and the
> scoffer to confront true believers and those who
> use them throughout history. To sneer and fart in
> their general direction, to expose their nakedness
> despite claims of fine clothing, to stomp on their
> feet of clay, and to point out that the sound tube
> running hidden from their high priest to the mouth
> of their graven image would sound better if it had
> a reed inside so their god would make more squacky
> noises like Donald Duck.
>
> We are usually killed for our presumptuousness, but
> leave the faithful with that annoying afterthought:
>
> "Why do the heathen laugh?"
Well, thank you for the thoughtful response. If it appears I am
trying to convert people, that is not my purpose here, just trying to
say one is not equal to all, and it goes that way in all directions,
despite what some may think.
Thanks again.
stg-delfuego
>
> >What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
> >inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something about
> >door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
> >like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the sake
> >think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to scan
> >over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
> >Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin grow up already.
>
>
> Pilate was the Lee Harvey Oswald of his time.
You are saying that The Church of the Subgenius killed Jesus? Are we
talking about the Christ, because we may need to inform Mel Gibson on
this.
>
> --
> Joe Cosby
> http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
> Suppose nothing else were "given" as real except our world of desires and passions, and we could not
> get down, or up, to any other "reality" besides the reality of our drives--for thinking is merely a relation of
> these drives to each other: is it not permitted to make the experiment and to ask the question whether
> this "given" would not be sufficient for also understanding on the basis of this kind of thing the so-called
> mechanistic (or "material") world?...
>
> Suppose, finally, we succeeded in explaining our entire instinctive life as the development and
> ramification of one basic form of the will--namely, of the will to power, as my proposition has it... then one
> would have gained the right to determine all efficient force univocally as--will to power.
>
> The world viewed from inside... it would be "will to power" and nothing else.
>
> from Beyond Good and Evil, s.36, Walter Kaufmann transl.
stg-delfuego
> "stg-delfuego" <djcamer...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6b28e43f.04032...@posting.google.com...
>
> Because SHUT UP.
hey there, yourself.
stg-delfuego
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:08:56 -0800, nenslo <nen...@yahoox.com> babbled:
>
> > stg-delfuego wrote:
> >>
> >> What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
> >> inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something about
> >> door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
> >> like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the sake
> >> of frogs, give it a fucking rest already. *NOONE* cares what you
> >> think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to scan
> >> over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
> >> Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin grow up already.
> >
> > SHUT UP.
> > But the answer is that every religion, EVERY religion, makes sense to
> > those who believe in it and looks pathetic and stupid to those who
> > don't. You moron.
>
> Well, I prefer religions that don't make sense to those that believe in
> 'em either. Damned if I want a religion for the slack-jawed mouth
> breathing SHEEP-like masses that need to be told what to think, becuase
> they're incapable of independent thought. It says something that
> Christianity refers to it's followers as sheep. Stupid animals, easily
> lost, and fair game for any of a number of predators.
Lamb does make for tasty Gyros, I will admit - although stupid, sheep
are also fairly loyal animals, and provide wool for everyone to wear.
This does not mean that you are entitled to cut off legs of "Xtians"
at will, not shave their body hair at will. That may indicate
possible mental illness on your part.
Joe Cosby
<jho...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>stg-delfuego wrote:
>
>> What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
>> disdain for Christianity or Christians?
>[snip crappy rant]
>
>I AM one, so I feel I can speak with some authority on the subject:
>
>A lot of them can't take a joke.
And they get all mad if you try to fuck them.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
"My energies are much better spent teaching people to eat pork than teaching
pigs to be civilized."
- (Dr K. "Cortez" Legume)
Rev. Ivan Stang
Epoch <nuny...@noway.com> wrote:
> msh...@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull) wrote in
> news:20040323173902...@mb-m14.aol.com:
>
> >>"Well, it's ACTING like it's posessed, and it
> >>always works for Ernest Angley... maybe if I cleaned the optics with
> >>holy water..."
> >
> > AHHH! Ernest Angley! Channel 29 in Philly used to run him on Sunday
> > nights(before they sold thier souls to the devel and Fox)
> >
> > We would watch him, then the next day in high school, we would all be
> > "healing" everything and everyone in sight!
> >
> > "heal!!!"
> >
> > I used to love the way he said "nieeeneee!"
> >
> >
>
> And that toupe' gave him such an image of revernedness... it was always a
> joy to watch him smack some poor Gomer on the head, yell "HEEEAL!" and
> watch the toup flop ever so slightly resisting the inertia imposed by his
> gyrations.
He's still going strong on Ohio TV, still getting deaf kids to say the
word "Baby." His strange fey mannerisms are creepier than ever, if
that's possible.
Rev DJ Epoch
news:220320042022236116%st...@subgeniusNOSPUM.com:
> In article <6b28e43f.04032...@posting.google.com>,
> stg-delfuego <djcamer...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
>> disdain for Christianity or Christians? Did a church leader touch you
>> inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something about
>> door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
>> like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the sake
>> of frogs, give it a fucking rest already. *NOONE* cares what you
>> think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to scan
>> over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
>> Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin grow up already.
>
> If you guys would switch to little statues of the Virgin Mary hanging
> on a cross in just her drawers, or, better, pole dancing, *I* for one
> might be a little more into it. You can't fool me, eternity is just a
> fairy tale that some mathematicians dreamed up to freak out little kids
> and stoners.
>
> But to stop being facetious. With all due respect, you just
> BALD-FACEDLY asked SubGenii to answer something about RELIGION without
> even ATTEMPTING humor; what else CAN you expect?
>
> That said, I will attempt to answer your question quite seriously and
> without sarcasm.
>
> I am not like some of my less tolerant or broad-minded fellow SubGenii.
> You are right, many of them are angry. I have a certain sympathy for
> believers, myself. I was raised in a family that could best be
> described as secular humanist, and was taught comparative religion from
> that standpoint, and perhaps because of that I don't have a personal
> bone to pick with any religion especially. I find the entire sweep of
> human belief to be fascinating, and I don't mean from a Spock-like,
> logical perspective, either. I have believed in many miraculous things
> in my day.
>
> And I still believe in miracles. Miracles are all around us. Some will
> be surprised that I would say that. But yes, I truly believe that
> supernatural miracles happen all around us constantly. And the most
> miraculous thing of all is faith itself. It is a fucking miracle that
> people can believe such utter bullshit.
>
> And yet that hogwash and flim-flam brings millions deep, much needed
> comfort and succor -- real help and calm, in a world full of
> uncertainty and hardship. Yes, faith itself proves there are miracles.
> It is the most fantastic miracle of all.
>
I saw a number of instances of "faith" providing comfort to people going
through periods of personal upheaval. Back in the mid 90's we had a
tornado come through Atlanta north of town. I have been active with Civil
Air Patrol and we are usually called out to assist the Red Cross and
local counties when they have something major come through.
We were sent into one area that almost looked like it was carpet bombed.
People wandering, picking through the damage trying to find keepsakes and
personal items, some crying, some just sitting in the middle of the
rubble in shock. And in the middle of all this was a family - Dad, Mom
and two sisters, scratched up and bruised but otherwise apparently
alright - moving among the others with a cooler full of water, two bags
full of cookies and crackers and some bandaging supplies. Their house had
the front wall ripped off but it appears to have remained fairly intact,
yet instead of scuttling over their own items they were walking down the
street tending to others who were injured or hysterical, giving them a
drink or something to snack on until the Red Cross could get there with
the canteen truck and begin moving people out to a shelter.
One of my team asked them why instead of taking care of themselves and
their own property they were out there tending to the others on the
street. The mom looked at him and said "Because Jesus said to love and
treat our neighbors as we would want to be loved and treated ourselves,
and they are in more need than we are right now."
I met this same family later on at the high school where the shelter had
been set up. The two sisters has set up a play area for the kids and Mom
and Dad were helping the Red Cross volunteers set up cots and make sure
everyone had blankets. Later they were sitting together saying some
prayers and reading from the Bible, and people started comeing over to
sit with them and listen and pray. People that had been sitting alone and
crying began to join the group and focus on some of the words of faith.
Everyone seemed to feed on the belief that "God will give us the strength
to get through this."
Yeah, alot of what the preachers spout is bulldada in my mind, and the
jury's still out on the proof of the existance of "a Supreme Being", but
I have seen the concept of "faith" bring a group of people together who
basically never interacted before, and help them help each other through
a mentally catastrophic situation by having faith that a higher power
would give them the strength to do so.
Your're absofragginlutely right Stang, this is a miracle to see "faith"
in action.
Joe Cosby
wrote:
>Joe Cosby <joec...@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote in message news:<29nu50hfc6q3iogcj...@4ax.com>...
>> On 22 Mar 2004 11:56:08 -0800, djcamer...@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
>> >disdain for Christianity or Christians? Did a church leader touch you
>> >inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something about
>> >door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
>> >like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the sake
>> >of frogs, give it a fucking rest already. *NOONE* cares what you
>> >think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to scan
>> >over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
>> >Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin grow up already.
>>
>> Because we killed Christ.
>>
>> Pilate was the Lee Harvey Oswald of his time.
>
>You are saying that The Church of the Subgenius killed Jesus? Are we
>talking about the Christ, because we may need to inform Mel Gibson on
>this.
Oh you'll never see our hand that clearly revealed. We operate BEHIND
the scenes, like refrigerator repairmen.
But EVIL refrigerator repairmen. SUBTLE refrigerator repairmen.
Ensuring that all the leftovers spoil at JUST THE RIGHT MOMENT. When
the disciples are all ready for dinner, and hungry.
Don't you get it? In the original bible, it WASN'T JESUS who said all
that stuff about eating his flesh and drinking his blood. It was the
disciples. The early catholics thought it was some subtle,
transcendental message so they "clarified" it by putting it in Jesus'
mouth. But it wasn't a message at all. They were HUNGRY.
You look at a refrigerator repairman and all you see is a toolbelt and
a plumber's crack. I look at him and see SATAN HIMSELF.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
"The penalty that good men pay for not being interested in politics is to be
governed by men worse than themselves." -Plato
wbarwell
> wbarwell wrote:
>> stg-delfuego wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"ghost" <gh...@ghost.net> wrote in message
>>>news:<y0K7c.7357$tY6.2...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>>>
>>>>"stg-delfuego" <djcamer...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:6b28e43f.04032...@posting.google.com...
>>>>
>>>>>What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
>>>>>disdain for Christianity or Christians? (snip)
>>>>
>>>>Because SHUT UP.
>>>
>>>I really am saddened by you.
>>
>>
>> In alt.slack "SHUT UP!" is a running joke.
>> Just though you ought to know.
>
> SHUT UP
>
See!
Shut uppa you mouf!
--
"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun
in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to
Canada. So I chose to better myself and learn to fly airplanes."
- George W. Bush May 1984 to the Houston Chronicle
Cheerful Charlie
nu-monet v6.0
>
> ...I need to say at this point that Christianity
By what measure?
Xtianity dominates other religions by sheer numbers
of followers, almost 33% of the total:
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
Xtianity dominates by who its adherents are, the
countries where they live being economically and
culturally dominant over the rest of the world,
and Xtians as a whole having far more wealth per
capita.
Xtianity also dominates the cultural traditions of
western civilization; to the point where it is so
interwoven with secular culture that most people
are unaware that its traditions are not secular.
The *issues* and mores established in western
civilization are then foisted on cultures that are
ultimately puzzled as to why?, not understanding
the Xtian morality or doctrinal underpinnings.
Xtianity directly influences this US administration,
and broad sections of the US congress.
Xtians, I might add, quickly jump on any affront to
claim they are persecuted, and that their religious
rights are being oppressed. While not unique to
Xtianity, Xtianity *should* have evolved beyond it.
Insistence on secularism in government by religious
minorities does *not* oppress Xtians, for example.
Not being able to force other people's children to
pray in school is NOT being oppressed.
Being prevented from proselytizing, loudly, non-
believers, though a tenent of their faith, is ALSO
not oppressive; any more than preventing a Gypsy
from stealing is racist, though it is a cultural
and traditional prerogative according to some of
them. (A Xtian-based prerogative, I should add.)
Even recently, the Catholic Pope still tried to get
the EU to officially recognize Xtianity as having
a special place in their affairs of state in the
EU. (They are not interested in restoring anything
resembling the ruthless and pervasive Catholic and
Protestant power structures of the past.)
So, in toto, Xtians should be able to take ANYTHING
that is dished out against them by historians and
other cynics, scoffers and disbelievers. In fact,
karmically speaking, they have viciously abused
everyone under their sway for the better part of
2000 years, so HAVE NO RIGHT to expect any courtesy
WHATSOEVER from ANYONE else.
In fact, it speaks highly of the critics of the
Xtians and Xtianity, that with the exception of the
communists, no one has called for Xtianity to be
outlawed as a curse and a blight on mankind, for
which exists a strong case could be made.
--
Trust No One.
Always Look To The Skies.
The Truth Is Not There.
-- nu-monet
Rev DJ Epoch
> In article <Xns94B5CB335EFBE...@129.250.170.90>, Rev DJ
> Epoch <nuny...@noway.com> wrote:
>
>> msh...@aol.commonkeypo (Rev. Richard Skull) wrote in
>> news:20040323173902...@mb-m14.aol.com:
>>
>> >>"Well, it's ACTING like it's posessed, and it
>> >>always works for Ernest Angley... maybe if I cleaned the optics
>> >>with holy water..."
>> >
>> > AHHH! Ernest Angley! Channel 29 in Philly used to run him on Sunday
>> > nights(before they sold thier souls to the devel and Fox)
>> >
>> > We would watch him, then the next day in high school, we would all
>> > be "healing" everything and everyone in sight!
>> >
>> > "heal!!!"
>> >
>> > I used to love the way he said "nieeeneee!"
>> >
>> >
>>
>> And that toupe' gave him such an image of revernedness... it was
>> always a joy to watch him smack some poor Gomer on the head, yell
>> "HEEEAL!" and watch the toup flop ever so slightly resisting the
>> inertia imposed by his gyrations.
>
> He's still going strong on Ohio TV, still getting deaf kids to say the
> word "Baby." His strange fey mannerisms are creepier than ever, if
> that's possible.
>
Oh, the ma was definitly good theatre, so much so others have posted on
the web their experiences at his crusades. Here's a goodie:
Excerptd from - http://infoest.sbc.edu/webpages/nat/stories/angley.html
--------------------------------------------------------------------
He prepared to heal a deaf man, whose arms were lifted. Ernest put a
finger into each of the man's ears and vibrated his hands, saying "Thou
foul deaf spirits, COME OUT!" Ernest yanked his hands away from the man's
head. Then he placed his right palm on the man's forehead and gave him
the blessing blast that knocked him backwards. He was caught by the
ushers and lowered to the floor. Like him, many others had to be gently
lowered to the floor, where they rested for awhile after their healings.
Eventually they would be helped up and they returned to their seats.
One woman in a wheelchair could not stand up after her healing. Ernest
advised her to, "sit and let the power work." After healing a busload of
deaf people from Danville, Ernest encouraged some of them to demonstrate
their healing.
"Ah!" Ernest led off.
"Ah!" said the newly healed man.
"Men!" said Ernest.
"Baby!" said the man.
"Ah!" Ernest tried again.
"Ah!" said the newly healed man.
"Men!" said Ernest.
"Buh!" said the man.
"Baby!" Ernest tried.
"Kubep!" said the newly healed.
"Ah!" said Ernest.
"Ah!" said the healed.
"Men!"
"Kubep!"
This went on for a long time.
<snip>
Then he had all 27 people who were deaf in one ear, who had not yet come
forward, hold up a finger. Ernest was going to empower the finger by God.
He blessed the fingers and had them all insert the fingers into their
ears. "Evil spirits of the ear, COME OUT!" he bellowed. I wish you could
have been there to see 27 people yanking their fingers out of their own
ears.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Talk about "Pulling the wool over your OWN eyes!" ...err... EARS!
Klyf Fenderson
<joec...@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> babbled:
> On 23 Mar 2004 17:32:40 -0800, djcamer...@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
> wrote:
>
>> Joe Cosby <joec...@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:<29nu50hfc6q3iogcj...@4ax.com>...
>>> On 22 Mar 2004 11:56:08 -0800, djcamer...@yahoo.com (stg-delfuego)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
>>> >disdain for Christianity or Christians? Did a church leader touch you
>>> >inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something about
>>> >door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
>>> >like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the sake
>>> >of frogs, give it a fucking rest already. *NOONE* cares what you
>>> >think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to scan
>>> >over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
>>> >Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin grow up already.
>>>
>>> Because we killed Christ.
>>>
>>> Pilate was the Lee Harvey Oswald of his time.
>>
>> You are saying that The Church of the Subgenius killed Jesus? Are we
>> talking about the Christ, because we may need to inform Mel Gibson on
>> this.
>
> Oh you'll never see our hand that clearly revealed. We operate BEHIND
> the scenes, like refrigerator repairmen.
In other words, we're going to have to take your messiah back to the
shop. In fact, you may just want to consider buying a new one, because
this one, see, the compressor is starting to make some noises I don't like.
I have a brother-in-law who runs a refurb shop, I'll talk to him. He'll
cut you a deal.
--
Rev. Klyf S²³-M257 the Not-Quite-Sane Fenderson
== Reply to news2(at)klyfonline(dot)com ==
== The bla...@lycos.com is overflowing ==
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hmmmmm. I just can't seem to fit ostriches
into my personal idiom.
Klyf Fenderson
babbled:
You can't even get a set of decent car seat covers out of a Christian.
The skin just isn't thick enough to tan properly.
Rabbi Jacklyn Hyde
> What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
> disdain for Christianity or Christians? Did a church leader touch you
> inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something about
> door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
> like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the sake
> of frogs, give it a fucking rest already. *NOONE* cares what you
> think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to scan
> over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
> Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin grow up already.
Seriously answered, it's the nature of the majority of the people in
this particular newsgroup. We're equally obnoxious with each other so
I wouldn't take it personally.
Oh, and I was four years old when I was told I was going to hell for
killing Christ (being raised a nice Jewish girl, I had no idea who
Christ was and was terrified of what I had done while sleepwalking)
and saw a cross burning in my neighborhood park in suburban
Philadelphia. Not bitter against Christians as a whole, but someone
out there is teaching some really twisted take on "love thy neighbor".
--With love, the Rabbs
Rev. Richard Skull
>joy to watch him smack some poor Gomer on the head, yell "HEEEAL!" and
>watch the toup flop ever so slightly resisting the inertia imposed by his
>gyrations.
I used to like to watch his "goons" drag off those crippled old people after
Ernests kick the cructhes and walkers out form underthem!
stg-delfuego
There are, unfortunately, people who are generally ignorant morons who
profess violence to others bacuse their religions are different; all
in each others own country. Christianity has had a less than
glamorous history, true, but for every five ignorant cross-burners
there is one or two decent people who happen to believe in the
Chrisitan way of life. I must say I respect your reply regardign this
horrible event. The thing I was trying to say I guess, is that
despite horrible people and horrible events, there really is no need
to make things more horrible because you disagree with the religion of
others. If it makes any of you feel better, arw seems to have more of
a problem with "Xtianity" than you slackers.
thx
ghost
"stg-delfuego" <djcamer...@yahoo.com> wrote :
(snip)
>... but for every five ignorant cross-burners
> there is one or two decent people who happen to believe in the
> Chrisitan way of life.<
Not a very good ratio... just a little over one quarter... and except in the
most egregious cases, those two do not utter one word against the almost
constant depredations of their fellows.
For any decent word uttered by a contemporary Christian regarding other
citizens who are not Christians, I'll see you the Robertson/Falwell tirade
regarding the WTC attack (in which my down-the-hall neighbor and raise you a
"God Hates Fags" sign.
In "The Passion" debate, a survey was taken that asked Christians whether or
not they believed that Jews living today bore any responsibility for the
death of Christ. 87% percent said no... and before you say "see, this
proves...", note that THIRTEEN PERCENT of Christians say, yes, they did
believe that Jews living today bore responsibility for the death of Christ.
If upwards of 200 million Americans consider themselves practicing
Christians, that means that there are around 26 million screaming loony
anti-Jewish Christians out there... unfortunately, I've done enough research
to have a hideous idea of what ELSE they believe.
I don't even want to start on the atheist thing. They (the Christians) are
working serious evil shit there.
You wrote:
>despite horrible people and horrible events, there really is no need to
make things more horrible because you disagree with the religion of others.<
We didn't make it horrible. Christians are making it horrible and are intent
on making it horribler.
We ain't done jack shit. We aren't shooting doctors, banning "To Kill a
Mockingbird", covering up the titties on the scultpures in Justice
Department, putting up monuments claiming a Wyoming gay who was beaten to
death "died for his sins", denying medical coverage for reproductive
rights... more more
Dunter Powries
> There are, unfortunately, people who are generally ignorant morons who
As well they might! It is high time the Church of the SubGenius chartered
and sanctioned an official Defender of the Faith and, unless iceknife wants
it, I would like to apply for the job. I'm afraid I'm not a very 'general'
moron, however I can be as genuinely ignorant as the job calls for.
Dunty Porteous,
Human Sacrifice
--
NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPINACH IMPOSITION!!
"It was a just and marvelous judgement of God, that this place should be
filled with the blood of unbelievers."
-Raymond of Aguilers
HellPopeHuey
tire on the highway and this was in ARKANSAS. He didn't even try to
get me to visit his church. I guess it was in the well with the tire
iron. Okay, there's one, so there are probably some others. He didn't
even require that I squeal like a piggy as payment.
This does nothing to lessen my desire to see Pat Robertson
spontaneously combust live on camera, but let's give people their
rightful gold stars. Of course, a Satanist can change a tire, too.
--
HellPope Huey
You can't really play "Purple Haze" on a piano
"Zappa should be most proud that the PMRC
wants to put their obscene lyrics sticker
on his "Jazz From Hell"...
which is an instrumental album."
- Tony Shepps
"Have you ever heard of the Emancipation Proclamation?"
"I don't listen to hip-hop."
- "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut"
ghost
"HellPopeHuey" <hellpo...@subgenius.com> wrote in message
news:8cc8cffc.04032...@posting.google.com...
> I once had a self-indentified Christian stop and help me change a flat
> tire on the highway and this was in ARKANSAS. He didn't even try to
> get me to visit his church. I guess it was in the well with the tire
> iron. Okay, there's one, so there are probably some others. He didn't
> even require that I squeal like a piggy as payment.
> This does nothing to lessen my desire to see Pat Robertson
> spontaneously combust live on camera, but let's give people their
> rightful gold stars. Of course, a Satanist can change a tire, too.
>
This is a case where I shoulda told myself SHUT UP!
nenslo
"Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>
>... it turns my stomach to see knee-jerk "SubGeniuses" make blanket
> statements about "those stupid Christians" or "those stupid
> Republicans," which might as well be just like saying "those stupid
> niggers" or "those greedy Jews," or "all Muslims hate women." The mind
> set is the same old "We're brilliant Us and They're dumb old Them."
> Pointing out the inate dumbness of that kind of "thinking", isolating
> the locii where the dumbness starts, is one of the main points of
> several satirical put-on religions that I can think of. And wouldn't
> you know it, that MAIN POINT is the very one MOST OFTEN MISSED.
>
"Dichotomies do not exist." - Eugene A. Albright, creator of Uni-Chotometrics
HellPopeHuey
Its a good thing I have a fat ass so it will fit on one cheek; I need
to save the space on the other for a growing amount of SubGenius
indicia. X-Day 7 attendees please plan to pay $1 to read it so I can
have Pipes and aliens and similar dumb shit put on the other for X-Day
8. C'mon, baby, you know what I like! "Praise 'Bob!'," "Kill the
Pinks!," "Gimme Slack!" and other formulaic utterances that identify
you as spiritual & psycho-social food. Remember, your brain could wind
up like "Thelma & Louise," I mean WHEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!*FOOMP!!*
Joe Cosby
<st...@subgeniusNOSPUM.com> wrote:
>And I still believe in miracles. Miracles are all around us. Some will
>be surprised that I would say that. But yes, I truly believe that
>supernatural miracles happen all around us constantly. And the most
>miraculous thing of all is faith itself. It is a fucking miracle that
>people can believe such utter bullshit.
>
>And yet that hogwash and flim-flam brings millions deep, much needed
>comfort and succor -- real help and calm, in a world full of
>uncertainty and hardship. Yes, faith itself proves there are miracles.
>It is the most fantastic miracle of all.
This maybe is what bothers me most about Christians, how they abuse
the idea of "faith" and make it a synonym for "belief"; which is
accurate linguistically, but obviously has nothing to do with faith as
their supposed teacher used it.
Faith is how we create. What we believe to be true becomes true.
It's become a knee-jerk new age cliche to the point that it doesn't
mean anything, and people think of it as some form of FAIRIE MAGICK,
but it's really a fairly simple idea.
Life is chaos. We perceive an orderly world not because the world is
orderly but because our brains make it seem orderly. That's most of
what brains do, they aren't there to THINK UP great ideas, but to
FILTER OUT from the endless possibilities a coherent set of ideas. A
set of ideas which is necessarily SMALLER than reality. It's how we
keep from going crazy.
Somebody who gets called a genius or who Changes The World is usually
just somebody who filters a little LESS without going completely
insane.
By changing what we have faith in, we change the set of possibilities.
We see things and relations we didn't notice before. We see a
DIFFERENT WORLD.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
They'll take my nudity when they pry it out of my cold dead fingers.
Rev. Ivan Stang
Joe Cosby
<joec...@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com> wrote:
>Somebody who gets called a genius or who Changes The World is usually
>just somebody who filters a little LESS without going completely
>insane.
See what I mean?
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
"There are two kinds of people in this world: those who like movies in
which the witch takes off her head and throws it at you, and those who
don't."
HellPopeHuey
--
HellPope Huey
"Could you please state that in the form of gibberish?"
"I fed my Anger Monkey a banana this morning
and he's a lot better now."
- "Anger Management"
Its a Fake thing and the Chosen all embrace its Goofiness.
- Rev. KrustyMADfaker
Ad Absurdum
> What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
> disdain for Christianity or Christians? Did a church leader touch you
> inappropriately when you were trying to conform? Have something about
> door-to-door witnesses that stuck a pole up your ass? I mean, not
> like I really give a fuck where *YOU* spend eternity, but for the sake
> of frogs, give it a fucking rest already. *NOONE* cares what you
> think of Christians, except for readers like myself which have to scan
> over *dozens to hundreds* of posts with someone whining about
> Christians, and using CAPS LOCK at will. Fuckin grow up already.
Lots and lots of Christians are dangerously stupid, that's obvious.
I think this newsgroup is more inclined to be specifically 'disdainful' because many
of them actually KNOW (without needing to be told), why half of the parables in
Matthew are about money, and it's difficult to disguise knowing who the joke is on.
Rev DJ Epoch
news:8cc8cffc.0403...@posting.google.com:
> nenslo <nen...@yahoox.com> wrote in message
> news:<406340E5...@yahoox.com>...
>
>> TATTOO THIS ON YOUR STUPID FUCKING BRAINS ALL YOU GODDAMN JACKASSES.
>>
>> "Rev. Ivan Stang" wrote:
>> >... it turns my stomach to see knee-jerk "SubGeniuses" make blanket
>> > statements about "those stupid Christians" or "those stupid
>> > Republicans," which might as well be just like saying "those stupid
>> > niggers" or "those greedy Jews," or "all Muslims hate women." The
>> > mind set is the same old "We're brilliant Us and They're dumb old
>> > Them." Pointing out the inate dumbness of that kind of "thinking",
>> > isolating the locii where the dumbness starts, is one of the main
>> > points of several satirical put-on religions that I can think of.
>> > And wouldn't you know it, that MAIN POINT is the very one MOST
>> > OFTEN MISSED.
>
> Its a good thing I have a fat ass so it will fit on one cheek; I need
> to save the space on the other for a growing amount of SubGenius
> indicia. X-Day 7 attendees please plan to pay $1 to read it so I can
> have Pipes and aliens and similar dumb shit put on the other for X-Day
> 8. C'mon, baby, you know what I like! "Praise 'Bob!'," "Kill the
> Pinks!," "Gimme Slack!" and other formulaic utterances that identify
> you as spiritual & psycho-social food. Remember, your brain could wind
> up like "Thelma & Louise," I mean WHEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!*FOOMP!!*
>
Sheesh. You people are all alike.
--
Joe Cosby
wrote:
>If it makes any of you feel better, arw seems to have more of
>a problem with "Xtianity" than you slackers.
>thx
Having a problem seems to be what arw is all about.
What is Wicca, anyway? It's not quite a religion because everybody in
it is far too enlightened and modern to have a religion. But
apparently just not quite enlightened and modern enough not to. It's
not quite a real form of mysticism or transcendentalism, as far as I
can tell most Wiccans just don't have the focus or tenacity for real
yogic/meditative practice. But that doesn't stop them from throwing
around half-digested gobs of mystical-sounding cliche to make
themselves seem mysterious and wise.
It isn't quite a system of morality. It has enough "rules" to allow
Wiccans to take a holier-than-thou attitude about things like "an' it
harm none, do what thou wilt" (one thing in common between Wiccans and
Christians is they seem to think that if something is said in archaic
English, it's more wise than if it were said in modern English) but
they all seem to have their own particular take on what that means,
EXACTLY, which allows them to violate the rule whenever it suits them.
Wiccans on arw seem to do nothing but try to destroy anybody who
annoys them verbally and the only thing that stops them is their lack
of ability to do so (beside the unlikelihood of destroying somebody by
saying mean things to them on Usenet in the first place).
I guess if you really get tired of people slagging on Christians just
get them slagging on somebody else, Wiccans or Scientologists or
something. At least that way you can be on the same side.
Personally I've been part of enough groups like that that I don't
think any of them are beyond attack. Even the groups of people who
are devoted to nothing but attacking other groups of people for being
in a stupid group. ESPECIALLY them. They tend to be the lamest of
them all.
To me personally the bottom line is that any group is going to be
dominated by people who are the worst examplars of what the group is
about. I don't think it matters what group you're in. Me personally
I find all the best of each group to be about the same. And all the
worst to be about the same. If I'm anything, I'm an Elitist. An
Elitian. Which is an untenable thing for a supposed subgenius.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
"TO AVOID DANGER OF SUFFOCATION KEEP AWAY FROM BABIES!"
Ad Absurdum
> Elitian. Which is an untenable thing for a supposed subgenius.
You think so?? I don't know, Joe, the SubGenius always seemed like
a real MASTER morality to me. Seems like that basic 'Elitian'
consciousness is the prerequisite for a proper rant.
stg-delfuego
hit post. Anyway, here is a second try on this.
"ghost" <gh...@ghost.net> wrote in message news:<87w8c.17170$tY6.5...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> "stg-delfuego" <djcamer...@yahoo.com> wrote :
>
> (snip)
>
> >... but for every five ignorant cross-burners
> > there is one or two decent people who happen to believe in the
> > Chrisitan way of life.<
>
> Not a very good ratio... just a little over one quarter... and except in the
> most egregious cases, those two do not utter one word against the almost
> constant depredations of their fellows.
Well, I can't control their brains, I can simply tell them what I
think, regardless of whether or not they choose to accept my words to
them.
>
> For any decent word uttered by a contemporary Christian regarding other
> citizens who are not Christians, I'll see you the Robertson/Falwell tirade
> regarding the WTC attack (in which my down-the-hall neighbor and raise you a
> "God Hates Fags" sign.
Here we go. There is a difference between a televangelist and an
ordinary church-goer just as there is between a politician and an
ordianry voter. The idea of comparing the WTC bombers to the whole of
the followers of Islam as just as ignorant as a cross-burner. In
every religion there are some jerks who don't understand the message
even when spelled out just as clear as plain gelatin: love your
neighbor as yourself. Not that it is always done or is always easy,
but the main point is to try. I am not going to be a hypocrite and
say that I am always loving and forgiving. But, every day I generally
start out the day to be so, and then inevitably someone pisses me the
fuck off. However, I try to get past it. Now, regarding the "God
Hates Fags" people - I don't understand the mentality of doing it, not
that I am entirely fond of homosexuals personally - again, a general
display of ignorance. Maybe we are as people generally ignorant until
somehow we arte made to see things differently.
>
> In "The Passion" debate, a survey was taken that asked Christians whether or
> not they believed that Jews living today bore any responsibility for the
> death of Christ. 87% percent said no... and before you say "see, this
> proves...", note that THIRTEEN PERCENT of Christians say, yes, they did
> believe that Jews living today bore responsibility for the death of Christ.
> If upwards of 200 million Americans consider themselves practicing
> Christians, that means that there are around 26 million screaming loony
> anti-Jewish Christians out there... unfortunately, I've done enough research
> to have a hideous idea of what ELSE they believe.
Even as a Christian, this happened two thousand years ago -- who
fucking cares who made the inevitable decision to crucify him? Of
course I know, and I don't believe it was solely based on a *small
percentage of jewish people at that time, as well as roman people at
that time*, it was inevitably a choice of whoever. BUT, the point is
that he rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. Whether or not you
want to believe this, it is what an ordinary Christian is taught to
believe. There are, even, people who are jewish by genetics or
culture or whatnot that than become Christians. And these people are
pretty cool when I've talked with them (the small amount of Jews for
Jesus people that I've met). I cringe when I hear a "Christian"
proclaim "the jews killed Jesus". I don't believe it. The last one I
heard say this was a Manic-depressive asian person.
> I don't even want to start on the atheist thing. They (the Christians) are
> working serious evil shit there.
Why is there such an issue with atheists? A buch of whiny pussies
pissed off at the mere mention of the word "God". You know what I was
generally thinking about as a kid when I was made to say the Pledge of
Allegiance or Star Spangled Banner in school? Comic books, the cute
girl in front of me, or
what-a-nice-day-it-is-outside-and-oh-how-I-wish-recess-was-sooner.
And my parents had other things to worry about other than hearing me
say the word God in school or Cub Scouts or whatever. Tough shit, if
a kid -- your kid -- of an atheist is going to say God, what about it?
If it simply an issue about Church and State then I can see it. But
to bitch at the idea of your kid saying god at school, get over it.
You are just as bad banning your kid from saying it or believing in it
as a "Christian" is banning books.
> You wrote:
> >despite horrible people and horrible events, there really is no need to
> make things more horrible because you disagree with the religion of others.<
>
> We didn't make it horrible. Christians are making it horrible and are intent
> on making it horribler.
How am I making things in the world more horrible? I am planning on
organizing a clean-up in trash in my city. IU think it will make the
world (or local area) more beautiful and healthy than horrible.
> We ain't done jack shit. We aren't shooting doctors, banning "To Kill a
> Mockingbird", covering up the titties on the scultpures in Justice
> Department, putting up monuments claiming a Wyoming gay who was beaten to
> death "died for his sins", denying medical coverage for reproductive
> rights... more more
Nor have I done shit other than get offended at people trying to be
cool and shunning "Xtians", who probably haven't done shit to you
either. Find a way to reach these ignorant folk and show them how
they're acting against the bible they believe in. Do something either
than say "All Christians are horrible people believing in a horrible
religion". My Christian parents took my family to every play they
could, see every sight in America they could (on limited amounts of
vacations), let us read every book they could (however, I had more fun
reading science fiction, fantasy, or encyclopedias rather than classic
works of shit in my opinion), took us to see every work of art
possible (that is allowable for children to see. Yes, that's right,
my horrible Baptist parents. I later read Wicca and Satanist books,
among a lot of other stuff, and I have my own opinions on it.
However, when it comes down to it, I am going to believe in Jesus
Christ, no matter how simple of a person I may be for it. Have a
blessed day.
HTH
stg-delfuego
going?
> >If it makes any of you feel better, arw seems to have more of
> >a problem with "Xtianity" than you slackers.
> >thx
>
> Having a problem seems to be what arw is all about.
>
> What is Wicca, anyway? It's not quite a religion because everybody in
> it is far too enlightened and modern to have a religion. But
> apparently just not quite enlightened and modern enough not to. It's
> not quite a real form of mysticism or transcendentalism, as far as I
> can tell most Wiccans just don't have the focus or tenacity for real
> yogic/meditative practice. But that doesn't stop them from throwing
> around half-digested gobs of mystical-sounding cliche to make
> themselves seem mysterious and wise.
>
I am not really sure that it has any organization per se. I breiefly
practiced Wicca myself (I know, I sound awful raising the Christian
issue in spite of this, but it's true, I am now Christian despite my
faults). I found it generally a beautiful-sounding religion until I
realized I had to practice eight sabbaths minmum a year (yech, just
like church used to be, although less), but then got wrapped up in the
power over religion thing and quit practicing it. I must say, a few
interesting things happened when I practiced it, but true .. there is
definitely and advantage to being lazy in it, but still sound hip when
talking to others about it.
> It isn't quite a system of morality. It has enough "rules" to allow
> Wiccans to take a holier-than-thou attitude about things like "an' it
> harm none, do what thou wilt" (one thing in common between Wiccans and
> Christians is they seem to think that if something is said in archaic
> English, it's more wise than if it were said in modern English) but
> they all seem to have their own particular take on what that means,
> EXACTLY, which allows them to violate the rule whenever it suits them.
> Wiccans on arw seem to do nothing but try to destroy anybody who
> annoys them verbally and the only thing that stops them is their lack
> of ability to do so (beside the unlikelihood of destroying somebody by
> saying mean things to them on Usenet in the first place).
True, but there are other things in the bible than John 3:16 and
Galations 5:14 - archaic as they may be and sound cool, I do prefer
the NIV which is modern english speak.
>
>
>
> I guess if you really get tired of people slagging on Christians just
> get them slagging on somebody else, Wiccans or Scientologists or
> something. At least that way you can be on the same side.
>
This is a novel idea, I will really consider this, maybe.
>
>
> Personally I've been part of enough groups like that that I don't
> think any of them are beyond attack. Even the groups of people who
> are devoted to nothing but attacking other groups of people for being
> in a stupid group. ESPECIALLY them. They tend to be the lamest of
> them all.
Yes, I guess the nature of usenet at certain times is to attack
everything in sight. Or at least those around you.
>
> To me personally the bottom line is that any group is going to be
> dominated by people who are the worst examplars of what the group is
> about. I don't think it matters what group you're in. Me personally
> I find all the best of each group to be about the same. And all the
> worst to be about the same. If I'm anything, I'm an Elitist. An
> Elitian. Which is an untenable thing for a supposed subgenius.
Fair enough.
Cardinal Vertigo
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:31:03 GMT, Cardinal Vertigo
> <jho...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>>stg-delfuego wrote:
>>
>>
>>>What is it about some of you (all fo you almost?) that has such
>>>disdain for Christianity or Christians?
>>
>>[snip crappy rant]
>>
>>I AM one, so I feel I can speak with some authority on the subject:
>>
>>A lot of them can't take a joke.
>
>
> And they get all mad if you try to fuck them.
Tell me about it.
--
"There is no reason to count over
1,000,000 except for money."
-- nu-monet v6.0
Chip Salzenberg
>Faith is how we create. What we believe to be true becomes true.
That's total bullshit. If you believe something is true then you
don't have to work to *make* it true. Creativity is the tension
between what is and what you wish to be, which pulls you through the
work of *making* it true. Or at least close enough so you can sleep.
Believing in fantasy as if it were reality isn't creative, it's
delusional. And there are a lot more delusional pinks than there are
delusional SubGs. We've chosen the heft and color of wool to pull, so
underneath it all, we *know* it's just wool.
To summarize: purple vs. Stang; who believes? and who is creative?
--
Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - <ch...@pobox.com>
"It furthers one to have somewhere to go."
Joe Cosby
wrote:
>According to Joe Cosby <joec...@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>:
>>Faith is how we create. What we believe to be true becomes true.
>
>That's total bullshit. If you believe something is true then you
>don't have to work to *make* it true. Creativity is the tension
>between what is and what you wish to be, which pulls you through the
>work of *making* it true. Or at least close enough so you can sleep.
>
>Believing in fantasy as if it were reality isn't creative, it's
>delusional. And there are a lot more delusional pinks than there are
>delusional SubGs. We've chosen the heft and color of wool to pull, so
>underneath it all, we *know* it's just wool.
>
>To summarize: purple vs. Stang; who believes? and who is creative?
Apparently you didn't even read what I wrote, you dipfuck.
"Believing in fantasy as if it were reality" has nothing to do with
what I actually wrote, beyond where you snipped.
People read a few words and it sounds like something else they read
somewhere else and formed a strong opinion about and so they shut off
their brain and respond.
I expected some dipshit would jump to the wrong conclusion which was
why I immediately followed that with:
"It's become a knee-jerk new age cliche to the point that it doesn't
mean anything, and people think of it as some form of FAIRIE MAGICK,
but it's really a fairly simple idea."
and then went on to clarify.
I guess you didn't get that far before your brain shut down.
***
I really get sick of trying to talk about anything more controversial
than Janet Jackson's tits on Usenet. People don't even make the
slightest attempt to comprehend any point that doesn't fit what they
already agree with. Anything I post beyond "I agree with this post"
is a waste of time. It's why alt.slack is the only group I even
bother posting to anymore.
Well, that was my mistake. I tried to say something beyond the usual
drooling bullshit. I don't know what came over me.
We're all faced with the chance to learn something different in life.
And then we die. But people would rather get as many opportunities to
say "I WAS RIGHT AGAIN!" as they can than to actually give an
unfamiliar idea a moment of thought.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
If Bill Gates had a dime for every time Windows crashed... Oh, Wait!! He Does!
Cardinal Vertigo
I agree with this post.
Joe Cosby
I have nothing to add to your response, at this time.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
On the other hand, you have different fingers.
-- Steven Wright
Cardinal Vertigo
Oh shit, it's happening again.
--
"A cry in the dark
Disappears into the void
PLONK"
-- Joe Cosby
Chip Salzenberg
It's a fair cop. Having read more carefully, I agree with that post.
The use of "faith" as a shorthand for all signal filters was a bit of
a reach, though, and it short-circuited my brain. Connection to
religious dumbfucks who ran my young life, you know, the usual.
>We're all faced with the chance to learn something different in life.
>And then we die. But people would rather get as many opportunities to
>say "I WAS RIGHT AGAIN!" as they can than to actually give an unfamiliar
>idea a moment of thought.
Hm. Could it be that one comment is causing a reaction that is ALL
OUT OF PROPORTION to the comment's own content, and has instead
triggered a response that has been building up over a long time due to
the stupidity of many others? Gee, where I have read about that?
Chip Salzenberg
According to Joe Cosby <joec...@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>:
>Apparently you didn't even read what I wrote, you dipfuck.
It's a fair cop. Having read more carefully, I agree with that post.
The use of "faith" as a shorthand for all signal filters was a bit of
a reach, though, and it short-circuited my brain. Connection to
religious dumbfucks who ran my young life, you know, the usual.
>We're all faced with the chance to learn something different in life.
>And then we die. But people would rather get as many opportunities to
>say "I WAS RIGHT AGAIN!" as they can than to actually give an unfamiliar
>idea a moment of thought.
Hm. Could it be that one comment is causing a reaction that is ALL
OUT OF PROPORTION to the comment's own content, and has instead
triggered a response that has been building up over a long time due to
the stupidity of many others? Gee, where I have read about that?
Big Bird
[...various other things acknowledged, yet snipped as a sacrifice to
the bandwith-gods anyways, curse their hearts...]
> Now, having said my mean thing about faith, I would also like to say
> that it turns my stomach to see knee-jerk "SubGeniuses" make blanket
> statements about "those stupid Christians" or "those stupid
> Republicans," which might as well be just like saying "those stupid
> niggers" or
Why don't we play that old Sesame Street favorite "one of these things
is not like the others":
a) All christians are christians by choice. They can cease being
christians at any moment if they so chose.
b) All republicans are republicans by choice. They can cease being
republicans at any moment if they so chose.
c) Nobody was ever black by choice. Nobody can choose to become
non-black. Not even Michael Jackson.
So, which of these three sentences somehow seems to be different from
the other two? Take your time, there's no pressure here. If you give
up, you'll find the answer on a piece of paper in Taiwan. (But I don't
want to make it TOO easy so you'll have to find it yourself).
Wasn't that fun? Wanna try again? How about these three:
a) No christian I've ever talked to resented being called a christian.
b) No republican I've ever talked to resented being called a
republican.
c) Every single black person I've ever talked to resented being called
nigger.
Again, take your time and think it through. Hint: it's the same one as
before.
Lets do it one more time then boys and girls, this time putting to
work what we've learned so far: Can you name which of the three
phrases in quotation marks in the following sentence fragment is not
like the others:
> [...] blanket
> statements about "those stupid Christians" or "those stupid
> Republicans," which might as well be just like saying "those stupid
> niggers" [...]
Too easy? Want something harder?
Read the following two sentences and compare:
a)
> I have known PLENTY of Christians, and Republicans, and Christian
> Republicans, who were smarter, funnier, kinder, and generally more
> thoughtfully and practically constructive in life than MOST of the
> "SubGenii" I know.
b) I have yet to meet a christian, or republican, or christian
republican, who was smarter, funnier, kinder, and generally more
thoughtfully and practically constructive in life than an Idaho
potato.
Note, that these are not in the least in contradiction with each other
-- they could easily both be true or both be false. Or one could be
true and the other one false. Or maybe they're all just plain
meaningless?
Ah, fun with language.
Not that I'm saying that there's anything wrong with christians or
republicans per se, just because they aren't really good for anything.
We all have a role to play in this world. Consider the common slinky,
for example: it isn't really good for anything either, but how much
pleasure does it give us as we watch it tumble down the stairs.
> So, while I think it's dumb to be a Christian, or a Republican, or a
> Democrat, or an unfunny SubGenius, I think the habit of thinking in
> sweeping generalizations is a more BASIC dumbness which transcends all
> isms,
Well, you noticed already that this is a sweeping generalization. But
you avoided going one step further:
the sweeping generalization that all sweeping generalizations are
false proves itself wrong AND THEREFORE *some* sweeping
generalizations are, in fact, true.
Take the sum total of all that christians actually, really do and
call it "the way christians are". Open a history book and make sure
you get an accurate picture of the way christians really are. Now
realize that every single person who joins the christian sect today
approves of and condones everything this sect is doing and has ever
done OR THEY WOULDN'T JOIN THEM. Nobody is forced with a shotgun to go
to the revivalist tent or the bible-study class or what-have-you.
Sweeping generalization: All christians condone witch-burning.
Reasoning: If they didn't, they would not only NOT join the clearly
identifiable group of people who have a track record of burning
witches, but they'd try to put as much distance between them and
themselves.
Contrary to American urban folklore, the nazis did a lot of nice
things too. But if I see some guy with a swastika walking down the
street, then I have a pretty clear picture what part of nazi worldview
that person is condoning by displaying this symbol.
--
Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from
malice
Big Bird
> {...} Christianity has had a less than
> glamorous history, true, but for every five ignorant cross-burners
> there is one or two decent people who happen to believe in the
> Chrisitan way of life.
No, they all believe in the christian way of life because the sentence
fragment "the christian way of life" is defined soley by the way
christians lead their lives. You examine *all* christians and you get
an idea of "the christian way of life".
Every single christian condones the christian way of life or otherwise
they'd simply choose to leave the organization "christians" and go on
to do their own thing. It's not hard. Happens all the time.
The word "christian" stands for all the things that christians *do*,
not for the propaganda lies they spew.
We don't say "Fred is such a nice and kind and friendly guy, too bad
that he's occasionally murdering people". We say "despite all other
charater traits Fred is a murderer and should be put to death".
--
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
[Seneca the Younger (4? B.C. - 65 A.D.)]
Big Bird
> Well, I can't control their brains, I can simply tell them what I
> think, regardless of whether or not they choose to accept my words to
> them.
And when was the last time you told off a cross burner? Go ahead and
lie, I don't expect honesty from you.
Here's something very simple you could do: you could disengage
yourself from them. You could simply publicly declare "I want no part
of this" and stop licking the spittle of everything that calls itself
christian by using the term for yourself.
> In
> every religion there are some jerks who don't understand the message
> even when spelled out just as clear as plain gelatin:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth;
I came not to send peace, but a sword."
[Jesus, Matthew 10:34]
Geier's second law: For every bible verse there's an equal and
opposite bible verse.
But like every other christian you're now going to proclaim that your
christianity is the "one only true christianity" and how all the other
christianities aren't "real" christianities. Well, I can all see you
walk like ducks and quack like ducks.
> not
> that I am entirely fond of homosexuals personally
Yet you whine when someone else is not particularly fond of xtians
personally.
> Even as a Christian, this happened two thousand years ago -- who
> fucking cares who made the inevitable decision to crucify him?
If you want the facts of the matter, all you have to do is study the
actual, real history of the region. Pliny the Elder, for example, was
a roman historian who wrote extensivley about the social, political,
and religious leaders of just that region at just that time. The
romans kept meticulously book of executions in the occupied
territories, why don't you look it up there. And surely of the
"multitudes" that Jesus allegedly rose on various occasions, there
must have been one single person who found it worthwhile to mention
the event in a diary or in a letter to someone else? One person?
Here's someone who's raising the dead for crying out loud, heals
lepers and makes lame people walk -- surely you'll be able to find
*one* note about this guy somewhere that was actually written at the
time?
> BUT, the point is
> that he rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. Whether or not you
> want to believe this, it is what an ordinary Christian is taught to
> believe.
In general, you should only believe those statements that are true.
Truth is not a matter of popular opinion or vote, it is not awarded to
any statement that isn't empirically testable, and it has absolutely
nothing to do with the personage behind any given statement.
Believeing something that is false is stupid. Believing something
that is false even though you know that it is false is dishonest.
> Why is there such an issue with atheists? A buch of whiny pussies
You just answered your own question.
As long as you retarded pissers find it acceptable to insult the
dignity of everybody who is other than you, those others may find it
acceptable to insult you back.
You and I are both atheists -- I simply believe in ONE less god than
you. Should you ever acquire the necessary self-awareness to realizy
*why* you reject all those millions of other possible gods that have
been proposed, you'll understand why I reject yours. At that time,
you'll reject it as well.
> Tough shit, if a kid -- your kid -- of an atheist is
> going to say God, what about it?
There's no problem with him saying it.
There's a monster of a problem with retarded
pissers like you FORCING him to say it.
> You are just as bad banning your kid from saying it or believing in it
> as a "Christian" is banning books.
NOBODY is trying to ban a kid from saying "god" or believeing in a
god. Your claim to the contrary is a lie and an insult.
What we reasonable people are trying to ban is retarded pissers like
you trying to FORCE our kids to say or believe any one thing.
What my son does, says or believes is UP TO HIM.
*I* say so.
*You* disagree with this and try to FORCE him to
say certain things against his will.
> How am I making things in the world more horrible? I am planning on
> organizing a clean-up in trash in my city.
Ah, funny how the xtians are always "planning on" cleaning up all
kinds of things including their act.
Any day now.
> My Christian parents took my family to every play they
> could, see every sight in America they could (on limited amounts of
> vacations), let us read every book they could (however, I had more fun
> reading science fiction, fantasy, or encyclopedias rather than classic
> works of shit in my opinion), took us to see every work of art
> possible (that is allowable for children to see. Yes, that's right,
> my horrible Baptist parents.
The fact that you find this worth mentioning speaks volumes about
xtians. All of these things are as obvious and natural as breathing to
a non-believer (and a Jew, I'd like to add, and quite possibly a lot
of other non-xtians). Only an xtian would think that this is so
unusual as to be worth any public mention anywhere.
> However, when it comes down to it, I am going to believe in Jesus
> Christ, no matter how simple of a person I may be for it. Have a
> blessed day.
While others, who are happy to learn and to *grow* as human beings
will make fun of entities who choose intentionally to be stupid,
simple, or ignorant.
Joe Cosby
wrote:
>According to Joe Cosby <joec...@SPAMBLOCKmindspring.com>:
Well, bingo.
It's just Monday.
You really shouldn't post at me before I've had my coffee.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
Damn the posting host.
Joe Cosby
wrote:
I dunno. On the other hand, I think people with religion are
inevitably better of than people without. Better off psychologically
and just better integrated. I mean just look at the typical religious
person, they look HEALTHY. Not always, certainly, but more often than
not.
It's the one place I find atheists the most unconvincing. They can
argue the factual validity of religion all day and I will agree with
them. But then they face the argument that people with religion are
HAPPIER and they try to deny that. Usually they try to explain
logically why they are just as happy ... which, really, should be a
warning sign already. If you have to EXPLAIN why you're happy you're
not.
Integrated. Their life has a sense of purpose. They have a sense of
self and a sense that their existence has meaning. Atheists can argue
around it all they want but those all go a long way towards your
quality of life. People are at their best when they are integrated,
and there is nothing -central- that atheists can turn to as an
alternative. Seeing yourself as a meaningless accident is just not a
good way to go through life. Atheists will try to claim that they
don't see themselves as ... well, MEANINGLESS, exactly ... and they
come up with all these clever contortions to explain why they think
their life has meaning ... but it's always just double-talk. And I
don't know why they even bother to try: however you talk your way
around it, the world-view that you are a random byproduct of blind
mechanisms and that your death is the absolute terminus of all you are
and ever will be is crushing. It negates -all- purpose, not just
emotionally, but -logically-.
True or not, it serves a purpose that society hasn't been able to find
an adequate replacement for.
But then OTOH it's just one more thing that annoys me about
Christians, to be honest. Whatever religion is, IMO it needs to be
CO-OPTED by something better. Something which isn't so negative to
the body and to natural human passions. But that's what really
distinguishes Christianity from all other religions, the absolute
conviction that it isn't ENOUGH to be moral and spiritual, but that
only by adopting CHRISTIANITY, AND NO OTHER RELIGION, can a human be
good.
Any chance of the human race coming up with a religion which would be
acceptable to both skeptics and spiritually-inclined people is ruined
... by Christianity. As long as Christianity exists, it will be
impossible.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
Oh fuck. It's those slack boys. Go home!
Doktor DynaSoar
<jho...@myrealbox.com> wrote:
No no no, NOT here!
OVER THERE!
HellPopeHuey
>
> I really get sick of trying to talk about anything more controversial
> than Janet Jackson's tits on Usenet.
Um... you mean there's a place I can go to see BOTH of them? URL,
please. My world REVOLVES around her nipples. I positively CAME when
that Aztec sun god thing spun around during the Sooper Bowl show.
Uh... were we talkin' about Jesus? The REAL one, the sys-ex Jesus with
the viral smile or the dog-&-pony show Jesus who has His hand out alla
time? Robert Tilton sucked off who? Huh? What about "Bob?"
--
HellPope Huey / www.subgenius.com
I came by my evil grin honestly, honest!
Nice guys finish last, but we get to sleep in.
- Evan Davis
"You've got a lot more going for you than wiggly nostrils."
- "Anger Management"
Joe Cosby
either you should flame me back, or we should both go flame nenslo.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
Every idol, however exalted, turns out, in the long run, to be a Moloch, hungry for
human sacrifice.
- Aldous Huxley
Ad Absurdum
> distinguishes Christianity from all other religions, the absolute
> conviction that it isn't ENOUGH to be moral and spiritual, but that
> only by adopting CHRISTIANITY, AND NO OTHER RELIGION, can a human be
> good.
I think you're absolutely right here, Joe, and I think the main
'structural' difference, the one that causes this distinction, is a
kind of "semiotic totalitarianism", ie that the only true and good
door to your soul IS NAMED "Jesus", or "Christ". On the one hand, the
idiotic belief that a person's goodness or spirituality, which they
haven't yet encountered the trend of naming "Jesus Christ", is useless
because of precisely that, that they have not accepted that NAME as
their "personal savior"'s LOGO/PHONE-NUMBER. On the other hand, the
equally idiotic belief that by using this name "Jesus Christ", the
divinity being expressed MUST BE EXACTLY THE SAME THING that all those
millions of others are referring to when they look inside, bask in a
melting light, and cry out....... a name. A name which, unfortunately
to its intended texture, they learned from corrupt assouls who at
times have been adept magicians and/or social metacontrollers.
>
> Any chance of the human race coming up with a religion which would be
> acceptable to both skeptics and spiritually-inclined people is ruined
> ... by Christianity. As long as Christianity exists, it will be
> impossible.
.........and as long and as thoroughly as Christianity is ridiculed
and "killed", it will always ressurect itself. That's why 'zombie
aesthetics' is big and getting bigger........................
Joe Cosby
wrote:
You incredible drooling fucking idiot. Why don't you shut up before
your brain notices what your mouth is saying and does the universe a
favor and seizes up for good.
--
Joe Cosby
http://users.zhonka.net/joecosby/
I was told by a Professor of Education in class once that school
administrators cared about only two things: Image and Damage control.
Any attempts to get their attention have to be translated into those
terms.
Satyr