Minorities can't be racist? Hmmmmm. . .
D. P. Roberts
Willie Hank
venerating someone on account of their race was as insulting as villifying
them for it. A good point when you consider that either sentiment says "Hey,
you're different than me and I have strong feelings relative to that
(perceived) difference." Not getting too personal, but I'm a "mixed race"
American (Scot-Irish/Cherokee) so I'm really perplexed as to just who I
should hate. And since both "races" owned African slaves in the old days, on
whose behalf should I feel guilty and/or hateful? OR, should I rise above
all this human racist drivel and pride myself in my Northern Tibetan Yeti
heritage which not only predates humans but also certainly transcends them
and their troubled history? Waddaya think, Kevan???
Rev WHF V
"Kevan" <cut...@shreve.net> wrote in message
news:b6ibvtcm4g453p91n...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 00:35:06 GMT, in...@montoya.net (D. P. Roberts) from
> EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net wrote:
>
>
> >http://www.newnation.com/NNN-wichita.html
>
> "Prosecutors declined to charge the Carrs with a hate crime, saying no
> evidence exists to indicate race was a motivation for the killings."
>
> Newnation.com is a white supremacist website associated with the
> Christian Identity movement and the "new confederacy."
>
>
> --
> I love KATRINKA because she drives a PONTIAC. We're going away now. I
> fed the cat.
> 16 November 2001
>
D. P. Roberts
>
>"Prosecutors declined to charge the Carrs with a hate crime, saying no
>evidence exists to indicate race was a motivation for the killings."
Of COURSE it was motivation. Wake up, Kevan me boy. That news wasn't
disseminated very far. The local media certainly didn't cover it.
That makes them racist.
Willie Hank
"Kevan" <cut...@shreve.net> wrote in message
news:b6ibvtcm4g453p91n...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 00:35:06 GMT, in...@montoya.net (D. P. Roberts) from
> EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net wrote:
>
>
> >http://www.newnation.com/NNN-wichita.html
>
> "Prosecutors declined to charge the Carrs with a hate crime, saying no
> evidence exists to indicate race was a motivation for the killings."
>
König Prüß, GfbAEV
>I love PONTIACS. If I feed the cat can I drive KATRINKA?
>
I don't think that "Pontiac" is racist, but the football fans doing the tomahawk chop
looks stupid.
You are probably right about not venerating anyone because of their race,
but too, there are elements of totem and ancestor worship in a lit of cultures.
I found the definition of racism that I think Kevan is using, it claims that
racism is only possible if a group has enough power to persecute people
on the basis of race. But to me, killing people on the basis of race indicates
an exercise of power, so the incident in Kansas is racist by my definition,
if not by Kevan's definition.
In any event, there seems to be something strange in the change from the
old practice of "to the victor go the spoils" to expecting everyone in the world
to have the same culture and value system. This is not multicultural diversity,
it's forcing everyone into parameters that fit the market system and won't cause
any problems at Disneyland or MacDonalds.
My theory is that the more people there are, the less value there is placed
on an individual life; things will likely continue to get worse for a while.
D. P. Roberts
>I love PONTIACS. If I feed the cat can I drive KATRINKA?
I'm surprised Kevan would have that in a sig. Everyone knows PONTIAC
stands for "Poor Old N***** Thinks It's A Cadillac" -- he must be a
RACIST!
meat balloon
minorities can.
Willie Hank
business, I'm a bum on SSI so it's not like I've got too much to give "back"
even if I did "owe" anything. Take your guilt trips to mass or confession
you proto-catholic dipshit! You guilt-mongering white rejects from Europa
brought the "disease" of racism to Chiaha so if you feel responsible, you
cure it with your money, not by guilt tripping you don't EVEN know! And BTW
I bet I'm related by bloodline and blessing to more American blacks and
Indians than you personally know or even want to personally know! You're
fucking with the wrong Tsalagi, white-boy! Better keep your arguments
confined to the virulent racists among the netizens of alt.slack, who I
probably despise (and, by virtue of being mixed-race am more despised by)
than YOU! White-ass!
Rev WHF V
"Kevan" <cut...@shreve.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 00:48:44 -0600, "Willie Hank" <laf...@allyall.org>
> from BELLSOUTH.net wrote:
>
>
> >should I rise above
> >all this human racist drivel and pride myself in my Northern Tibetan Yeti
> >heritage which not only predates humans but also certainly transcends
them
> >and their troubled history? Waddaya think, Kevan???
>
> Yeti. Sure. Whatever.
>
>
> --
> World War III? No thanks!
> 17 November 2001
>
Willie Hank
CAPITALIZES the fact that BELLSOUTH is my ISP, so obviously prejudiced it's
not worth pointing out why. He's probably a twenty-something, two-inch
dicked, white boy who got his high school heart throb picked up by the
brothers cause they got the groove going on and he ain't got nothing but a
little dick and a big guilt trip to lay on people he doesn't even know. My
Dad was certified and quite proud to be half Cherokee, and I've dealt with
racist epithets and exclusion by whites all my 39 years of existence. I've
seen the Africans he so worships given rights based on the sufferings of
their ancestors while seeing my fathers people, who lived here long before
Ericsson and Hierulfson ever found L'Anse Aux Meadows,degraded into becoming
casino operators for the "mob" and putting on historically doctored shows
(Unto These Hills, Cherokee NC) for curious whites just to maintain hold of
a pittance of their former life and lands and avoid total tribal extinction,
something many N. American natives weren't so fortunate in doing. And at
least the Indians fought for their rights. With all respect the blacks have
relied on white lawyers, white media, and white law for their conquests,
meager as they indisputably are. And does Mr Kevan advocate reparations for
the true owners of North America? Hell no! His sole objective is to make
whites feel guilty about something that not one person responsible for is
still alive today; slavery. Quite frankly, it's assholes like him who do
more to incite racial division and hatred than all the beer guzzling
rednecks in the world just by dredging up bullshit that would and should
otherwise be forgotten. And I'll bet a fair sum this asshole doesn't even
know any black people except a few Caucasized ones he might happen to work
or go to college with . Personally, I think billionaire sports team owners,
who trade humans , mostly blacks,not much differently than the planters of
old are more responsible for perpetuating the myth that black people are
only good for buying, selling, and throwing away than all the "po white
trash" in the US and Canada combined. And as far as the incident in bumfuck
Kansas he keeps referring to, like those assholes website would get hits if
fuckwads like him didn't advertise for them. Makes ya wonder who's side he
is really on, eh?
PS Hey Nimkevrod, did you know that at the time of the emancipation
proclamation there were over 3,000 registered BLACK slave owners in the US?
So what do they owe their people???????
Rev Willie Hank Fenderson V
"Behind the shadow of the wind, the way is sharp and narrow. Find the
needle's eye and then, fire the poison arrow"
<König Prüß>; "GfbAEV" <saur...@weinerschnitzle.com> wrote in message
news:t1pJ7.1429$m_4.1...@nntp2.onemain.com...
König Prüß, GfbAEV
I don't know too much about Oklahoma. I remember passing through Osage County
and thinking that it was pretty cool that there was a whole county all Indian. I read
somewhere that so much oil pumped out of Oklahoma that the ground sank three
feet in some places. That Alkatraz Island has been an Indian issue from time to time.
I think that what they want to do now is to make it an Indian Casino, which would
be a real money-maker, right there in the San Francisco Bay. I think that it pretty much
sucks that there were more than 200 treaties signed and all broken. The part about
government land reverting to the Indians if not used by the government is a good
idea, but not likely to happen. The part about leasing out Indian land for the resources
is basically robbery. Same with all of the US Public Lands, if all of these resources
were managed well, we could all take a vacation for a while. The Department of
the Interior is too damned cozy with big business, and nobody seems to mind all
of the timber, minerals, and oil that ought to go to the people, or into the public coffers,
but go to the corporate guys instead. I know that I'm sounding like a goddam socialist
or something, but I'm not, just pro-labor, pro-union. Oh, I remember seeing a car tag
in Oklahoma that said, "Don't tell my mother that I'm a rigger in the oil fields; she still
thinks I'm a piano player in a whore house."
Willie Hank
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 04:26:50 -0600, "Willie Hank" <laf...@allyall.org>
> from BELLSOUTH.net wrote:
>
> >Kevans trip is obviously based on his own prejudices, hence how he
>
> That's done automatically by my newsreader, which I've set to include
> organization in an introduction. IF you changed your organization, my
> newsreader would no longer say you were from Bellsouth.
>
> >... My
> >Dad was certified and quite proud to be half Cherokee, and I've dealt
with
> >racist epithets and exclusion by whites all my 39 years of existence.
I've
> >seen the Africans he so worships given rights based on the sufferings of
> >their ancestors while seeing my fathers people, who lived here long
before
> >Ericsson and Hierulfson ever found L'Anse Aux Meadows,degraded into
becoming
> >casino operators for the "mob" and putting on historically doctored shows
> >(Unto These Hills, Cherokee NC) for curious whites just to maintain hold
of
> >a pittance of their former life and lands and avoid total tribal
extinction,
> >something many N. American natives weren't so fortunate in doing. And at
> >least the Indians fought for their rights. With all respect the blacks
have
> >relied on white lawyers, white media, and white law for their conquests,
> >meager as they indisputably are. And does Mr Kevan advocate reparations
for
> >the true owners of North America? Hell no!
>
> person to bring it up.
If youre so interested in justice why weren't YOU the first person to bring
it up?????
>
> >His sole objective is to make
> >whites feel guilty about something that not one person responsible for is
> >still alive today; slavery.
Show me a living person who owned African slaves in 1863.......
>
> Well, you brag about all the good your ancestors did,
What pray tell did I brag about, sir?
but when it comes
> to something BAD they did, suddenly it's a different story. I see.
Slavery in its day was in essence no more cruel than minimum wage laws and
no to low benefit jobs of today! Only the verbiage changes. Lower echelon
workers of all races are worked nearly to death for such a small percentage
of what they earn for their masters I'm surprised a socialy conscious
individual such as yourself doesn't take issue with present injustices in
regards to disparities between labor and management. rather than harping on
an irreparable past....
>
> >And as far as the incident in bumfuck
> >Kansas he keeps referring to, like those assholes website would get hits
if
> >fuckwads like him didn't advertise for them.
>
> I didn't bring that subject up. Nor was I the one to post the URL the
> first time.
My sincerest apologies, sir!
>
> >PS Hey Nimkevrod, did you know that at the time of the emancipation
> >proclamation there were over 3,000 registered BLACK slave owners in the
US?
> >So what do they owe their people???????
And that would be??????
>
> I've already addressed that. Do some reading before you jump in with
> your dick hanging in the dirt.
Good advice and my penis thanks you for the compliment
>
>
> --
> Are you still an ALCOHOLIC? I was never an alcoholic. Frop-head, yes,
alkie, no........
I don't drink, but have been known to enjoy other forms of "spiritual
enlightenment" common to the caribbean and other happier places......like
Africa
.
> 17 November 2001
> In short Kevan, unlike the racist assholes who answer your posts with
character assassinations and ethnic slurs, I try to direct the argument to
helping those who are still today living under conditions of slavery, people
who are alive and raising families, not token images of a time long past. I
applaud your challenge to the racism that pervades our society and our
world, but help the slaves of today, not those long dead. Pinish the slave
drivers today, not the descendants of those long vanquished.
D. P. Roberts
>So, you're in agreement with a bunch of lunatic white supremacists,
>despite the fact that an official representing the community says "no
>evidence exists to indicate race was a motivation for the killings." OK,
>fine, we know where you stand -- foursquare with the assholes.
I don't know that they're white supremacists other than your ranting.
So you stand foursquare with the murdering racist assholes.
D. P. Roberts
>
>Hell, you can't even bring yourself to type the N word.
Hell, you can't even type it with asterisks. You have to call it "the
N word"! What a paranoid asshole you are!
Joe Cosby
computer, typing feverishly;
thunder crashed, König Prüß, GfbAEV <saur...@weinerschnitzle.com>
laughed madly, then wrote:
Personally my definition of racism is the inability of people to look
at an alien culture without imposing the standards of their own.
Sadly though, by my definition condescending self-righteous liberal
crybabies like Kevan are racist. Anybody who feels they have to
defend the po' African American from the depridations of the rest of
the culture is pushing the same alienation that racists do.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather straps.
- Emo
Sig by Kookie Jar 5.98d http://go.to/generalfrenetics/
König Prüß, GfbAEV
<editorial deletage>
>Personally my definition of racism is the inability of people to look
>at an alien culture without imposing the standards of their own.
>
>Sadly though, by my definition condescending self-righteous liberal
>crybabies like Kevan are racist. Anybody who feels they have to
>defend the po' African American from the depridations of the rest of
>the culture is pushing the same alienation that racists do.
>
Yeah, that fits the definition of ethnocentrism, too.
One thing about Kevan's definition of racism is that it is kind of like
the problem that the US has with hardcore religions. There is a kind of
Catch-22 involved, I think, in that, for example, like in Islam, there might
not be freedoms that are accorded in a more or less free state. Or like
with some Fundies disallowing medical care for their children. I suppose
that's why there is supposed to be separation of church and state.
Otherwise, whackadoodle ethical systems would make up rules that
would allow rules like racism can only be a White thang, or that any crime
a niggrah might commit is entirely justifiable. The Hindu caste system
looks screwy to me, by that's from my cultural perspective; however,
I don't give a shit about their religious freedom or basic rights, I ain't
having no damn cows wandering around the streets here, no even if
they promise to clean up after them. Some of this is cultural conflict and
cultural evolution, eventually one system or the other will prevail.
One thing that's funny to me is that the crime stats supposedly fell way off
just after 9/11, but they have since zoomed way up. I don't think that
will continue for long, things seem to be continuing to drift to the political
right, and I just love reminding Kevan of that, most of his rhetoric is
now obsolete. Neener!
Alliekatt
"D. P. Roberts" <in...@montoya.net> wrote in message
news:3bf8ae9f...@news.earthlink.net...
> http://www.newnation.com/NNN-wichita.html
Equal opportunity is had with equal responsibility.
Defensive white racism will not end until black-on-white hate crime is
sliced down considerably. And by what I see on the 6 o'clock news with one
stupid po'bucker rapist or neglect story, and three more stories just as bad
with black suspect faces on that screen, it looks like black hate crime is
anonymized by the term "homicide" in order to keep them away from
responsibility for their actions, and keep quiet about the actuality of
black-on-white hate crime. Why is that? To keep white people from night
riding? That won't happen. What WILL happen is that white people will
finally stop being afraid of black people because black people will finally
be given a choice to be responsible for their actions. And civil rights has
covered EVERYTHING ELSE except for THAT.
People don't seem to recognize, that "not being afraid" does not mean that
They The Enemy are fearlessly coming after them. It means that they are not
afraid, and thus not finding a reason to come after them OR hate anyone.
If black hate crime, as rampant as it is without being labeled hate crime,
were finally criminalized and covered by media as that, then they would be
forced to recognize equal responsibility. Which would pave a much easier
way for equal opportunity.
The only Conspiracy that I see beyond white racism fueled by black hatred,
(both of which will and must stop,) is the insidious racism of silence on
the part of whites who continue not to speak up about being victims of
specific hate crime, and thus keep innocent blacks unfairly under the
cultural thumb of not having any responsibility for their actions, and being
treated like children, fueling their hatred.
If black perpetrators of hate crime were tried publicly and scandalously as
being hate criminals, being MADE RESPONSIBLE, we would rightfully be putting
black hate criminals in amongst the Nazi scum where they belong, to duke it
out in prison forever and ever, until they either kill each other or become
ass buddies.
And there is SO much more silenced hate crime perpetrated on white people,
as just another robbery, just another carjacking, just another shooting,
just another rape, without ANY national hate crime coverage. FUCK that.
Equal responsibility. When there is equal responsibility, THEN I will have
no qualms about living next door, and not being afraid.
I hate humans. They are INCAPABLE of recognizing the OBVIOUSNESS of what I
just said. DUH. DUH. DUH.
alliekatt
Joe Cosby
computer, typing feverishly;
thunder crashed, König Prüß, GfbAEV <saur...@weinerschnitzle.com>
laughed madly, then wrote:
>Joe Cosby escrivened:
><editorial deletage>
>>Personally my definition of racism is the inability of people to look
>>at an alien culture without imposing the standards of their own.
>>
>>Sadly though, by my definition condescending self-righteous liberal
>>crybabies like Kevan are racist. Anybody who feels they have to
>>defend the po' African American from the depridations of the rest of
>>the culture is pushing the same alienation that racists do.
>>
>
> Yeah, that fits the definition of ethnocentrism, too.
>
> One thing about Kevan's definition of racism is that it is kind of like
>the problem that the US has with hardcore religions. There is a kind of
>Catch-22 involved, I think, in that, for example, like in Islam, there might
>not be freedoms that are accorded in a more or less free state. Or like
>with some Fundies disallowing medical care for their children.
What really pisses me off about that is, the gov't will allow people
in fucked up religions to live by the rules of their religious system
only as long as those rules are fucked up and basically negative and
restrictive.
If Xtian Scientists want to disallow medical care for their kids in
preference of the voodoo system of medicine, that's OK. But if WE
form a religion where being unemployed, not paying taxes, or smoking
frop are part of the religion, they -don't- allow it.
Ergo, the definition of religion is implicitly, 'something which is no
fun'.
Our tax dollars at work. Our Gov't could fuck up a one-man rock
fight.
>I suppose
>that's why there is supposed to be separation of church and state.
>Otherwise, whackadoodle ethical systems would make up rules that
>would allow rules like racism can only be a White thang, or that any crime
>a niggrah might commit is entirely justifiable. The Hindu caste system
>looks screwy to me, by that's from my cultural perspective; however,
>I don't give a shit about their religious freedom or basic rights, I ain't
>having no damn cows wandering around the streets here, no even if
>they promise to clean up after them. Some of this is cultural conflict and
>cultural evolution, eventually one system or the other will prevail.
>One thing that's funny to me is that the crime stats supposedly fell way off
>just after 9/11, but they have since zoomed way up. I don't think that
>will continue for long, things seem to be continuing to drift to the political
>right, and I just love reminding Kevan of that, most of his rhetoric is
>now obsolete. Neener!
>
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
Joyous distrust is a sign of health. Everything absolute belongs to
pathology.
- Nietzsche
König Prüß, GfbAEV
<editorial deletage>
>in fucked up religions to live by the rules of their religious system
>only as long as those rules are fucked up and basically negative and
>restrictive.
>
>If Xtian Scientists want to disallow medical care for their kids in
>preference of the voodoo system of medicine, that's OK. But if WE
>form a religion where being unemployed, not paying taxes, or smoking
>frop are part of the religion, they -don't- allow it.
>
>Ergo, the definition of religion is implicitly, 'something which is no
>fun'.
>
>Our tax dollars at work. Our Gov't could fuck up a one-man rock
>fight.
>
Yep, I think that there is some general law about the government doesn't
want people to feel good, especially in ways that they can't make any money
on.
There was some more shit in the news today about the Big Tobacco Companies,
but what pisses me off about that so far is all the money the lawyers made, and
the tobacco co.'s did fork over some money, but a lot of it was stolen outright
by states for other stuff. Meanwhile, I'm paying more for cigareets.
It is some consolation to know that I'm not the only person pissed-off, and
although there are many people pissed-off for many different reasons, there
are plenty of people pissed-off same like me. It has occurred to me too that
the government will use this opportunity to squash all dissent and label any
complaints as un-American or not to be dealt with until the current ongoing
crisis is over and done.
So, people are so damned jumpy at this point that one bozo in the Atlanta
airport can bolt and cause a major disruption in the East Coast airports.
On the good side, I read that there were some Belgian military guys who
had been flying planeloads of hash to Europe. People's priorities sure are
screwed up. Fucking the world up as bad as they've done AND asking me
to look at it sober is simply an unreasonable request.
This Afghaniscam thing ought to be over soon, what will be the next contrived
bit of synthetic wool will the powers that be pull over our eyes?
Anyway, I blame the whole mess on the usual suspects.
John Starrett
<snip>
> > Yes. I do advocate reparations for Native Americans. You are the first
> > person to bring it up.
>
> If youre so interested in justice why weren't YOU the first person to bring
> it up?????
Actually we discussed this briefly a few weeks ago. I'm sure Kevan
forgot. This debate has been going on a LOOOOOOOONG time.
John Starrett
Blackout
"John Starrett" wrote
> > > Yes. I do advocate reparations for Native Americans. You are the
first
> > > person to bring it up.
> >
> > If youre so interested in justice why weren't YOU the first person
to bring
> > it up?????
> <snip>
>
> Actually we discussed this briefly a few weeks ago. I'm sure Kevan
> forgot. This debate has been going on a LOOOOOOOONG time.
never forget: kevan doesn't actually give a flying fuck about racism.
he just likes the way his voice sounds when he chants NUH UH NUH UH NUH
UH
Tesla Coil
> Defensive white racism will not end until black-on-white
> hate crime is sliced down considerably. And by what I
I know what you mean. Every time I see white victim of
a black violent criminal on the 6 o'clock news, I think,
wow, according to DoJ statistics, that's FOUR MORE white
victims of white violent criminals. And I gotta drive
through white neighborhoods to get to the grocery store.
Klyf the Not Quite Sane
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:31:07 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
> <saur...@weinerschnitzle.com> from Das Håkenkrüz wrote:
>
>
>> One thing about Kevan's definition of racism ....
>
> You don't get to define words OR tell me what I think, nazi boy. Here's
> "my" definition of racism:
>
> racism
> 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
> ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Well, with your whining for reparations, are you not thus implying that
the reparations are owed from the superior in a terribly misguided
RobinHood-esque scheme to "level the playing field"? You seem to be
implying that the "Colored Folk" have been much worse off than the
so-called "Nazi-Assholes" and that the "Nazi-Assholes" thus must fork
over the dough. It would be pointless to make such bizarre demands if
you were assuming that the "Colored Folk" were doing equally well, or
better, than the "Nazi-Assholes." You, yourself, are implying that the
"Black Folk" aren't doing so good, and could use a hand up. Does that
not sound demeaning to you?
You, and the other whiny liberals cry "Racism, Racism" incessantly,
forgetting that by doing so, you TOO are making a point of pigeonholing
people based on skin color, which is the most basic form of racism there
is. If you were truly not racist, you wouldn't give a flying fuck about
what the hell color people are. Myself, rather than worry about
them-there Mexicans, Blacks, etc, I divide people into three different
categories: Assholes, Not-Assholes, and people who I haven't decided
whether or not are assholes (that is, people I've never met).
> 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
Hence your constant bagging on the white people in here. Your ignorant
whining about Nazi-this, Nazi-that begins to annoy. There are several
other racist groups that will have little or nothing to do with the
Neo-Nazis--the Aryan Nation, Black Panthers, etc.
Ah, well, I guess I should thank you. If it weren't for whiny-ass people
like yourself, I wouldn't even give much thought to the wide variety of
colors these Humans seem to come in.
I'll trade ya two white ones for a yellow one.
I like Chinese food,
The waiters are never rude.
They're always friendly and eager to please.
I like Chinese thought,
The kind Confuscious taught.
Their Zen, their Ping-Pong, their Ying-and-Yang-ese.
Klyf. Over and out.
Alliekatt
"Tesla Coil" <tes...@irtc.net> wrote in message
news:3BF706E8...@irtc.net...
That's if it's a trailer park.
Trashy white people have a prevalent habit of choosing among their family
members for both breeding AND killing frenzies. Anonymous stabbing and
mugging for some project fucker's crack high money is a lot scarier.
I can stay away from interrelated crime by not associating with fuckups.
But when a friend got two ribs broken and nearly beaten to death by two
masked black men a month ago, I find it difficult not to be angry, because
_anonymous_ violent crime is a SHITLOAD scarier than looking on the news at
what a bunch of fuckups do to each other. And as far as that TYPE of crime
is concerned, they have that market cornered in every way except for the
rare serial killer.
alliekatt
König Prüß, GfbAEV
>On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:31:07 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
><saur...@weinerschnitzle.com> from Das Håkenkrüz wrote:
>
>
>> One thing about Kevan's definition of racism ....
>
>You don't get to define words OR tell me what I think, nazi boy. Here's
>"my" definition of racism:
>
>racism
>1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
> ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
>
Oh? So NOW you are saying that minorities CAN be racist.
Like you've been saying all along?
14/88!
König Prüß, GfbAEV
>On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 21:58:31 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
>
>day.
>
>--
quoted from previous post:
"You don't get to define words OR tell me what I think, nazi boy. Here's
"my" definition of racism:
racism
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race."
Well, it's good to know that you wish me well! I sure am enjoying tobacco
in all of its' forms.
There are some differences based on genotype, ya know. Like with smoking
for example. Blacks are more easily addicted to tobacco and also get lung cancer
at a higher rate than Whites. Look it up! I'm tired of doing your damned homework.
14/88!
Unclaimed Mysteries
info so I identified myself as fullblood yeti. Does that make me a racist?
It did earn me two personal visits from Census workers. I refused to redo
the form. Finally they gave up and left. Are they racists for not vigorously
pursuing my obvious mocking of government demands for racial classification?
Corry
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Willie <wil...@waylonsplace.net> wrote in alabama.sports.auburn: "Because I
know your THE AUTHORITY."
König Prüß, GfbAEV
Although I am not Kevan, neither do I play Kevan on TeeVee.
But for some reason I am thinking of the Vonnegut story about a society
wherein people discarded their regular family and tribal affiliations for contrived
ones. People became "Lisa Blueberry23" or "Randy Cumquot88"
This solved the reparations problem, also, because although there was some
minor obligation to be helpful to one's fellow tribesmmen, everyone else who
begged favors or made untoward claims could be told,
"Go take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut! Take a flying fuck at the moooooooon!"
König Prüß, GfbAEV
>On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 03:41:13 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV>>14/88!
>
>Nazi swine.
>
>14 Words
>Shorthand for a slogan coined by David Lane, an imprisoned member of the
>Order, or Silent Brotherhood: "We must secure the existence of our
>people and a future for White children." The Order was a revolutionary
>neo-Nazi group responsible for the theft of millions of dollars in
>armored car heists and the murder of a Jewish radio talk show host in
>the 1980s.
>
>88
>This number, widely used by neo-Nazis and others, is shorthand for "Heil
>Hitler." H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, and so the abbreviation
>H.H. is translated as 88.
König Prüß, GfbAEV
>On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 07:37:01 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV>> Although I am not Kevan ....
>
>
>I don't think you are a lost cause, though. I believe you could yet
>repent and do something useful with your life instead of continuing
>along the path of evil race hatred you're on now.
>
>
>
That might yet happen. However, I'll give you one minor example of why I'm on
this path for the time being. A couple of years ago, I'm in a transitional part of
Washington, DC surveying down the sidewalk for further community development
and neighborhood improvement. We are set up with me behind the transit in front
of a 12-story public housing building, a nice building that the apes are living in
cheap, and they are steadily tearing it up and trashing the place. So, we're
like surveying and measuring stuff, and the apes are throwing garbage off the
balconies at us while we are trying to make the place better. So, no more!
Fuck the apes! They can destroy but they don't know how to build. So, fuck them.
If a nigger walks up to you and says, "You know what time it is"
Just tell them, "Time for you to get a watch, motherfucker!"
14/88!
Joe Cosby
thunder crashed, Kevan <cut...@shreve.net> laughed madly, then wrote:
>On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 18:31:07 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
><saur...@weinerschnitzle.com> from Das Håkenkrüz wrote:
>
>
>> One thing about Kevan's definition of racism ....
>
>You don't get to define words OR tell me what I think, nazi boy. Here's
>"my" definition of racism:
>
>racism
>1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
> ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
>2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
>
yup
I think the fact that you're a big whiny pussy has something to do
with your RACE
Thus
I am a racist.
I'm not sure what race, exactly, big whiny pussies are endemic to.
Probably those FUCKING HONKIES again.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
"Do these balloons come in funny shapes?"
"No... unless round is funny."
Joe Cosby
thunder crashed, Kevan <cut...@shreve.net> laughed madly, then wrote:
>On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:52:07 -0600, "Unclaimed Mysteries"
><k4...@mindspring.com> from MindSpring Enterprises wrote:
>
>
>>On the intrusive Censuous2000 (TM) I objected to the race classification
>>info so I identified myself as fullblood yeti. Does that make me a racist?
>
>No. It makes you either delusional, a liar or both at once. There is no
>such thing as a "yeti." Further, if there were, it would be a different
>species altogether, and not a race.
keep believing that shit, monkey-boy.
--
Joe Cosby
http://joecosby.home.mindspring.com
Bummelanten vereinigen!
D. P. Roberts
>
>plainly obvious even from their web site. You don't have to surf far to
>find out. Lazy JACKASS.
Well pardon me. I thought the truth didn't matter. And the truth is,
that WAS A HATE CRIME. ALL CRIME IS HATE, you MORON.
Tesla Coil
>> I know what you mean. Every time I see white victim of
>> a black violent criminal on the 6 o'clock news, I think,
>> wow, according to DoJ statistics, that's FOUR MORE white
>> victims of white violent criminals. And I gotta drive
>> through white neighborhoods to get to the grocery store.
>
> That's if it's a trailer park.
>
> Trashy white people have a prevalent habit of choosing among
> their family members for both breeding AND killing frenzies.
> Anonymous stabbing and mugging for some project fucker's
> crack high money is a lot scarier.
14% of homicides are committed by strangers, 70% of those
by members of the same race. Homicide numbers 1999, that's
about 650 to 700 not necessarily white victims murdered
by strangers of another race. 783 people died in railway
accidents. Twice as many died of a hernia. And really,
when someone is puncturing your lung multiple times with
a knife, are you really thinking, "whew, this would be a
*lot* scarier if I didn't *know* this maniac."
Alliekatt
> 14% of homicides are committed by strangers, 70% of those
> by members of the same race. Homicide numbers 1999, that's
> about 650 to 700 not necessarily white victims murdered
> by strangers of another race. 783 people died in railway
> accidents. Twice as many died of a hernia. And really,
> when someone is puncturing your lung multiple times with
> a knife, are you really thinking, "whew, this would be a
> *lot* scarier if I didn't *know* this maniac."
>
700? In what country, England? Or are you citing monthly statistics local
to either New York City, or Los Angeles?
alliekatt
König Prüß, GfbAEV
I'm thinking: "I'm sooooo glad that I don't have a hernia!!!!!!11!!!"
D. P. Roberts
>
>
>1) smoking pot
>
>2) jaywalking
>
>3) oral sex
Look up the word "crime" and then come back to me with that list.
I feel very sorry for you.
Ricky Nielsen
"Kevan" <cut...@shreve.net> wrote in message
news:kn2fvtg6kccc0avbm...@4ax.com...
Well I tell Ray at work that all the time when he bugs me for the time and
he is white and I am mostly white so is it racist drivel then? and when
Curtis a black human tells him that is it racist then? If Vannek {Cambodian
human} tells him that is it racist then? How about Joe a"mexican" human
tells him? You seem to have some strange rules about what is and isn't
racism.>
>
>
> --
> Didn't I buy a 1951 Packard from you last March in Cairo?
> 18 November 2001
>
>
Tesla Coil
>> by members of the same race. Homicide numbers 1999, that's
>> about 650 to 700 not necessarily white victims murdered
>> by strangers of another race. 783 people died in railway
>> accidents. Twice as many died of a hernia. And really,
>> when someone is puncturing your lung multiple times with
>> a knife, are you really thinking, "whew, this would be a
>> *lot* scarier if I didn't *know* this maniac."
>
> 700? In what country, England? Or are you citing monthly
> statistics local to either New York City, or Los Angeles?
There were 15,533 homicides in the US in 1999 according to
FBI Uniform Crime Reports. Consult the CDC--because they
have a different reporting period or something, they have
it as 16,889. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice
Statistics study of homicide trends 1976-1999, source of
the observation that 14% of homicides are committed by
strangers, and 70% of those by members of the same race.
30% of 14% is 4.2%, and...
15,533 * .042 = 652
16,889 * .042 = 709
If you think the 6 o'clock news gives an accurate picture,
consider the proportion of reports of homicides against
those of suicide. For practically every murder victim,
someone else intentionally killed themselves with a
firearm: 16,599. The 12,600 who did so by other means
is another number.
Matthew Rhodes
> for example. Blacks are more easily addicted to tobacco and also get lung cancer
> at a higher rate than Whites.
Mebbe it is more of a cultural difference rather than a biological one. And mebbe
black males are more likely to get cancer because they're more stressed out, which
lowers the immune systems capabilities, methinks. Why're they so stressed out? Mebbe
they're racist too. Mebbe they buy into that whole thing and it bothers them. Mebbe
everyone's playing the same game and just pretending that it is truth. Mebbe someone
should ask Plessy or Ferguson or a little dolly. Mebbe by convincing people that an
entire large group of other people are all the same makes it a lot easier to convince
them to do awful things for you, like murdering 60,000 of them and thinking it's the
'proper' thing. Mebbe I'm trapped on PLANET MORON. Or mebbe I'm just nuts and
everyone else is sane.
Mebbe.
Soon,
#!0
"I will be gone and you'll still be trapped here in your cage."
König Prüß, GfbAEV
Yeah, @0!
Yeah, stress, and poor and minorities often live near factories, or a lot of traffic.
Statistical generalities aren't very good because of comparing distributions,
there is a lot of overlap.
But look at it like this: supposedly less than 1% of genetics accounts for all of the
differences between individuals. Sounds like not much, but there is a lot of differences
between individuals. Same with wine, less than 1% accounts for all of the difference
in color, flavor, etc., but there sure is a lot of difference in wine, especially between
good wine and bad wine, and I don't be puttin' up with no Mad Dog bullshitz
14/88!
kevbob
> >
> >Some crimes:
> >
> >1) smoking pot
> >
> >2) jaywalking
> >
> >3) oral sex
>
> Look up the word "crime" and then come back to me with that list.
from http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=crime :
"An act committed or omitted in violation of a law forbidding or commanding
it and for which punishment is imposed upon conviction. "
> I feel very sorry for you.
then you will gladly, and with pity, i am sure, explain how smoking pot,
jaywalking, or oral sex (which are all, in some contexts, crime) are "hate".
--
"I've felt worse but I've felt better,
A human see-saw to the letter
It makes me feel so bad, so nice
So bad, so nice!" -P.W.E.I.
Blackout
"kevbob" wrote
> > >> ALL CRIME IS HATE, you MORON.
> > >
> > >Some crimes:
> > >
> > >1) smoking pot
> > >
> > >2) jaywalking
> > >
> > >3) oral sex
> >
> > Look up the word "crime" and then come back to me with that list.
>
> from http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=crime :
>
> "An act committed or omitted in violation of a law forbidding or
commanding
> it and for which punishment is imposed upon conviction. "
>
> > I feel very sorry for you.
>
> then you will gladly, and with pity, i am sure, explain how smoking
pot
you hate reality
> jaywalking,
you hate waiting for the green light
>or oral sex
don't just eat a furburger - EAT THE HATEFUL HELL OUT OF IT
Unclaimed Mysteries
"Kevan" <cut...@shreve.net> wins a Tom Ridge Bobblehead Doll for writing in
part:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2001 00:52:07 -0600, "Unclaimed Mysteries"
> <k4...@mindspring.com> from MindSpring Enterprises wrote:
>
>
> >On the intrusive Censuous2000 (TM) I objected to the race classification
> >info so I identified myself as fullblood yeti. Does that make me a
racist?
>
> No. It makes you either delusional, a liar or both at once. There is no
> such thing as a "yeti." Further, if there were, it would be a different
> species altogether, and not a race.
>
>
I was fully aware of the potential criminal penalty for giving false
information on the Census form. If they left me alone, I'd get a mild laugh.
If they challenged me, I'd demand that they show the WORLD that I'm not Yeti
By Nature. That would inevitably mean a DNA comparison and the Government
Coverup of the existence of the Abominable Snowman would be blown forever.
Isn't that worth risking a $500 fine?
> --
> an ancient elevator is a semantic explosion?!?
Pleeeeze lose the Zippy quotes. It reminds me too much of emacs. Thank you
for your cooperation in this matter.
Corry
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"Kevan" <cut...@shreve.net> was strip-searched in Waverly, Alabama for
writing in part:
> 88
> This number, widely used by neo-Nazis and others, is shorthand for "Heil
> Hitler." H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, and so the abbreviation
> H.H. is translated as 88.
>
88 is traditional ham radio shorthand for "Love and kisses."
Is there a connection?
73 Corry K4DOH
Alliekatt
> > 700? In what country, England? Or are you citing monthly
> > statistics local to either New York City, or Los Angeles?
>
> There were 15,533 homicides in the US in 1999 according to
> FBI Uniform Crime Reports. Consult the CDC--because they
> have a different reporting period or something, they have
> it as 16,889. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice
> Statistics study of homicide trends 1976-1999, source of
> the observation that 14% of homicides are committed by
> strangers, and 70% of those by members of the same race.
>
> 30% of 14% is 4.2%, and...
>
> 15,533 * .042 = 652
> 16,889 * .042 = 709
>
> If you think the 6 o'clock news gives an accurate picture,
> consider the proportion of reports of homicides against
> those of suicide. For practically every murder victim,
> someone else intentionally killed themselves with a
> firearm: 16,599. The 12,600 who did so by other means
> is another number.
Okay, I tried not to use the nasty old Southern Ace that is the Rape card.
Until I read the very same DoJ report.
The very same DoJ report you use, puts out the percentage of white female
rape victims as something like 82% and black victims as 24%. But then the
report wisely relocates the demographic information on the offenders,
stating 52% of all rape offenders as being white. The victim profile
follows logical population distribution, but the offender demographics
sharply differ from it. By that mathematical profile, nonwhite offenders
not only take care of the black victim population, but also about 26% of the
white victim population. What's up with that?
And, as we all know, homicide isn't the only violent crime, and the male act
of dominating by force is often employed by people who feel oppressed by any
certain other demographic. If not used to dominate women directly out of
misogynistic hate, rape is an act of ritual, ceremonial vanquishment of
enemies with a penis, used on women belonging to an enemy, and the financial
status or cultural status of the rapist's enemy is soiled and spat upon with
ritual sperm. Of course, for the woman on the bottom, she gets a knife on
her throat and Olde English 40 breath in her face, so it really doesn't
matter that the animal is animal regardless of hide color, but it's
interesting for a white female victim that chances are apparently at least 1
in 2, that a nonwhite will find her for his ritual domination and probable
beating and brutalization.
You're right, homicide is a bad statistic. I won't use that one anymore
since most people are far more likely to kill the people they either live or
work with out of exasperation and contempt (over 70%), and the rest are
vehicular homicide, genuine psychosis, or intercultural organized crime.
alliekatt
Matthew Rhodes
Kevan wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 01:12:02 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
> <saur...@weinerschnitzle.com> from Das Håkenkrüz wrote:
>
> >14/88!
>
> Nazi hillbilly fuckhead.
I called someone who openly professed to hate jews and blacks and other
minorities a nazi the other day. She politely informed me that the
correct term was "Neo-Nazi." I like to be PC. Even when dealing
with...you know...my inferiors.
So...
Matthew Rhodes
König, Prüß, GfbAEV wrote:
> Yeah, @0!
> Yeah, stress, and poor and minorities often live near factories, or a lot of traffic.
>
> Statistical generalities aren't very good because of comparing distributions,
> there is a lot of overlap.
>
> But look at it like this: supposedly less than 1% of genetics accounts for all of the
> differences between individuals. Sounds like not much, but there is a lot of differences
> between individuals. Same with wine, less than 1% accounts for all of the difference
> in color, flavor, etc., but there sure is a lot of difference in wine, especially between
> good wine and bad wine, and I don't be puttin' up with no Mad Dog bullshitz
>
> 14/88!
Neo-Nazi hillbilly fuckhead.
#!0
D. P. Roberts
>two, JACAKSS.
MORON! They are not "crimes" which are actions against another
person. They are violations of statute. IDIOT!
D. P. Roberts
Ke-VAN, with some 4,000,000 pages of "laws" the chances are 99.99%
that you are breaking multiple "laws" THIS VERY MOMENT! You are a
LAWBREAKER!
Matthew Rhodes
Matthew Rhodes wrote:
And, yes, I do feel that I am superior to anyone that hates people because
of race. No, not because I'm some humanity loving individual. I'm pro-hate
actually. I just can't help but feel that people who lack the conviction
to hate everyone on an individual level aren't really up to snuff. It's
real easy to hate someone because of the way that they look. Real easy.
Racism is like the Special Ed. of Hate -- for those kids who just can't
keep up with the rest of the class. I like to hate people for more
particular reasons. It's not very hard to do. I've found that I can
usually find a rather clever reason to hate an individual after 5 minutes
of a conversation usually. And it will never have anything to do with
race.
I suppose there are those that will say that they don't 'hate' members of
different races but, rather, they're just 'superior' to them. If your
life is so insignificant that the only way you can feel superior to
'humans' is by the color of your skin or your 'bloodline'...Well, I hate
you.
Soon,
#!0
"My day will come and you'll still be trapped here in your cage." --
Chemlab
D. P. Roberts
>jaywalking, or oral sex (which are all, in some contexts, crime) are "hate".
They aren't, because they aren't "crimes" -- they are misdemeanors,
petty violations of some puritanical pronouncements, violations of
statutes or regulations, but not "crimes".
Ricky Nielsen
> out for you: it's the N word and the 14/88!
>
Calling folks names on the internet is more or less the same as jacking off
isn't it?>How is it any better for you to call me a Jackass than for someone
else to use the n word?
Ricky Nielsen
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 14:15:53 GMT, "Ricky Nielsen" <ric...@lor.net> from
> Randori News - Now Web Capable! - http://www.randori.com - Get Free
> News! wrote:
>
>
> >Calling folks names on the internet is more or less the same as jacking
off
> >isn't it?
>
>
No one had to tell me that it just makes sense to me jacking off is sex
with oneself no involvement with another Calling someone a name on the
internet when they can't punch you in the nose for it is the same ,no real
satisifaction because there is no interaction. >
> --
> I feel better about world problems now!
> 19 November 2001
>
>
Alliekatt
"Klyf the Not Quite Sane" <blargh3...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tve5j3l...@corp.supernews.com...
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 17:36:11 -0700, Kevan wrote:
> > You don't get to define words OR tell me what I think, nazi boy. Here's
> > "my" definition of racism:
> >
> > racism
> > 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or
> > ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Well, what if socioeconomic self-limitation within black communities
accounts for higher crime, drug addiction, and dependency after civil
rights? Is making an OBVIOUS AND FACTUAL DISTINCTION racism? The EFFECT of
BEING BORN INTO that race's CULTURE, accounts for differences in character
and a high degree of personal failure. NOBODY will argue that the projects
are a nice place to live, and NOBODY will argue with the fact that ALL OF
THEM can get their ASSES OUT OF THE PROJECTS and GO TO SCHOOL or GET A JOB
because SCHOOL AND JOBS ARE READILY AVAILABLE for ALL OF THEM. BUT INSTEAD,
a lot of them BECAUSE OF CULTURAL PEER PRESSURE sit on their ASSES and HATE
WHITE PEOPLE for BUILDING THE DAMN PROJECTS in the FIRST PLACE.
And if I lived in Belfast I'd be pissing on the Catholics who would rather
burn tires and get piss drunk instead of get educated and use the English
system against the English. Stupid gits. Catholic, ex-slave, doesn't
matter, they're both telling each other to stay victims and stay on the
ground crying. It takes more strength to get up on my own, refuse to be a
victim, and kick the whiny-ass gameplayers in the face on the way out for
attracting the vampires of the opposite team, THEN kick the vampires, and
bugger off with my stick GLEEFULLY stuck in both of their backs. Ulster
Unionist, Neo-Nazi, whatever, same thing, just a fuckin' vampire.
> You, and the other whiny liberals cry "Racism, Racism" incessantly,
> forgetting that by doing so, you TOO are making a point of pigeonholing
> people based on skin color, which is the most basic form of racism there
> is. If you were truly not racist, you wouldn't give a flying fuck about
> what the hell color people are. Myself, rather than worry about
> them-there Mexicans, Blacks, etc, I divide people into three different
> categories: Assholes, Not-Assholes, and people who I haven't decided
> whether or not are assholes (that is, people I've never met).
And then, there is Definite Asshole But For Some Damn Reason I Like Her
Anyway. *raises hand*
>
> > 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
I discriminate against trash. White trash wear biker jackets, are missing
teeth, and play with guns a lot. Black trash wear basketball jackets, have
gold teeth, and play with guns a lot. So those races have their trademark
trash markers, so what. One will talk to me because I'm their color, and
the other will rape me because I'm not. That's life. I'll make friends
with one and avoid the other, but I'll be DAMNED if I'm going to waste my
time trying to change EITHER. That's a SCHOOL'S responsibility, and the
GOVERNMENT's responsibility is to BURN EYESORES, be them projects or trailer
parks.
>
> Hence your constant bagging on the white people in here. Your ignorant
> whining about Nazi-this, Nazi-that begins to annoy. There are several
> other racist groups that will have little or nothing to do with the
> Neo-Nazis--the Aryan Nation, Black Panthers, etc.
Slack Vampires, the lot.
alliekatt
König Prüß, GfbAEV
One kind of person that I'm having a lot of difficulty with lately:
There's this one guy who seems to think that I should value his opinion;
he's free about telling me, "There's some things that I like and some things
that I don't like." I would value his opinion if he had any experience or had
actually ever accomplished anything in this life. But like he fancies himself
a bit of an expert on the good things in life, and drinks cheap California wine,
not that there's anything wrong with that, but he's telling me that good champagne
comes from Upstate NY, and he's never heard of Dom P. He's like talking about
jam sessions and recording studios all the time, but he also refuses to tune his
to any particular key, claiming that he's [laying music that no one's ever played
before. He also has pretensions of being an artist and will spend a lot to paint
a picture that he can't sell for twenty bucks. I try to encourage him to go to galleries
and talk to other artists, but he claims that he is painting abstract. I try to explain
that like with his music, first you learn it well, then improvise; not freeform because
he's too fucking nigger lazy to dig into it.
So, too, there's this woman whom I hadn't seen in a few years. She did nothing
with her life, is entirely superficial and shallow. It's with everything, not just wine.
But you know wine descriptors? I try to get her to think about them, and she's
entirely OK with I like it or I don't like it. Again, if there were any breadth of experience,
I would value this opinion, but her entire wine strategy is, is it cheap (if she's buying)
and does it have a purdy label.
One theory that I have about this is parallel to a study that I read where about
70% of people in general listen to loud music, but if it gets TOO loud, they have
an automatic internal turn-off mechanism. About 30% of people, the louder it gets,
the more input they get. Maybe that's a parallel, or maybe there is no point much
in even talking to people who are not at least in the 30th centile.
One time I was in a planning seminar in college, and there was this inner city black guy
talking about how he wanted to study photography. So, the professor asked him where
he was going to get a camera. The black dude says, "You gonna gimme one."
Even the other niggers laughed at him.
A lot of this stupid shit is probably cultural, but there is some linkage between
gene pools and culture; I shouldn't have to explain this shit.
Telling everyone that they are all the same and all equal and all have the same chance
is a big damned lie and not a favor to anyone.
Oh! There's a study that's pretty funny.
They asked different intelligence ranges to rate themselves as to where they were
on the curve, and people in the upper end of the curve were fairly accurate about
knowing where they were at, but people in the bottom 12% rated themselves at about
60%, better than average! Dumb people are SO dumb that they don't know how dumb
they really are!
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html
Chas. M. Bee
>
> http://www.newnation.com/NNN-wichita.html
Personally, I believe drive-bys should be pursued according to the
new anti-terrorist legislation. That's what they are, after all.
Chas. M. Bee
>
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 07:53:11 GMT, in...@montoya.net (D. P. Roberts) from
> EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.newnation.com/NNN-wichita.html
> >>
> >>"Prosecutors declined to charge the Carrs with a hate crime, saying no
> >>evidence exists to indicate race was a motivation for the killings."
> >
> >Of COURSE it was motivation. Wake up, Kevan me boy. That news wasn't
> >disseminated very far. The local media certainly didn't cover it.
> >That makes them racist.
>
> So, you're in agreement with a bunch of lunatic white supremacists,
> despite the fact that an official representing the community says "no
> evidence exists to indicate race was a motivation for the killings." OK,
> fine, we know where you stand -- foursquare with the assholes.
I'd agree with Satan himself if he was speaking the truth. Wouldn't you?
Or would you buy a lie from the hot bikini babe standing by door
number three?
If you're going to troll, you should learn your logical fallacies.
Right now, you're just another boring session of target practice.
Chas. M. Bee
>
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 08:29:11 GMT, in...@montoya.net (D. P. Roberts) from> >>I love PONTIACS. If I feed the cat can I drive KATRINKA?
> >
> >I'm surprised Kevan would have that in a sig. Everyone knows PONTIAC
> >stands for "Poor Old N***** Thinks It's A Cadillac" -- he must be a
> >RACIST!
>
> You sure are grasping at straws trying to bait me.
Judging by the rest of the NG, you seem to have the shoe on the wrong
foot, son.
The funny thing is, he succeeded - as will I.
Chas. M. Bee
Not so much - in fact, he's merely wrong. 1% genetic difference
exists between humans and chimpanzees. Typical race variation in Homo
Sap is around .1%. Truly negligible, with social, educational and other
factors being equal.
Once everyone is raised, educated and employed by the world
government or some other standardizing institution, then, and only then,
will we know if there are any genetic differences between ethnic groups
worth talking about.
I don't see that happening anytime before July 5, if you get my
meaning. But preliminary results point to a big NO.
John Starrett
<snip>
> Calling folks names on the internet is more or less the same as jacking off
> isn't it?
I don't know. Idiot. Oh....., Oh......, OH GOD! YES! Yes! Unnnngh.
Ahhhhhh. Yup. Just about the same.
JS
D. P. Roberts
>
>"ALL CRIME IS HATE ...."
All crime is hate. Robbery is hate, battery is hate, rape is hate.
You got a problem with that, MORON?
St. Marc the Perpetually Amused
"Chas. M. Bee" <c-b...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:3BF97D98...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu...
In a typical fission explosion somewhere around that much of the mass of the
fissile material is converted to energy. Small numbers can add up to big
differences. The absolute size of a difference is usually not that
important.
> Once everyone is raised, educated and employed by the world
> government or some other standardizing institution, then, and only then,
> will we know if there are any genetic differences between ethnic groups
> worth talking about.
>
> I don't see that happening anytime before July 5, if you get my
> meaning. But preliminary results point to a big NO.
An interesting statement. Would you, or would you not, agree with the
proposition that the extremes in any given subgroup are more diverse than
subgroups themselves?
If you do, I would refer you to this site:
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/
and particularly this article:
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/blackathlete.htm
If the gross physiological differences between subgroups (and even
*subgroups* of subgroups) can produce such profound variation, on what basis
would you argue that subtle physiological differences at the *neural* level
might not produce variations in aptitudes which are equally profound?
Although, honestly, the differences wouldn't have to be anything like as
large with regard to mental aptitudes to be significant.
I myself try to keep an open mind - which is difficult, considering that I
hate pretty much *all* humans. But I used to think as you do - that it's all
cultural, if we all had a good education we'd all be the same, etc, etc.
Well, hogwash. Racial tendencies aside, some people are morons, some people
are geniuses. Education is wasted on morons. (I am not here using moron in
its technical sense, but rather as a mildly perjorative reference to people
of below-average intelligence.) Headstart programs are wasted on morons.
Affirmative action is wasted on morons.
I really don't care if you're a moron because people of your race tend to be
morons compared to other races, or because your mother drank too much while
you were gestating, or because Goddess was in a bad mood the
time-infinitesimal you were conceived. If you are, you are. Don't blame me
because I'm not and I can get a job you're not qualified to do. ("Not"
relatively speaking, of course. I myself wanted to be an astronaut and/or a
physicist. I don't fit the criteria. Compared to such people, *I* am
inferior. Tough noogies.)
One can argue, of course, that cultural differences, not physical ones, are
what make the difference. However, I would say you're not really answering
the question. If their cultures produce inferior specimens, people who are
members of those cultures would seem to have been self-selected for
inferiority. This makes just as much logical sense as saying it makes no
difference whatsoever. Only data can really answer the question, and most
data I've seen indicate that your (and my former) position is incorrect.
St. Marc
Chas. M. Bee
No it's not. A lot of crime is greed. Why would someone out for
money bother to hate their victim? Seems like a lot of wasted mental
prep to me. =)
Chas. M. Bee
Yes, right on the money. But Konig was making a comparison using
incorrect values, and thinking that his resulting 1/1 ratio was
significant. Actual ratio = 1/10.
>
> > Once everyone is raised, educated and employed by the world
> > government or some other standardizing institution, then, and only then,
> > will we know if there are any genetic differences between ethnic groups
> > worth talking about.
> >
> > I don't see that happening anytime before July 5, if you get my
> > meaning. But preliminary results point to a big NO.
>
> An interesting statement. Would you, or would you not, agree with the
> proposition that the extremes in any given subgroup are more diverse than
> subgroups themselves?
>
> If you do, I would refer you to this site:
>
> http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/
>
> and particularly this article:
>
> http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/blackathlete.htm
>
> If the gross physiological differences between subgroups (and even
> *subgroups* of subgroups) can produce such profound variation, on what basis
> would you argue that subtle physiological differences at the *neural* level
> might not produce variations in aptitudes which are equally profound?
I don't - I just argue that the jury is out. Your article does not
sufficiently weed out other variables. At any rate, for a comparison to
have merit in public policy, it has to be rooted in mental differences,
not physical ones, right?
I suppose if I have to I could claim that it doesn't take a lot of
genetic predisposition to make a better sprinter, but I don't really know.
I do know this - one time I saw a 5 foot tall black guy at a checkout
counter. Not only had he compensated by building a body of hard muscle
as wide as a Schwartzenegger, but he was intolerably rude to everyone in
the store. I've always suspected, though I have no proof, that there's
a lot of physical peer pressure to be a good fighter back in the hood.
Which, of course, is societal - none of that in the article.
> Although, honestly, the differences wouldn't have to be anything like as
> large with regard to mental aptitudes to be significant.
IIRC, we don't really know that yet. Apparently the brain lays
appropriate neural pathways through just about anything, given a chance.
We do seem to know that blacks have around an 8% deficit on
standardized IQ tests (the ideological furor is ongoing) - but that's
well within the range to be labeled societal, in the absence of other
evidence. It also is dwarfed by intraethnic variations.
>
> I myself try to keep an open mind - which is difficult, considering that I
> hate pretty much *all* humans. But I used to think as you do - that it's all
> cultural, if we all had a good education we'd all be the same, etc, etc.
I don't think that's completely true - though it's an easy mistake to
make considering my verbiage. I just think we should act like it's true
as much as possible, as good manners if nothing else. =)
> Well, hogwash. Racial tendencies aside, some people are morons, some people
> are geniuses. Education is wasted on morons. (I am not here using moron in
> its technical sense, but rather as a mildly perjorative reference to people
> of below-average intelligence.) Headstart programs are wasted on morons.
> Affirmative action is wasted on morons.
Not if it significantly betters their life outcomes - which it
obviously does. Perhaps 'inappropriate for'?
>
> I really don't care if you're a moron because people of your race tend to be
> morons compared to other races, or because your mother drank too much while
> you were gestating, or because Goddess was in a bad mood the
> time-infinitesimal you were conceived. If you are, you are. Don't blame me
> because I'm not and I can get a job you're not qualified to do. ("Not"
> relatively speaking, of course. I myself wanted to be an astronaut and/or a
> physicist. I don't fit the criteria. Compared to such people, *I* am
> inferior. Tough noogies.)
But many people think it's important, and want to enact draconian
measures based on it.
>
> One can argue, of course, that cultural differences, not physical ones, are
> what make the difference. However, I would say you're not really answering
> the question. If their cultures produce inferior specimens, people who are
> members of those cultures would seem to have been self-selected for
> inferiority. This makes just as much logical sense as saying it makes no
> difference whatsoever. Only data can really answer the question, and most
> data I've seen indicate that your (and my former) position is incorrect.
Hopefully I've explained my position a bit better now. But please
feel free to continue - you're one of the more intelligible voices in
here, and I'm currently watching a couple of yahoogroups advertised as
for eugenics discussions but instead full of "racial realists", who
despite their title delight in pointing up every fantasy-based race
article they can get away with. =)
nu-monet
Smoking marijuana is hate. Trespassing is hate.
Shoplifting is hate. Violating SEC regulations is
hate. Disobeying a court injunction prohibiting the
display of excessive and gaudy lawn gnomes in violation
of Homeowner's Association regulations is hate.
Sodomy is hate in a bunch of States.
These would make some bitchin' bumper stickers.
--
&
"nu-monet is right. No one is safe."
&
*Real* freedom of speech is only meaningful when
it protects speech you *agree* with, but that is
said by a speaker who fucks it up so incredibly
much that you want to savagely beat him.
&
Alliekatt
"Alliekatt" <alley...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Pm0K7.2046$%y5.1...@typhoon1.gnilink.net...
> The very same DoJ report you use, puts out the percentage of white female
> rape victims as something like 82% and black victims as 24%. But then the
> report wisely relocates the demographic information on the offenders,
> stating 52% of all rape offenders as being white. The victim profile
> follows logical population distribution, but the offender demographics
> sharply differ from it. By that mathematical profile, nonwhite offenders
> not only take care of the black victim population, but also about 26% of
the
> white victim population. What's up with that?
Whoops, I suck at math. 26 out of 82 is closer to 30%.
RLan538885
The most dangerous animal in the United States is the white male from the deep,
deep south. I offer the following for your consideration.....
http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/9293/Oct26_92/27.htm
"100,000 lemmings can't be wrong"
Unclaimed Mysteries
"RLan538885" <rlan5...@aol.comnobozos> wrote in message
news:20011119202819...@mb-fs.aol.com...
> >What's up with that?
>
> The most dangerous animal in the United States is the white male from the
deep,
> deep south. I offer the following for your consideration.....
>
> http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/9293/Oct26_92/27.htm
I resent this hate-speech article and object to your stereotyping me as
violent. And if you try it again I'll come up there and beat the crap out of
you. Now get off my land.
Corry
--
It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net
"We have to get away from the ethos that knowledge is good, knowledge should
be publicly available, that information will liberate us." - University of
Pennsylvania bioethicist Arthur Caplan (LATIMES.COM 11/18/2001).
RLan538885
>violent. And if you try it again I'll come up there and beat the crap out of
>you. Now get off my land.
Sheep herder!
König Prüß, GfbAEV
>On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:30:12 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
>
>Only in your depraved little Nazi mind, Koenig.
So, you're saying that there is no linkage between being Chinese and being Oriental?
No connection between being African and being Black?
Being Native American and being an Indian?
I'll even go one farther, there is linkage between geographic areas, cultures, and gene pools.
Disregard the above, and just post your usual little dog barkings about the 14/88! part.
Unless you want to tell me that there aren't any Chinese in China, then go right ahead on.
14/88!
John Starrett
I only steal from those that I love.
JS
John Starrett
<snip>
> >All crime is hate. Robbery is hate, battery is hate, rape is hate.
> >You got a problem with that, MORON?
>
>
> 1) smoking pot
> 2) jaywalking
> 3) oral sex
>
> Where's the hate in those crimes, word weasel?
<snip>
1) smoking pot --- hate that wide awake feeling
2) jaywalking --- hate to walk all the way to the crosswalk
3) oral sex --- hate to get her pregnant
JS
Arbane the Terrible
> I know what you mean. Every time I see white victim of
> a black violent criminal on the 6 o'clock news, I think,
> wow, according to DoJ statistics, that's FOUR MORE white
> victims of white violent criminals. And I gotta drive
> through white neighborhoods to get to the grocery store.
And nine more black victims of black violent criminals, IIRC.
--
"Remember,the plural of 'moron' is 'focus group'."
-- James A. Wolf
Arbane the Terrible
> Well, with your whining for reparations, are you not thus implying that
> the reparations are owed from the superior in a terribly misguided
> RobinHood-esque scheme to "level the playing field"?
I dunno. Looking at the socio-economic layout of this country, one does
get the feeling that while tyhe playing field might be level, one team has
cinderblocks tied to their ankles.
But that goes for poor white folks, too. It's economics, not genetics,
that allow 4% of the people (mostly pasty folks who all know each other) to
control 90% of the wealth.
> Hence your constant bagging on the white people in here. Your ignorant
> whining about Nazi-this, Nazi-that begins to annoy. There are several
> other racist groups that will have little or nothing to do with the
> Neo-Nazis--the Aryan Nation, Black Panthers, etc.
Come to think of this, shouldn't KevAn have 'lost' every argument he and
Konig have been in? Remember, the first one to mention Nazis loses...
Don't forget Louis Farrakhan and his Nation of Islam dingbats, who believe
that the Evil White Folks were bio-engineered back in the Suppressed
History...
Arbane the Terrible
> that ALL OF THEM can get their ASSES OUT OF THE PROJECTS and GO TO SCHOOL
> or GET A JOB
> because SCHOOL AND JOBS ARE READILY AVAILABLE for ALL OF THEM.
Weeellll....as a melanin-deficient individual who's been out of work for
the last 10 months, I dunno about the 'jobs are readily available' part.
Admittedly, I'm picky, lazy, middle-class, _and_ a SubGenius, so the
prospect of spending 10 hours a day working at Burgertory to make the rent
doesn't much appeal to me.
Another few months and I'm sure I'll be grateful for whatever demeaning
idiot labor the Conspiracy deems to shovel my way, but until then, I'll
stick to collecting Unemployment checks while I search for a job with a
good time/money ratio.
> Slack Vampires, the lot.
Amen to THAT, sistah.
König Prüß, GfbAEV
>On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 02:37:37 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV>>Kevan escrivened:
>>>On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 18:30:12 GMT, König Prüß, GfbAEV
>>><saur...@weinerschnitzle.com> from Das Håkenkrüz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> A lot of this stupid shit is probably cultural, but there is some linkage between
>>>>gene pools and culture .....
>>>
>>>Only in your depraved little Nazi mind, Koenig.
>>
>> So, you're saying that there is no linkage between being Chinese and being Oriental?
>
>Japanese culture is as far from Chinese culture as American culture is.
>
>> No connection between being African and being Black?
>
>which genetic link, nazi boy?
>
>> Being Native American and being an Indian?
>
>
>> I'll even go one farther, there is linkage between geographic areas, cultures, and gene pools.
>
>you're making up.
>
Yes, you are a nut. You only ague my point for me. Bantus have a homeland,
are Southwestern, Japanese live in Japan. And I'm not making this shit up!
Where's my evidence? Ha! Where's your head, up yer ass?
14/88!
König Prüß, GfbAEV
Yeah, and Calypso Louie Hisself said Hitler was a great man! So, 88's and 33 and a thirds!
Unclaimed Mysteries
"RLan538885" <rlan5...@aol.comnobozos> wrote in message
Why isn't this cross-posted to alt.thought.southern?
--
It Came From C. L. Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net
Willie <wil...@waylonsplace.net> wrote in alabama.sports.auburn: "Because I
know your THE AUTHORITY."
Ricky Nielsen
"Kevan" <cut...@shreve.net> wrote in message
news:145jvtot5aj4k4l2s...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:45:25 GMT, "Ricky Nielsen" <ric...@lor.net> from
> Randori News - Now Web Capable! - http://www.randori.com - Get Free
> News! wrote:
>
>
> >No one had to tell me that it just makes sense to me jacking off is sex
> >with oneself no involvement with another Calling someone a name on the
> >internet when they can't punch you in the nose for it is the same ,no
real
> >satisifaction because there is no interaction.
>
> OK, I'm having trouble deciphering that horrid writing, but it seems to
> me you're saying you can't get any real satisfaction unless you hit
> someone in the nose. Are you in therapy?
No I get no satisfaction from calling someone a name unless they have the
option of hitting me in the nose.If they cannot take action at me for it; it
is just jacking off. It all comes down to personal involvment. clear
enough? why is it no one else on the internet has any trouble understanding
me except you? And why no answer to my other query? why is it ok for you to
call me a JACKASS when you take so much offense at others for using the n
word?>
> --
> YOW!! I'm in a very clever and adorable INSANE ASYLUM!!
> 19 November 2001
>
>
RLan538885
>
Because I don't want to be lynched by a bunch of Bubba's.
König Prüß, GfbAEV
>On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 05:22:04 GMT, "Ricky Nielsen" <ric...@lor.net> from
>Randori News - Now Web Capable! - http://www.randori.com - Get Free
>News! wrote:
>
>
>>No I get no satisfaction from calling someone a name unless they have the
>>option of hitting me in the nose.
>
>
>>why is it ok for you to
>>call me a JACKASS when you take so much offense at others for using the n
>>word?
>
Jackassophobic turd!
14/88!
D. P. Roberts
>evidence exists to indicate race was a motivation for the killings.
Were you there? Did you hear what the murderers said as they killed
their victims?
D. P. Roberts
In Independence, Missouri, the city council recently passed a "law"
making it "illegal" for street corner vendors to set up those stands
and sell things like tomatoes and those wonderful sunglasses.
Now, if someone does set up such a stand -- even with the permission
of the business-owner -- are they committing a crime?
D. P. Roberts
>
>1) smoking pot
>2) jaywalking
>3) oral sex
As I have pointed out, and maybe I should type slower so you can
understand -- those are not crimes, they are violations of statute and
regulation. To further show that you are wrong, they are not even
violations of statute in all locations.
D. P. Roberts
>>their victims?
>
The survivor initially said the murderers shouted racial epithets.
According to all the liberals who are so much smarter than I, that
makes it a hate crime.
Nyaah.
Ricky Nielsen
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 05:22:04 GMT, "Ricky Nielsen" <ric...@lor.net> from
> Randori News - Now Web Capable! - http://www.randori.com - Get Free
> News! wrote:
>
>
> >No I get no satisfaction from calling someone a name unless they have the
>
> I *always" have that option.
How so? your over the computer, if I call you a name you can't do anything
to me that is what makes it jacking off >
> >why is it ok for you to
> >call me a JACKASS when you take so much offense at others for using the n
> >word?
>
> Because jackass is a racist epithet, JACKASS.
Assuming that you meant to type ISN'T what makes any name calling ok? it is
hate speech regardless. making you somewhat of a hypocrite.
>
>
> --
> Yow! Did something bad happen or am I in a drive-in movie??
> 20 November 2001
>
St. Marc the Perpetually Amused
> "St. Marc the Perpetually Amused" wrote:
> > In a typical fission explosion somewhere around that much of the mass of
the
> > fissile material is converted to energy. Small numbers can add up to big
> > differences. The absolute size of a difference is usually not that
> > important.
>
> Yes, right on the money. But Konig was making a comparison using
> incorrect values, and thinking that his resulting 1/1 ratio was
> significant. Actual ratio = 1/10.
Oh. You were just nitpicking. That's all right, then. Carry on. *smile*
To clarify, *I* didn't write the article. I just pointed it out. I'd be
interested to know what other variables you think the article doesn't
address. The statement:
"No white has ever run a 100m in less than 10 seconds. At least 30 blacks
have."
if true, would seem to be a very, very powerful indication, other variables
be damned. With the millions of dollars we spend on training, with the
thousands of dedicated athletes of all races who train at the sport, NO
white has ever managed this. THIRTY blacks have. That is a statistical
discrepancy the size of the Sears Tower.
As far as your last statement, logically that means that the Americans with
Disabilities act should only apply to the mentally handicapped. Bell curves
have two ends: you have to compare both ends if you want a true comparison
of the populations. Should I be able to enter the sprints at the Penn Relays
and be entitled to a headstart the size of the average statistical
difference between white times and black times? No? Then why should the same
logic apply to mental aptitudes, and jobs be given to those who are less
qualified for them, even if it's not their "fault" that they're less
qualified?
> I suppose if I have to I could claim that it doesn't take a lot of
> genetic predisposition to make a better sprinter, but I don't really know.
I *am* claiming that - even the tiny genetic differences which define racial
body types are enough to cause these *massive* statistical discrepancies in
performance. And, as I said, if they can do that on the physical level, it's
logical to assume that they could do it on the mental level. It's not proof:
it's possibility.
> I do know this - one time I saw a 5 foot tall black guy at a checkout
> counter. Not only had he compensated by building a body of hard muscle
> as wide as a Schwartzenegger, but he was intolerably rude to everyone in
> the store. I've always suspected, though I have no proof, that there's
> a lot of physical peer pressure to be a good fighter back in the hood.
> Which, of course, is societal - none of that in the article.
The point of the article is that in certain kinds of running, certain racial
types have such overwhelming advantages that no other racial type can
realistically compete. It doesn't *matter* that a white sprinter can be
pretty damn fast, or that a black person can be a bodybuilder. What matters
is that *statistically,* black people - and only certain types of them, at
that - are going to dominate certain sports, period. White people are going
to dominate certain other sports, period. This is a statistical certainty.
It has nothing to do with societal pressures or cultural traditions except
when those things influence selection.
Suppose the KKK were to recieve a billion-dollar bequest tomorrow, and
decided to use part of it to establish a foundation to show the superiority
of the white athlete. Absent use of steroids or other performance enhancers,
do you think that they could produce a large class of white athletes which
would dominate all sports, including the ones which black athletes now
dominate?
I don't. Racial differences are real, and no matter how much money you throw
at them, they are not all surmountable. Whether that applies to mental
differences as well as physical differences, I don't know for sure, but at
this time I think that at some level it does.
> > Although, honestly, the differences wouldn't have to be anything like as
> > large with regard to mental aptitudes to be significant.
>
> IIRC, we don't really know that yet. Apparently the brain lays
> appropriate neural pathways through just about anything, given a chance.
If the brain were this wonder-organ that anecdotal and isolated indicators
seem to say it is (like the trick with the upside-down glasses) then we'd
all be geniuses. We're not. Its ability to rewire itself is in some ways
quite limited - and just a tiny difference in limits can make a huge
difference in aptitudes.
> We do seem to know that blacks have around an 8% deficit on
> standardized IQ tests (the ideological furor is ongoing) - but that's
> well within the range to be labeled societal, in the absence of other
> evidence. It also is dwarfed by intraethnic variations.
The figure I usually hear is one standard deviation. Currently, that
averages out to about 15 IQ points. That doesn't sound like much, but in a
highly technical and technological society, it means the brass ring is just
too high to reach. 15 IQ points is nothing at average levels, but when
dealing with top research and business positions, it's the difference
between getting the job and being an also-ran.
I don't know if it's true: I don't write and administer IQ tests, nor do I
collate the results of them. All I can go by is what I read. But the dispute
doesn't seem to be so much what the numbers are as why they are that way or
why it's not important.
> > I myself try to keep an open mind - which is difficult, considering that
I
> > hate pretty much *all* humans. But I used to think as you do - that it's
all
> > cultural, if we all had a good education we'd all be the same, etc, etc.
>
> I don't think that's completely true - though it's an easy mistake to
> make considering my verbiage. I just think we should act like it's true
> as much as possible, as good manners if nothing else. =)
It's how I act when I interact with people socially, but it tends to get me
into trouble, as I just act as if everybody were as intelligent as I, and
everybody accuses me of being patronizing. We all have our little burdens to
bear.
> > Well, hogwash. Racial tendencies aside, some people are morons, some
people
> > are geniuses. Education is wasted on morons. (I am not here using moron
in
> > its technical sense, but rather as a mildly perjorative reference to
people
> > of below-average intelligence.) Headstart programs are wasted on morons.
> > Affirmative action is wasted on morons.
>
> Not if it significantly betters their life outcomes - which it
> obviously does. Perhaps 'inappropriate for'?
It would significantly better *my* life outcome if everybody was forced to
send me half their paychecks each week. (Which is, in essence, what our
government does anyway, just more diffusely.) If you're talking about
charity, call it charity. Don't call it affirmative action.
> > I really don't care if you're a moron because people of your race tend
to be
> > morons compared to other races, or because your mother drank too much
while
> > you were gestating, or because Goddess was in a bad mood the
> > time-infinitesimal you were conceived. If you are, you are. Don't blame
me
> > because I'm not and I can get a job you're not qualified to do. ("Not"
> > relatively speaking, of course. I myself wanted to be an astronaut
and/or a
> > physicist. I don't fit the criteria. Compared to such people, *I* am
> > inferior. Tough noogies.)
>
> But many people think it's important, and want to enact draconian
> measures based on it.
I don't want to enact draconian measures based on it: I want to unenact the
draconian measures that purport to address it.
Tesla Coil
> Okay, I tried not to use the nasty old Southern Ace that
> is the Rape card.
>
> The very same DoJ report you use, puts out the percentage
> of white female rape victims as something like 82% and
> black victims as 24%. But then the report wisely relocates
> the demographic information on the offenders, stating 52%
> of all rape offenders as being white. The victim profile
> follows logical population distribution, but the offender
> demographics sharply differ from it. By that mathematical
> profile, nonwhite offenders not only take care of the black
> victim population, but also about 26% of the white victim
I'd say that there were 97,460 forcible rapes reported
to police in 1995, that there were 34,650 arrests, and
that you are looking at the demographics of those who
were arrested, who went to trial, who were convicted
on those charges, and who were sentenced to prison--in
the absence of a majority who were not arrested, were
arrested on lesser charges, didn't go to trial, were
not convicted, were convicted on lesser charges, and
received lighter sentences.
And law enforcement agencies indicated that about 8%
of forcible rapes reported to them were determined as
unfounded and were excluded from that count of crimes.
That's 105,934 reported forcible rapes--before nearly
1 in 12 women were determined not credible. 34,650
arrests, still more opportunities for the woman to be
determined not credible, or be persuaded to accept
that the offender receive a lesser charge or penalty.
Now, you report being raped by a white male, you want
the legal system to play your nasty old Southern Rape
card in another suit? "We don't wanna ruin a good ol'
boy's reputation unnecessarily..."
Go ahead and convince me. I might be on your jury.
Anti Pope Lupus of SI
> > Yeti. Sure. Whatever.
> >
Kevan, you get a Giant Dipshit Award every time you post something
like this. You are the greatest dumbshit I have ever known. If only
because there is no possible reason I can even fathom why you would be
here other than the fact that, by your own hypocritical dogma, you are
a self-proclaimed bullshit artist of the highest degree.
Yours Truly,
-APLY
Chas. M. Bee
>
> On Mon, 19 Nov 2001 13:46:55 -0600, "Chas. M. Bee"
> <c-b...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> from University of Illinois at
> Urbana-Champaign wrote:
>
> >Kevan wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 07:53:11 GMT, in...@montoya.net (D. P. Roberts) from
> >> EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>http://www.newnation.com/NNN-wichita.html
> >> >>
> >> >>"Prosecutors declined to charge the Carrs with a hate crime, saying no
> >> >>evidence exists to indicate race was a motivation for the killings."
> >> >
> >> >disseminated very far. The local media certainly didn't cover it.
> >> >That makes them racist.
> >>
> >> So, you're in agreement with a bunch of lunatic white supremacists,
> >> despite the fact that an official representing the community says "no
> >> evidence exists to indicate race was a motivation for the killings." OK,
> >> fine, we know where you stand -- foursquare with the assholes.
> >
> >
> > I'd agree with Satan himself if he was speaking the truth. Wouldn't you?
>
> Prosecutors declined to charge the Carrs with a hate crime, saying no
> evidence exists to indicate race was a motivation for the killings.
Proves absolutely nothing.
Chas. M. Bee
>
> Tesla Coil wrote:
>
> > I know what you mean. Every time I see white victim of
> > a black violent criminal on the 6 o'clock news, I think,
> > wow, according to DoJ statistics, that's FOUR MORE white
> > victims of white violent criminals. And I gotta drive
> > through white neighborhoods to get to the grocery store.
>
> And nine more black victims of black violent criminals, IIRC.
>
I was living in an apartment on campus here when we had a rash of
groups of young black men coming south a few blocks to my neighborhood
after dark to gang up on and beat the shit out of white males and
couples. This went on for several months, and it turned out we had a
"citizen's panel discussion" about the issue on our local PBS station.
Thus, I ran audio for it.
That's when I found out that this was called "wilding", a rite of
passage for young black males, and that we targets are referred to as
"polar bears". At least around here - but I think I've seen this in the
media somewhere else as well.
I think it was when the main local female black head of the YMCA (a
big activist hangout here, she was their main na"Bob") said that this
WAS NOT RACISM that I resolved to move out to the country.
That was five years ago, and they're still doing it. Many have been
hospitalized for weeks or months. Luckily, I'm gone.
Chas. M. Bee
>
> "Chas. M. Bee" <c-b...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
> news:3BF994D2...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu...
> > "St. Marc the Perpetually Amused" wrote:
> > > In a typical fission explosion somewhere around that much of the mass of
> the
> > > fissile material is converted to energy. Small numbers can add up to big
> > > differences. The absolute size of a difference is usually not that
> > > important.
> >
> > Yes, right on the money. But Konig was making a comparison using
> > incorrect values, and thinking that his resulting 1/1 ratio was
> > significant. Actual ratio = 1/10.
>
> Oh. You were just nitpicking. That's all right, then. Carry on. *smile*
Not really a nit - it destroyed that argument.
Sure, but on a very minor point of behavior. Sprinting ability
simply isn't a good indication of ethnic worth. Mind you, I do *not*
deny that race exists or that it is unimportant, as some academics do -
sickle cell anemia sufferers were proof enough for me back in the
sixties. I'm just saying that it's not the proper drive for public
policy, and that it's not the real cause of our current social mess.
>
> As far as your last statement, logically that means that the Americans with
> Disabilities act should only apply to the mentally handicapped.
Then I should have qualified it further, you're right. Do you think
it or something like it might hold true if applied to the kind of
remedies "racial realists" often propose - relocation or other legal
means of separation? I should think that a factual danger should exist
for such measures to be appropriate, and I think what I was getting at
is that such is not going to be found in anatomical studies.
> Bell curves
> have two ends: you have to compare both ends if you want a true comparison
> of the populations. Should I be able to enter the sprints at the Penn Relays
> and be entitled to a headstart the size of the average statistical
> difference between white times and black times?
Oh, probably.
> No? Then why should the same
> logic apply to mental aptitudes, and jobs be given to those who are less
> qualified for them, even if it's not their "fault" that they're less
> qualified?
They shouldn't. Everyone should compete fairly. I do go for
educational handouts, though.
>
> > I suppose if I have to I could claim that it doesn't take a lot of
> > genetic predisposition to make a better sprinter, but I don't really know.
>
> I *am* claiming that - even the tiny genetic differences which define racial
> body types are enough to cause these *massive* statistical discrepancies in
> performance.
Sprinting, massive? I may need to go back and see what the actual
times were, as opposed to whether they break an arbitrary barrier or
not. Even so, I consider it something of a side issue.
It does, just not at a significant level. You'll never hear me say
that there are no racial differences per se - I just argue as to their
applicability. =)
>
> > > Although, honestly, the differences wouldn't have to be anything like as
> > > large with regard to mental aptitudes to be significant.
> >
> > IIRC, we don't really know that yet. Apparently the brain lays
> > appropriate neural pathways through just about anything, given a chance.
>
> If the brain were this wonder-organ that anecdotal and isolated indicators
> seem to say it is (like the trick with the upside-down glasses) then we'd
> all be geniuses. We're not. Its ability to rewire itself is in some ways
> quite limited - and just a tiny difference in limits can make a huge
> difference in aptitudes.
I'm talking strictly about the initial wiring.
>
> > We do seem to know that blacks have around an 8% deficit on
> > standardized IQ tests (the ideological furor is ongoing) - but that's
> > well within the range to be labeled societal, in the absence of other
> > evidence. It also is dwarfed by intraethnic variations.
>
> The figure I usually hear is one standard deviation. Currently, that
> averages out to about 15 IQ points. That doesn't sound like much, but in a
> highly technical and technological society, it means the brass ring is just
> too high to reach. 15 IQ points is nothing at average levels, but when
> dealing with top research and business positions, it's the difference
> between getting the job and being an also-ran.
Depending, of course, on drive, ethics, responsibility, learning
strategies, networking, social class...
I don't really believe in affirmative action - I was mostly referring
to education, including Head Start. Cops say that Head Start
significantly reduces later criminal behavior, BTW.
>
> > > I really don't care if you're a moron because people of your race tend
> to be
> > > morons compared to other races, or because your mother drank too much
> while
> > > you were gestating, or because Goddess was in a bad mood the
> > > time-infinitesimal you were conceived. If you are, you are. Don't blame
> me
> > > because I'm not and I can get a job you're not qualified to do. ("Not"
> > > relatively speaking, of course. I myself wanted to be an astronaut
> and/or a
> > > physicist. I don't fit the criteria. Compared to such people, *I* am
> > > inferior. Tough noogies.)
> >
> > But many people think it's important, and want to enact draconian
> > measures based on it.
>
> I don't want to enact draconian measures based on it: I want to unenact the
> draconian measures that purport to address it.
Heh, I'd rather just force companies to hire the minority AND the
best performer! =)))) Besides, I don't really consider AA draconian -
but then I've never suffered for it either...
Chas. M. Bee
>
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:06:19 GMT, in...@montoya.net (D. P. Roberts) from
> evidence exists to indicate race was a motivation for the killings.
All that means is that her-word-against-theirs wasn't good enough for
them to spend the big bucks on. You must be young enough to have never
studied the legal system, even on TV!
Again, proves absolutely nada. Except our estimate of your reasoning
ability, which declines in direct proportion to the number of
repetitive, knee-jerk, cut-n'-paste retorts like this you post.
Chas. M. Bee
>
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 14:47:03 GMT, "Ricky Nielsen" <ric...@lor.net> from
> Randori News - Now Web Capable! - http://www.randori.com - Get Free
> News! wrote:
>
> >Assuming that you meant to type ISN'T what makes any name calling ok? it is
> >hate speech regardless. making you somewhat of a hypocrite.
>
> preaching to, JACKASS.
Such a sweet young man... >face pinch<
>
> --
> YOW!! What should the entire human race DO?? Consume a fifth of
> CHIVAS REGAL, ski NUDE down MT. EVEREST, and have a wild SEX WEEKEND!
> 20 November 2001
Chas. M. Bee
>
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 15:28:31 GMT, "St. Marc the Perpetually Amused"
> <disc...@templeoferis.org> from EarthLink Inc. --
> http://www.EarthLink.net wrote:
>
> >if true, would seem to be a very, very powerful indication, other variables
> >be damned. With the millions of dollars we spend on training, with the
> >thousands of dedicated athletes of all races who train at the sport, NO
> >white has ever managed this. THIRTY blacks have. That is a statistical
> >discrepancy the size of the Sears Tower.
>
> indicate some sort of racial superiority or inferiority? Well then, who
> made performance in a 100-meter race a criteria for superiority? We can
> play the criteria choosing game all day long, proving whatever race we
> want to be whatever we want. But the smart thing to do is not play that
> game at all and recognize that all races are equal.
All races are not equal - check your medical texts. It's just that
the differences will eventually be of no importance.
I know the "everyone's equal" bit is good verbiage - but it's
patently untrue some of the time. The way to fix that is not through denial.
D. P. Roberts
Well, no. Duh. Not only does it violate the spirit of the
Declaration of Independence, that law probably violates the
Constitution. It also violates Sections 241 and 242 of Title 18,
Chapter 13, of the U.S. Criminal Code which makes it a CRIME for "two
or more persons to conspire to injure, oppress, threaten or intimidate
any citizen in the free exercuse ir enjoyment of any right or
privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United
States, or because of his having exercised the same; or If two or more
persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another,
with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any
right or privilege so secured they shall be fined not more than
$10,000 or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both; and if death
results, they shall be subject to imprisonment for any term of years
or for life."
And we all know how you feel about THE LAW.
D. P. Roberts
>groups of young black men coming south a few blocks to my neighborhood
>after dark to gang up on and beat the shit out of white males and
When I went to Southeast High School in Kansas City, the black males
would have what they called "white day" where they'd find a solitary
white student and beat up on him/her. I was surrounded one time and
fortunately in the group was a guy named George who said I was "cool"
and they went on about their bidness.
Nope, no racism there.
D. P. Roberts
>law is constitutional, and the only opinion that counts for that is a
>federal court's. Your citation of U.S. Code is spurious, at best.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now YOU want to decide which laws you want
to obey and which you don't. And it's not my opinion, it's the law.
A federal court decided that decision, boobie.
D. P. Roberts
>state's interest, and thus the public interest, for justice, could not
>find any aspect of the crime that indicates race was a motivating
>factor.
On a related note, similar persons said a single bullet killed
President Kennedy and wounded Texas governor John Connolly AND the
bullet remained in pristine condition. So you are WRONG!
St. Marc the Perpetually Amused
M. Bee" <c-b...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> "St. Marc the Perpetually Amused" wrote:
>>
>> "Chas. M. Bee" <c-b...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
>> news:3BF994D2...@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu...
>>> "St. Marc the Perpetually Amused" wrote:
>>>> In a typical fission explosion somewhere around that much of the mass of
>> the
>>>> fissile material is converted to energy. Small numbers can add up to big
>>>> differences. The absolute size of a difference is usually not that
>>>> important.
>>>
>>> Yes, right on the money. But Konig was making a comparison using
>>> incorrect values, and thinking that his resulting 1/1 ratio was
>>> significant. Actual ratio = 1/10.
>>
>> Oh. You were just nitpicking. That's all right, then. Carry on. *smile*
>
> Not really a nit - it destroyed that argument.
By showing that it was irrelevant. Tomato, tomahto. *grin*
>> To clarify, *I* didn't write the article. I just pointed it out. I'd be
>> interested to know what other variables you think the article doesn't
>> address. The statement:
>>
>> "No white has ever run a 100m in less than 10 seconds. At least 30 blacks
>> have."
>>
>> if true, would seem to be a very, very powerful indication, other variables
>> be damned. With the millions of dollars we spend on training, with the
>> thousands of dedicated athletes of all races who train at the sport, NO
>> white has ever managed this. THIRTY blacks have. That is a statistical
>> discrepancy the size of the Sears Tower.
>
> Sure, but on a very minor point of behavior. Sprinting ability
> simply isn't a good indication of ethnic worth.
'Tis if what you're judging is sprinting ability. Similarly, if what you're
judging is the ability to be successful in Western society, racial groups do
seem, statistically, to fall into generally predictable patterns.
> Mind you, I do *not*
> deny that race exists or that it is unimportant, as some academics do -
> sickle cell anemia sufferers were proof enough for me back in the
> sixties. I'm just saying that it's not the proper drive for public
> policy,
I hope that you are implying "because..." here, because if not, that is
rather a silly thing to say.
> and that it's not the real cause of our current social mess.
What would you say is, and how would you separate them?
>> As far as your last statement, logically that means that the Americans with
>> Disabilities act should only apply to the mentally handicapped.
>
> Then I should have qualified it further, you're right. Do you think
> it or something like it might hold true if applied to the kind of
> remedies "racial realists" often propose - relocation or other legal
> means of separation? I should think that a factual danger should exist
> for such measures to be appropriate,
Factual dangers do exist, depending on how you look at it. Find me a white
man who will walk down Halsted Street from the Loop to 95th (the city limits
of Chicago.) By the time he reaches 95th, even if he's unharmed, I'll
guarantee you that he'll understand exactly what sort of factual danger he's
in from (some) blacks.
The question then immediately arises whether this is a racial issue or a
social/class issue. I can demonstrate that it's the former, easily. Dress
the man like a crazy homeless person - somebody that even a welfare mom
would feel superior to. I promise you that his danger will not be much
decreased.
I do not know if racial conflict is coming. I think that the black
underclass is self-destructing fast enough that it may be avoided. But if it
persists, one day there will be a reckoning. It will be very, very ugly.
Gun-grabbers are fond of saying, "If it saves just one life, it's
worthwhile." Deporting people who can't or won't support themselves would
save a whole lot of lives, both now and when Der Tag comes. I don't advocate
it. But I don't say it doesn't make sense.
> and I think what I was getting at
> is that such is not going to be found in anatomical studies.
How do you know until you find out?
>> Bell curves
>> have two ends: you have to compare both ends if you want a true comparison
>> of the populations. Should I be able to enter the sprints at the Penn Relays
>> and be entitled to a headstart the size of the average statistical
>> difference between white times and black times?
>
> Oh, probably.
Seriously? If so, then I think we're done, because there's just no point to
even talking about it. Besides, I'd still lose. I don't have the physique
for sprinting, even for a white boy.
>
>> No? Then why should the same
>> logic apply to mental aptitudes, and jobs be given to those who are less
>> qualified for them, even if it's not their "fault" that they're less
>> qualified?
>
> They shouldn't. Everyone should compete fairly. I do go for
> educational handouts, though.
Um, education is the equivalent, employment wise, of that headstart I wanted
in the Penn Relays. If less qualified people get handouts, either the
qualifications will be less valuable (like a bachelor's degree in this sad
age - usetowas, a man went to college, he was *somebody*) or people who are
less qualified by nature will receive an unfair advantage in competition.
>>> I suppose if I have to I could claim that it doesn't take a lot of
>>> genetic predisposition to make a better sprinter, but I don't really know.
>>
>> I *am* claiming that - even the tiny genetic differences which define racial
>> body types are enough to cause these *massive* statistical discrepancies in
>> performance.
>
> Sprinting, massive? I may need to go back and see what the actual
> times were, as opposed to whether they break an arbitrary barrier or
> not. Even so, I consider it something of a side issue.
It's an example. In the Grand Scheme of Things, sprinting isn't that
important in our society. Neither, in fact, are IQ tests. Most people
couldn't even tell you what their IQ is. (Mine available upon request.) But
unimportant as it is at base, it tends to *correlate* with social success.
That's why it's used in such debates, because it's one of the few
standardized data points we have with even a rough correlation.
>> Suppose the KKK were to recieve a billion-dollar bequest tomorrow, and
>> decided to use part of it to establish a foundation to show the superiority
>> of the white athlete. Absent use of steroids or other performance enhancers,
>> do you think that they could produce a large class of white athletes which
>> would dominate all sports, including the ones which black athletes now
>> dominate?
>>
>> I don't. Racial differences are real, and no matter how much money you throw
>> at them, they are not all surmountable. Whether that applies to mental
>> differences as well as physical differences, I don't know for sure, but at
>> this time I think that at some level it does.
>
> It does, just not at a significant level. You'll never hear me say
> that there are no racial differences per se - I just argue as to their
> applicability. =)
You didn't answer the question. Suppose we reverse it - pretending the UNCF
didn't exist, create it, with a mandate to create a black elite in science,
academics, and business. Give it a really good hunk of money - call it ten
billion dollars. Would it be able to bring black representation up in the
top levels of those fields? Even to population ratio? Sad as it is, all
available data seems to indicate that it could not.
>> If the brain were this wonder-organ that anecdotal and isolated indicators
>> seem to say it is (like the trick with the upside-down glasses) then we'd
>> all be geniuses. We're not. Its ability to rewire itself is in some ways
>> quite limited - and just a tiny difference in limits can make a huge
>> difference in aptitudes.
>
> I'm talking strictly about the initial wiring.
Same response.
>>> We do seem to know that blacks have around an 8% deficit on
>>> standardized IQ tests (the ideological furor is ongoing) - but that's
>>> well within the range to be labeled societal, in the absence of other
>>> evidence. It also is dwarfed by intraethnic variations.
>>
>> The figure I usually hear is one standard deviation. Currently, that
>> averages out to about 15 IQ points. That doesn't sound like much, but in a
>> highly technical and technological society, it means the brass ring is just
>> too high to reach. 15 IQ points is nothing at average levels, but when
>> dealing with top research and business positions, it's the difference
>> between getting the job and being an also-ran.
>
> Depending, of course, on drive, ethics, responsibility, learning
> strategies, networking, social class...
Which, I gladly concede, are damned hard to quantify. But they all seem to
roughly correlate, statistically.
I don't have a problem with early education for those who can benefit from
it (my daughter is currently receiving early childhood education and it has
helped her marvelously.) But I do have a problem with allocating it or any
assistance, including and especially money extracted by the threat of force,
on the basis of race. Any race.
>>>> I really don't care if you're a moron because people of your race tend
>> to be
>>>> morons compared to other races, or because your mother drank too much
>> while
>>>> you were gestating, or because Goddess was in a bad mood the
>>>> time-infinitesimal you were conceived. If you are, you are. Don't blame
>> me
>>>> because I'm not and I can get a job you're not qualified to do. ("Not"
>>>> relatively speaking, of course. I myself wanted to be an astronaut
>> and/or a
>>>> physicist. I don't fit the criteria. Compared to such people, *I* am
>>>> inferior. Tough noogies.)
>>>
>>> But many people think it's important, and want to enact draconian
>>> measures based on it.
>>
>> I don't want to enact draconian measures based on it: I want to unenact the
>> draconian measures that purport to address it.
>
> Heh, I'd rather just force companies to hire the minority AND the
> best performer! =))))
Fine, you're a communist. When the robots are here, then I'll be a
communist. Until then, pfooey.
> Besides, I don't really consider AA draconian -
> but then I've never suffered for it either...
And that's the difference, isn't it? I lost a spot in law school by two
index points. If I had been a member of a minority, or female, the bonus I
got for it (this was before AA was ruled unconstitutional) would have had me
in like Flynn. It's never really bothered me (not like my wife, who can rant
for HOURS about how a black football player with an ACT ten points below
hers got into the college she wanted but she was rejected for Applying While
White and Unathletic.)
You do suffer from AA - it's just been in the background, like the
horrendous taxes you pay in hidden fees and deductions every time you turn
around. If the government just said to you, "We want sixty percent of your
income, now," you'd take up your musket and water the Tree of Liberty. But
some income tax here, and some sales tax here, and some Social Security over
there - all for a good cause - and you don't even notice any more. You pay
for AA in lower productivity, social friction, inefficiency.
St. Marc