I am committing a perverse act as we speak
iDRMRSR
I'm right now downloading UBUNTU 6.10 for installation on one of these spare
PC's I have cluttering up the place. The Windows ME which formerly ran it
is now no longer supported by Myqrocopht. I could just take the HD out and
plop it into my XP box, but this seems such a waste.
Especially since the old machine is actually a nice 1GHZ plus Pentium.
I already know it won't accept XP, and I won't accept spending $100 for
another licence...and I hate to throw the thing in the trash, so I'm doing
the only other thing that seems sensible.
I am RAPING it with Linux.
Please note that this is an admission on my part that...I abhor Apple
something terrible...I'm not that impressed with Vista by any means...and
this will give my idle hand(s) something to do in my dotage. That is, keep
up to date functionally without expense of any real money.
I can't see how I would turn that old box into my main squeeze BUT you never
can tell, I might be closet-gay for Linux after all. So let's just say I'm
bi-curious.
Prolly gonna SHIT all over the nVidia video card, though...and I'll be up
scouring the net for install hints all night...and end up throwing the thing
out in tomorrow's trash anyhow, like I did the last time I futzed with Linux
back in 1996.
Wish me luck...
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Ankara
"iDRMRSR" said:
> Yes, I've decided to try something which for me is UTTERLY PERVERSE.
>
> I'm right now downloading UBUNTU 6.10 for installation on one of these
> spare PC's I have cluttering up the place. The Windows ME which formerly
> ran it is now no longer supported by Myqrocopht. I could just take the HD
> out and plop it into my XP box, but this seems such a waste.
>
.....or you'll hate it and keep using windows....but I doubt it.
Actually, Ubuntu is the best out there in my opinion.
And the install is about as effortless as it can get.
(Read: like windows pretends to be)
Two of our IRC servers, including mine are running on it
If you wanna get REALLY geeky, you can do this:
Buy another ethernet card, put it in the linux box, then throw away
anything in your house *pretending* to be a router and let the box manage
your LAN - one card as "IN" from the internet; one card as "OUT" to the
other computers in the house. It would be better at managing
your network than ANYTHING with 'linksys' or 'netgear'
written on the front. In fact, to beat linux's IP stack you
would have to spend about $1500-2000 on Cisco products.
You'll want firestarter as a firewall.
It has a nifty GUI which integrates really well with Gnome-
the desktop on Ubuntu, and will even see the two ethernet
cards and help you set up a LAN with them.
my linux server box is only a 1.1ghz celeron with 384m ram
It is also running the services for IRC as well as the
Taphouse webpages... a coupla bots for the IRPG game,
a stats server, a web forum, and a mysql server for the forum,
as well as the router duties mentioned above.
I got it for free when my company was throwing it away.
So far, in addition to the internet connection that I would have
anyway, and a 15 dollar ethernet card and some misc. cables,
Taphouse is costing me 12 dollars a year to run.
Have fun.
Ankara
Artemia Salina
> I am RAPING [an old PC] with Linux.
>
> Please note that this is an admission on my part that...I abhor Apple
> something terrible...I'm not that impressed with Vista by any means...and
> this will give my idle hand(s) something to do in my dotage. That is, keep
> up to date functionally without expense of any real money.
Good news, Seeker! I hear that the port of Lotus Notes is almost
finished, and a COBOL interpreter is in the works for the System/370
emulator!
(http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/mainframe/mainframe_920912.html)
--
Popess Evokovitch: Who the hell is Rontus Mekora?
nenslo: Some dumbass.
Rontus Mekora: Not just any dumbass, I am a high frequency dumbass.
iDRMRSR
So, OK, I managed to install it to HD and still keep around my ole windoze
partition with all the data. Didn't scrog it all as I thought I would.
Dual boots nicely.
Then I got into a catch 22 with the fucking video card driver. It's NVIDIA
TNT2 M64. I go to the application installer (graphic) and lo and behold,
there is NVIDIA LEGACY DRIVER on the list. I check it off and a nasty
message comes back that THIS IS NOT SUPPORTED ON YOUR HARDWARE.
Two more hours of sifting through Google searches and I find some clown who
actually wrote a program which you run in Terminal that goes out to Nvidia
and yanks their proprietary driver and installs it and configures all the
other ninety seven layers of crap between TTY and your monitor which linux
imposes.
Well, it worked, and got me into 1280 by 768 mode just as my wide ass
monitor required.
Then I go to my MySpace page and I get an error message:
TOTEM cannot play //fd//0
or some such crap like that. Because there is an embedded MP3 file, and
UBUNTU is all FREE software but MP3 is proprietary and so...gasp gasp...
FUCK IT. It's too fucking late to deal with this, I need some sleep. I'll
have to wait until tomorrow, or maybe the next day if Google is slow, JUST
to get Firefox to play a fucking MP3 embedded in a web page.
This is why I say Linux SUX. No bells and whistles work right out of the
box. I thought this would be a little better by now.
Yeah, if I was putting up a database server or something gray and odorless
like that, yeah, Linux would be OK.
I dunno.
I was going to say "the night is YOUNG", but for "Bob"s sake, it's 4 AM and
I just got the screen resolution working.
PS it's slower than Windows ME was, sigh, on the same hardware.
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just john
> Wish me luck...
>
Luck!
And for an older machine, I prefer xubuntu. I've even run the PPC
version on my G4 Mac. Happily, I have a two-button trackball on that
one. I'd get a new hard drive (to replace the currently dead one) on my
G3 Powerbook and run xubuntu on THAT, if there was a nice mouse button
workaround.
--
* Radio Free Entropy: http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml *
just john
> This is why I say Linux SUX. No bells and whistles work right out of
> the box. I thought this would be a little better by now.
>
> Yeah, if I was putting up a database server or something gray and
> odorless like that, yeah, Linux would be OK.
>
> I dunno.
>
> I was going to say "the night is YOUNG", but for "Bob"s sake, it's 4
> AM and I just got the screen resolution working.
First, you have NO IDEA how smelly you can make a database.
Second, from Distrowatch:
> Linux Mint is an Ubuntu-based distribution whose goal is to provide a
> more complete out-of-the-box experience by including browser plugins,
> media codecs, support for DVD playback, Java, and other components.
> Linux Mint 2.0, code name "Barbara", was released yesterday: "This
> release is based on Ubuntu 6.10 and uses the Ubuntu installer. The
> desktop is GNOME 2.16.1 and the kernel is 2.6.17. Barbara comes with
> the following plugins: Macromedia Flash 9 beta, Sun Java 1.5 Update
> 9, RealPlayer 10. Support for MP3, Windows and various codecs,
> encrypted DVDs is installed by default. Barbara comes with Amarok
> 1.4.4 instead of Rhythmbox. The default artwork is a blue version of
> the 'Human' theme." Read the release notes for further information.
> LinuxMint-2.0.iso (679MB).
Release note link: http://linuxmint.com/20061113.html
ISO Download:
ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/linuxmint/releases/Barbara-2.0/LinuxMint-2.0.iso
MD5 link: http://linuxmint.com/download.html
Saint Bucky
On Nov 28, 10:53 am, just john <teuy13...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> On 11/28/2006 03:57 AM, iDRMRSR told the world:
>
> > This is why I say Linux SUX. No bells and whistles work right out of
> > the box. I thought this would be a little better by now.
>
> > Yeah, if I was putting up a database server or something gray and
> > odorless like that, yeah, Linux would be OK.
>
> > I dunno.
>
> > I was going to say "the night is YOUNG", but for "Bob"s sake, it's 4
> > AM and I just got the screen resolution working.First, you have NO IDEA how smelly you can make a database.
>
> Second, from Distrowatch:
>
> > Linux Mint is an Ubuntu-based distribution whose goal is to provide a
> > more complete out-of-the-box experience by including browser plugins,
> > media codecs, support for DVD playback, Java, and other components.
> > Linux Mint 2.0, code name "Barbara", was released yesterday: "This
> > release is based on Ubuntu 6.10 and uses the Ubuntu installer. The
> > desktop is GNOME 2.16.1 and the kernel is 2.6.17. Barbara comes with
> > the following plugins: Macromedia Flash 9 beta, Sun Java 1.5 Update
> > 9, RealPlayer 10. Support for MP3, Windows and various codecs,
> > encrypted DVDs is installed by default. Barbara comes with Amarok
> > 1.4.4 instead of Rhythmbox. The default artwork is a blue version of
> > the 'Human' theme." Read the release notes for further information.
> > LinuxMint-2.0.iso (679MB).Release note link:http://linuxmint.com/20061113.html
> ISO Download:ftp://ftp.planetmirror.com/pub/linuxmint/releases/Barbara-2.0/LinuxMi...
> MD5 link:http://linuxmint.com/download.html
>
> --
> * Radio Free Entropy: http://just-john.com/cn/rfe.shtml*
Jesus Christ, people...
Feel better now?
Baldin...@msn.com
iDRMRSR wrote:
> Already I'm finding out how much UBUNTU SUX for your average Windoze dude.
>
> So, OK, I managed to install it to HD and still keep around my ole windoze
> partition with all the data. Didn't scrog it all as I thought I would.
> Dual boots nicely.
>
> Then I got into a catch 22 with the fucking video card driver. It's NVIDIA
> TNT2 M64. I go to the application installer (graphic) and lo and behold,
> there is NVIDIA LEGACY DRIVER on the list. I check it off and a nasty
> message comes back that THIS IS NOT SUPPORTED ON YOUR HARDWARE.
Ubuntu can be run from the CD first to see if it works with your
hardware. Knoppix and several other distros can also run from the CD.
I suggest Suse 10.1, available free from Novell.com. I have it
installed dual boot on two of my machines with XP and I have never been
happier with a distro in my life.
iDRMRSR
After you've gone and spent six hours installing one distro, you find out
there's six more of them that would have been better, etc, etc.
That's actually a lot of time to kill compared to Windows, which "JUST
WORKS!". Sometimes, you know, you get what you PAY for.
And the OTHER OTHER thing that pisses me off about Linux is simply this, if
I want to eat a HAMBURGER, I pull into the golden arches. I don't start
searching the flea markets for a meat grinder as my first step on the way to
eating. Which is how I have to rut around Google for install tips.
Today I'm going to try and plug in my camera card reader USB thingie for
shits and grins. I might even try to plug in my flatbed SCANNER!
I'll prolly end up nuking the neighborhood or something.
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Artemia Salina
> And that's the OTHER thing that pisses me off about Linux.
>
> After you've gone and spent six hours installing one distro, you find out
> there's six more of them that would have been better, etc, etc.
And that's the OTHER thing that pisses me off about CARS.
After you've gone and spent six hours filling out the paperwork at a Yugo
dealership, you find out there's six more makes of cars that would have
been better, etc, etc.
> That's actually a lot of time to kill compared to Windows, which "JUST
> WORKS!". Sometimes, you know, you get what you PAY for.
You have plenty of time to kill now, retiree.
> And the OTHER OTHER thing that pisses me off about Linux is simply this,
> if I want to eat a HAMBURGER, I pull into the golden arches. I don't
> start searching the flea markets for a meat grinder as my first step on
> the way to eating. Which is how I have to rut around Google for install
> tips.
That's why I don't like hobbies, like building ships in bottles for
example: you ACTUALLY HAVE TO BUILD A SHIP IN A BOTTLE!! WTF?!?!?!
Stamp collecting is another one! I want a stamp collection; I don't want
to collect stamps!
What STUPID WASTES OF TIME!
> Today I'm going to try and plug in my camera card reader USB thingie for
> shits and grins. I might even try to plug in my flatbed SCANNER!
>
> I'll prolly end up nuking the neighborhood or something.
Thinking SUX!
Windows RULZ!
Kevin Cunningham
"iDRMRSR" <idr...@sssssubgenius.com> wrote in message
news:Qs-dnb3pzv0c6_HY...@giganews.com...
I've had nothing but problems with Windows (XP) from day one. It just
sucks. I'm a user not an expert and that I think is the difference.
Windows is built for the expert, darn near nothing is built for the computer
user. It really helps to have an expert near by no matter what system your
using.
What your describing is like going from a '56 Chevy to a Ferrari. They are
that dissimilar and if you don't know the right expert, you got real
problems. Why, oh "BoB", aren't computers equipped for the ordinary, the
everyday dummy like me?
Rev. Dr. Junior Mints
Every Day Dummie of Atlanta
iDRMRSR
My camera flash card reader...JUST WORKED!
My old scanner...JUST WORKED!
I also got the MP3's to play and satisfy TOTEM, whatever that is.
BUT...my WEBCAM...arrgh.
I'm being held hostage by a lone French developer somewhere who has written
an application which works for SOME Logitech cams, but mine (device ID
046d:0869) of course fails. I'll have to wait until he finds time not
bathing and not changing his underwear, and in that interval I'll prolly
grow as much armpit hair as he has, while he codes up a new version.
It gives me great pleasure to install something with the UNSTABLE repository
option, too. This cam is stacked up to the ceiling at WalMart. I guess
they don't have une WalMart en France, eh?
So I can't post a YouTube video of me running UBUNTU here in the Condo of
Solitude just yet. Oh, there's another method (always is) which requires me
to cut and paste 35 different commands into a terminal window, covering
three and a half pages of text, which might yield a working driver in the
end as it attempts to compile every line of C code written by humankind.
Didn't Linux ever hear of INSTALLSHIELD?
Heh, that and Linux is CaSeSeNsItIvE to boot, which to my Windows eyes is
grotesque.
Right now I'm about as likely to embrace Linux as Islam, sigh.
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Leonard the Committed
> box. I thought this would be a little better by now.
So are you saying that a Windows install requires NO tweeking right out of
the box? Just because you are unfamiliar with how to do those tweeks
doesn't mean the OS sucks, just that you are not familiar yet as to what
you need to do.
iDRMRSR
TYPE IN: <command1>
BUT REMEMBER TO <procedure1> FIRST|NEVER|AFTER
ONLY AFTER CONSIDERING <condition1>
IN WHICH CASE YOU NEED TO <procedure2>
UNLESS <condition2>
where a <procedure> is a nested version of the above.
To the average depth of 12.
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iDRMRSR
the box? Just because you are unfamiliar with how to do those tweeks
doesn't mean the OS sucks, just that you are not familiar yet as to what
you need to do.<<
Fair criticism, but most of what I'm trying to do at this point is fairly
basic stuff for any device having a video card and an audio card, fer crying
out loud!
But amazingly I got a lot of it working now that I've had some sleep.
If it's any consolation, GIMP looks pretty cool, at least it has a lot more
free filters and stuff for making pretty ABS picxtures!
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Zapanaz
yknow if linux people who have been advocating it to me for years had
just told me "well Linux is a real pain in the ass, but it's cool
because you can customize it etc." I probably would have gotten into
it years ago.
but the ones I have run into go into an apoplexy if you imply that it
is in any way more work than windoze. somehow in there it set off my
"used-car-salesman" instinct.
--
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International Satanic Conspiracy
Customer Support Specialist
http://joecosby.com/
"Rev." Falwell Opens Mouth, Inserts Entire Leg
Rich Clark, aka Left Rev Egg Plant, ULC, CotSG
The first thing I would do upon getting Ubuntu up and running would be
to configure it as a bastion-firewalled routing system and get that
frigging windows box away from direct contact with the outside network.
Next thing I'd do, I'd get ethereal to dump out exactly what that
Windows box is doing on the network to ensure it's not zombied. I wish
I had a nickel for every time I had a machine here to repair only to
find out it was spitting out spam for some fuckhead in Russia.
Rich Clark, aka Left Rev Egg Plant, ULC, CotSG
Our fwend has probably never done an OEM install from CD onto a bare
hard drive and has never tasted the horror that is finding and
installing all the drivers correctly.
Man, if I had a fucking nickel for that one, too, all the time that I
ever had to spend digging through yahoo, alta vista, google. Christ,
it's the same no matter what. All operating systems suck, it's just in
my opinion that Linux sucks so much less and I can do so much more with
it than Windows.
iDRMRSR
little journey.
Ahh, well see here IMBJR, I've learnt enough about Linux to tell you for
sure, you started with the WRONG distribution. You should have caved into
UBUNTU, and left Knoppix behind in the dirt where it belongs.
UBUNTU found my network right without even asking me why there was a
wireless router between it and the cable modem here. OTOH, it's kind of
self defence because...without an internet connection, it couldn't have
fully installed itself. I know it's loading tons of programs from "out
there" without my knowledge.
Heh the biggest laugh was, after I was all installed, it told me there were
13 CRITICAL UPDATES awaiting to be installed!
Kind of punctures the mythos that Linux is invincible right there. Auto
update. Egad, what's next, do I go out and shop for an ANTIVIRUS now?
Tee hee.
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Ankara
"Rich Clark, aka Left Rev Egg Plant, ULC, CotSG" wrote:
>
> The first thing I would do upon getting Ubuntu up and running would be
> to configure it as a bastion-firewalled routing system and get that
> frigging windows box away from direct contact with the outside network.
heh, thas what I suggested yesterday, no one is listening to me it would
seem
Ankara
Artemia Salina
> I'm being held hostage by a lone French developer somewhere who has written
> an application which works for SOME Logitech cams, but mine (device ID
> 046d:0869) of course fails.
I guess you know that in the Linux world many periph drivers have to be
coded by means of reverse engineering. The reason being that the
manufacturers refuse to release the specifications of their hardware for
fear of their competition gaining some imagined edge. Either that or Some
Other Software Company has enough leverage to coerce the manufacturers
into not releasing the specs.
That does make it very difficult for Linux to keep up with the latest
greatest hardware. Some companies, like nVidia, write and distribute their
own pre-compiled drivers, and that of course requires the user to go out
on the net and get it.
> I'll have to wait until he finds time not
> bathing and not changing his underwear, and in that interval I'll prolly
> grow as much armpit hair as he has, while he codes up a new version.
I know the guy you mean. Someone accidentally left a toothbrush on his
keyboard and he hasn't mustered up the courage to get near it yet.
Say la Vee!
Rich Clark, aka Left Rev Egg Plant, ULC, CotSG
> Egad, what's next, do I go out and shop for an ANTIVIRUS now?
FUCK NO!
Praise "Bob"!!! Praise St Linus Torvalds!! Praise Rev Patrick!
You can forget about antivirus, spyware removal, and all that other
happy security horseshit that is such a problem with Windows. One thing
I've never seen Micro$haft get right is user, process and filesystem
security. Any OS that will allow random processes to gain root access
to a system should be immediately scrapped in my HFO.
Rich Clark, aka Left Rev Egg Plant, ULC, CotSG
They shall suffer their blindness with a flurry of fish and
cockfighting, so sayeth the Prophets. Nay, a fistfucking would be even
more deserved punishment for their disbeliefs. Put that in your pipe
and smoke it.