An Invader at alt.surrealism
Brandon J. Freels
>indeed, why should I? I'm not the one who feels a need to respond
>three times to every single post I read, or to hunt down someone's
>posts in another newsgroup to "prove" that there's a conspiracy of
>some kind. I guess some people feel a need to check on other people's
>surrealist credentials. (funny, one of the humorous comments I made
>in that post was "... they are demanding to see my surrealism card
>and ordering me to burn down any church I may have attended." how
>prophetic.)
Brandon: If I do not fullfil my desire to respond three or more times I will
be repressing desire which is completely against surrealism. I never "hunted
down" anything. I simply searched for "surrealism" on Deja News. All I
proved is that you are not a surrealist, but a subgenius cult member This
solves everything. Now I understand your confusion. Where is your surrealism
card anyway?
>I have no problem with elag's posts, except that sometimes they have
>HTML in them. I have no problem with xepera, xister, Dan, Ainsy,
>Scott or any of the others, either (forgive the mispellings.) I don't
>even have a problem with Barrett's posts. or even with yours, except
>that they've become increasing deranged.
Brandon: Derangement is a positive. Are you complimenting me?
>next time you go checking up on someone, you might try doing a better
>job. if that posts about surrealism in alt.slack, you might ask
>yourself "why would alt.slack be interested in surrealism?" you might
>try finding out what alt.slack is really about (here's a free clue:
><http://www.subgenius.com> you might be surprised...) you might
>bother to learn that the inhabitants aren't called "slackers" (which
>means something different, and has nothing to do with Slack.)
Brandon: I did visit the subgenius website and saw it of no importance.
Brandon J. Freels
Talysman wrote in message <0dfG2UMJ...@softhome.net>...
>I see further examples that maybe you do not interpret words the
>way normal people interpret words, and that perhaps you are not
>entirely honest, with yourself or others. consider that statement
>again:
Brandon: How do "normal people" interpret words? The idea that there is a
normal way to interpret something seems a bit off base here are the
surrealism newsgroup.
>I did nout use the word "support" in that same post, and have never
>used the phrase "support surrealism" or any derivation of that
>phrase in any post. the distinction I was making, obviously, was
>between participation (serious) and trolling (nonserious). are you
>saying that I SHOULD troll alt.surrealism, Brandon?
Brandon: You have never used the phrase "support surrealism" because you
don't. The distinction you made was false. You are indeed "trolling" here.
Your participation is directed at trying to make a sub-group of
subgenius/surrealism (even if you deny this I will not beleive you). It is
obvious that these two are highly uncompatable.
>"What I found to be most outrageous was that according to his post at
>"alt.slack this newsgroup is dangerous territory.
>where did I say this, Brandon?
Brandon: Towards the end. I wish you would stop trolling around like a
baboon and eat your own lungs.
elag
Brandon J. Freels
Grantland
>Brandon: Towards the end. I wish you would stop trolling around like a
>baboon and eat your own lungs.
Don't worry too much about talysman, Brandon. He's a bit of a joke
here on alt.slack - what we call a "bobbie". Nobody takes him too
seriously..just laugh him off.
Grantland
terry...@rocketmail.com
> >> Brandon: Towards the end. I wish you would stop trolling around like a
> >> baboon and eat your own lungs.
"Stop trolling around like a baboon and eat your own
lungs"? What the fuck kind of a lame-o circa 1921
risque insult (troll?) is that supposed to be?
Around these parts, that dosent even qualify as a
warm up. I think you are at best some sort of
medium sized fish in a tiny little alt.surrealism
pond, where that sort of "witty" repartee actually
constitutes some sort of "cool" provacative
comeback. What the hell does "surrealism" even
mean in a late 20th century cultural context?
Surely to christ you're not holding yourself out as
some surviving purist remanent of some sort of
"classic" Surrealist Movement. If so, you are kind of
missing the point.
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TarlaStar
>"Brandon J. Freels" <Fre...@ethergate.com> wrote:
>>Brandon: Towards the end. I wish you would stop trolling around like a
>>baboon and eat your own lungs.
> Don't worry too much about talysman, Brandon. He's a bit of a joke
>here on alt.slack - what we call a "bobbie". Nobody takes him too
>seriously..just laugh him off.
>Grantland
Woah!.
Tarla
the irony is
thick as a brick
*****
"Oh this age! How tasteless and ill bred it is."--Catullus
*****
barrett john erickson
have missed and is therefore not necessarily responsible for.
on the other hand, you felt your response was so witty and important that
you found it necessary to send it twice to alt.surrealism while adding yet
a third group to the thread?
terry...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>
> > >> Brandon: Towards the end. I wish you would stop trolling around like a
> > >> baboon and eat your own lungs.
>
> "Stop trolling around like a baboon and eat your own
> lungs"? What the fuck kind of a lame-o circa 1921
> risque insult (troll?) is that supposed to be?
> Around these parts, that dosent even qualify as a
> warm up. I think you are at best some sort of
> medium sized fish in a tiny little alt.surrealism
> pond, where that sort of "witty" repartee actually
> constitutes some sort of "cool" provacative
> comeback. What the hell does "surrealism" even
> mean in a late 20th century cultural context?
> Surely to christ you're not holding yourself out as
> some surviving purist remanent of some sort of
> "classic" Surrealist Movement. If so, you are kind of
> missing the point.
>
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Popess Lilith von Fraumench
<MzES1.30$St1.2...@news.eli.net>, Fre...@ethergate.com bellowed forth across
the wasteland:
>
>Your participation is directed at trying to make a sub-group of
>subgenius/surrealism (even if you deny this I will not beleive you).
Well, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU, EITHER.
Neener.
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Grantland
>mit...@iafrica.com (Grantland) wrote:
>
>>"Brandon J. Freels" <Fre...@ethergate.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>Brandon: Towards the end. I wish you would stop trolling around like a
>>>baboon and eat your own lungs.
>
>> Don't worry too much about talysman, Brandon. He's a bit of a joke
>>here on alt.slack - what we call a "bobbie". Nobody takes him too
>>seriously..just laugh him off.
>
>>Grantland
>
>Woah!.
>
>Tarla
Tarla would like to "do him" though - she's the group trollop.
Grantland
<heh-heh>
xister
Popess Lilith von Fraumench wrote:
> Neener.
Heyheyheyheyehey!........... No neeners on alt.sur, Popess Lil. We haven't decided
whether it's surreal or not yet ;)
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Won't be nothin' you can measure anymore
The Blizzard of the world has crossed the threshold
and it's overturned the order of the soul...
When they said, "Repent!" I wondered what they meant.
I've seen the future brother, it is murder...
-LEONARD COHEN-
Kang
At some point in the past, Terry sputtered:
>> >> Brandon: Towards the end. I wish you would stop trolling around like
a
>> >> baboon and eat your own lungs.
>
>
>"Stop trolling around like a baboon and eat your own
>lungs"? What the fuck kind of a lame-o circa 1921
>risque insult (troll?) is that supposed to be?
>Around these parts, that dosent even qualify as a
>warm up.
I would like to inform everyone that the quoted post above represents the
first time I have actually sprayed coffee all over my monitor, keyboard
and toenail clippers while reading any news group. Sure I've read funnier,
but this was the first time I actually sprayed the place with Costa Rican
decaf. Bad timing I guess.
And THANK YOU again.
-
I am an apple.
TarlaStar
>bmy...@ionet.net (TarlaStar) wrote:
>>mit...@iafrica.com (Grantland) wrote:
>>
>>>"Brandon J. Freels" <Fre...@ethergate.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Brandon: Towards the end. I wish you would stop trolling around like a
>>>>baboon and eat your own lungs.
>>
>>> Don't worry too much about talysman, Brandon. He's a bit of a joke
>>>here on alt.slack - what we call a "bobbie". Nobody takes him too
>>>seriously..just laugh him off.
>>
>>>Grantland
>>
>>Woah!.
>>
>>Tarla
> Tarla would like to "do him" though - she's the group trollop.
Speak for yourself, ZaZa.
elag
Brandon J. Freels wrote:
>
> Bishop Two Beans wrote in message <6vgdk0$daf$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >(steps in puddle of melting clock)
>
> Puddle in a clock of stepping melt
barrett john erickson
>
> In article <
> 361BB597...@MagneticFields.org>,
> barrett john erickson <
> bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
> > note that alt.slack was added prior to Brandon's comments, a fact he may
> > have missed and is therefore not necessarily responsible for.
> >
> > on the other hand, you felt your response was so witty and important that
> > you found it necessary to send it twice to alt.surrealism while adding yet
> > a third group to the thread?
>
> respond to the questions that it contained dickhead.
> You may be hot shit over on
> alt.nineteentwentysomethingartmovement, over
> here you're my bitch.
my, you _do_ have a way with words don't you? but i detect a certain
anatomical confusion.
i assure you, had i detected a question seeking response in your soliloquy
i would have answered.
may i suggest you try formulating sentences and questions with the other
end of your body?
-- barrett
solar bear
<Fre...@ethergate.com> wrote:
> Bishop Two Beans wrote in message <6vgdk0$daf$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >(steps in puddle of melting clock)
>
>
> Puddle in a clock of stepping melt
our clock is better than your clock!
terry...@rocketmail.com
361BB597...@MagneticFields.org>,
barrett john erickson <
bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
> note that alt.slack was added prior to Brandon's comments, a fact he may
> have missed and is therefore not necessarily responsible for.
>
> on the other hand, you felt your response was so witty and important that
> you found it necessary to send it twice to alt.surrealism while adding yet
> a third group to the thread?
It must have been so "witty" that you forgot to
respond to the questions that it contained dickhead.
You may be hot shit over on
alt.nineteentwentysomethingartmovement, over
here you're my bitch.
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Brandon J. Freels
---BJF
terry...@rocketmail.com wrote in message
<6vg90o$4qc$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>
>> >> Brandon: Towards the end. I wish you would stop trolling around like a
>> >> baboon and eat your own lungs.
>
>
>"Stop trolling around like a baboon and eat your own
>lungs"? What the fuck kind of a lame-o circa 1921
>risque insult (troll?) is that supposed to be?
>Around these parts, that dosent even qualify as a
>warm up. I think you are at best some sort of
>medium sized fish in a tiny little alt.surrealism
>pond, where that sort of "witty" repartee actually
>constitutes some sort of "cool" provacative
>comeback. What the hell does "surrealism" even
>mean in a late 20th century cultural context?
>Surely to christ you're not holding yourself out as
>some surviving purist remanent of some sort of
>"classic" Surrealist Movement. If so, you are kind of
>missing the point.
>
Brandon J. Freels
---BJF
Grantland wrote in message <361b7335...@ct-news.iafrica.com>...
>"Brandon J. Freels" <Fre...@ethergate.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Brandon: Towards the end. I wish you would stop trolling around like a
>>baboon and eat your own lungs.
>
Brandon J. Freels
eat your own
>lungs"? What the fuck kind of a lame-o circa 1921
>risque insult (troll?) is that supposed to be?
Brandon: That (troll) is the terminology that Talysman originally used. So
if you have a problem with the word troll talked to Talysman, not me.
Gib: Around these parts, that dosent even qualify as a
>warm up. I think you are at best some sort of
>medium sized fish in a tiny little alt.surrealism
>pond,
Brandon: I am afraid to inform you that surrealism will always be bigger
than your precious Sub Genius group so if our alt.surrealism is a "little
pond" you must be in a drain pipe. Fish size medium? Maybe, but that is non
of your business.
Gib: where that sort of "witty" repartee actually
>constitutes some sort of "cool" provacative
>comeback. What the hell does "surrealism" even
>mean in a late 20th century cultural context?
Brandon: The same thing it meant in the 20th century. You fool, surrealism
has always been in the 20th century. Idiot.
Gib: >Surely to christ you're not holding yourself out as
>some surviving purist remanent of some sort of
>"classic" Surrealist Movement. If so, you are kind of
>missing the point.
Brandon: What's the point?
Brandon J. Freels
Grantland
>Gimme a grilled clock on wry and a large joke.
>
Monica has a speech impediment.
Grantland
Brandon J. Freels
solar bear wrote in message ...
>In article <_vUS1.89$St1.7...@news.eli.net>, "Brandon J. Freels"
your clock tastes like cream
Talysman
write in alt.slack:
"Terry Gibson wrote like an idiot: "Stop trolling around like a baboon and
"eat your own
">lungs"? What the fuck kind of a lame-o circa 1921
">risque insult (troll?) is that supposed to be?
"Brandon: That (troll) is the terminology that Talysman originally used. So
"if you have a problem with the word troll talked to Talysman, not me.
he means "...eat your own lungs" is a troll phrase, Brandon,
not that Andre Breton invented the word "troll".
and hell, it's got to be a troll. we have lots of surreal imagery
in alt.slack, like women having sex with eight-foot tall cockroaches
and giving birth to lizard-tongued infants with two heads[1]... or
Popess Lilith's penile array that resembles an agave[2], but we have
never used a phrase like "eat your own lungs"[3].
"Gib: Around these parts, that dosent even qualify as a
">warm up. I think you are at best some sort of
">medium sized fish in a tiny little alt.surrealism
">pond,
"Brandon: I am afraid to inform you that surrealism will always be bigger
"than your precious Sub Genius group so if our alt.surrealism is a "little
"pond" you must be in a drain pipe. Fish size medium? Maybe, but that is non
"of your business.
Hel's frozen teats, Brandon, there were more people at the X-Day
drills[4] than in any single surrealist group in history. so your
silly "mine's bigger, neener!" tactics aren't going to work.
SubGenii always win at that game, anyways.
"Gib: where that sort of "witty" repartee actually
">constitutes some sort of "cool" provacative
">comeback. What the hell does "surrealism" even
">mean in a late 20th century cultural context?
~~~~
"Brandon: The same thing it meant in the 20th century. You fool, surrealism
"has always been in the 20th century. Idiot.
but it's only been in the *late* 20th century for half that time,
you MASONIC-NAZI-ESPERANTO mediocretin[5].
"Gib: >Surely to christ you're not holding yourself out as
">some surviving purist remanent of some sort of
">"classic" Surrealist Movement. If so, you are kind of
">missing the point.
"Brandon: What's the point?
that fresh, living movements change, and unchanging purist
movements are dead, perhaps?
face it. the Church of the SubGenius has a surrealist current
running through it (at 220 volts, in fact.) it may not be true
surrealism, as you or many people may define it, but there is
a definite connection to it. hell, what do you think all that
stuff about the Pipe is about, anyways?
but one thing about the CotSG that distinguishes it from the
historical surrealist movements is: we *expect* to change.
we DEMAND change. and we WILL change. constantly. we are
a church of mutants -- and "mutant" means "one who is changed".
FOOTNOTES:
[1] OK, so that's not very surreal; Bulldada Laboratories did that
three years ago. two years ago, the child was elected to Congress.
[2] OK, so that's not very surreal, either, it's something Popess
Lilith is quite proud of.
[3] well, OK, we've used phrases like that in SubGenius-style
invective, such as:
"LISSEN UP, PINK BOY, your winged-mutant-poodle-humpin',
pussy-beret-wearin' old-timey insults aren't worth a
squirming bucket of ADOLF HITLER SEXTOYS in the presence
of the World's First Industrial Church! if you decide
to get into a flame war with alt.slack, Sekkret Doktors
of Forbidden Sciences will turn their RAZOR-TIPPED EYEBALLS
upon you and you will EAT YOUR OWN LUNGS rather than be
dissected under their multigaze! do you know what kind
of UNBRIDLED PORNOGRAPHIC HATE breeds in the bottomless
pits of their black hearts? you talk about liberating
your desires, PINK BOY, but even a completely REPRESSED
SubGenius of true Yeti stock has MORE FIERCE BURNING
DESIRE IN A SINGLE STRAND OF PREHENSILE HAIR than you
have in your entire Etch-a-Sketch totin' body! YOU WILL
SHIT LIVE HOLSTEINS if you dare to cross horns with a
true Overman or Uberfemme, and you will pray to your
FALSE FRENCHIE ART-GODS to be released from the tortures
in store for you in the SubGenius culture vats! Andre
Breton said the simplest surrealist act is to run into
a crowd firing a gun at random... well, the simplist
SubGenius act involves constructing a flying saucer out
of FISHER PRICE TOYS and LIVE NUDE WOMEN, flying it over
a large city, and REDUCING IT TO A CHARRED RADIOACTIVE
RUIN -- and THEN jumping down to rape the still-living
lumps of flesh! MMMMM-mmmm! excuse me, I think I have
an urgent appointment!"
[4] over 200 in 1997, I seem to remember.
[5] I would have said "you CRAPULENT LUMP OF DICKBRAINED LIZARD-
SOULED BUTTPUTTY", but then I would have been accused of being a
Sterno-humping extremist wannabe.
--
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Last Hidden Ascended Master
Talysman
write in alt.slack:
"Talysman wrote in message <0dfG2UMJ...@softhome.net>...
">I see further examples that maybe you do not interpret words the
">way normal people interpret words, and that perhaps you are not
">entirely honest, with yourself or others. consider that statement
">again:
"Brandon: How do "normal people" interpret words? The idea that there is a
"normal way to interpret something seems a bit off base here are the
"surrealism newsgroup.
no, I think at some level, surrealists recognize what a word is
intended to mean, even if they then play with that meaning and
explore its possibilities. kind of hard to depart from the norm
if you don't know what "the norm" *is*, don't you think?
besides, your comments weren't in the least bit surrealist. they
were presented as a series of traditional, rational statements --
that had no actual connection to the truth.
and since one of your constant harping points is that you believe
me to be lying, I would find it ironic -- no, HYPOCRITICAL --
if you refused to have any respect for the truth of what I actually
said.
"Brandon: You have never used the phrase "support surrealism" because you
"don't.
I don't think I used the phrase "I am a human being" before; does
that mean I'm not? I certainly haven't used the phrase "I am trolling
alt.surrealism" before, so by your twisted logic, I'm not. try to
be consistent, Brandon.
" The distinction you made was false. You are indeed "trolling" here.
"Your participation is directed at trying to make a sub-group of
"subgenius/surrealism (even if you deny this I will not beleive you). It is
"obvious that these two are highly uncompatable.
every one of your statements here is filled with whipped cream and
maggots. I am trolling because you say I'm trolling? hell, according
to my observations, I've made a few friends in alt.surrealism, made
an agreement to disagree with Barrett (and learned a few things, too)
... and only made one enemy, you. is it possible to troll one person?
and what's this "make a sub-group of subgenius/surrealism"? that
doesn't even make sense! what are you trying to say? do you mean
"make alt.surrealism a subgroup of the subgeniuses (alt.slack)"?
I certainly wasn't. I tried to keep the discussion on alt.surrealism
more scholarly, and posted my surrealist poetry/prose attempts there,
because I've found rec.arts.poems to be a bad forum. YOU insisted
on dragging the SubGenii into this. I made several attempts to either
(1) move the religious discussion to alt.slack, since it wasn't
of overwhelming interest to those in alt.surrealism; and,
(2) limit the discussion of the CotSG on alt.surrealism, and
restricted my comments about it to very plain, unsarcastic,
nonhumorous language, unlike what you would find in alt.slack.
yest, that's right, I BROKE SUBGENIUS LAW and responded to you in
a fashion UNBECOMING OF A YETI, in deference to alt.surrealism.
but waitasec, I think I missed something up there:
"Your participation is directed at trying to make
a sub-group of subgenius/surrealism (even if you
deny this I will not beleive you)"
woah! that's a RELIGIOUS STATEMENT! you are accepting your prejudice
on the basis of FAITH alone and saying that you will IGNORE ALL PROOF
that contradicts your faith in your beliefs!
">"What I found to be most outrageous was that according to his post at
">"alt.slack this newsgroup is dangerous territory.
">where did I say this, Brandon?
"Brandon: Towards the end. I wish you would stop trolling around like a
"baboon and eat your own lungs.
I would never troll like a baboon; I would only troll like a Yeti.
and I would eat YOUR lungs, after ripping them out with my PREHENSILE
BRAIN.
but lessee, what was in the end of that post you are referring to?
"so, anyone who wants to read some of this, take a peek.
do NOT invade the newsgroup! NO, I am not using reverse
psychology here; I mean it. just come read it and then
KILL ME."
oh, yes. I see right there where I said "alt.surrealism is such
a dangerous place". it's practically engraved into my forehead
in ten-foot tall blisterletters.
of course, I *must* have meant "alt.surrealism is dangerous",
because if your "normal" interpretation of those words should
happen to be WRONG, that would mean that what I *really* said
was that alt.slack shouldn't invade alt.surrealism, which we
all know can't be true, because that would mean I wasn't trolling!
and the fact that no one else from alt.slack posted anything in
alt.surrealism until after you accused us of invading the
newsgroup just PROVES that I am a sneaky clever troll and that
it was all part of my plan from the very beginning!
heck, if I *were* trolling (and I must be, because you believe
it, and we all know that belief and faith are the two strongest
forces of surrealism and cannot be assuaged,) then what I might
post would be a congratulatory note to you, since our plan of
inventing a fake newsgroup invasion worked so well, and we have
both groups thinking the other is up to no good! it worked so
well! who would have suspected that an alt.surrealism regular
would conspire with a SubGenius to produce such a believable
and effective troll!
oh, wait, the other surrealists don't believe you, and the
inhabitants of alt.slack think you're a tight-sphinctered dork,
so I guess our plan didn't work after all...
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>
[Other attributions snipped to protect the guilty]
> :>> Puddle in a clock of stepping melt
> :>
> :>our clock is better than your clock!
>
> :your clock tastes like cream
>
> I'm sorry, but is this all that alt.surrealism has to offer?
> Random word juggling isn't surreal.
>
No, you're right. A PICTURE of a plywood badger raping a ghostly
big toe that's just hatching out of an egg playing the tuba while
a sort of shapeless blobby greenish thing flies around the sky in
a kipper-woman cross with big tits that have propellers instead of
nipples. Now, that's surreal.
--
"I want to write about the philosophy of sitting in chairs because
I have a reputation for lolling." -- Lin Yutang
elag
I scream of teams
of beaming seams
I deem the steam
which teems
with beams
seems a
beaming teeming steam machine
Brandon J. Freels wrote:
>
> solar bear wrote in message ...
> >In article <_vUS1.89$St1.7...@news.eli.net>, "Brandon J. Freels"
> ><Fre...@ethergate.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Bishop Two Beans wrote in message <6vgdk0$daf$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >> >(steps in puddle of melting clock)
> >>
> >>
elag
elag
> :>> >(steps in puddle of melting clock)
> :>>
> :>> Puddle in a clock of stepping melt
> :>
> :>our clock is better than your clock!
>
> :your clock tastes like cream
Peter Hipwell
>
> Q: How many surrealists does it take to change a lightbulb?
>
> A: fish
>
Ingenious thieves stole all the toilets from Scotland Yard last
night. Police say they're baffled: they've got nothing to go on.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm a frayed knot!
"The Two Ronnies" are still KING.
Grantland
>Bishop Two Beans wrote:
>>
>> Q: How many surrealists does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>
>> A: fish
>>
>
>Ingenious thieves stole all the toilets from Scotland Yard last
>night. Police say they're baffled: they've got nothing to go on.
>
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm a frayed knot!
>
>"The Two Ronnies" are still KING.
>
A runaway vehicle smashed a hole in the wall of the Blackpool nudist
colony. Police are looking into it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm a frayed knot!
Grantland
terry...@rocketmail.com
> eat your own
> >lungs"? What the fuck kind of a lame-o circa 1921
> >risque insult (troll?) is that supposed to be?
First of all I would like to take exception with the
title of your post. I am not now, and hopefully never
will be a "complete" anything. Completion implies
sterile, elitist, rule bound perspectives,like yours,
that appear to limit your ability to respond to my
taunts with nothing but dumbass word juggling,
deliberate mis-spelling and cutesy-poo
juxtaposition. Pretty dull-witted stuff Brandon.
It's what happens when you try to put LIMITS on
human imagination and passion. Smacks more of
Realism than Surrealism.
>
> Brandon: That (troll) is the terminology that Talysman originally used. So
> if you have a problem with the word troll talked to Talysman, not me.
See what I mean.
>
> Gib: Around these parts, that dosent even qualify as a
> >warm up. I think you are at best some sort of
> >medium sized fish in a tiny little alt.surrealism
> >pond,
>
> Brandon: I am afraid to inform you that surrealism will always be bigger
> than your precious Sub Genius group so if our alt.surrealism is a "little
> pond" you must be in a drain pipe. Fish size medium? Maybe, but that is non
> of your business.
Equating Surrealism with alt.surrealism is
evidence of your bloated ego and not much more. I
can only hope that somehow you will grow your
imagination enough to know the difference.
> Gib: where that sort of "witty" repartee actually
> >constitutes some sort of "cool" provacative
> >comeback. What the hell does "surrealism" even
> >mean in a late 20th century cultural context?
>
> Brandon: The same thing it meant in the 20th century. You fool, surrealism
> has always been in the 20th century. Idiot.
Thank-you, coming from someone like you that
means an awful lot. By the way, is this an attempt
at obtuse humor, or are you really just too dumb to
read text in English?
>
> Gib: >Surely to christ you're not holding yourself out as
> >some surviving purist remanent of some sort of
> >"classic" Surrealist Movement. If so, you are kind of
> >missing the point.
>
> Brandon: What's the point?
Oh Brandon, you make me so sad.
You really should spend some time here on
alt.slack. We gutted surrealism a long time ago, and
stitched the salvageable parts onto the ass end of
Dada. It's not pretty, but it makes a hell of a
tampon.
terry...@rocketmail.com
> > It must have been so "witty" that you forgot to
> > respond to the questions that it contained dickhead.
> > You may be hot shit over on
> > alt.nineteentwentysomethingartmovement, over
> > here you're my bitch.
>
> my, you _do_ have a way with words don't you? but i detect a certain
> anatomical confusion.
No confusion bitch. When I want to hear from you
again I'll rattle my zipper.
>
> i assure you, had i detected a question seeking response in your soliloquy
> i would have answered.
>
> may i suggest you try formulating sentences and questions with the other
> end of your body?
You suck shit, dickhead. The real reason you didnt
answer my questions is because you can't,without
embarassing yourself, you silly little twat.
>
> -- barrett
>
> bar...@MagneticFields.org
> http://www.MagneticFields.org/
>
> "Everything tends to make us believe that there exists a certain point of
> the mind at which life and death, the real and the imagined, past and
> future, the communicable and the incommunicable, high and low, cease to be
> perceived as contradictions."
>
> ...André Breton
>
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P Kinsler
> I'm sorry, but is this all that alt.surrealism has to offer?
> Random word juggling isn't surreal.
True, but the image evoked by the randomly juggled words
might well be surreal.
#Paul, now netscape en/dis-abled.
Brandon J. Freels
imagination.
Surrealist imagery is derived from the unconcious --- not calculated
attempts to be absurd and funny. Anything absurd I produce is done out of
automatism.
The Church of Sub Genius wont make it past surrealism hundredth anniversary.
There is no connection between the Church of Sub Genius and surrealism, but
it seems more like a connection between the Church of Sub Genius and
dadaism.
Is there not a belief in the promiscuity of words created by the unconscious
(accidental) in surrealism?
Talysman asking me to be "consistent" would be leaning towards
systematization which is not surrealism.
I don't understand why Talysman's "whipped cream and maggots" is more valid
than "eat your own lungs."
I never accused anyone else at the Church of Sub Genius of trying to invade
alt.surrealism, only you with your godism.
---BJF
Are you going to explain this Analography to me or not?
Popess Lilith von Fraumench
<htFH2UMJ...@softhome.net>, taly...@softhome.net bellowed forth across
the wasteland:
>
>Popess Lilith's penile array that resembles an agave[2]
Hey, wait....
>[2] OK, so that's not very surreal, either, it's something Popess
>Lilith is quite proud of.
Ah. I was about to SAY. And HURT. And STUFF.
P.Lil
--
|Reverend Doktor Saint Popess| Fools' Press |
| Lilith von Fraumench, Esq. | 1122 E Pike St, #769 |
| Hangnail Of the Stark Fist | Seattle, WA 98122-3934 |
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Popess Lilith von Fraumench
<6vh1g2$hgl$1...@plonk.apk.net>, Don'tM...@me.net bellowed forth across the
wasteland:
>
>
>
>At some point in the past, Terry sputtered:
>
>a
>>> >> baboon and eat your own lungs.
>>
>>
>>"Stop trolling around like a baboon and eat your own
>>lungs"? What the fuck kind of a lame-o circa 1921
>>risque insult (troll?) is that supposed to be?
>>warm up.
>
>first time I have actually sprayed coffee all over my monitor, keyboard
>and toenail clippers while reading any news group. Sure I've read funnier,
>but this was the first time I actually sprayed the place with Costa Rican
>decaf. Bad timing I guess.
Indeed. At this time you should be spraying your face with the Starr report
soaked in burning giraffe urine.
Popess Lilith von Fraumench
<6viatj$srj$1...@news1.Radix.Net>, rev...@radix.net bellowed forth across the
wasteland:
>
>Previously, Brandon J. Freels <Fre...@ethergate.com> wrote:
>
>:solar bear wrote in message ...
>:>In article <_vUS1.89$St1.7...@news.eli.net>, "Brandon J. Freels"
>:><Fre...@ethergate.com> wrote:
>:>
>:>> Bishop Two Beans wrote in message <6vgdk0$daf$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>:>> >(steps in puddle of melting clock)
>:>>
>:>>
>:>> Puddle in a clock of stepping melt
>:>
>:>our clock is better than your clock!
>
>:your clock tastes like cream
>
>juggling isn't surreal.
Well, you know, Jack, it's like Dali used to tell us back in the old days: "The
difference between alt.slack and alt.surrealism is alt.slack is
alt.surrealism."
Popess Lilith von Fraumench
<361CB8F4...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>, pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk bellowed forth
across the wasteland:
>
>Rain King wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry, but is this all that alt.surrealism has to offer?
>> Random word juggling isn't surreal.
>
>big toe that's just hatching out of an egg playing the tuba while
>a sort of shapeless blobby greenish thing flies around the sky in
>a kipper-woman cross with big tits that have propellers instead of
>nipples. Now, that's surreal.
No, that's my porn collection.
Talysman
write in alt.slack:
"note that alt.slack was added prior to Brandon's comments, a fact he may
"have missed and is therefore not necessarily responsible for.
not exactly.
since Brandon was going on and on about me being a SubGenius Spy(tm),
I thought any followups should go to alt.slack ... I asked "why don't
you come to alt.slack?" and also said "followups" redirected.
I figured I'd leave the decision up to Brandon which newsgroup(s) he
wanted to mess up with the argument. I guess he decided to mess up
BOTH.
gotta hand it to him, though, he sure made a lot of enemies fast.
I figured only a few of the superart people would respond, people
like Nenslo (who hasn't even showed up yet.) he's made one friend,
though: Grantland, admired for his tenacity to stick with an argument,
despised for his world-famous poetry (cue to Grantland: now's your
chance to post that "the Badger is on your side" poem.)
I have to thank Brandon, though. I've trolled in some groups without
getting anywhere. I post seriously in alt.surrealism, and now I am
suddenly dubbed the Master Troller and Infernal Spy.
thanks, Brandon! job offers are pouring in!
"on the other hand, you felt your response was so witty and important that
"you found it necessary to send it twice to alt.surrealism while adding yet
"a third group to the thread?
well, that's Terry's thing... you could have snipped alt.fan.art-bell,
though. never mind, I just snipped it for you. my score files actually
kill excessive crossposts, so I don't want this to get out of hand.
--
Oh, I was waiting for God! He's on the parallel bars.
His Most Feathered Eminence, the Ur-Beatle
High Holy Hekkador of alt.slack
Talysman
in alt.slack:
"Popess Lilith von Fraumench wrote:
"> Neener.
"Heyheyheyheyehey!........... No neeners on alt.sur, Popess Lil. We
"haven't decided whether it's surreal or not yet ;)
I like you, xister.
come dance with us in our saucerrealist churches.
--
J. R. "Bob" Dobbs, Deny thy name!
His Most Feathered Eminence, the Ur-Beatle
that guy with the hair
barrett john erickson
>
> > > It must have been so "witty" that you forgot to
> > > respond to the questions that it contained dickhead.
> > > You may be hot shit over on
> > > alt.nineteentwentysomethingartmovement, over
> > > here you're my bitch.
> >
> > my, you _do_ have a way with words don't you? but i detect a certain
> > anatomical confusion.
>
> No confusion bitch. When I want to hear from you
> again I'll rattle my zipper.
>
> >
> > i assure you, had i detected a question seeking response in your soliloquy
> > i would have answered.
> >
> > may i suggest you try formulating sentences and questions with the other
> > end of your body?
>
> You suck shit, dickhead. The real reason you didnt
> answer my questions is because you can't,without
> embarassing yourself, you silly little twat.
>
your youthful volatility is admirable, but your conceptual skills still
need a lot of work. and your perceptions couldn't be more faulty if all
you had to work with was a 5 watt bulb incapable of casting shadows.
but don't be discouraged, maturity may yet come with time.
meanwhile, perhaps some practice in alt.test, or if you want to avoid all
unnecessary embarrassment, off-line training might be more appropriate (but
be sure to lock your door so your parents don't walk in on you).
Bishop Two Beans
"Brandon J. Freels" <Fre...@ethergate.com> wrote:
>
> There is no connection between the Church of Sub Genius and surrealism, but
> it seems more like a connection between the Church of Sub Genius and
> dadaism.
>
That's "BULLDADAISM", kay?
--
Bishop Two Beans
M.O.O.N.
TWOB...@MAILEXCITE.COM
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/9709
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barrett john erickson
>
> Q: How many surrealists does it take to change a lightbulb?
>
> A: fish
>
> Bishop Two Beans
> M.O.O.N.
> TWOB...@MAILEXCITE.COM
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/9709
your attempt to inject humor is appreciated.
since i first saw this joke 4 or 5 years ago i've always considered it a
trivial banality.
but it actually becomes mildly amusing when one suspects the teller
couldn't tell the difference between a surrealist and a fish if he/she were
eating one.
Rev.CEO CJ Venture
>
> terry...@rocketmail.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <
> > 361BB597...@MagneticFields.org>,
> > barrett john erickson <
> > bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
> > > note that alt.slack was added prior to Brandon's comments, a fact he may
> > > have missed and is therefore not necessarily responsible for.
I don't even know where I'm posting this to. Is this alt.fan.pinkboy?
YOU SEE! That's the problem with you Yanks these days. YOU are never
responsible for anything. An old women spills hot coffe on her, she SUES the
coffe machine makers and the poor 17 year old monoparental kid that only
wanted to do her job but wasn't that lucky in life so she had to go and work
for Mc Donalds because her boyfriend was abusive and drank and played video
games all day! but do you care? NOOOOOOOOO! All you care about is WHO'S
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COFFE BEING HOT! like a stupid little kid that can't take
responsabilities for his own actions and say It wasn't his fault. BE AN ADULT!
TAKE RESPONSABILITIE FOR YOUR ACTIONS! I'm SICK of those suers and lawyers!
I'm sick of lawsuits for emotional trauma. I saw The Exorcist when I was 10
and THAT was fucking traumatising, but did I sue? NO!
Lawsuits in the US, THAT is goddamn surrealistic! And Grantland's comments on
people on alt.slack, THAT IS A SUPER MINDBLASTING JUMPIN TIGER FUCKIN
SURREALISTIC ACID TRIP right there! AND YOUR SIG. IT'S... no it's just lame.
Unless you guys talk about art, but I didn't check, AND I CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE
FOR THAT NOW CAN I? Answer THAT mister-I-am-not-reponsible-for-where-I-post!
> > >
> > > on the other hand, you felt your response was so witty and important that
> > > you found it necessary to send it twice to alt.surrealism while adding yet
> > > a third group to the thread?
And you found it important to post THIS to alt.slack. Who do you think you are?
$aint Reverend CEO Conrad J Venture
terry...@rocketmail.com
> imagination.
Fuck you and the final resolution you rode in on. You
can't keep up,can you Brandon? Surrealism may
have been about "freeing" something about 80
freakin years ago, now it's just a word that you use
to hide behind, because unlike the creators of
Surrealism you don't have an original thought in
your noggin.
>
> Surrealist imagery is derived from the unconcious --- not calculated
> attempts to be absurd and funny. Anything absurd I produce is done out of
> automatism.
Your "production" is a hackneyed replication of
stock phrases and images that were in vogue when
my grandpappy first started playing with his pud. It
demonstrates to anyone paying attention that it's
anything but "automatism", your brand of
Surrealism belongs to posey art students from the
1940's.
>
> The Church of Sub Genius wont make it past surrealism hundredth anniversary.
So fucking what. You think because somethings
"old" that makes it "good"? You sound like a
Southern Conference Baptist to me.
>
> There is no connection between the Church of Sub Genius and surrealism, but
> it seems more like a connection between the Church of Sub Genius and
> dadaism.
OOOO......you maybe are paying attention. Perhaps
you should review the original Dada gangs values
and aspirations, and how Surrealism was actually a
betrayal of their original intentions.
> Talysman asking me to be "consistent" would be leaning towards
> systematization which is not surrealism.
Brandon, you don't seem to grasp the fact that we
are a parody of systematization. You appear to
believe that it's all a matter of subscribing to the
"right" system. Now who's practicing a religion?
>
> I don't understand why Talysman's "whipped cream and maggots" is more valid
> than "eat your own lungs."
It's not. It's just that I like him and I don't like you.
>
> I never accused anyone else at the Church of Sub Genius of trying to invade
> alt.surrealism, only you with your godism.
OOOOO.......look everybody he used a small "g" on god,
arent you shocked and offended?! You just dont get
it do you Brandon?
>
> Are you going to explain this Analography to me or not?
NO
solar bear
> Peter Hipwell <pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> >Bishop Two Beans wrote:
> >>
> >> Q: How many surrealists does it take to change a lightbulb?
> >>
> >> A: fish
> >>
> >
> >Ingenious thieves stole all the toilets from Scotland Yard last
> >night. Police say they're baffled: they've got nothing to go on.
> >
> >BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm a frayed knot!
> >
> >"The Two Ronnies" are still KING.
> >
> A runaway vehicle smashed a hole in the wall of the Blackpool nudist
> colony. Police are looking into it.
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm a frayed knot!
>
> Grantland
English nudists...Wahahahaaaa.... now THAT'S surreal!
Bishop Two Beans
barrett john erickson <bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
>
> your attempt to inject humor is appreciated.
>
THANX!
> since i first saw this joke 4 or 5 years ago i've always considered it a
> trivial banality.
Eh?
>
> but it actually becomes mildly amusing when one suspects the teller
> couldn't tell the difference between a surrealist and a fish if he/she were
> eating one.
>
OH! I get it!!! I've just been invited to participate in the "flame war"!!!
(It is a flame war, right? Last time I was in one I was chastized by my fellow
subgenii for taking it a BIT too far. Get back to me on that)
>
> "Everything tends to make us believe that there exists a certain point of
> the mind at which life and death, the real and the imagined, past and
> future, the communicable and the incommunicable, high and low, cease to be
> perceived as contradictions."
>
> ...André Breton
>
tee hee!
--
Bishop Two Beans
M.O.O.N.
TWOB...@MAILEXCITE.COM
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/9709
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barrett john erickson
a rambling diatribe against lawsuit mentality (and the related refusal of
responsibility for one's acts) with which i pretty much agree, except to
point out that it was basically irrelevant since my comment was that
Brandon was not _necessarily_ responsible for the act of adding alt.slack
to the distribution since it had been someone else's post in which it first
appeared. and i only mentioned that to contrast it with the post i was
responding to.
also, just to be fair, i should clarify the case Venture uses as an example
(as i have understood it -- for those who don't know) which involved an old
woman (in her 80's i believe) who suffered third degree burns requiring
hospitalization and multiple skin graphs.
the suit was decided in her favor because the golden arches had a _policy_
of maintaining their coffee at higher than scalding temperatures (much
higher than their competition) _and_ had ignored repeated complaints over a
number of years about the danger that presented to their customers. the
point of the case was to hold a major multi-national corporation
responsible for _its_ actions.
all of which, contrary to Venture's assertion, has almost nothing to do
with surrealism.
> And you found it important to post THIS to alt.slack. Who do you think you are?
unfortunately, yes, since i am responding to posts which have originated in
the environs of alt.slack.
sorry to disturb your meditations. hopefully you don't need my permission
to ignore the balance of this thread.
-- barrett
bar...@MagneticFields.org
http://www.MagneticFields.org/
"Everything tends to make us believe that there exists a certain point of
Popess Lilith von Fraumench
<tg5T1.166$St1.1...@news.eli.net>, Fre...@ethergate.com bellowed forth
across the wasteland:
>
>Surrealism is not about risque insults, but freeing the mind and
>imagination.
I'm sure Klee would agree with you, if he didn't think you were so
insufferable.
>The Church of Sub Genius wont make it past surrealism hundredth anniversary.
Repeat this two more times--it's already a rigidly dogmatic statement but we
may as well formalize the matter.
>There is no connection between the Church of Sub Genius and surrealism, but
>it seems more like a connection between the Church of Sub Genius and
>dadaism.
"Bulldada", thank you.
>I never accused anyone else at the Church of Sub Genius of trying to invade
>alt.surrealism, only you with your godism.
Godism? I'm not quite sure I understand--are you referring to irrational
beliefs in invisible monsters that will kick our asses if we don't fear them,
and will kill our enemies if we kiss their asses enough?
*shrug* It's a living.
Rev.CEO CJ Venture
>
> also, just to be fair, i should clarify the case Venture uses as an example
> (as i have understood it -- for those who don't know) which involved an old
> woman (in her 80's i believe) who suffered third degree burns requiring
> hospitalization and multiple skin graphs.
>
>
> all of which, contrary to Venture's assertion, has almost nothing to do
> with surrealism.
Oh so a melting watch is fine but an old woman's melting skin is not? You art
nazis make me wanna puke! I call it spontaneious surrealistic public
performance art (TM).
elag
barrett john erickson
> Oh so a melting watch is fine but an old woman's melting skin is not? You art
> nazis make me wanna puke! I call it spontaneious surrealistic public
> performance art (TM).
which, on the face of it, confirms my suspicion that you don't know enough
about surrealism to make a declaration that's worth reading about what is
or isn't "surrealistic".
maybe you _are_ waiting for my permission to ignore this thread?
OK, you're dismissed.
barrett john erickson
> OH! I get it!!! I've just been invited to participate in the "flame war"!!!
> (It is a flame war, right? Last time I was in one I was chastized by my fellow
> subgenii for taking it a BIT too far. Get back to me on that)
no, not really.
ordinarily i'll take people at face value, with a full complement of
laissez faire.
but i'm weary of that old joke (to say nothing of terry gibson's one
dimensionality) and made some assumptions about your intent.
looking back at your prior post this may have been unwarranted.
my apologies if no provocation was intended.
barrett john erickson
> Not "in the environs of" alt.slack-- *in* alt.slack.
quite right, thank you.
Rev.CEO CJ Venture
>
> Rev.CEO CJ Venture wrote:
>
> > Oh so a melting watch is fine but an old woman's melting skin is not? You art
> > nazis make me wanna puke! I call it spontaneious surrealistic public
> > performance art (TM).
>
> which, on the face of it, confirms my suspicion that you don't know enough
> about surrealism
Surrealisme: artistic and litterary movement, born after the first world war,
opposing everything ordinate and of logic moral/social convention by values of
dream, instinct, desire and revolt in the expression of "the real fonction of thought".
Surrealism announced by Apollinaire (L'Esprit nouveau 1917) and defined by
André Breton (Manifeste du surréalisme, 1924), follows the movement of dada.
It's precursors are Lautréamont, Rimbaud, Jarry (and symbolists like H.
Rousseau, De Chirico etc), and derives from psychoanalyses and from Hengel's
philosophy. It's influence, a major one between the two world wars, is felt
until now on artistic forms. The most well know of surrealistic artists, who
have expressed themselves through automatism and by a sort of onirical
fantastic are Ernst Masson, Miro, Tanguy, Magritte, Dali, Giascometti,
Brauner, Oscar Dominguez, Wolfgang Paalen, Bellmer and Matta.
That's what I know, oh and that melting watch thing too.
>to make a declaration that's worth reading about what is
> or isn't "surrealistic".
Elitist art bigots like you can't make us spontaneious surrealistic public
performance artists stop our crusade! You will see who has the last laugh.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
> maybe you _are_ waiting for my permission to ignore this thread?
No I _am_ waiting for you to entertain me
$aint Reverend CEO CJ Venture
Bishop Two Beans
barrett john erickson <bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
>
> no, not really.
>
> ordinarily i'll take people at face value, with a full complement of
> laissez faire.
>
> but i'm weary of that old joke (to say nothing of terry gibson's one
> dimensionality) and made some assumptions about your intent.
>
> looking back at your prior post this may have been unwarranted.
>
> my apologies if no provocation was intended.
>
> -- barrett
Sooooo...... Is there a flame war or not?! And am I in it???
D'OH!
solar bear
<bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
> "Rev.CEO CJ Venture" wrote:
>
>
> a rambling diatribe against lawsuit mentality (and the related refusal of
> responsibility for one's acts) with which i pretty much agree, except to
> point out that it was basically irrelevant since my comment was that
> Brandon was not _necessarily_ responsible for the act of adding alt.slack
> to the distribution since it had been someone else's post in which it first
> appeared. and i only mentioned that to contrast it with the post i was
> responding to.
>
> also, just to be fair, i should clarify the case Venture uses as an example
> (as i have understood it -- for those who don't know) which involved an old
> woman (in her 80's i believe) who suffered third degree burns requiring
> hospitalization and multiple skin graphs.
>
> the suit was decided in her favor because the golden arches had a _policy_
> of maintaining their coffee at higher than scalding temperatures (much
> higher than their competition) _and_ had ignored repeated complaints over a
> number of years about the danger that presented to their customers. the
> point of the case was to hold a major multi-national corporation
> responsible for _its_ actions.
>
I like my coffee piping hot, TYVM. Anyone stupid enough to put a cup of
hot coffee between their legs deserves everything they get. That's how it
plays out in Canada... people here are expected to take responsibility for
their own actions. IMO, Mcdonalds got a bum rap, and i think most canadians
would agree with that view.
solar bear
> barrett john erickson wrote:
>
> >
> > also, just to be fair, i should clarify the case Venture uses as an example
> > (as i have understood it -- for those who don't know) which involved an old
> > woman (in her 80's i believe) who suffered third degree burns requiring
> > hospitalization and multiple skin graphs.
> >
> >
> > all of which, contrary to Venture's assertion, has almost nothing to do
> > with surrealism.
>
> Oh so a melting watch is fine but an old woman's melting skin is not? You art
> nazis make me wanna puke! I call it spontaneious surrealistic public
> performance art (TM).
>
If it ain't hot enough to melt a clock, it ain't coffee
solar bear
> barrett john erickson wrote:
> >
> > Rev.CEO CJ Venture wrote:
> >
> > > Oh so a melting watch is fine but an old woman's melting skin is not?
You art
> > > nazis make me wanna puke! I call it spontaneious surrealistic public
> > > performance art (TM).
> >
> > which, on the face of it, confirms my suspicion that you don't know enough
> > about surrealism
>
> Surrealisme: artistic and litterary movement, born after the first world war,
> opposing everything ordinate and of logic moral/social convention by values of
> dream, instinct, desire and revolt in the expression of "the real
fonction of thought".
> Surrealism announced by Apollinaire (L'Esprit nouveau 1917) and defined by
> André Breton (Manifeste du surréalisme, 1924), follows the movement of dada.
> It's precursors are Lautréamont, Rimbaud, Jarry (and symbolists like H.
> Rousseau, De Chirico etc), and derives from psychoanalyses and from Hengel's
> philosophy. It's influence, a major one between the two world wars, is felt
> until now on artistic forms. The most well know of surrealistic artists, who
> have expressed themselves through automatism and by a sort of onirical
> fantastic are Ernst Masson, Miro, Tanguy, Magritte, Dali, Giascometti,
^^^^
> Brauner, Oscar Dominguez, Wolfgang Paalen, Bellmer and Matta.
>
> That's what I know, oh and that melting watch thing too.
>
Dali was a true alchemist. He turned clocks into gold. (his favorite mineral)
Talysman
write in alt.surrealism:
"Sooooo...... Is there a flame war or not?! And am I in it???
not really.... it takes a little explaining...
there was a very huge argument about god in alt.surrealism.
the closest anyone came to supporting religion during this
argument was when I said making gods every day is a surrealist
act, because it is creative and helps undermine any strong
attachment to a god (because it's much harder to keep the
faith if you constantly remind yourself who made up the gods
in the first place.) it's a variation on the ShorDurPerSav
concept.
anyways. no one wrote anything more "religious" than that,
although a couple dogmas came flying out of some people's
newsreaders. the consensus has been that organized religion
is wrong and true believers are sheep.
but Brandon took extreme offense at some of the references
to religion ... for no discernible reason. below is a sample
exchange, from the "Priest, nuns, etc." thread:
elag: You sacreligious folk are all tame.
Brandon: Priests should be spit on. Nuns sodomized.
And followers excluded.
Dale H.: Whoa! Priests should be on spits. Nuns simonized.
And followers followed.
Brandon: What is with the sad devotion to supporting religion
on this surrealism newgroup?
the dscussion degenerated from there. I tried to keep it out
of the gutter, but Brandon wanted to turn it into a flame war,
especially as he began to think of me as a "Catholic in the
watchtower" or something qually sinister (the others he seemed
to regard as mere deluded fellow travellers.)
finally, when flamewar seemed inevitable and all others were
bored with the topic, I suggested he should bring it over to
alt.slack where he could discuss religion to his heart's content.
SENSATION! he immediately accused me of being a SubGenius spy
(Seig Heil!) and began searching for proof.
this thread was the end result.
so, in a sense it's a flame war, but against ONE PERSON (Brandon,)
not against the alt.surrealism group, many of whom are laughing at
Brandon almost as hard as the SubGenii. so the rules of conflict
are NO COLLATERAL DAMAGE. except where the villagers decide they
want to join the fray (I feel sorry for Barrett, he's not that bad,
but it looks like he wants a piece of Terry Gibson for himself.)
and I would like here to officially apologize for the premature
detonation of Grantland's CombatPoetry(TM). I never thought we
would wind up using a weapon so devastating.
--
Your thirteen clitorises strongly suggest your amorality.
His Most Feathered Eminence, the Ur-Beatle
Last Hidden Ascended Master
Talysman
backbone providers; Brandon's original post never made it through.
I am therefore stealing his comments from Terry Gibson's quotes,
but I have confirmed via DejaNews that there was no misquouting.
In article <tg5T1.166$St1.1...@news.eli.net>, Brandon
J. Freels" <Fre...@ethergate.com> wrote:
"> There is no connection between the Church of Sub Genius and
">surrealism, but it seems more like a connection between the Church
">of Sub Genius and dadaism.
there's that connection, too. but compare the ideals of the
CotSG to those of surrealism: the CotSG believes that there is
a Conspiracy of normality that seeks to repress and inhibit our
raw urges through an implanted "desire" for group belonging --
a false desire implanted and reinforced through religion, politics,
and advertising.
the CotSG believes in fighting this Conspiracy any way we can:
culture jamming, protest, rebellion, refusal to conform, open
or subtle mockery, spreading the truth, revealing lies... and
especially revealing the Big Lie that someone out there actually
knows the truth.
the CotSG believes in fighting dogma by parody and by constantly
changing our *own* dogma, and by making our dogma SO ABSURD no
one will ever be mislead by false religion again, so long as they
have "Bob" in their hearts (this is why we are called The One True
Bogus Religion.)
the CotSG believes all this fighting and rebelling and parody is
necessary because the Conspiracy is not only stealing our Slack, they
are *killing* us -- we are being VIOLENTLY attacked by our enemies,
and only extreme measures will work against them.
quotes from the Book of the SubGenius:
So KICK that Conspiracy Devil out of your life.
SLAP YOURSELF until you KNOW you're AWAKE! What
you think, IS RIGHT!! You gotta GET OFF YOUR
ASS, pardon my language. QUIT WAITING FOR SOME-
ONE TO "EXPLAIN" EVERYTHING TO YOU!! THERE IS
NO EXPLANATION -- that's the whole first half
of the EXPLANATION! STOP MAKING IT ALL SO
COMPLICATED -- TAKE THE SLACK! It was yours
all along but The Conspiracy had you looking
for something more EXPENSIVE! "The Answer"
always was that you already had The Answer. (p182)
... it's TIED to the feelings you had as a kid
playing alone on your bedroom floor, it's TIED
to YOUR BRAIN, which used to go *into* that
world of toys, and YOU CAN STILL ENTER THAT
KINGDOM while a Pink can't; YOU NEVER GREW UP,
PRAISE RA! You can still make up your OWN
RULES while that Pink is waiting for a Tit to
drop on him from somewhere. You can enter his
world any time you like but he doesn't even
know YOURS is THERE. (p184)
does it seem more surrealist now, Brandon? does that sound like
dada to you? pasting the Head everywhere or adding the Pipe to
people's mouths in pictures is dada, but THIS isn't.
"> I don't understand why Talysman's "whipped cream and maggots" is
">more valid than "eat your own lungs."
because my whipped cream and maggots ATE your lungs.
"> I never accused anyone else at the Church of Sub Genius of trying
">to invade alt.surrealism, only you with your godism.
you accused me of being a spy for alt.slack. can one be a spy and
have no master? who do I spy for? what is the point of my spying?
"> Are you going to explain this Analography to me or not?
I did, in pornographic detail.
--
so strong, it'll put hair on your first date!
His Most Feathered Eminence, the Ur-Beatle
Grantland
>I admire your honesty. Thank you.
>---BJF
>
>>"Brandon J. Freels" <Fre...@ethergate.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Brandon: Towards the end. I wish you would stop trolling around like a
>>>baboon and eat your own lungs.
>>
>> Don't worry too much about talysman, Brandon. He's a bit of a joke
>>here on alt.slack - what we call a "bobbie". Nobody takes him too
>>seriously..just laugh him off.
>>
>>Grantland
>
Thanks Brandon. By the way, where on earth did that bizarre name
"Freels" originate from? "Freels" Freels Freels Freels heh-heh
Freels
"Freels feels freely in the fields"
feely feely Freels.
Three free Freels!
Fields of free feely Freels
eely eely feely feely Freels!
Hey! How d'you like it?
Grantland
Grantland
>but it actually becomes mildly amusing when one suspects the teller
>couldn't tell the difference between a surrealist and a fish if he/she were
>eating one.
>
mmm surrealist and chips yum yum fried or boiled
wally
>
Grantland
>In article <361D2E15...@ccnmail.com>, scatos...@ccnmail.com wrote:
>
>> barrett john erickson wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > also, just to be fair, i should clarify the case Venture uses as an example
>> > (as i have understood it -- for those who don't know) which involved an old
>> > woman (in her 80's i believe) who suffered third degree burns requiring
>> > hospitalization and multiple skin graphs.
>> >
>> >
>> > all of which, contrary to Venture's assertion, has almost nothing to do
>> > with surrealism.
>>
>> Oh so a melting watch is fine but an old woman's melting skin is not? You art
>> nazis make me wanna puke! I call it spontaneious surrealistic public
>> performance art (TM).
>>
>If it ain't hot enough to melt a clock, it ain't coffee
SHUT UP!
Grantland
TarlaStar
>Bishop Two Beans wrote:
>>
>> Q: How many surrealists does it take to change a lightbulb?
>>
>> A: fish
>>
>> --
>> Bishop Two Beans
>> M.O.O.N.
>> TWOB...@MAILEXCITE.COM
>> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/9709
>your attempt to inject humor is appreciated.
>since i first saw this joke 4 or 5 years ago i've always considered it a
>trivial banality.
>but it actually becomes mildly amusing when one suspects the teller
>couldn't tell the difference between a surrealist and a fish if he/she were
>eating one.
Hey now, female surrealists have confused us all before.
*****
"Oh this age! How tasteless and ill bred it is."--Catullus
*****
Grantland
>Rain King wrote:
>> I'm sorry, but is this all that alt.surrealism has to offer?
>> Random word juggling isn't surreal.
>
>True, but the image evoked by the randomly juggled words
>might well be surreal.
>
>#Paul, now netscape en/dis-abled.
Where's the Ghost? ... ..
Where's the Ghost?
: {[CONFRONT YOURSELF!]}:
Where's the Ghost?
While paging through some photographs
While seated round the fire
I chanced upon a miracle
Which blew my frazzled mind.
Where's the Ghost?
:{[CONFRONT YOURSELF!]}:
Where's the Ghost?
Where's the Ghost?
My guests were slightly anxious
As my wife kept flipping over
At my mounting high excitement
And continuing exhortation
"Where's the Ghost"?
:{[CONFRONT YOURSELF!]}:
Where's the Ghost?
Because it was my father
and perhaps a tad too intimate
Why she lost it quite deliberately
with my voice growing more insistent
and the guests concern was mounting
as the fingers kept on shuffling
"Where's the Ghost?"
:{[CONFRONT YOURSELF!]}:
Where's the Ghost?
The shot was of the preacher
With his hand upraised in benison
And the bridal couple simpering
In the shade.
:{[CONFRONT YOURSELF!]}:
His hand upraised in benison
In the shade.
Outside the bridal canopy
The hot bright sun was shining
And the light too bright devining
Through the broken overhanging..
And the contrast too confusing
For the film.
weedding [phhotos a certain interplay of sadow light and rendered a
overexxxposedwedding -guest it struck me tat the fellow seemed to
pale to be a man.
:{[CONFRONT YOURSELF!]}:
Where's the Ghost?
CONFRONT YOURSELF!
[Whhere's the Ghost?}
[Whhere's the Ghost?}
CONFRONT YOURSELF!
Where is that goddamn spirit
Where is that da da da
Stop fucking with the photos
And find the bloody thing!
Where's the Ghost?
Where's the Ghost?
Disapointing coconut -dessicated dissipated dissapointing
delapidated coconut
CONFRONT YOURSELF!
Grantland
mj...@my-dejanews.com
barrett john erickson <bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
> your attempt to inject humor is appreciated.
Stuff it up your Arse!!!
>
> since i first saw this joke 4 or 5 years ago i've always considered it a
> trivial banality.
> but it actually becomes mildly amusing when one suspects the teller
> couldn't tell the difference between a surrealist and a fish if he/she were
> eating one.
hmmm eating a surrealist.... sounds tasty, Pass the Mustard!!
>
> -- barrett <----- WANKER!!!!!
>
--
Sic Itur Ad Astra
To email me try mjgday<at>netscape<dot>net
Grantland
>
>Hey now, female surrealists have confused us all before.
^^^^
'Bit of a giveaway there eh Tarla?
<chortle>
Grantland
Talysman
write in alt.slack:
"On the eve of Thu, 08 Oct 1998 15:56:09 GMT, in the Temple of
"<tg5T1.166$St1.1...@news.eli.net>, Fre...@ethergate.com bellowed forth
"across the wasteland:
">The Church of Sub Genius wont make it past surrealism hundredth
">anniversary.
"Repeat this two more times--it's already a rigidly dogmatic statement
"but we may as well formalize the matter.
in fact, I think it would make a great new Church dogma!
The Church of the SubGenius won't make it past
surrealism's 100th anniversary, PRA"BOB"!
come to think of it, that would be 2021, would it not? the saucers
are bound to be here by then. HASTY AMENDMENT OF DOGMA:
*NOTHING* on Earth will make it past
surrealism's 100th anniversary, PRA"BOB"!
">I never accused anyone else at the Church of Sub Genius of trying to invade
">alt.surrealism, only you with your godism.
"Godism? I'm not quite sure I understand--are you referring to
"irrational beliefs in invisible monsters that will kick our asses if
"we don't fear them, and will kill our enemies if we kiss their asses
"enough?
here is an example of what he's complaining about: a largish post
I made in the thread "ARSENAL [was Re: Answering my own question]".
note especially the parts about "making your own gods" and the
reference to the origin of Zeus.
=====BEGIN EXCERPT=====
ah, so here is the problem: we do not speak the same language.
for me, a god is exactly that: holistic and non-theological (as
you are using the term.) for you, a god is so much more: it is
the sum of all the negative things done in any god's name.
to illustrate this, let me tell you three stories of my religious
experiences:
1. I looked outside a window. the sun was close to setting,
and shone through the trees in golden rays, playing on the
leaves and forming those eerie shafts of sunlight you can
sometimes see that look like something solid but translucent.
looking at them, I temporarily slipped out of conscious
awareness and ceased to be seperate from the act of looking;
there was no sun, no tree, no I; and I realized that there
would be no such experience unless all of these were involved.
"this is god," I said.
2. I stood on a street corner, watching the birds getting ready
to roost. they were flying together in a flock, circling,
diving, rising, and I became fascinated at the way they moved
not as individual birds, but as a single large organism of
many bodies, flowing through the sky. and I further realized
that the movement of this many-headed beast was determined
not only by the desires of each bird, but by the demands of
all their ancestors for a million years, and by the masses
of air that flowed around them... and me. and again, I stopped
feeling apart from what I was watching and became a part of
what I was watching -- it was all one harmony.
"this is god," I said.
3. I sat in my livingroom, watching TV. while watching, I began
to become less aware of it as a conscious process, and began
to feel that it was not I watching TV, but the TV that was
watching TV. we were watching each other... and I was watching
myself watching TV. again, it was all a harmonious process,
me sitting in the livingroom at night in front of a glowing
screen.
"this is god," I said.
so you see, for me, god is not a who or a what, but a how. god
is that realization of the interconnectedness, the joyous discovery
of pattern in what is supposed to be chaos. you would probably
call this a holistic view, but the word "god" holds so much distaste
for you (because of the horrors you've seen?) that you would not
share my realization.
because every god begins in that same way. when the Greeks
imagined Zeus throwing lightning bolts, it is because they saw
some kind of pattern, a wholeness in the world that frightened
and awed them. it was only after this first illumination that
they began to kill the god Zeus with the inanities of religion.
this is why I say "make a new god every morning". if you keep
giving birth to new gods, you won't have time to kill them, or
anyone else.
=====END OF EXCERPT=====
--
Hey! Who put sci-fi-movie-esque tits in my friend's VEAL?
His Most Feathered Eminence, the Ur-Beatle
High Holy Hekkador of alt.slack
Stefan Kapusniak
In alt.surrealism, Rain King <rev...@radix.net> wrote:
>Please explain "Mister Blobbie".
You see I would explain "Mister Blobbie", but regrettably
he is listed on the chart as an advanced topic. This means
that if I explained him to you at this current point in
the nine year education programme you would quickly accelerate
ahead of your classmates. Naturally we couldn't take
account of that in our subsequent lessons, since a proper
education depends on strict adherence to the schedule outlined
on the chart. This gives the proper numbing effect required
to prepare you for semi-skilled menial work in a nineteenth
century dark satanic mill, and the necessary habit of obeying
your orders to go 'over the top' during the Great War.
If I was so unwise as to give into your request, you would
quickly become disatisfied with the level of richness
available in these prepatory years, since you would have
tasted something more. This would cause you internal
conflict between your desire for knowledge and experience
and your desire for approval from us. We have discovered
that this conflict inevitably leads to nervous breakdown,
discontent, rebellion, escape into mind-altering substances,
and an attempt to create meaning and self-worth through
shared criminal exploits, sex and early pregnancy.
This is why we keep you away from older and more experienced
people by segregating you by age, impressing upon you that
you should never talk to strangers and that its rude to look
at other people with curiosity or interest, and exiling you
to safe suburbs where you are dependent for transportation
on vehicles which you are not allowed to operate yourself.
It would also be helpful if you could refrain from taking
in information from sources other than ourselves, whether
from television, radio, paper publications, the internet
or any family members with more experience than you. We
do our best to cleanse these sources of all information
content but we do not always succeed.
Since you have expressed an interest tho', I will of course
give you more work, doing problems that you already know
exactly how to solve since they are similar to the ones you
have solved many times before, in order to _stretch_ you.
Don't fail to do these in your free-time or we will
unfortunately have to punish you. This is vitally necessary
for your education into a person who is ready to take their
place as a full contributer to society.
-- Kapusniak, Stefan m
TarlaStar
>In article <361D174C...@MagneticFields.org>, barrett john erickson
><bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
>> "Rev.CEO CJ Venture" wrote:
>I like my coffee piping hot, TYVM. Anyone stupid enough to put a cup of
>hot coffee between their legs deserves everything they get. That's how it
>plays out in Canada... people here are expected to take responsibility for
>their own actions. IMO, Mcdonalds got a bum rap, and i think most canadians
>would agree with that view.
Goddammit, I said I wouldn't argue this case again, but Bear, learn
the fucking facts before you call someone stupid. The woman wasn't
driving the car, she was seated in the passenger seat, trying to put
cream and sugar in the coffee. Her grandson was driving. She was
wearing a pair of sweatpants and was stabilizing the coffee while she
doctored it. When it spilled on her, it gave her third degree burns
which required three skin graft operations to repair. She didn't sue
them at first, she simply wanted the hospital costs covered. But
McDonald's didn't want to pay that, so they ended up being sued.
During the trial it was discovered that there were approx. 10
incidences a year like this which resulted in serious injury BECAUSE
of McDonald's policy of holding coffee at a much higher than
reccommended temperature. They were held responsiblfe for their own
actions.
*****
"We gutted surrealism a long time ago, and stitched the
salvageable parts onto the ass end of Dada. It's not pretty,
but it makes a hell of a tampon." -- T.Gibson
*****
TarlaStar
>bmy...@ionet.net (TarlaStar) wrote:
>>
>>Hey now, female surrealists have confused us all before.
> ^^^^
>'Bit of a giveaway there eh Tarla?
I'm not sure what you mean, but then again, I rarely am.
Peter Hipwell
>
> English nudists...Wahahahaaaa.... now THAT'S surreal!
>
Nudist colonies have been a staple of English humour for most of
the century. "All very chilly and a trifle damp" as the great
George Formby put it.
--
"I want to write about the philosophy of sitting in chairs because
I have a reputation for lolling." -- Lin Yutang
Peter Hipwell
>
> Previously, Peter Hipwell <pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> :"The Two Ronnies" are still KING.
>
> Please explain "Mister Blobbie".
>
Mister Blobbie was one of the reoccurring villains in the much
beloved TV SF series, "Dr. Who", a show about a semi-senile old
man who cavorted about the universe in a 1950s era London Police
Box with nubile young female "assistants". Mister Blobbie first
appeared in the 1972 story "Brown Source", an exciting six parter.
Landing in a Dorset quarry, the Doctor encounters the enigmatic
Mr. and Mrs. Keith Pratt, touring the county in a decrepit old
Morris Minor. They tell a strange tale about a pack of mysterious
Brummie Mods on vespa scooters who are looking for dinosaur
footprints. The Doctor realizes that these are Clangers, mad
suicidal lunatic aliens who are looking for a source of Pugwash,
the temporally confused mineral which could power the opening of
a transcontinual gate leading to the Monstroid-Universe and turn all living
beings in the Universe into bubbling sticky slag. It
soon transpires that the Doctor and his assistants, Maggie
Philbin, Valerie Singleton and Jasper Carrot are captured by the
Mod-Vargons in the village of Crinkley Bottom, where their leader,
an obnoxious smooth talking man called Edmonds, who has a horrific
fungus-like beard and enjoys making obscene phone calls to his
victims before suffocating them with piles of green slime. The
Doctor escapes using his fugtronic spanner and a ten pound note,
and makes his way to the village pub, the "Norman Wisdom", where
he drinks ten pints and falls through a secret trapdoor, thereby
uncovering the secret lair of "Mr. Blobbie", a large inflatable
pink monster with yellow dots on it. Enlisting the help of Eric
Cantona, Vinnie Jones, Rod Hull & Emu and Brian Blessed, he kicks
the shit out of the monster really viciously and then crushes its
head with a massive sledgehammer, after reciting poetry to it and
tauntingly chanting "Blobbie Blobbie Blobbie".
barrett john erickson
> Surrealisme: artistic and litterary movement... etc.
you still here?
you've been dismissed. we've discovered you belong in a different class,
remember?
you're welcome to audit, of course, but to be readmitted to participatory
status you'll have to demonstrate a better understanding of the subject
matter than you have so far and an ability to contribute something
meaningful to the discussion of surrealism.
barrett john erickson
>
> In article <361CF77D...@MagneticFields.org>,
> barrett john erickson <bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
>
>
> Stuff it up your Arse!!!
>
you go to school with terry gibson? on the same debate team perhaps?
P Kinsler
> =====BEGIN EXCERPT=====
> ...
> 3. I sat in my livingroom, watching TV. while watching, I began
> to become less aware of it as a conscious process, and began
> to feel that it was not I watching TV, but the TV that was
> watching TV. we were watching each other... and I was watching
> myself watching TV. again, it was all a harmonious process,
> me sitting in the livingroom at night in front of a glowing
> screen.
Isn't digital TV marvelous. But what I want to know,
is how have they collected enough fingers?
#Paul.
Jim Vandewalker
<pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
{ Rain King wrote:
{ >
{ > Previously, Peter Hipwell <pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
{ >
{ > :"The Two Ronnies" are still KING.
{ >
{ > Please explain "Mister Blobbie".
{ >
{
{ Mister Blobbie was one of the reoccurring villains in the much
{ beloved TV SF series, "Dr. Who", a show about a semi-senile old
{ man who cavorted about the universe in a 1950s era London Police
{ Box with nubile young female "assistants". Mister Blobbie first
{ appeared in the 1972 story "Brown Source", an exciting six parter.
{ Landing in a Dorset quarry, the Doctor encounters the enigmatic
{ Mr. and Mrs. Keith Pratt, touring the county in a decrepit old
{ Morris Minor. They tell a strange tale about a pack of mysterious
{ Brummie Mods on vespa scooters who are looking for dinosaur
{ footprints. The Doctor realizes that these are Clangers, mad
No, no -- the Clangers were in "Invasion from Delta Composittae," that
episode about sentient dandelions taking over the lawn of the EEOC
Headquarters in Paris. It featured the controversial appearance by Mandy
Rhys-Davies. It was the last show completed before Tom Baker's debilitating
stroke and is generally regarded as the high point of his career, as the
subsequent speech impediment, drooling, and leg-dragging seen in later
episodes were thought to significantly detract from his credibility as a
Time Lord.
{ suicidal lunatic aliens who are looking for a source of Pugwash,
{ the temporally confused mineral which could power the opening of
{ a transcontinual gate leading to the Monstroid-Universe and turn all living
{ beings in the Universe into bubbling sticky slag.
{ Enlisting the help of Eric
{ Cantona, Vinnie Jones, Rod Hull & Emu and Brian Blessed, he kicks
{ the shit out of the monster really viciously and then crushes its
{ head with a massive sledgehammer, after reciting poetry to it and
{ tauntingly chanting "Blobbie Blobbie Blobbie".
{
--
Jim the Prophet
Licensed SubGenius Minister
Peter Hipwell
I hesitate to contradict your expertise, Jim, but I think you have
made a couple of (understandable) mistakes above. For a start, you
have confused the Clangers with the Krankies. The Krankies, if you
recall, were another form of mad suicidal lunatic alien, dual
entities with severe hormonal imbalances and consequently
disturbed mood-swinging minds. The appearance of Mandy Rhys-Davies
in IFDC is controversial only because no one outside a few -- I
can only say obsessive -- fans of hers really do believe that it
WAS her inside the shambling dandelion slimelord costume. The
rumour arises solely because of a barbed sarcastic insult that
Terry-Thomas was heard to utter during the filming of "Killed By
Death". Most rational Whovians stick to the hypothesis that this
part was played by Bernard Bresslaw, as he claims in his autobiography "Feet
In Mouth Disease". It is unfortunate that the
BBC at this time employed a schizophrenic Frenchman called Rene Artois as a
credit writer -- much valuable cast information from
the period has been lost due to the deranged fantasies of this
man. I do agree with you that Tom Baker subsequently was less
than sparkling, however: the following series featured Daleks
equipped with "Alzheimer's Rays" or similar so many times that the
device became tiresome.
barrett john erickson
> want to join the fray (I feel sorry for Barrett, he's not that bad,
> but it looks like he wants a piece of Terry Gibson for himself.)
no need.
actually, i was merely trying to point out the hypocrisy of his initial
post (primarily for the benefit of the "art-bell" folks whoever they may
be). if his subsequent replies hadn't been so laughingly acidic, i
wouldn't have been inspired to say any more.
Rev.CEO CJ Venture
>
> [ir]Rev.CEO CJ Venture called from the hall.
>
> > Surrealisme: artistic and litterary movement... etc.
>
> you still here?
>
> you've been dismissed. we've discovered you belong in a different class,
> remember?
Who's we? You and your elitist bourgeois warm coffee lovin art history mob?
>
> you're welcome to audit, of course, but to be readmitted to participatory
> status you'll have to demonstrate a better understanding of the subject
> matter than you have so far and an ability to contribute something
> meaningful to the discussion of surrealism.
You know NOTHING of slack even though you were the one who started coming here
with your wise ass comments about not being responsible for where you post and
THAT's what it's all about. NOT everything is about surrealism, alt.slack is
not about surrealism.
And you're still not entertaining me.
$aint Reverend CEO CJ Venture
Rev.CEO CJ Venture
> ><bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
>
> >> "Rev.CEO CJ Venture" wrote:
> >I like my coffee piping hot, TYVM. Anyone stupid enough to put a cup of
> >hot coffee between their legs deserves everything they get. That's how it
> >plays out in Canada... people here are expected to take responsibility for
> >their own actions. IMO, Mcdonalds got a bum rap, and i think most canadians
> >would agree with that view.
>
> Goddammit, I said I wouldn't argue this case again, but Bear, learn
> the fucking facts before you call someone stupid. The woman wasn't
> driving the car, she was seated in the passenger seat, trying to put
> cream and sugar in the coffee. Her grandson was driving. She was
> wearing a pair of sweatpants and was stabilizing the coffee while she
> doctored it. When it spilled on her, it gave her third degree burns
> which required three skin graft operations to repair. She didn't sue
> them at first, she simply wanted the hospital costs covered. But
> McDonald's didn't want to pay that, so they ended up being sued.
> During the trial it was discovered that there were approx. 10
> incidences a year like this which resulted in serious injury BECAUSE
> of McDonald's policy of holding coffee at a much higher than
> reccommended temperature.
No Tarla, the serious injuries are the result of 10 people having an accident
while holding their coffee. Imagine the number of Mcdonald's there are, how
much coffee they sell a year, and then compare with the number of accidents,
it's surprisingly low. I'm sure there are as much accidents with slippy wet
floors or whatever. She took the coffee in the car, she "mishandled" it, she
should be held responsible. She can't blame anybody for giving her hot coffee.
And holding a styrofoam glass between her legs, that's plain dumb. But she
lives in a system where she can sue anybody for anything. She can't be
accountable for any action she takes. If she slips, she'll sue the city or the
sidewalk cement producer, small kids get sued for sexual harrassment, A guy
sued the guy his wife was cheating on him with for "love trauma" or something
(60 minutes last sunday). From here, it looks really weird that judicial
system you got.
> They were held responsible for their own
> actions.
No they sold the coffee, she mishandled the coffee, it's her fault because
like Bear said, coffee's supposed to be hot (or it ain't coffee) and should be
handled accordingly.
$aint Reverend CEO CJ Venture
>
Popess Lilith von Fraumench
<361E1B99...@MagneticFields.org>, bar...@MagneticFields.org bellowed
forth across the wasteland:
>
>mj...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>>
>> In article <361CF77D...@MagneticFields.org>,
>> barrett john erickson <bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Stuff it up your Arse!!!
>>
>
>
>you go to school with terry gibson? on the same debate team perhaps?
*looks at Barrett's letter jacket* Ah, you went to Ad Hominem High...!
P.Lil
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Brandon J. Freels
I am un-American and a communist.
You are correct. I never had a project. I ran across you post at alt.slack
by accident. I interpreted it as a confession to provocation of Mr. Barrett
and others (possibly myself), and not being serious or concerned with
surrealism. If I was wrong I apologize.
Confusion will always exist between two communicating entities.
What kind of revisions would you make to the Analography Manifesto?
I could not access your column.
You can analyze "Un Chien Anadalou." Its not impossible. The impossibility
is a correct answer.
I admire your reason for the production of your manifesto (forgive me, I
didn't plan on compliment you).
We are all lying.
I am not your enemy.
The only responses to any of these posts from alt.surrealism seem to have
been from Mr. Barret and elag (in response to your "oh, wait, the other
surrealists don't believe you either").
I took extreme offense to nothing.
I never "thought" of you as a "Catholic in a watchtower."
When the flame war was inevitable you suggested to go to alt.slack to fight
the war, and I saw this as a way for you to move the war to your own turf
with your own people. Why move?
I had no idea that you were a Sub Genius.
I am laughing, alt.surrealism is laughing at me (who?), and the Sub Genius
don't know how to stop laughing (it has nothing to do with me they have
always been laughing).
If Terry Gibson wants to send me hate e-mail from his high school e-mail
account for the rest of his high school education he is welcome to.
According to Grantland you aren't thought of much at alt.slack either. How
do you know they aren't laughing at you?
I find your use of the word "God" pathetic. Just like other overused words
(art, feelings, etc.) it has come to mean nothing.
Is the Church of Sub Genius against sociology?
I agree, no one knows the truth. The truth is impossible.
If you parody something you become it (read Susan Sontag's article "The
Pornographic Imagination").
The Sub Genius doesn't sound surreal, but it does sound interesting.
I do not believe in metaphors. When I say something I mean it.
---BJF
solar bear
Sir, you are not NENSLO. I must therefore insist that you retract that remark.
terry...@rocketmail.com
361CF6B5...@MagneticFields.org>,
barrett john erickson <
bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
> >
> > > > It must have been so "witty" that you forgot to
> > > > respond to the questions that it contained dickhead.
> > > > You may be hot shit over on
> > > > alt.nineteentwentysomethingartmovement, over
> > > > here you're my bitch.
> > >
> > > my, you _do_ have a way with words don't you? but i detect a certain
> > > anatomical confusion.
> >
> > No confusion bitch. When I want to hear from you
> > again I'll rattle my zipper.
> >
> > >
> > > i assure you, had i detected a question seeking response in your soliloquy
> > > i would have answered.
> > >
> > > may i suggest you try formulating sentences and questions with the other
> > > end of your body?
> >
> > You suck shit, dickhead. The real reason you didnt
> > answer my questions is because you can't,without
> > embarassing yourself, you silly little twat.
> >
>
> your youthful volatility is admirable, but your conceptual skills still
> need a lot of work. and your perceptions couldn't be more faulty if all
> you had to work with was a 5 watt bulb incapable of casting shadows.
"Youthful volatility?", BWAHAHAHA. Yer talking
about a luxury I can't afford dickhead.
But hey bitch! I told you ,listen for the zipper.
Now don't bug me I'm fucking busy having a life,
online and OFF.
>
> "Everything tends to
> death, the real
> perceived as contradictions."
>
...André Breton and
gibson incomplete moron
xister
Talysman wrote:
>
>
> quotes from the Book of the SubGenius:
>
> So KICK that Conspiracy Devil out of your life.
> SLAP YOURSELF until you KNOW you're AWAKE! What
> you think, IS RIGHT!! You gotta GET OFF YOUR
> ASS, pardon my language. QUIT WAITING FOR SOME-
> ONE TO "EXPLAIN" EVERYTHING TO YOU!! THERE IS
> NO EXPLANATION -- that's the whole first half
> of the EXPLANATION! STOP MAKING IT ALL SO
> COMPLICATED -- TAKE THE SLACK! It was yours
> all along but The Conspiracy had you looking
> for something more EXPENSIVE! "The Answer"
> always was that you already had The Answer. (p182)
>
> ... it's TIED to the feelings you had as a kid
> playing alone on your bedroom floor, it's TIED
> to YOUR BRAIN, which used to go *into* that
> world of toys, and YOU CAN STILL ENTER THAT
> KINGDOM while a Pink can't; YOU NEVER GREW UP,
> PRAISE RA! You can still make up your OWN
> RULES while that Pink is waiting for a Tit to
> drop on him from somewhere. You can enter his
> world any time you like but he doesn't even
> know YOURS is THERE. (p184)
HALAYLOOLYA I HAVE SEEN BOB! EAWEqWEWEEWNVIIV?(speaking in tounges)
VLIRGG RIR! VKRUR FRRRW RIENFRIUF<@^%@---- Makes perfect sense to
me....
--
Reply (sans hyphen) to the x-i...@earthlink.net
Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothin' you can measure anymore
The Blizzard of the world has crossed the threshold
and it's overturned the order of the soul...
When they said, "Repent!" I wondered what they meant.
I've seen the future brother, it is murder...
-LEONARD COHEN-
Jim Vandewalker
wrote:
>Jim Vandewalker wrote:
>>
>> In article <361E0DF2...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk>, Peter Hipwell
>> <pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> { Rain King wrote:
>> { >
>> { > Previously, Peter Hipwell <pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>> { >
>> { > :"The Two Ronnies" are still KING.
>> { >
>> { > Please explain "Mister Blobbie".
>> { >
>> {
>> { Mister Blobbie was one of the reoccurring villains in the much
>> { beloved TV SF series, "Dr. Who",
>> { They tell a strange
>> { tale about a pack of mysterious Brummie Mods on vespa scooters
>> { who are looking for dinosaur footprints. The Doctor realizes
>> { that these are Clangers
>>
>> No, no -- the Clangers were in "Invasion from Delta
>> Composittae," that episode about sentient dandelions taking over
>> the lawn of the EEOC Headquarters in Paris. It featured the
>> controversial appearance by Mandy Rhys-Davies.
>>
>
>I hesitate to contradict your expertise, Jim, but I think you have
>made a couple of (understandable) mistakes above. For a start, you
>have confused the Clangers with the Krankies. The Krankies, if you
>recall, were another form of mad suicidal lunatic alien, dual
>entities with severe hormonal imbalances and consequently
>disturbed mood-swinging minds. The appearance of Mandy Rhys-Davies
>in IFDC is controversial only because no one outside a few -- I
>can only say obsessive -- fans of hers really do believe that it
>WAS her inside the shambling dandelion slimelord costume.
Your remarks, my dear Hipwell, ordinarily so cogent, are, I hesitate to
point out, in this case just the tiniest bit off the mark. I fear I cannot
agree that there has ever been the SLIGHTEST controversy over the toothsome
Miss Rhys-Davies' particpation in "Invasion From Delta Composittae." I
fear you may have forgotten John Profumo's remarks about the matter quoted
at length in BOTH The Star AND The SUNDAY Telegraph ("Oh, aye, that was 'er
bum right enough--know it anywhere, I would.") And I think it rather hard
of you to characterize those of us who have a REASONABLE FAMILIARITY with
the Baker canon as "obsessive." There are those of us who have a SIMPLE,
HEALTHY INTEREST in Whoviana PURELY AS A MATTER OF WOHLESOME RECREATOIN.
But I believe it was YOU, on the other hand, who was ARRESTED in that
STINKING BAGNIO in BELGRAVIA hanging onto a FOUR-YARD-LONG WOOLEN SCARF,
accosting mini-skirted grils on the street, and moaning about the loss of
your HYPERPROCTOSCOPIC SCREWDRIVER. No indeed, Mr. Peter SMARMY-PANTS
Hipwell, it may be very hard for DRANOBRILLING STUMFUTS such as yourself to
appreciate the START OF MIND of an HONEST AMATEUR, when CLEARLY you are
TOMATOTALLY WALLOONING in some kind of SLOOP of DERGADARENE FLITH where it
is IMPREPONSIBLE for you to see any DRESCENT HOONRABLE MOTREVACATIONS in
the WRODS of ACTOINS or another. I urge you to seek PRONSEFFIONAL HLEP.
With profoundest regards, sir, I remain
Yr. Ob'dt Svt,
---
Jim the Prophet
Licensed SubGenius Preacher
jim...@gate.net
xister
Rev.CEO CJ Venture wrote:
> TAKE RESPONSABILITIE FOR YOUR ACTIONS! I'm SICK of those suers and lawyers!
Hey! I'll have you know that american lawyers LOVE sewers.... er, suers..
xister
Talysman wrote:
>
>
> I like you, xister.
>
> come dance with us in our saucerrealist churches.
Too late! (I've already seen the light)*
*read the fab post where I speak in tounges....
solar bear
<pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> solar bear wrote:
> >
> > English nudists...Wahahahaaaa.... now THAT'S surreal!
> >
>
> Nudist colonies have been a staple of English humour for most of
> the century. "All very chilly and a trifle damp" as the great
> George Formby put it.
>
Oh I know! Still, it beats the stuffing out of weekend at Brighton.
solar bear
<pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> Rain King wrote:
> >
> > Previously, Peter Hipwell <pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> > :"The Two Ronnies" are still KING.
> >
> > Please explain "Mister Blobbie".
> >
>
> Mister Blobbie was one of the reoccurring villains in the much
> beloved TV SF series, "Dr. Who", a show about a semi-senile old
> man who cavorted about the universe in a 1950s era London Police
> Box with nubile young female "assistants".
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
YES!!!
Popess Lilith von Fraumench
<o1sT1.1$n%2....@news.eli.net>, Fre...@ethergate.com bellowed forth across the
wasteland:
>
>According to Grantland you aren't thought of much at alt.slack either. How
>do you know they aren't laughing at you?
You obviously have yet to read Grantland's poetry.
terry...@rocketmail.com
361E1B99...@MagneticFields.org>,
barrett john erickson <
bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
> >
> > In article <361CF77D...@MagneticFields.org>,
> > barrett john erickson <bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Stuff it up your Arse!!!
> >
>
> you go to school with terry gibson? on the same debate team perhaps?
These comments are directed at the appropriate
individuals and not at alt.surrealism as a whole:
Well I think you have pretty much hit bottom with
this attempt. The whole thread leaves me feeling
kind of cheated,in a way. I thought to myself when
this started, hmmm alt.surrealism....... could be
interesting. It's not and it wasn't.
Nobody, even in a halfassed jocular mode, even
attempted to respond to the points that I did make.
Mostly, because I think you guys are cheesy
poseurs who don't give a shit about surrealism. You
are really only concerned with the image that
claiming to be a "surrealist" gets you. Kind of like a
high school student running around making a point
of telling everyone that his/her favorite artist is
Salvador Dali. All for effect. Hey everybody, look at
me I'm an eccentric artist type.
Rules of Surrealism. You people are fucked in the
head, and pretentious to the point of nausea.
I might continue to contribute to this thread to
participate in the "religious" debate (on alt.slack
only). You boys are down and SPANKED.
I think p-lil summed it up best when she said "
alt.slack is alt.surrealism". If our recent "visitors"
are any indication, she just might be correct.
solar bear
> e/wb...@hibernia.ca (solar bear) wrote:
>
> >In article <361D174C...@MagneticFields.org>, barrett john erickson
> ><bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
>
> >> "Rev.CEO CJ Venture" wrote:
> >I like my coffee piping hot, TYVM. Anyone stupid enough to put a cup of
> >hot coffee between their legs deserves everything they get. That's how it
> >plays out in Canada... people here are expected to take responsibility for
> >their own actions. IMO, Mcdonalds got a bum rap, and i think most canadians
> >would agree with that view.
>
> Goddammit, I said I wouldn't argue this case again, but Bear, learn
> the fucking facts before you call someone stupid. The woman wasn't
> driving the car,
who said anything about driving?
she was seated in the passenger seat, trying to put
> cream and sugar in the coffee. Her grandson was driving. She was
> wearing a pair of sweatpants and was stabilizing the coffee while she
> doctored it. When it spilled on her, it gave her third degree burns
> which required three skin graft operations to repair.
Which is an unfortunate but entirely predictable outcome in a moving vehicle.
She didn't sue
> them at first, she simply wanted the hospital costs covered. But
> McDonald's didn't want to pay that, so they ended up being sued.
Paying hospital costs amounts to an admission of guilt. As a lawyer I
would have recommended exactly the same course of action, otherwise you
open the door to future litigation.
> During the trial it was discovered that there were approx. 10
> incidences a year like this which resulted in serious injury BECAUSE
> of McDonald's policy of holding coffee at a much higher than
> reccommended temperature. They were held responsiblfe for their own
> actions.
Fair enough, but it doesn't diminish the responsibility of the customer to
treat hot coffee with appropriate caution. Cavalier treatment of any hot
beverage may result in injury. If I were ruling on this case I would have
limited damages to the costs, plus an amount of "pain and suffering/quality
of life" commensurate with the plaintiff's reasonable expectation of such,
given her age.
Whatever the merits of this particular case, it is undeniable that the cost
of insuring against lawsuits of this nature, given the propensity of US
juries to award high punitive damages, creates a climate in which only the
largest corporations can afford to operate.
Product liability and "negligence" suits are one of the fastest growing
industries in the USA. The cost of this punishment gets passed on to the
consumer in the form of higher prices and fewer choices, and to working
Americans in the form of lower wages and lost employment.
In America, if the plaintiff is a corporation the sky's the limit...BUT:
You OWN these companies, people. Through direct investment, pension funds,
mutual funds, insurance policies and government debt. The price you pay,
you pay yourselves. Only the lawyers get rich.
I rest my case.<g>
Incidently, because I defend a certain viewpoint on Usenet doesn't
necessarily mean it's a personal belief. It's often very informative to
take the other side of an argument to see what it feels like to defend your
opponent. It's also a fun way to troll.
Here's a scenerio for anyone patient/bored/masochistic enough to have read
this far. (You want more words? happy to oblige!) You are at your favorite
pub, sipping a beer. A customer enters who has been going the rounds and
is already considerably in her cups. As she walks towards the bar (in high
heels) she fails to notice the step up, trips and falls against a cigarette
machine, in the process sustaining facial injuries that render her
incapable of employment in her field (fashion model).
Who's responsible?
The pub for failing to detect her inebriation at the door? The pub for
failing to clearly mark the step up, or the architect for making that
design choice? How about the government that approved the design and
inspected the building? The cigarette vendor for locating their machine in
a hazardous location, or again, the pub for allowing them to do so? Did I
forget anyone?
Or was she soley responsible for her actions, an unfortunate victim of her
own stupidity?
Would YOU award damages, and if so what amount would they be?
solar bear
> TarlaStar wrote:
> >
> > e/wb...@hibernia.ca (solar bear) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <361D174C...@MagneticFields.org>, barrett john erickson
> > ><bar...@MagneticFields.org> wrote:
> >
> > >> "Rev.CEO CJ Venture" wrote:
> > >I like my coffee piping hot, TYVM. Anyone stupid enough to put a cup of
> > >hot coffee between their legs deserves everything they get. That's how it
> > >plays out in Canada... people here are expected to take responsibility for
> > >their own actions. IMO, Mcdonalds got a bum rap, and i think most canadians
> > >would agree with that view.
> >
> > Goddammit, I said I wouldn't argue this case again, but Bear, learn
> > the fucking facts before you call someone stupid. The woman wasn't
> > driving the car, she was seated in the passenger seat, trying to put
> > cream and sugar in the coffee. Her grandson was driving. She was
> > wearing a pair of sweatpants and was stabilizing the coffee while she
> > doctored it. When it spilled on her, it gave her third degree burns
> > which required three skin graft operations to repair. She didn't sue
> > them at first, she simply wanted the hospital costs covered. But
> > McDonald's didn't want to pay that, so they ended up being sued.
> > During the trial it was discovered that there were approx. 10
> > incidences a year like this which resulted in serious injury BECAUSE
> > of McDonald's policy of holding coffee at a much higher than
> > reccommended temperature.
>
> No Tarla, the serious injuries are the result of 10 people having an accident
> while holding their coffee. Imagine the number of Mcdonald's there are, how
> much coffee they sell a year, and then compare with the number of accidents,
> it's surprisingly low. I'm sure there are as much accidents with slippy wet
> floors or whatever. She took the coffee in the car, she "mishandled" it, she
> should be held responsible. She can't blame anybody for giving her hot coffee.
> And holding a styrofoam glass between her legs, that's plain dumb. But she
> lives in a system where she can sue anybody for anything. She can't be
> accountable for any action she takes. If she slips, she'll sue the city or the
> sidewalk cement producer, small kids get sued for sexual harrassment, A guy
> sued the guy his wife was cheating on him with for "love trauma" or something
> (60 minutes last sunday). From here, it looks really weird that judicial
> system you got.
>
> > They were held responsible for their own
> > actions.
>
> No they sold the coffee, she mishandled the coffee, it's her fault because
> like Bear said, coffee's supposed to be hot (or it ain't coffee) and should be
> handled accordingly.
>
The unfortunate elderly victim was responsible to the degree that her
faculties allowed, but it's really the grandson's fault for moving the car
while she farted around with a hot drink. Children have an obligation to
protect their dottering kin from injury. I bet he was laying a patch to
impress the girl at the window.
barrett john erickson
> > your youthful volatility is admirable, but your conceptual skills still
> > need a lot of work. and your perceptions couldn't be more faulty if all
> > you had to work with was a 5 watt bulb incapable of casting shadows.
>
> "Youthful volatility?", BWAHAHAHA. Yer talking
> about a luxury I can't afford dickhead.
>
> But hey bitch! I told you ,listen for the zipper.
> Now don't bug me I'm fucking busy having a life,
> online and OFF.
[[ insert: the sound of one hand clapping somewhere just to the left of
uranus ]]
-- barrett
bar...@MagneticFields.org
http://www.MagneticFields.org/
"Everything tends to make us believe that there exists a certain point of
the mind at which life and death, the real and the imagined, past and
future, the communicable and the incommunicable, high and low, cease to be