How Tough IS Motel Management?
just john
Instead of cabins, we'd have retired tour buses. Y'know, like when
Willie Nelson's bus gets a fatal transmission problem, we buy the bus
and rent out its parked self by the night.
I imagine a widely-spaced row of buses with themes ranging from hip-hop
thru gospel thru stadium rock, all looking like they're parked there.
I imagine it might prove economical to heat-a/c them from a common
source. We could remove the engines and sell them for parts.
And what's driving me to distraction about this notion is that it almost
sounds feasible. Located properly, you could probably keep the
occupancy rate pretty steady. It'd be kitschy, but in a useful way.
So lead me from temptation. Tell me exactly HOW horribly wrong this
could go.
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Pisces
Occupancy code.
Don Stockbauer
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just john
> Occupancy code.
In what way? Y'mean beyond fire regs that might dictate some modifications?
Or do you mean square feet per paid occupant?
Pisces
To say the least,the fire code on this is a bit of a clusterfuck plus
handicapped laws would be difficult, depending on state and locality..
Paul Jamison
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Occupancy code.
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More to the point, not enough ready cash to bribe local government
inspectors.
just john
> On Nov 23, 12:36 am, just john <teuy13...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>> Pisces wrote:
>>> On Nov 23, 12:27 am, just john <teuy13...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>>> So lead me from temptation. Tell me exactly HOW horribly wrong this
>>>> could go.
>>> Occupancy code.
>> In what way? Y'mean beyond fire regs that might dictate some modifications?
>>
>> Or do you mean square feet per paid occupant?
>>
> To say the least,the fire code on this is a bit of a clusterfuck plus
> handicapped laws would be difficult, depending on state and locality..
... and, as luck would have it, the re-classification of C Street makes
it seem like the Gov't is getting around to busting housing posing as a
church.
D'you think that a waiver could be had for the handicapped thing, if at
least a couple normal, totally compliant, rooms were also rentable?
Now to go look up what sort of laws to expect, where.
just john
>
> More to the point, not enough ready cash to bribe local government
> inspectors.
>
>
Hell, this would be a total impossibility for anybody not already on
good terms with the local power structure.
And what's a bribe? Allowing the sheriff and chosen guests to inspect
overnight the quality of the very bed (insert star here) bedded HIS
ladies in?
I call it civic responsibility and adjusting to a town government's busy
schedule.
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Thunder crashed, just john laughed madly, then wrote:
>How Tough IS Motel Management?
It couldn't be any worse than brain surgery.
Which is much easier than people make it out to be, if you have a
"get'er done!" attitude about it.
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Bryce Utting
> I've told you about my notion for a variation on a cabin-style motel.
>
> Instead of cabins, we'd have retired tour buses. Y'know, like when
> Willie Nelson's bus gets a fatal transmission problem, we buy the bus
> and rent out its parked self by the night.
> So lead me from temptation. Tell me exactly HOW horribly wrong this
> could go.
you're forgetting the effort it'll take to clean up after the sorts of
customer you can expect.
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David DeLaney
>I've told you about my notion for a variation on a cabin-style motel.
>
>Instead of cabins, we'd have retired tour buses. Y'know, like when
>Willie Nelson's bus gets a fatal transmission problem, we buy the bus
>and rent out its parked self by the night.
>
>I imagine a widely-spaced row of buses with themes ranging from hip-hop
>thru gospel thru stadium rock, all looking like they're parked there.
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just john
> just john <teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>> I've told you about my notion for a variation on a cabin-style motel.
>>
>> Instead of cabins, we'd have retired tour buses. Y'know, like when
>> Willie Nelson's bus gets a fatal transmission problem, we buy the bus
>> and rent out its parked self by the night.
> ...
>> So lead me from temptation. Tell me exactly HOW horribly wrong this
>> could go.
>
> you're forgetting the effort it'll take to clean up after the sorts of
> customer you can expect.
>
>
Well, the buses themselves are designed with that in mind, no?
just john
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:27:01 -0500, just john <teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>> I've told you about my notion for a variation on a cabin-style motel.
>>
>> Instead of cabins, we'd have retired tour buses. Y'know, like when
>> Willie Nelson's bus gets a fatal transmission problem, we buy the bus
>> and rent out its parked self by the night.
>>
>> I imagine a widely-spaced row of buses with themes ranging from hip-hop
>> thru gospel thru stadium rock, all looking like they're parked there.
>
> FURTHUR
>
> Dave "disambiguable" DeLaney
Ah, the classic "hippie" bus.
For those who miss the amenities of sleeping in the woods, but find
themselves with too much cash on their hands?
Rev. 11D Meow!
<teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>David DeLaney wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:27:01 -0500, just john <teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>>> I've told you about my notion for a variation on a cabin-style motel.
>>>
>>> Instead of cabins, we'd have retired tour buses. Y'know, like when
>>> Willie Nelson's bus gets a fatal transmission problem, we buy the bus
>>> and rent out its parked self by the night.
>>>
>>> I imagine a widely-spaced row of buses with themes ranging from hip-hop
>>> thru gospel thru stadium rock, all looking like they're parked there.
>>
>> FURTHUR
>>
>> Dave "disambiguable" DeLaney
>
>Ah, the classic "hippie" bus.
>
>For those who miss the amenities of sleeping in the woods, but find
>themselves with too much cash on their hands?
yeah, right, right up until the bus ends up out of gas on a gravel
path many miles from nowhere while everyone on-board is trippin' balls
wondering how God will provide, just as a gasoline tanker truck pulls
up behind in order to fulfill God's Mission.
whatever, slush for brains...
Otto Bahn
> >> So lead me from temptation. Tell me exactly HOW horribly wrong this
> >> could go.
>
> > Occupancy code.
>
> In what way? Y'mean beyond fire regs that might dictate some
> modifications?
>
> Or do you mean square feet per paid occupant?
<
<To say the least,the fire code on this is a bit of a clusterfuck plus
<handicapped laws would be difficult, depending on state and locality..
Wonders of the modern legal system...You can buy a camper and
live in it. You can rent a camper to someone else, and they
can live in it. Remove the engine from a bunch of them and
call it a motel...YOU CRIMINAL!
Things that are inherently not-for-the-handicapped should be
exempted, like cabins you have to hike to.
I am oh-so not going out on this limb though:
http://www.grandcanyonwest.com/skywalk.html
With my luck the Really Fat family from Alabama....
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bar...@bookpro.com
<teuy...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>I've told you about my notion for a variation on a cabin-style motel.
>
>Instead of cabins, we'd have retired tour buses. Y'know, like when
>Willie Nelson's bus gets a fatal transmission problem, we buy the bus
>and rent out its parked self by the night.
>
>I imagine a widely-spaced row of buses with themes ranging from hip-hop
>thru gospel thru stadium rock, all looking like they're parked there.
Or you could stack them up, along these lines:
http://brainlessworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/redneck-mansion1.jpg
BW
RastaBillyBob
I'm usually happy to oblige great idea-people with a list of reasons
why it can't work, but in this case, I think you may be onto
something. Recognize, that you're basically creating a trailer park,
but there are worse things than that; it all depends on how it's done.
The picture someone submitted of a redneck mansion, shows that it can
be rather appealing.
How far north/south are you? That would make a difference. The
centralized heating and cooling is a good idea. If you're off away
from other housing, an outdoor wood burner could heat them all
efficiently - just burn good dry wood, rather than the slow smolder
most of those burners use, so it's more heat than smoke. The same
water pipes can be used for cooling in the summer.
This would also be an ideal situation to save money in the long run,
by installing solar and/or wind generated electricity, or solar water
heating.
Rev. Richard Skull
If you have a dual degree in Hotel-Motel Management & Small engine
repair, you and Sally Struthers could just make all run again. It
would be the "Mystery Motel". You go to sleep in the Bus and wake up
after being drive to a completey differnent town!
Just think of the fun! Waking up in a tour bus and ot knowing where
the fuck you are! Its would be the total Music Star experiance!
Rev. Richard Skull
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IF they can make Motels out of Old Cabooses and Boxcars, I see no
reason you cannot use tour buses.
Rev. Logan 714
Well, have you ever been inside a tour bus? Very few are the palatial
mansions on wheels for the talent. Most have a master bed room, then a
set of bunks in front of the master bedroom, and bathroom squeezed
somewhere in there, and then a dry or wet bar/kitchen, maybe with a
microwave, and then some type of parlor. Most are not owned by the
talent. They're are rented or leased. Shit a new one costs damn near
a million dollars these days. Blow a transmission, they'll put
another five in that mother fucker before they think about it. Also,
when involved with a record label the second bill, or B groups get the
left overs. Yeah, there's some really old ones on ebay off and on from
JoeyBob Buttfuck but big name buses, they donate them to their country
western museum or some shit like that. ONe of the points is, they're
so fucking expensive they keep them on the road until they are worn
the fuck out. Then they gut em and turn them into refurbished and
lease them out cheaper.
Diesel coaches are my hobby and I kind of keep an eye on them. What's
selling, what's available, etc. and lately I've seen a few talent
owned, Old, late 60's early 70s buses but you've never heard of
JoeyBob Buttfuck and what woudl be the point of saying you can spend
the night in MR. Buttfuck's bus. And that's just for starters.
Logan
just john
>
> IF they can make Motels out of Old Cabooses and Boxcars, I see no
> reason you cannot use tour buses.
Yeah!
I'd been thinking about those and that housing made from shipping
containers, too.
(Half expected somebody to pipe up and say my notion's been done already.)
just john
Yeah, given a good enough swath of land, that'd be simple and maybe even
Gov't-grant-fodder.
Where I am now isn't all that an ideal place to set up this sort of
shop. I'm in Hyde Park, NY, and all the local places fit in with icons
of this grinning guy with a smoking device clenched in his teeth.
just john
> Well, have you ever been inside a tour bus? Very few are the palatial
> mansions on wheels for the talent. Most have a master bed room, then a
> set of bunks in front of the master bedroom, and bathroom squeezed
> somewhere in there, and then a dry or wet bar/kitchen, maybe with a
> microwave, and then some type of parlor.
Yeah, my notion was they'd be pitched toward couples and couples with
kids. Sort of an enhanced double, rented out at rates to compete with
family suites in middling motels.
> Most are not owned by the
> talent. They're are rented or leased. Shit a new one costs damn near
> a million dollars these days. Blow a transmission, they'll put
> another five in that mother fucker before they think about it. Also,
> when involved with a record label the second bill, or B groups get the
> left overs. Yeah, there's some really old ones on ebay off and on from
> JoeyBob Buttfuck but big name buses, they donate them to their country
> western museum or some shit like that. ONe of the points is, they're
> so fucking expensive they keep them on the road until they are worn
> the fuck out. Then they gut em and turn them into refurbished and
> lease them out cheaper.
>
> Diesel coaches are my hobby and I kind of keep an eye on them. What's
> selling, what's available, etc. and lately I've seen a few talent
> owned, Old, late 60's early 70s buses but you've never heard of
> JoeyBob Buttfuck and what woudl be the point of saying you can spend
> the night in MR. Buttfuck's bus. And that's just for starters.
>
Thanks! I suspected somebody might have a handle on the basic economics
of this.
Do bands, especially the Buttfucks, pay attention to who'd had the bus
before them?
Rev. Logan 714
Well, in answer to your first question, A list talent (talent is the
individual or band) is probably going to have a brand new one from the
leasing company everytime they go out on tour. You might be able to
talk to the secretary at the coach leasing co. and she might know
something. But then again, sometimes labels just lease them and who
knows where they're going to be at any particular time.
You can try googling up entertainer coaches and it may give you an
idea. Most of them just give you the year of the coach and the make.
Very few individuals own their own touring bus. Neil young does, but
you ain't touching his. WEll, you probably could, but you're pockets
would have to be very, very, very fucking deep. Usually C list bands
own their own when their starting out because they're doing all of
their own production, promotion, transportation, etc. but as an
example, finding the bus that the Grateful Dead used on their 77 tour
of the west would probably be a mother fucker. I think they owned it
at that point. I know their generic party bus that they owned at that
time has recently been for sale for a rediculious figure and it didn't
move, plus it was a crown it was an ex-school bus, not a coach. Eddie
Munster owned it or something and it was in some museum in Ohio.
Nobody would buy it. Just a piece of shit old bus.
So, finding a pedigree on a particular coach for who it carried for
the most part would be really hard.
And if you did succeed what are you going to get? A shell? All the
mechanical systems will be worn out. the Heaters are propane. The AC
might have strip heaters in them, but they'll be old worn out AC
units. Most of them do not have showers, they just have a shitter.
Entertainment coaches are mostly used now for point A to B
transportation and maybe to roll a joint in at intermission. The
talent doesn't have to wait for the crew to break down teh equipment
they're on their way so they can get to the Hotel in the next city to
get some more sleep.
Logan
Glenn Knickerbocker
>Where I am now isn't all that an ideal place to set up this sort of
>shop. I'm in Hyde Park, NY, and all the local places fit in with icons
>of this grinning guy with a smoking device clenched in his teeth.
YesBUT! That's only along the river. A couple miles east, out the other
side of Val-Kill toward Quaker Lane, are three of the biggest junkyards
around. Put it on the aptly named (Not The People's) Crum Elbow Road.
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just john
> Entertainment coaches are mostly used now for point A to B
> transportation and maybe to roll a joint in at intermission. The
> talent doesn't have to wait for the crew to break down teh equipment
> they're on their way so they can get to the Hotel in the next city to
> get some more sleep.
>
Probably the best counter-argument to trying this is that there hasn't
been any chorus of "Yes! I wanna stay in one!" in reply to my
mentioning it. If there WERE a ton of people enthusiastic about it, it
might be worth it to fake a bunch of entertainment coaches, but that
doesn't seem to be the case.
Dr. HotSalt
Well, yeah, but we're slackers and kibologists. Not exactly your
typical high-end motel market cross-section.
Dr. HotSalt