Re: Tiemline 191

[Rick]

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> I have been reading of an alternate history timeline,

Your entire existence is an alternative timeline.

- Rick

[Terry Hall]

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> I have been reading of an alternate history timeline, Timeline 191,
> radically different than our own, where
> the South wins the Civil War, and fights the USA in WWI and WWII,
> before being thoroughly defeated,
> among other things. The Southern Victory series, or the summary of
> them in various Wikis, and message
> boards, is quite engrossing.
> But the question must be asked, how would skatiing be different,
> if Timeline 191 were reality? Given where
> I have heard that future novels in the series might go, if the
> timeline were reality, the USA would have more
> Olympic and world champs in skating, than they do now.
> When Canada a part of the USA, the USA would have four more mens
> world champs (Jackson, McPherson,
> Orsur, Browning), one ice dance champ (Bourne/Kraatz), two world
> champion pairs couples (Dafoe/Bowden,
> Sale/Pelletier). While the Jelenecks won for Canada in our lifetime,
> it is likely that without the communist
> tide in Europe, they would stayed in what would have been part of the
> Autro-Hungarian empire (Czechoslokia
> was part of that empire), and would probably have become that
> country's ONLY figure skating champions in
> ANY event. In our timeline, Neither Austria, nor Hungary has NEVER won
> ANY medals in skating at either Europeans, Worlds, Olympics, or Grand
> Prix Events). And if Timeline 191 were reality, it would probably
> STILL be that way. As far as the ladies go, a Canada being part of the
> USA in the alternate timeline would likely not add any
> more medallists in ladies, other than Liz Manley's 1988 silver medal,
> becuase Canadian womens skating is, was,
> and always will be a JOKE. Eliminating the communist "sports machine"
> The USA ladies Olympic gold medal tally would have looked like this in
> the alternate timline:
>
> 1960 Carol Heiss
> 1968 Peggy Fleming
> 1976 Dorothy Hamill
> 1988 Liz Manley (Catarina would probably have nver became a champ in
> the AH timeline)
> 1992 Cristi Yamaguchi
> 1994 Nancy Kerrigan (Oksana would probably not even exist as a skater
> in the AH timeline)
> 1998 Tara Lapinski
>
> and the mens gold medals would have been
>
> 1948 Dick Button
> 1952 Dick Button
> 1984 Scott Hamilton
> 1988 Brian Boitano
>
>
> ..among other medal winners that would occur in alternate universe,
> Linda Fratianne would have won the gold for Australia in 1980, and
> Rosalynn Sumners win for Britain in 1984, as Potezsch and Witt would
> probably have never become medal contenders. Neither West Germany, nor
> a united Germany, has EVER won ANY medals in figure skating, in ANY
> discipline. The USA would have 7 ladies champs right now. Liz Manley,
> as part of a Canada annexed by the USA, would have captured the gold
> in 1988, in my opinion.
>
>
> Because there is no Japanese internment camps in the alternate
> timeline(even though Japan is still an enemy in the alternate WWII),
> rich Japanese-Americans do not flee to Mexico like they did in our
> timeline. That would add at least one more gold medallist to the USA
> tally. You would have Cristi Yamaguchi winning the gold medal for the
> USA, insteafd of for Mexico (as was in our timeline), as the Yamaughis
> wold have remained in the USA, she would also be, in the alternate
> timeline, the ONLY skater BORN in California to win world or Olympic
> gold. In our timeline, NO California-born skater has EVER won ANY
> North American, US, World, Olympic, Four Continents, or Grand Prix
> title.
> In the alternare timeline, it is implied that the CSA is
> forcibly annexed back into the Union after the alternate WWII (and
> this includes Cuba, which becomes a CSA state in 1870). While Cuba HAS
> had figure skating medallists in our timelne, I dont see anything
> being added ot the USA tally, in the alternaate timeline. Most of the
> Germans and Chinese in Cuba fled WWI and WWII, and Batista, being a
> staunch anti-Communist, allowed a lot of them in from East Germany,
> prior to Castro's takeover. In an alternate timeline, I figure that
> some families do not emigrate to Cuba, so you do not see Catarina Witt
> or Beatriz Suba wining any medals for the USA, though I see Debi
> Tonas winning the 1986 world title for the USA in the alternate
> timeline (Tomas was born in Cayo Largo in 1968). The USA also gains
> one other Olympic medal in this scenario when Barbara Rolez wins the
> 1960 Olympic bronze for the USA (Rolez was born in Havana, in 1943).
> Becuase some emigration never happens, you also do not see
> Michelle Kwan, Tiffani Chin, Sasha Cohen, or many others competing for
> the USA, or Cuba. Cohen came from a Cuban-Jewish family, though I do
> not know where her ancestors originally came from in Europe. In the
> alternate timeline, I do see her competing for a European country
> (possibly Ukraine or the German Empire?). The famlies of Michelle Kwan
> and Tiffani Chin would likely have never emigrateted to Cuba, and the
> USA in the alternate timeline. Michelle would likely have become one
> of two world champions for the Chinese Empire, along with Lucia Chen
> (who I think would have competed for China in the alternatae
> timeline). They would likely be the only world or Olympic medallists
> to have EVER won ANY figure skating medals for China, as China, in OUR
> timeline, has NEVER won ANY world or Olympic skating medals in ANY
> discipline.
> Among Carribbean territories I see ceded to the USA in future
> novels (Britain is an enemy of the USA in the
> alternate WWII, and Hitler never comes to power in Germany), the USA
> would pick up a few more more Olympic medals and quite a lot of
> promising talent of today. Scott Smith (from Bermuda), and Ryan
> Bradley (from Jamaica), would be American contenders in the alternate
> timeline. Scott Hamilton would have won the 1984 gold for the USA,
> instead of for Bermuda, and the USA would now have three mens Olympic
> champs (Button, Hamilton,. Boitano), and four world champs (Button,
> Hamilton, Boitano, Eldridge). The USA would have also picked up a
> bronze medal in the mens division in the 2002 Olympics, with Tim Gable
> (born in the Virgin Islands).
> The Bahamas have had some skaters, but no more than a few
> medallists in Easterns, Elizah Allen being the most notable of
> Bahamiam skaters, but it would have have added to the world medal
> tally for the USA in any way.

But you haven't answered the most important question - what happens to Tonya
under this scenario?

And will she be driving a Tucker instead of a Ford F-series pickup truck?

Terry Hall
Head of Special Duties Section
Portland Ice Skating Society - New Zealand's Tonya Harding fan club
http://www.geocities.com/portice

[Chilly8]

With the latest installment of one fan fiction series, based
on the Turtledove's TL 191 series, covering the 1990s,
there is no split 2-year split off of the Summer and
Winter Olympics.

In a 1996 Olympics, I figure that Michelle Kwan would
have won 1996, as that is when she peaked. I figure
if the Olympics had been in 1996 instead of 1994, the
podium would have looked like this:

Gold - Michelle Kwan
Silver - Lucia Chen
Bronze - Josee Chouinard

And since Cuba and Canada are part of the USA in this tl,
this also means the first ever US sweep of the figure
skating podium. As Lucia and Josee would both be
competing for the USA in this TL.

I think the 2000 Podium would have been

Gold - Irina Slutskaya
Silver - Maria Butyrskaya
Bronze - Surya Bonalee

2004 Podium

Gold - Sasha Cohen
Silver - Elena Sololova
Bronze - Shizuka Arakawa

2008 Podum

Gold - Yu Na Kim
Silver - Miki Ando
Bronze - Mirai Nagasu

2012 Podium

Gold - Carolina Kostner
Silver - Ashley Wagner
Bronze - Kesenia Makarova

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <50e6ba8e$0$59766$c3e8da3$66d3...@news.astraweb.com>,

"Chilly8" <Chi...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> With the latest installment of one fan fiction series, based
> on the Turtledove's TL 191 series,

And Chuckie libels the King of Alternate History by highjacking his
works for his stupid fantasies.

--
JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Chilly8]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <50e6ba8e$0$59766$c3e8da3$66d3...@news.astraweb.com>,
> "Chilly8" <Chi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> With the latest installment of one fan fiction series, based
>> on the Turtledove's TL 191 series,
>
> And Chuckie libels the King of Alternate History by highjacking his
> works for his stupid fantasies.

I am going on the loads of fan fiction that have already
been written, and not Turtledove's original books
themselves.

That being said, there have been numerous fan fiction
timelines written to continue the timeline.

There was even one a couple of years ago, where
computers and computing have a radically different
timeline. The dotcom bust, as it is now known, in the
early 2000s OTL, takes place in the early 1990s.

Also, Windows and Mac operating systems end
up being radically different than they are in the
real world. Windows and Mac both end up being
Unix-based operating systems.

If that had happened, I think both Windows and
Mac would be the realm of geeks, since you have
to be a computer geek to use Unix. The Email
in Unix can be very cryptic and command line
based, and also Usenet would be the realm of
geeks had this occurred, as we would all be
using rn and trn to read news. Programs like
Thunderbird, Outlook Express or Mt
News watcher would probably not exist
in TL-191.

I know that when Macs were based on the
68000 chip, some people got SunOS Unix
to run on them. When I was at CSUS in the
1990s, one of the computer labs at CSUS
did have a few Macs running SunOS. But
that is the ONLY Unix variant that EVER
ran on a Mac, as far as I know. Sun did
have a software program at one time that
would let you run Mac software on any
68000-based Unix system

And also, Windows 8 comes into being long
before it did, with Windows XP coming into
existence around 1998 and Windows Vista
around 2003. At this point in time, Mac OS
X is suprseded by OS XI and OS XII, which
are all Unix-based operating systems.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <50eded3c$0$24573$c3e8da3$853b...@news.astraweb.com>,

Oh, really.

Then how do millions of people run Mac OSX, which is UNIX?

[Scotty Skymaster]

There is so much fan fiction timelines based on TL-191
that I have even started working on one, but combining
it with a few other popular timelines to create an interesting
timeline.

I have something similar to thie whack heard round the
world, but in my timeline that plot is discovered and
stopped before it even happens.

In my version, it is a much bigger plot, perpetrated
by "neo-Confederates", and turns out to be a much
bigger plot than OTL.

However, with a new group up countries known
as the "Beijing Pact", and practicing a form of
govrernment known as Unitism, I have Tonya
fleeing to one of the Unity countries, and working
there as a coach for the rest of her life, where she
can never be extradited back to the United States.
Scotland becomes independent, and joins the
Beijing Pact, I have her working our of the
"Unified Republic Of Scotland", as a coach.

With no 2-year split off of the Winter and Summer
Olympics, these are the ladies medallists for the
1996 Games. Because all of Canada is annexed to the
USA at that point in my althist, some OTL Canadian
skaters skate for the USA, as well as some OTL
Cuban skaters.


With a much longer version of the Red Dawn
in my timeline, that are no 1984 or 1988 Olympics,
so America' at this point in time, has two mens
Olympic champs, Dick Button (1948 and 1952)
and Evan Lysacek (2012). No 1984 or 88
Olys means no Hamilton or Boitano, so America
has two mens Olympic champs at this point.
In my timeline, Babilonia and Garder become
America's FIRST EVER medallists in Pairs,
when they win their 1979 world title. There
would have been NO American couple to
have won ANY medals in pairs, at Worlds
or Olympics, up to that point in time, so
B&G would be America's first ever pairs
medallists at either Worlds or Olympics.

In my alternate timeline, the US ladies
Olympic champions are:

1948 Barbara Ann Scott

1960 Carol Heiss
1968 Peggy Fleming

1972 Beatriz Schuba
1992 Cristi Yamaguchi
1996 Michelle Kwan
2000 LuLu Chen
2004 Sasha Cohen
2012 Joannie Rochette

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <517c6abc$0$15289$c3e8da3$9f40...@news.astraweb.com>,

a

[Scotty Skymaster]

>> 1996 Michelle Kwan



I do think that Michelle would have won 1996 Olys
in my timeline, with LuLu finishing second
and Josee Chouinard finishing 3rd. Surya Bonaly
finishes fourth and Oksana finishes 5th at the
1996 Olympics of my timeline

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <517c86b7$0$5826$c3e8da3$5077...@news.astraweb.com>,

Who the fuck cares what happens in your fantasy world?

[Scotty Skymaster]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

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> In article <517c86b7$0$5826$c3e8da3$5077...@news.astraweb.com>,
> "Scotty Skymaster" <skym...@alphacrucisradio.org> wrote:
>
>> >> 1996 Michelle Kwan
>>
>>
>>
>> I do think that Michelle would have won 1996 Olys
>> in my timeline, with LuLu finishing second
>> and Josee Chouinard finishing 3rd. Surya Bonaly
>> finishes fourth and Oksana finishes 5th at the
>> 1996 Olympics of my timeline
>
> Who the fuck cares what happens in your fantasy world?

I do think that is how the result of the 1996 Olympics
would have been,

Here are the results for the 2004 Olympics
of my timeline:

Gold Sasha Cohen United States
Silver Irina Slutskaya Russia
Bronze Viktoria Volchkova Ossetia

Viktoria would be skating for Ossetia in my
timeline because she was born in Rostov-on-
Don, Russia, which would be in an
indepedent Ossetia in my timeline.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <517cb37d$0$12223$c3e8da3$6901...@news.astraweb.com>,

"Scotty Skymaster" <skym...@alphacrucisradio.org> wrote:

> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hlwdjsd2-8CB0A9...@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <517c86b7$0$5826$c3e8da3$5077...@news.astraweb.com>,
> > "Scotty Skymaster" <skym...@alphacrucisradio.org> wrote:
> >
> >> >> 1996 Michelle Kwan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I do think that Michelle would have won 1996 Olys
> >> in my timeline, with LuLu finishing second
> >> and Josee Chouinard finishing 3rd. Surya Bonaly
> >> finishes fourth and Oksana finishes 5th at the
> >> 1996 Olympics of my timeline
> >
> > Who the fuck cares what happens in your fantasy world?
>
>
> I do think that is how the result of the 1996 Olympics
> would have been,

Nobody cares.

Why didn't you answer my question?

[Anything You Say Chuckie]

Jeanne Douglas wrote:

> Chuckie Groundcrawler wrote:
>
>> >> 1996 Michelle Kwan
>>
>>
>>
>> I do think that Michelle would have won 1996 Olys
>> in my timeline, with LuLu finishing second
>> and Josee Chouinard finishing 3rd. Surya Bonaly
>> finishes fourth and Oksana finishes 5th at the
>> 1996 Olympics of my timeline
>
>Who the fuck cares what happens in your fantasy world?

Didn't you get the memo? They're going to rmgroup alt.skate.figure
and create a replacement called alt.history.sports.

[Bronco Titanium]

>
> With the latest installment of one fan fiction series, based
> on the Turtledove's TL 191 series, covering the 1990s,
> there is no split 2-year split off of the Summer and
> Winter Olympics.

There is yet another Tl 191 althist, where there is
a second POD, where, instead of becoming enemies,
the US and CS eventually become close allies, and
the CS eventually becomes a union of 21 states.

In this timeline, the CS would have had gone
1-2 in ice dancing at the 2006 Olympics.

This would have been the 2006 ice dance
podium

Gold Navka/Kostoorov Confederate States
Silver Bebin/Agosto Confederate States
Bronze Grushina/Goncharov Ukraine


Navka and Kostomorov were born in Chihuahua, which
would been in the CS, and Belbin/Agosto would have also
been CS-born (both from Confederate Cuba).


The CS would have had the ladies gold medal in 1972
and 1976. Beatriz Schuba (born in Cuba) would have
won the gold medal for the CS in 1972 and Dorothy
Hamill (born in Georgia) would have won the gold
medal for the CS in 1976.

Baja California becomes a CS states, instead of a
US state, a notable differerence from TL-191,
and at least three Confederate ladies champions
(Flatt,Gold,Czisny) would have come the Confederate
state of Baja California



And I do believe this would have been the ladies podium in
Vancouver, if this althist were real


Gold Sasha Cohen Confederate States Of America
Silver Yu-Na Kim South Korea
Bronze Joannie Rochette Canada


Here are my 1992-1998 Ladies podiums of this Tl


1992


Gold LuLu Chen Confederate States Of America
Silver Cristi Yamaguchi Empire Of Mexico
Bronze Tonya Harding Australia

1994


Gold LuLu Chen Confederate States Of America
Silver Tonya Harding Australia
Bronze Nancy Kerrigan United States Of America


1998

Gold LuLu Chen Confederate States Of America
Silver Tara Lapinski United States Of America
Bronze Michelle Kwan Confederate States Of America




Here is my list of Confederate Ladies National Champions from 1995 on

1995 Michelle Kwan
1996 Michelle Kwan
1997 Michelle Kwan
1998 Michelle Kwan
1999 Michelle Kwan
2000 Michelle Kwan
2001 Michelle Kwan
2002 Michelle Kwan
2003 Michelle Kwan
2004 Sasha Cohen
2005 Sasha Cohen
2006 Beatriz Liang
2007 Alissa Czisny
2008 Rachael Flatt
2009 Alissa Czisny
2010 Rachael Flatt
2011 Alissa Czisny
2012 Cristina Gao
2013 Gracie Gold





Top contenders for the Confederate team in 2014, in this timeline would be

Gracie Gold (born in Confederate State of Baja)
Adelina Sotnikova (born in Confederate State of Madre)
Cristina Gao (born in Confederate State of Cuba)
Alissa Czisny (born in Confederate State of Baja)

[Fritz Owl]

In 6yet another Tl191 timeline,the US and CS become
allies, instead of enemies, and the two countries still
exist in North America to this day, but with the CS
also adding Arizona, New Mexico, Missouri, and
Kentucky, as well as the Baja and the northermost
tier of Mexico states. And with the two-year split-off
of summer and winter Olympics beginning in 1926,
these are the ladies Olympic gold medallists I figure
happening in that version of TL191


1926 Maribel vinson Confederate States
1930 Sonja Henie Norway
1934 Sonha Henie Norway
1938 Megan Taylor United Kingson
1950 Alena Varazonova Czechoslovokia
1954 Tenley Albright Australia
1958 Carol Heiss Confederate States
1962 Sjouke Dykstra Netherlands
1966 Peggy Fleming United States
1970 Gabriela Seyfert Confederate States
1974 Dianne De Leeuw Netherlands
1978 Annete Poetzsch Germany
1982 Denise Biellmann Australia
1986 Debra Tomas Confederate States
1990 Midore Ito Japan
1994 Tonya Harding Confederate States
1998 Tara Lipinski United States
2002 Sarah Hughes Australia
2006 Sasha Cohen Confederate States
2010 Yu-Na Kim Korea
2014 Adelina Sotnikova Confederate States
2018 Gracie Gold Confederate States



Also, the CSA, this version of timeline 191, I figure would
have had to medals in ice dancing

2006 Dominina and Shabalin
2010 Belbin and Agosto

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <5437485d$0$44432$c3e8da3$66d3...@news.astraweb.com>,
"Fritz Owl" <frit...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In 6yet another Tl191 timeline

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOUR STUPID FANTASIES AND IDENTITY THEFTS.

--

JD

�Labor is prior to and independent of capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could
never have existed if labor had not first
existed. Labor is the superior of capital,
and deserves much the higher consideration.�
--Abraham Lincoln

[Fritz Owl]

"Fritz Owl" <frit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> In 6yet another Tl191 timeline,the US and CS become
> allies, instead of enemies, and the two countries still
> exist in North America to this day, but with the CS
> also adding Arizona, New Mexico, Missouri, and
> Kentucky, as well as the Baja and the northermost
> tier of Mexico states. And with the two-year split-off
> of summer and winter Olympics beginning in 1926,
> these are the ladies Olympic gold medallists I figure
> happening in that version of TL191
>
>
> 1926 Maribel vinson Confederate States

One note. This skater is chararcter in some fan fiction
based on the series, and NEVER EXISTED in the
real world, as far as we know. The closest real world
analogue would probbaly be Maribel Owen, the mother
of Luarence Own. However, Maribel Owen, in the REAL
WORLD was NEVER an Olympian, as far as we know.

The fan fiction skater wins 9 Confederate National Titles,
as well as the Olympic gold medal for the CSA, and this
character occurs in several fan fic TL 191timelines

NO skater of ANY country had EVER won NINE,
or more, national titles, until Michelle Kwan did it shortly
after the turn of the 21st century. Other skaters came close
in a few countries, but has NEVER achieved nine or more
titles before Michelle Kwan. Dick Button had 7 US titles,
and the Canadian dance couple of Bourne and Kraatz had
8, but that was the closest anyone had come to winning 9
or more national titles.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <54374ea2$0$44498$c3e8da3$66d3...@news.astraweb.com>,

"Fritz Owl" <frit...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Fritz Owl" <frit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5437485d$0$44432$c3e8da3$66d3...@news.astraweb.com...
> >
> >
> > In 6yet another Tl191 timeline,the US and CS become
> > allies, instead of enemies, and the two countries still
> > exist in North America to this day, but with the CS
> > also adding Arizona, New Mexico, Missouri, and
> > Kentucky, as well as the Baja and the northermost
> > tier of Mexico states. And with the two-year split-off
> > of summer and winter Olympics beginning in 1926,
> > these are the ladies Olympic gold medallists I figure
> > happening in that version of TL191
> >
> >
> > 1926 Maribel vinson Confederate States
>
>
> One note. This skater is chararcter in some fan fiction
> based on the series, and NEVER EXISTED in the
> real world, as far as we know.

So now you're not just stealing people's identities, you're stealing
their very existence.


Every time I think you can't get any more vile, you prove me wrong.
Every single time.

And once again I wonder when you plan to explain why you think you're
allowed to do this.

[Fritz Owl]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message

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> In article <54374ea2$0$44498$c3e8da3$66d3...@news.astraweb.com>,
> "Fritz Owl" <frit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "Fritz Owl" <frit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:5437485d$0$44432$c3e8da3$66d3...@news.astraweb.com...
>> >
>> >
>> > In 6yet another Tl191 timeline,the US and CS become
>> > allies, instead of enemies, and the two countries still
>> > exist in North America to this day, but with the CS
>> > also adding Arizona, New Mexico, Missouri, and
>> > Kentucky, as well as the Baja and the northermost
>> > tier of Mexico states. And with the two-year split-off
>> > of summer and winter Olympics beginning in 1926,
>> > these are the ladies Olympic gold medallists I figure
>> > happening in that version of TL191
>> >
>> >
>> > 1926 Maribel vinson Confederate States
>>
>>
>> One note. This skater is chararcter in some fan fiction
>> based on the series, and NEVER EXISTED in the
>> real world, as far as we know.
>
> So now you're not just stealing people's identities, you're stealing
> their very existence.

This person is a character in a TL 191 fan fic. This
character is born on Confederate Cuba in 1910,
and wins the Olympic gold medal in either 1926 or
1928, depending on which fan fic timeline you use.

As far as I know, such person never existed. The closest
real world analogue I can find like I said, is Maribel Owen,
mother of Laurance Owen, but she was never an Olympian,
as far as I know.

Maribel Owen could very well be a real world analogue,
but an Olympian, she was not, even if she was a world class
coach in her day.

As for some of the other skaters on that TL191
Olympic champs list, Carol Heiss is listed as a
Confederate skater because she was born in
South, in Gulfport, Mississippi. Heiss was a
Southron Belle, in her day.

Gabriela "Gaby" Seyfert wins the 1970 Olympic
title of this timeline, becuase she would have been
born a Confederate citizen, she would have been
born in a Confederate Cuba.

Debra Tomas would have also been born a
Confederate citizen, and she would hae won
the 1986 Olympic title.

Sasha Cohen would have also been born a
Conferate citizen and we figure her for winning
the 2006 Olympic title in this timeline.
We also figure Adelina Sotnikova and Gracie
Gold as being Confederate skaters in that version
of TL 191. and winnng Olympic titles in 2014
and 2018 respectively.

As for the other fan fiction timeline that continues
the timeline from the books, this is THAT timeline's
ladies Olympic champions as we see it.


1928 Maribel Vinson Confederate States
1932 Sonja Henie Norway
1936 Sonja Henie Norway
1940 Hedy Stenuf Austria-Hungary
1948 Barbara Ann Scott United States
1952 Tenley Albright Australia
1956 Ingrid Wendel Austria-Hungary
1960 Sjouke Dijkstra Netherlands
1964 Albertina Noyes United States
1968 Gaby Seyfert United States
1972 Beatriz "Trixie" Schuba United States
1976 Dianne De Leeuw Netherlands
1980 Anette Poetzsch German Empire
1984 Tiffany Chin United States
1988 Liz Manley United States
1992 Surya Bonaly Occitania
1996 Michelle Kwan United States
2000 Vanessa Gusmeroli Occitania
2004 Sasha Cohen United States
2008 Yu-Na Kim Korea
2012 Carolina Kostner Italy
2016 Gracie Gold United States


The United States, by ths time, gets 6 medallists in dance, 5 of them gold

1976 O'connor and Milns Gold (born in Roseau,
Antiles)
1996 Punsulan and Swallow Gold
2004 Dominiana and Shablin Gold (born in Chihuahua City,
Chihuaua)
2008 Belbin and Agosto Gold (born in US state of
cuba
2012 Virtue and Moir Gold (born in Vancouver,
British Columbia)
2012 Davis and White Silver (born in St John's,
Antilles)


Certain skaters do not exist in the TL 191 timeline. Certain skaters born to
serviceman
fathers and foreign war bride mothers would not exist. Peggy Flaming,
Dorothy Hamill,
Tonya Harding, and Ashley Wagner are never born.

There are also three skaters born in cities that get nuked in TL 191, so
they cease to
exist. Jeanette Altwgg was born in Brighton, Carol Heiss was born in
Charleston, and
Jaqueline Du Bief was born in Paris, all nuked in TL 191, so they cease to
exist and never
become skaters.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <54377784$0$1545$c3e8da3$e408...@news.astraweb.com>,

"Fritz Owl" <frit...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hlwdjsd2-BB730A...@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <54374ea2$0$44498$c3e8da3$66d3...@news.astraweb.com>,
> > "Fritz Owl" <frit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Fritz Owl" <frit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:5437485d$0$44432$c3e8da3$66d3...@news.astraweb.com...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > In 6yet another Tl191 timeline,the US and CS become
> >> > allies, instead of enemies, and the two countries still
> >> > exist in North America to this day, but with the CS
> >> > also adding Arizona, New Mexico, Missouri, and
> >> > Kentucky, as well as the Baja and the northermost
> >> > tier of Mexico states. And with the two-year split-off
> >> > of summer and winter Olympics beginning in 1926,
> >> > these are the ladies Olympic gold medallists I figure
> >> > happening in that version of TL191
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 1926 Maribel vinson Confederate States
> >>
> >>
> >> One note. This skater is chararcter in some fan fiction
> >> based on the series, and NEVER EXISTED in the
> >> real world, as far as we know.
> >
> > So now you're not just stealing people's identities, you're stealing
> > their very existence.
>
>
> This person is a character in a TL 191 fan fic.

No, it is not. it is you lying.

If it were from a fanfic, it would be labeled as such in the "subject"
line.

[Thomas Groom]

in article 54374ea2$0$44498$c3e8da3$66d3...@news.astraweb.com, Fritz Owl at
frit...@hotmail.com wrote on 10/9/14, 8:12 PM:

> One note.

You were told that nobody cares. Stop.

[Thomas Groom]

in article 54377784$0$1545$c3e8da3$e408...@news.astraweb.com, Fritz Owl at
frit...@hotmail.com wrote on 10/9/14, 11:05 PM:

> This person

Chuck, stop.

[no useless gawdz]

On 10/9/2014 11:05 PM, Chuckie Shitz Pantz wrote:

> Thi

Nobody cares, you mentally ill piece of SHIT!

STFU, you lying trolling asshole.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

[no useless gawdz]

On 10/9/2014 8:12 PM, Chuckie Shitz Pantz wrote:

> On

NOBODY CARES, YOU TROLLING PIECE OF SHIT!

[Fritz Owl]

In Timeline 191, if it had happened, America would be the DOMINANT force in
womens figure skating.

Americans TL191 gold medallists

and also no 2 year split off between summer and winter games

1948 Barbara Ann Scott (born in Newfoundland)
1952 Sonya Klopfer (bonr in New York)
1960 Carol Heiss (born in Cuba)
1964 Laurence Owen (fictional TL191 fanfic character born in Alabama,
never existed real life)
1968 Gabriela Seifert (born in Cuba)
1972 Beatriz Schuba (born in Cuba)
1976 Cristina Errath (born in Cuba)
1984 Tiffany Chin (Born in Florida)
1988 Liz Manley (born in Ontario)
1992 Tonya Harding (born in Australia during Fourth Pacific War)
1996 Michelle Kwan (born in Florida)
2000 Michelle Kwan (born in Florida)
2004 Michelle Kwan (born in Florida)
2008 Rachael Flatt (born in Baja California)
2016 Graciela Elena Gold (born in Cuba)
2020 Carla Maria Gold (born in Cuba)


I also figure that in Timeline 191, the US, in the summer Olympics, gets
more womens gynastics all around golds than any other country in the world


1976 Nadia Comeneche
1980 Nadia Comaneche
1984 Marilu Reton
1988 Daniela Silva
1992 Kim Zemeskal
1996 Dominique Moceneau
2000 Simona Amonar
2008 Shawn Johnson
2012 Gabby Douglas
2016 Simone Biles


Here are all the post GW2 Olympic ladies figure skating champs in Timeline
191

1948 Barbara Ann Scott United States

1952 Sonya Klopfer United States
1956 Tenley Albright Australia
1960 Carol Heiss United States
1968 Gabriela Seifert United States
1972 Beatriz Schuba United States
1976 Cristina Errath United States
1980 Annete Poetzch German Empire

1984 Tiffany Chin United States
1988 Liz Manley United States

1992 Tonya Harding United States

1996 Michelle Kwan United States

2000 Michelle Kwan United States
2004 Michelle Kwan United States
2008 Rachael Flatt United States
2012 Carolina Kostner Republic Of Venice
2016 Graciela Gold United States
2020 Carla Gold United States


Ladies world champions, post GW2 Timeline 191

1945 Barbara Ann Scott United States
1946 Barbara Ann Scott United States
1947 Barbara Ann Scott United States

1948 Barbara Ann Scott United States

1949 Alena Varazonova Austro Hungarian Empire
1950 Alena Varazonova Austro Hungarian Empire
1951 Sonya Klopfer United States
1952 Sonya Kopfer United States
1953 Tenley Albright Australia
1954 Tenley Albright Australia
1955 Tenley Albright Australia
1956 Tenley Albright Australia
1957 Carol Heiss United States
1958 Carol Heiss United States
1959 Carol Heiss United States
1960 Carol Heiss United States
1961 Laurence Owen United States
1962 Laurence Owen United States
1963 Laurence Owen United States
1964 Laurebce Owen United States
1965 Petra Burka Austro Hungarian Empire
1966 Gabriela Seifert United States
1967 Gabriela Seifert United States
1968 Gabriela Seifert United States
1969 Gabriela Seifert United States
1970 Gabriela Seifert United States
1971 Beatriz Schuba United States
1972 Beatriz Schuba United States
1973 Karen Magnuson Rhodesia
1974 Cristina Errath United States
1975 Dianne De Leeuw Netherlands
1976 Cristina Errath United States
1977 Annete Poetzsch German Empire
1978 Annete Poetzsch German Empire
1979 Annete Poetzsch German Empire
1980 Annete Poetzsch German Empire
1981 Elaine Zayack United States
1982 Elaine Zayack United States
1983 Kristiina Wegelius Finland

1984 Tiffany Chin United States

1985 Tiffany Chin United States
1986 Tiffany Chin United States
1987 Karen Kadavy United States

1988 Liz Manley United States

1989 Midore Ito Japanese Workers Republic
1990 Midore Ito Japanese Workers Republic
1991 Tonya Harding United States
1992 Tonya Harding United States
1993 Surya Bonaly Occitania (born in Nice)
1994 Yuka Sato Ognia
1995 Surya Bonaly Occitania

1996 Michelle Kwan United States

1997 Michelle Kwan United States
1998 Michelle Kwan United States
1999 Michelle Kwan United States
2000 Michelle Kwan United States
2001 Michelle Kwan United States
2002 Michelle Kwan United States
2003 Michelle Kwan United States
2004 Michelle Kwan United States
2005 Irina Slutskaya Far East Republic (born in Vladivostok)
2006 Fumi Suguri Ezo (born in Sapporro)
2007 Miki Ando Ognia
2008 Rachael Flatt United States
2009 Yuna Kim Korea
2010 Mao Asada Ognia
2011 Mao Asada Ognia
2012 Carolina Kostner Republic Of Venice
2013 Yuna Kim Korea
2014 Carolina Kostner Republic Of Venice
2015 Graciela Gold United States
2016 Graciela Gold United States



The way I see it, the 2016 worlds, in Timeline 191 would have been


Gold Graciela Gold United States
Silver Gabriella Dalemann United States
Bronze Mirai Nagasu United States

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/19/2016 11:33 AM, Shitz Troll wrote:

> In

NOBODY CARES, YOU BRAINLESS MORON!

Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic moronic asshole.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/climate_desk/2014/02/internet_troll_personality_study_machiavellianism_narcissism_psychopathy.html

*Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People*
Narcissistic, Machiavellian, Psychopathic, and Sadistic.
By Chris Mooney
February 14, 2014

In the past few years, the science of Internet trollology has made some
strides. Last year, for instance, we learned that by hurling insults and
inciting discord in online comment sections, so-called Internet trolls
(who are frequently anonymous) have a polarizing effect on audiences,
leading to politicization, rather than deeper understanding of
scientific topics.

That's bad, but it's nothing compared with what a new psychology paper
has to say about the personalities of trolls themselves
[http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886914000324].
The research, conducted by Erin Buckels of the University of Manitoba
and two colleagues, sought to directly investigate whether people who
engage in trolling are characterized by personality traits that fall in
the so-called Dark Tetrad: Machiavellianism (willingness to manipulate
and deceive others), narcissism (egotism and self-obsession),
psychopathy (the lack of remorse and empathy), and sadism (pleasure in
the suffering of others).

It is hard to overplay the results: The study found correlations,
sometimes quite significant, between these traits and trolling behavior.
What's more, it also found a relationship between all Dark Tetrad traits
(except for narcissism) and the overall time that an individual spent,
per day, commenting on the Internet.

In the study, trolls were identified in a variety of ways. One was by
simply asking survey participants what they "enjoyed doing most" when on
online comment sites, offering five options: "debating issues that are
important to you," "chatting with others," "making new friends,"
"trolling others," and "other." Here's how different responses about
these Internet commenting preferences matched up with responses to
questions designed to identify Dark Tetrad traits: 2

To be sure, only 5.6 percent of survey respondents actually specified
that they enjoyed "trolling." By contrast, 41.3 percent of Internet
users were "non-commenters," meaning they didn't like engaging online at
all. So trolls are, as has often been suspected, a minority of online
commenters, and an even smaller minority of overall Internet users.

The researchers conducted multiple studies, using samples from Amazon's
Mechanical Turk but also of college students, to try to understand why
the act of trolling seems to attract this type of personality. They even
constructed their own survey instrument, which they dubbed the Global
Assessment of Internet Trolling, or GAIT, containing the following items:

* I have sent people to shock websites for the lulz.

* I like to troll people in forums or the comments section of
websites.

* I enjoy griefing
[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=griefing] other players
in multiplayer games.

* The more beautiful and pure a thing is, the more satisfying it
is to corrupt.

Yes, some people actually say they agree with such statements. And
again, doing so was correlated with sadism in its various forms, with
psychopathy, and with Machiavellianism. Overall, the authors found that
the relationship between sadism and trolling was the strongest, and that
indeed, sadists appear to troll because they find it pleasurable. "Both
trolls and sadists feel sadistic glee at the distress of others," they
wrote. "Sadists just want to have fun ... and the Internet is their
playground!" 3

The study comes as websites, particularly at major media outlets, are
increasingly weighing steps to rein in trollish behavior. Last year
Popular Science did away with its comments sections completely, citing
research on the deleterious effects of trolling, and YouTube also took
measures to rein in trolling.

But study author Buckels actually isn't sure that fix is a realistic
one. "Because the behaviors are intrinsically motivating for sadists,
comment moderators will likely have a difficult time curbing trolling
with punishments (e.g., banning users)," she said by email. "Ultimately,
the allure of trolling may be too strong for sadists, who presumably
have limited opportunities to express their sadistic interests in a
socially-desirable manner"

[Fritz Owl]

>
> Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic moronic asshole.
>

No way!!!! Now that Jeanne Douglas no longer posts here, you are the only
one I have left that has a problem with my posts. I will NOT shut up, and
will KEEP posting here. Other ones that have tired to drive me out of here
have failed, over the past 22 years.


And speaking of Cubans and Cubam Americans, one Cuban-American gymnast is
apparently already looking forward to the 2020 Olympics. Alejandra Rosa
"Aly" Raissmann is apparently looking ahead to competing at the 2020
Olympics. The Cuban-born gymnast won the silver in the all around, to go
with her team gold, as part of the US team. If she makes it, 2020 will be
her third Olympics, and second for the USA. She previously competed for Cuba
in 2012 and won the balance beam gold that year.

Other Cuban-born gymnasts to compete for America include Amanda Bordon, part
of the "Mag 7" 1996 team, and Laura "Laurie" Hernandez.

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/19/2016 10:52 PM, Shitz Troll wrote:

> N

Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic moronic asshole.

[Chilly8]

"Tzatz Ziki" <g...@lic.dip> wrote in message
news:npgu0e$cfg$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

> On 8/19/2016 10:52 PM, Shitz Troll wrote:
>
>> N
>
> Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic moronic asshole.
>

I am NEVER going away

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/23/2016 12:57 AM, ShittyTroll8 wrote:

> I am going away

Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic shitstain.

[Fritz Owl]

I will NEVER give up.

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/23/2016 7:39 PM, Shitz Troll wrote:

> I

Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic shitstain.

http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/

[Chilly8]

Jeanne finally gave up, why don't you do the same

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/24/2016 12:51 AM, ShittyTroll8 wrote:

> J

[Chilly8]

"Tzatz Ziki" <g...@lic.dip> wrote in message

news:npkmnl$cp9$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

> On 8/24/2016 12:51 AM, ShittyTroll8 wrote:
>
>> J
>
> Shut the fuck up,

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/25/2016 1:26 AM, ShittyTroll8 wrote:

> N

[Chilly8]

"Tzatz Ziki" <g...@lic.dip> wrote in message

news:npo1du$1lfu$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

> On 8/25/2016 1:26 AM, ShittyTroll8 wrote:
>
>> N
>
> Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic shitstain.

GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/26/2016 2:36 AM, ShittyTroll8 wrote:

> G

Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic shitstain.

[Chilly8]

Buzz off!!!!!??!?

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/26/2016 10:09 PM, ShittyTroll8 wrote:

> B

[Fritz Owl]

GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/27/2016 7:44 AM, Shitz Troll wrote:

> G

[new...@sonic.net]

You are NOT going to shut ME up!!!!!!!!

GO TO FUCKING *HELL*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/29/2016 11:57 PM, new...@sonic.net trolled:

> You

[Fritz Owl]

Looks like my phone screwed up there, and used an address I have not had for
many years.


Aside from that:



GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/30/2016 1:52 AM, Shitz Troll wrote:

> Loo

[Fritz Owl]

FUCK OFF!!!!!!


I WILL NOT SHUT UP!!!!!!!

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/30/2016 12:38 PM, Shitz Trolll wrote:

> I MUST FUCK OFF!!!!!!
>
>
> I WILL SHUT UP!!!!!!!

[Fritz Owl]

I TOLD YOU TO FUCK OFF!!!!!!!

NOW FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 8/31/2016 2:08 AM, Shitz Troll wrote:

> I NEED TO FUCK OFF!!!!!!!
>
> NOW I MUST FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chilly8]

GO TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 9/1/2016 1:36 AM, ShittyTroll8 wrote:

> I LIVE IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/

[Chilly8]

"Tzatz Ziki" <g...@lic.dip> wrote in message

news:nq9tq2$rgm$1...@gioia.aioe.org...

> On 9/1/2016 1:36 AM, ShittyTroll8 wrote:
>
>> I LIVE IN HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/
>
> Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic shitstain.
>
> http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/
>
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

KNOCK IT *OFF*!!!!!!!!

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 9/1/2016 7:03 PM, ShittyTroll8 wrote:

> CHUCKIE LIKES TO JERK *OFF*!!!!!!!!

Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic shitstain.

http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

[Chilly8]

>
> Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic shitstain.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <57b750f2$0$31249$c3e8da3$dd96...@news.astraweb.com>,
"Fritz Owl" <Frit...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> In Timeline 191,


Nobody gives a shit about your incredibly stupid alternate timelines.

--

JD

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream
up a God superior to themselves. Most
Gods have the manners and morals of a
spoiled child.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <57b7f049$0$62987$c3e8da3$1cbc...@news.astraweb.com>,
"Fritz Owl" <Frit...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic moronic asshole.
> >
>
>
> No way!!!! Now that Jeanne Douglas no longer posts here,


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <npjjmu$ekb$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,

"Chilly8" <Chi...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Jeanne finally gave up, why don't you do the same

Who says I gave up?

[Fritz Owl]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:hlwdjsd2-9A8134...@news.giganews.com...

> In article <npjjmu$ekb$1...@gioia.aioe.org>,
> "Chilly8" <Chi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jeanne finally gave up, why don't you do the same
>
> Who says I gave up?

You were not around for a long time, I thought maybe you dissappeared for
good

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <57cc3bee$0$1854$c3e8da3$5d8f...@news.astraweb.com>,

And while I was away I was laughing every time I thought about your
thinking I was gone for good, you arrogant little shit.

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 9/2/2016 5:14 AM, Chilly8 wrote:

> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shut the fuck up, lying trolling psychopathic shitstain.

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 9/4/2016 8:21 AM, Shitz Troll wrote:

> You

[Chilly8]

I will NOT shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 9/5/2016 4:10 PM, ShittyTroll8 wrote:

> I WILL shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chilly8]

No I will NOT

[Tzatz Ziki]

On 9/5/2016 7:30 PM, ShittyTroll8 wrote:

> Yes I WILL eat shit and drop dead

[Fritz Owl]

One thing from Timeline 191 could become reality. There is a bill to be
introduced into Congress to make Puerto Rico a state.

In TL191, all four of the Greater Antilles become US states (Cuba, Jamaica,
Hispaniola, Puerto Rico)

What has been part of TL 191 fan fiction to continue that timeline, could
become reality, as far as Puerto Rico goes.

Based on that timeline's various election results, Puerto Rico has 6
electoral votes, 2 Senators and four Congresspeople, bringing the electoral
college total to 544, meaning that any President would need 273 EV, instead
of 270.

[hlwdjsd]

On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 8:29:59 PM UTC-7, Fritz Owl wrote:
> One thing from Timeline 191

If you want to talk about your lame alternate timelines go to an SF newsgroup.

[Fritz Owl]

"hlwdjsd" <hlw...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:adf94558-935d-4b05...@googlegroups.com...

However, Puerto Rico could well become a state in the real world

[hlwdjsd]

The Senate will not vote to lessen their power by adding more Senators. Why do you keep ignoring this fact?

[Fritz Owl]

One thing about Timeline 191 is that some fan fiction writers need to check
what the are smoking

Rashida Taib? President?

She can NEVER be President becuase she was not born in the United States.

[hlwdjsd]

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 5:56:08 AM UTC-7, Fritz Owl wrote:


> Rashida Taib? President?
>
> She can NEVER be President becuase she was not born in the United States.

Since when is Detroit, where she was born, not in the United States?

[Fritz Owl]

"hlwdjsd" <hlw...@pacbell.net> wrote in message

news:1208dd18-3c05-4616...@googlegroups.com...

She was born in the Islamic Republic Of Medquar. She was born in Rowqaf on
July 24, 1976.


The other Islamic Congresscritter is also from Medquar. Ilhan Adbullah Omar
was born in what was then Daingeloog, Medquar, Ognian Confederation on
October 7, 1981.

And when it comes to the former Ognian Confederation, one Senator did have
one parent born in Ognia. Kamala Harris is of Kathar anncestry form her
mother's side, her mum being born in Siple, Octranar, Ognian Confederation.
She was born in Oakland, California to an ethnic Kathar mother and Jamaican
father.

When it comes to ethnic Kathars in America there is one figure skater who is
an ethnic Kathar. Pooja Kalyan is an ethnic Kathar, born in Zareveled,
Kathar, Ognian Confederation on March 11, 2000.

[hlwdjsd]

On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 2:39:37 PM UTC-7, Fritz Owl wrote:
> "hlwdjsd" <hlw...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:1208dd18-3c05-4616...@googlegroups.com...
> > On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 5:56:08 AM UTC-7, Fritz Owl wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Rashida Taib? President?
> >>
> >> She can NEVER be President becuase she was not born in the United States.
> >
> >
> > Since when is Detroit, where she was born, not in the United States?
> >
>
>
> She was born in the Islamic Republic Of Medquar.

How can she have been born in a non existent country?

[Fritz Owl]

Onw thing that happens post second great war, in Timeline 191, is Medicare
For All

I wonder if some of those candidates proposing Medicare For All was reading
that AH timeline


Medicare For All WILL NEVER HAPPEN in the Untied States.

[hlwdjsd]

On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 10:28:45 PM UTC-8, Fritz Owl wrote:
> Onw thing that happens post second great war, in Timeline 191,

Nobody cares.

[Fritz Owl]

"hlwdjsd" <hlw...@pacbell.net> wrote in message

news:9fece4f8-750a-49f3...@googlegroups.com...

> On Monday, January 27, 2020 at 10:28:45 PM UTC-8, Fritz Owl wrote:
>> Onw thing that happens post second great war, in Timeline 191,
>
> Nobody cares.
>

My point is that Medicare For All WILL NEVER HAPPEN in America

[hlwdjsd]

And what do you base that ridiculous statement on?

Do you think people will continue to see their children die for lack of health care? Do you think people will continue to watch their wives and babies die in childbirth because they had no prenatal care?