Ping Joy - (Repost)
Charlie
referred to me at least twice that I know of. I have always dealt
with
you openly and directly, you may not have liked what I said, but I
take responsibility for what I say. DO YOU?
These are your words:
"I browsed there once, just to see what sort of things were posted.
One of the first things I saw was a nasty homophobic rant by no other
than Charlie"
Please tell your friends here whether I asked that you be included in
the ABLL group or resisted it.
Charlie
Geno4321
"Charlie" <cbau...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ouix3
.
toci
> just not something that happens in that group. I don't think there's
> been one cross word from anyone about anything. Perhaps you've muddled
> the groups, or perhaps the posters?
> --
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Not the poster, Sacha, but perhaps the group. The person in question
did do a most revolting anti-homosexual screed here, bizarrely naming
Gordon as a "queer." And right now he's doing an anti-homosexual riff
over on 50+friends. I don't know how to cut-and-paste, but you can
find it if you try. Toci
Gordon H
<278ba70a-52de-4856...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
toci <gin...@yahoo.com> writes
>
>Not the poster, Sacha, but perhaps the group. The person in question
>did do a most revolting anti-homosexual screed here, bizarrely naming
>Gordon as a "queer."
LOL!"
Which clashes wildly with what Judith and Sacha have said about me!
> And right now he's doing an anti-homosexual riff
>over on 50+friends. I don't know how to cut-and-paste, but you can
>find it if you try. Toci
But who would want to read his rants?
Yet again yours is the first post I read in this thread
--
Gordon H
Remove "invalid" to reply
Joy
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> just not something that happens in that group. I don't think there's been
> one cross word from anyone about anything. Perhaps you've muddled the
> groups, or perhaps the posters?
> --
> Sacha
I may have been wrong about the poster, but I know I saw it on that group.
If it wasn't Charlie, I'm sorry I said what I did, although I've seen such
things from him here and on afpf.
I did try to find the post, but I can't seem to get anything that old. It
was several weeks ago, I think.
Joy
Joy
> enough going on in the ones I do follow regularly! But Joy's reason for
> not posting to the other group was offence she'd taken at something
> Charlie said there and I really don't think he's ever done such a thing.
> I think it matters because of course, it affects all of us and the only
> person who can clear it up is Joy. Perhaps she's seen something she
> objects to on 50+friends but what I saw of that group in the past, I doubt
> Charlie's the only one in the frame!
> --
> Sacha
There are only two or three who have gotten that nasty about homosexuals on
any of the newsgroups, and Charlie is most definitely one of them. If you
don't think Charlie has ever done such a thing, you haven't been reading all
his posts. It has happened on afpf, and here too, I believe. I know I saw
that post on the louis lamour group, the one and only time I looked at that
group. That is the reason I unsubscribed immediately. However, I couldn't
find it when I hunted after it was questioned. I dont' remember the thread
title, or I'd do a search.
Joy
oxuix3
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So what! I will post what I like where I like and don't give a fuck
what you think about it.
You are a fucking lying bitch UNLESS you produce a cut and paste copy
of what I said on alt.books.louis-Lamoir that was " a nasty homophobic
rant". THAT was what you said. I do not hide my posts so show that you
are not lying.
PROVE IT BIG MOUTH!
Gordon H
<toa...@real-me.net> writes
>
>There are only two or three who have gotten that nasty about homosexuals on
>any of the newsgroups, and Charlie is most definitely one of them. If you
>don't think Charlie has ever done such a thing, you haven't been reading all
>his posts. It has happened on afpf, and here too, I believe. I know I saw
>that post on the louis lamour group, the one and only time I looked at that
>group. That is the reason I unsubscribed immediately. However, I couldn't
>find it when I hunted after it was questioned. I dont' remember the thread
>title, or I'd do a search.
>
>Joy
>
wanting to read Charlie's posts.
ouxie93
wrote:
> In message <4b43d6ba$0$19460$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy
> <toas...@real-me.net> writes
Then she shouldn't lie about reading them.
Charlie
l1luxie9
> don't see Joy as a liar but if one reads several groups, it's easy to
> muddle them at times.
> --
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Likely you are right, Sacha. A person of good character has no problem
saying they made a mistake. What is more human than that?
The continueing effort to make a group that was gotten togeather for
such personal and affectionate reasons does not deserve to be put down
like this. We know the effort everyone there has made to avoid this
kind of thing.
You are very fair in your statements on this and I appreciate it.
Charlie
Joy
> I think that if you're going to accuse Charlie of doing something you
> think detrimental to a group several of us post to, you would be fair in
> finding the post and giving it with the headers. A Google search should
> do that for you and after all, it's not as if you have to go back and
> search a very long time! None of us on abll can recall any such post from
> Charlie. What he does on other groups, it's up to those groups to police
> if they want to do so. But it does strike me as very unfair that you post
> this accusation against Charlie and abll on this group and go on posting
> here (which has a small number of very vicious, angry and wounding people
> here who tore the place apart) while saying that abll is beneath you
> because it tolerates anti-gay (or other) posts. It gives the impression
> that on here, insulting and cruel posts to older women, or certain members
> being pounced on and treated with derision and contempt the second they
> post, are allowable. None of us at abll have seen or remember any such
> post of that type from Charlie or anyone else. I think you must be
> mistaken and as I've always thought of you as a fair and even-handed
> person, it would be nice if you could say that.
>
> --
> Sacha
All I can say, and still be honest, is that I know I saw the post an abll.
I thought Charlie made it. There is a possibility that it was made by
someone else. If so, I'm sorry I said it was from him.
I didn't mean to give the impression that the newsgroup was beneath me
because of that post. I resent, and have objected to, any posts of the
nature you mention. I lost a good friend by making such an objection. I
stay with this, and two other newsgroups, because, although I deplore the
nastiness, there are people who post here (and there) whom I like. However,
I do not want to add another newsgroup where the same sort of thing goes on.
I certainly had no idea this would be such a big deal, although I shouldn't
be surprised, considering the way some people keep dragging up old grudges.
I am very sorry that people are upset by what I said. I realize that it
would have been better if I'd kept quiet about it. However, I can't deny
what I know I saw, no matter how many people tell me they didn't see it.
Obviously, after all this fuss, there would be no point in my trying that
newsgroup again, because I wouldn't be welcome there.
Joy
Joy
> see Joy as a liar but if one reads several groups, it's easy to muddle
> them at times.
> --
> Sacha
I appreciate your bending over backward to be fair, Sacha. It may have been
a mistake, but it wasn't a lie. I logged onto that group precisely once.
It is the only new group I've tried since afp was reactivated, so I know
that's where I saw the post. There is a chance it wasn't Charlie who made
the post, but it was certainly my impression at the time that he did, and it
was very much the same as things he has posted elsewhere. I know it wasn't
on one of my regular groups, because it was an original post, not a
response, and I have Charlie killfiled on my usual groups.
I wish I hadn't said it, but I can't take it back, because that *would* be a
lie.
Joy
Joy
> regularly have any recollection of such a post from anyone. abll's whole
> purpose is to avoid what goes on here at times. You can't find the post
> and now you're not sure it was Charlie who made it. Bit of a sorry mess,
> really. If you and Charlie can put it behind you, then perhaps all of us
> can move on but I really do want to say that abll just doesn't 'do' that
> kind of thing. Its rebirth came about for that very reason. Perhaps we
> can just try to get past this and put it down to diverging opinions -
> that'll be a change for newsgroups! - and misunderstandings.
>>
>> I didn't mean to give the impression that the newsgroup was beneath me
>> because of that post. I resent, and have objected to, any posts of the
>> nature you mention. I lost a good friend by making such an objection. I
>> stay with this, and two other newsgroups, because, although I deplore the
>> nastiness, there are people who post here (and there) whom I like.
>> However,
>> I do not want to add another newsgroup where the same sort of thing goes
>> on.
>>
>> I certainly had no idea this would be such a big deal, although I
>> shouldn't
>> be surprised, considering the way some people keep dragging up old
>> grudges.
>
> factual and it affects all of us at abll because that isn't what we want
> the group to be like and it isn't. It's friendly and chatty and not
> diminishing or unkind.
>>
>> I am very sorry that people are upset by what I said. I realize that it
>> would have been better if I'd kept quiet about it. However, I can't deny
>> what I know I saw, no matter how many people tell me they didn't see it.
>>
>> Obviously, after all this fuss, there would be no point in my trying that
>> newsgroup again, because I wouldn't be welcome there.
>>
>> Joy
>
> welcome there. I know how well liked you are. We can all fall out with
> friends from time to time and if they're good friends, others will try to
> mend the situation. If I'm wrong, others will speedily correct me, I'm
> quite certain!
> --
> Sacha
Thank you, Sacha. At some point in the future, I may try it again.
Joy
l1luxie9
> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> > On 2010-01-06 23:31:05 +0000, "Joy" <toas...@real-me.net> said:
>
> >> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> >>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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Please don't.
Peaches
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Peaches
Joy
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>>>>
>>>> I am very sorry that people are upset by what I said. I realize that
>>>> it
>>>> would have been better if I'd kept quiet about it. However, I can't
>>>> deny
>>>> what I know I saw, no matter how many people tell me they didn't see
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, after all this fuss, there would be no point in my trying
>>>> that
>>>> newsgroup again, because I wouldn't be welcome there.
>>>>
>>>> Joy
>>>
>>> I can only speak for myself but I'd be surprised if you're not *always*
>>> welcome there. I know how well liked you are. We can all fall out with
>>> friends from time to time and if they're good friends, others will try
>>> to mend the situation. If I'm wrong, others will speedily correct me,
>>> I'm quite certain!
>>> --
>>> Sacha
>>
>> Thank you, Sacha. At some point in the future, I may try it again.
>>
>> Joy
>>
> Please do Joy, you are well liked by many
>
> Peaches
Thank you, Peaches.
Joy
Joy
--
Joy
Graham
or
http://tiny.cc/0RKVp
The first rwo are NOT Charlie the second two are.
G.
"Anne Welsh Jackson" <amyg...@zetnet.co.uk> schreef in bericht
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> "Joy" <toa...@real-me.net> wrote:
>
>> All I can say, and still be honest, is that I know I saw the post an
>> abll.
>> I thought Charlie made it. There is a possibility that it was made by
>> someone else. If so, I'm sorry I said it was from him.
>
> Joy, in one of my infrequent glimpses into "the new Nirvana"
> I also saw a particularly unpleasant post from Charlie - I cannot
> even remember the subject - and looked later to see if anyone
> had commented on the nastiness.
>
> My first thought had been that Charlie had started shitting in his
> brand new nest - but there was never a comment in response.
>
> It was the end of November, or the very beginning of December,
> and the post was retrieved by Zimacs, but it is no longer in my
> newsreader - which deletes posts over one month old, unless
> I specifically mark it to be kept. It occurs to me that it _is_ possible
> to have posts removed from Google, but once Zimacs collects a
> post, it stays on my newsreader, as I said, for a month. (I wish now
> that I had marked it for keeping!) I have searched Google, and
> that post no longer exists...
>
> I may be accused of lying, or misunderstanding, but I know what
> I saw. You may have seen the same post?
>
> --
> AnneJ
Charley
> "Joy" <toas...@real-me.net> wrote:
> > All I can say, and still be honest, is that I know I saw the post an abll.
> > I thought Charlie made it. There is a possibility that it was made by
> > someone else. If so, I'm sorry I said it was from him.
>
> I also saw a particularly unpleasant post from Charlie - I cannot
> even remember the subject - and looked later to see if anyone
> had commented on the nastiness.
>
> My first thought had been that Charlie had started shitting in his
> brand new nest - but there was never a comment in response.
>
> It was the end of November, or the very beginning of December,
> and the post was retrieved by Zimacs, but it is no longer in my
> newsreader - which deletes posts over one month old, unless
> I specifically mark it to be kept. It occurs to me that it _is_ possible
> to have posts removed from Google, but once Zimacs collects a
> post, it stays on my newsreader, as I said, for a month. (I wish now
> that I had marked it for keeping!) I have searched Google, and
> that post no longer exists...
>
> I may be accused of lying, or misunderstanding, but I know what
> I saw. You may have seen the same post?
>
> --
> AnneJ
Perhaps it was the flashing lights.
When your arm locks up does your brain take a shit too.
Funny thing with you and your great google searchers. You can't prove
something that never happened.
Charlie
Joy
--
Joy
Happy New Year!
"Graham" <j.hu...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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Bigbazza
Please DO, Joy...You are always welcome to post!.....
--
Bigbazza (Barry) Oz
"Friendship with oneself is all important because without it one cannot be
friends with anybody else in the world."
Joy
news:7ql044...@mid.individual.net...
Thank you, Barry. However, I think there is at least one person who
apparently posts there who would not want me to do so.
Joy
Lyndon
>
> Thank you, Peaches.
>
> Joy
I did a google search, and on 6th December in ABLL a post written by Charlie
of the sort you describe was certainly there under the heading of 'eeee!'
Looking at the post further, I don't think Charlie actually posted it there.
It was a copy of something he had posted here.
So, you did see it there. Charlie did write it. Charlie didn't post it.
Charlie saw it too, because he commented on it.
Hope that clears things up.
--
Lyndon
Lyndon
> or
> http://tiny.cc/0RKVp
> The first rwo are NOT Charlie the second two are.
> G.
>
--
Lyndon
Bobbie
> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:16:13 GMT, Anne Welsh Jackson wrote:
>
>> "Joy" <toa...@real-me.net> wrote:
>>
>>> All I can say, and still be honest, is that I know I saw the post an abll.
>>> I thought Charlie made it. There is a possibility that it was made by
>>> someone else. If so, I'm sorry I said it was from him.
>> I also saw a particularly unpleasant post from Charlie - I cannot
>> even remember the subject - and looked later to see if anyone
>> had commented on the nastiness.
>>
>> My first thought had been that Charlie had started shitting in his
>> brand new nest - but there was never a comment in response.
>>
>> It was the end of November, or the very beginning of December,
>> and the post was retrieved by Zimacs, but it is no longer in my
>> newsreader - which deletes posts over one month old, unless
>> I specifically mark it to be kept. It occurs to me that it _is_ possible
>> to have posts removed from Google, but once Zimacs collects a
>> post, it stays on my newsreader, as I said, for a month. (I wish now
>> that I had marked it for keeping!) I have searched Google, and
>> that post no longer exists...
>>
>> I may be accused of lying, or misunderstanding, but I know what
>> I saw. You may have seen the same post?
>
> can work out who posted it?
Val we really don't need to read over and over the filth from this man.
Isn't enough that we know he said it. The fact that it was posted to asp
and not abll really doesn't alter the depth to which this man will go
when crossed.
That anyone can excuse his words just because they didn't happen to be
posted on abll just amazes me.
Joy did not lie, she was not to know that the post in question had been
copied from asp. Joy certainly does not deserve the kind of vitriol that
she is being subjected to now.
If only people would ignore the attempts at disruption that has gone on
since certain members chose to move on, this kind of proliferation would
not happen.
We have people posting here who, though part of that other group have
said the most denigrating things about this group and those that post
here, I find that both hypocritical and unacceptable.
I also find it amazing that despite the history of the kinds of posts
made by the man in question, there are still some who are attempting to
suggest that the posts were in fact made by a troll. Not at all. All of
us that have posted here and on afpf for many years are more than well
aware of the kind of invective he is capable of.
Bobbie
Jean B.
> Thank you both.
>
Joy, anyone (or maybe I should say any sane, unbiased person?) who
has known you on the groups for a long time know that a) you are a
nice person, and b) if you said something that was incorrect, it
was an innocent mistake. We also know that the same cannot be
said of your accuser.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
Too true.
--
Jean B.
Gordon H
<j.hu...@chello.nl> writes
>http://groups.google.nl/group/alt.books.louis-lamour/browse_thread/threa
>d/1e0d9b2928f12e19/d6fb264723d93008?hl=nl&lnk=gst&q=Eeee!#d6fb264723d930I remember those posts from Charlie. 8-(
Jean B.
I do too--don't remember the group though. Just that they were
ultra-despicable.
--
Jean B.
Gordon H
writes
friends with everyone. I'm afraid that I accept that it is
impossible to be friends with Charlie, who has aimed obscene insults at
me, nor do I wish to read anything from those who condone his behaviour.
Gordon H
<toa...@real-me.net> writes
>
>I appreciate your bending over backward to be fair, Sacha.
Wrong, I'm afraid, Sacha is bending over backwards to try to excuse
Charlie.
>
>There is a chance it wasn't Charlie who made
>the post, but it was certainly my impression at the time that he did, and it
>was very much the same as things he has posted elsewhere. I know it wasn't
>on one of my regular groups, because it was an original post, not a
>response, and I have Charlie killfiled on my usual groups.
Charlie posted the original in here, and it was an obscene insult aimed
at me, so I ought to know!
Anyone who is a "friend" of Charlie must accept that they may be judged
by association.
Joy
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Thank you, Lyndon.
Joy
>
Joy
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> On Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:16:13 GMT, Anne Welsh Jackson wrote:
>
>> "Joy" <toa...@real-me.net> wrote:
>>
>>> All I can say, and still be honest, is that I know I saw the post an
>>> abll.
>>> I thought Charlie made it. There is a possibility that it was made by
>>> someone else. If so, I'm sorry I said it was from him.
>>
>> Joy, in one of my infrequent glimpses into "the new Nirvana"
>> I also saw a particularly unpleasant post from Charlie - I cannot
>> even remember the subject - and looked later to see if anyone
>> had commented on the nastiness.
>>
>> My first thought had been that Charlie had started shitting in his
>> brand new nest - but there was never a comment in response.
>>
>> It was the end of November, or the very beginning of December,
>> and the post was retrieved by Zimacs, but it is no longer in my
>> newsreader - which deletes posts over one month old, unless
>> I specifically mark it to be kept. It occurs to me that it _is_ possible
>> to have posts removed from Google, but once Zimacs collects a
>> post, it stays on my newsreader, as I said, for a month. (I wish now
>> that I had marked it for keeping!) I have searched Google, and
>> that post no longer exists...
>>
>> I may be accused of lying, or misunderstanding, but I know what
>> I saw. You may have seen the same post?
>
> If anyone is interested, I've found it - header details attached if anyone
> can work out who posted it?
>
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> From: Geeze on asp <m...@me.me>
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> Your setting the world on fire with your posts, little sperm taster.
>
> 10 hours now and if others try to post to boost your wimpy ass, it
> will look like it should, despiration.
>
> Run along little queer.
>
> Charlie
>
> --
> A sharp tongue can cut your own throat.
> http://ariesval.co.uk/val/
> http://www.ariesval.co.uk/SixtyPlusBirthdays.html
Thank you, Val.
Joy
Joy
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Thank you, Jean, and thanks to everyone else who defended me.
Joy
Joy
> On 2010-01-07 14:52:57 +0000, Gordon H
> who used an assumed name to abll to tar the whole group. You know very
> well we don't condone Charlie's language but you're working awfully hard
> to make everyone think otherwise, hence that 'judged by association'
> remark. Interesting. And my goodness, aren't you enjoying trying to get
> the spotlight onto YOU. For someone who doesn't want anything to do with
> Charlie, you must have talked about him about half a dozen times today, in
> relation to yourself. This does seem not only a trifle hypocritical but
> also somewhat over-strenuous in terms of the effort made to badmouth abll.
> Such a shame for you and yours that that group gets along very happily.
>
> --
> Sacha
I wish people would stop accusing others of making those posts. They have
no idea what they are talking about. I know who it was, but I promised I
wouldn't tell.
Joy
Charley
> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> > On 2010-01-07 14:52:57 +0000, Gordon H
>
> >> In message <4b451df8$0$31307$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy
> >> <toas...@real-me.net> writes
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So this entire episode was set up with your co-operation.
Enjoy the results.
Charlie
Marsha
Marsha
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Marsha
on another group that Joy knew who did it was part of the whole thing.news:7qn3i2...@mid.individual.net...
> On 2010-01-07 21:00:08 +0000, "Marsha" <mhuc...@bellsouth.net> said:
>
>> Then it should end the conversation
>
> Sacha
>
countymayo.j
> Why? Why do we need to go over and over on it? Besides Charlie already wrote
> on another group that Joy knew who did it was part of the whole thing."Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> news:7qn3i2...@mid.individual.net...
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>
> >> Then it should end the conversation
>
> > Hardly. It makes it much, much worse.
>
> >>news:4b463e7b$0$19463$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...
> >>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:7qmdb0...@mid.individual.net...
> >>>> On 2010-01-07 14:52:57 +0000, Gordon H
>
> >>>>> In message <4b451df8$0$31307$bd467...@news.dslextreme.com>, Joy
I am not well but that doesn't make me blind. I haven't followed all
of this but I know who posted Charlie's post from sixty plus to the
Louis group. Why he did it, I don't understand, or maybe I do as he
also tried to cause trouble in other areas.
What should be foremost in our minds is that Joy didn't lie, she did
see a post "attributed" to Charlie on the Louis L group, although,
Charlie did not post it. Therefore Charlie was annoyed because he was
accused of posting it.
What we should be concerned about is the motive of the anon causing
trouble? Why? Hasn't life taught him anything, why isn't he content,
why did he do this in such a cowardly way? I will not name him, no
matter how much I am pushed to do so, I will let him ask for
understanding.
With regard to Charlie, some of you push his buttons, knowing his
Achilles tendon, why do you do it, you don't know his life and the
awful pressure he is under. However, I DO NOT excuse Charlie's attack
on Joy, she deserves better, she is my friend and hopefully after
this, she and Charlie will realise they have both been used to create
trouble on group.
I'm bowing out of this thread now, not because I can't take the heat,
simply because the person who sought to cause trouble has done so,
adding to this thread will not help matters, by any of you here.
I hope you feel proud of yourself, weak person who did this, of
course I know who you are, remember the awful email you sent me? I
still have it and shared it with another. Look after yourself won't
you, remember about God paying his debts...
Marsha
not in your group but it was said.news:7qn62m...@mid.individual.net...
> On 2010-01-07 22:02:11 +0000, "Marsha" <mhuc...@bellsouth.net> said:
>
>> Why? Why do we need to go over and over on it? Besides Charlie already
>> wrote
>> on another group that Joy knew who did it was part of the whole thing.
>
> her, don't you think? The intention was to make trouble, use Charlie, use
> Joy and discredit abll. By any standards that's filthy behaviour by a
> dirty sneaky coward. So let's see him stand up and apologise for it, so
> we all know who to look out for in future, just in case he takes it into
> his head to try the same tactics again.
> Sacha
Graham
"Janet Baraclough" <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> schreef in bericht
news:3130303039303...@zetnet.co.uk...
> The person who posted quoting Charlie's asp posts to abll, left in
> his own newsreader's attribution line for Charlie, like this
>
> schreef in bericht news:hffk69$aek$1...@aioe.org...
>
> schreef in bericht is Dutch ( "wrote in this message").
>
> So far as I am aware Graham is the only current poster to both asp
> and abll, who posts from Holland, and whose quote attributions say
> "schreef in bericht"
>
>
> Janet
Yes I remember thinking that last month, [schreef in bericht ] , that
appears on all my replies. I thought well they must know it is me now, in
fact when Charlie thanked me politely twice, I was almost certain of it.
G.
Joan F (MI)
group at the time of the posting there would be no way to foresee her
involvement. And the discrediting was not of abll, which is a newsgorup not
a person, but of Charlie who uttered the filthy insults. If I were to do
something like that my intention would be to reveal to the Charlie lovers
there just what kind of sweet fellow they swoon over.
Graham
"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> schreef in bericht
news:7qnbpv...@mid.individual.net...
> Graham seems to specialise in causing trouble for others and sliding away
> into the undergrowth. It's hardly the first time! It never occurred to me
> that Joy had lied but we did think she was wrong, so in one sense she was
> and in another, she wasn't. Graham did his work very well, dropping
> Charlie right in it as a disrupter of abll while all the time, that was
> Graham's idea while hiding behind a pseudonym . What a sweetheart. Fling
> the crap around and leave others to suffer for it while lapping up the "oh
> poor Graham with a bad back" huggy-wuggy, kissy-wissy stuff.
>
> At least it's cleared up now because Graham has been forced into the open,
> having used both Joy and Charlie to his own ends. Those of us who post at
> abll now know this was an attempt to spoil that group and who to thank for
> it. <snip>--
> Sacha
>
The only relevence my bad back had to play in this, as the original post was
a month ago, is that I haven't been so attent to the discussion these last
couple of days, a situation I attempted to rectify straight away. As you and
all your gang said there had never been such a post the penny didn't drop. I
won't mention my kissy-wissy back again, how thoughtless of me, so I seem to
specialise in causing trouble for others and sliding away into the
undergrowth. Oh well, looks like I am a truly bad sort, whereas you madam
are always perfect. Don't you think a short post a month ago that didn't
exist for you till I pointed it out this morning, wanting to spoil your
group is a little OTT.
Graham
Marsha
you accuse people of when you do the same. Lets be fair about this.news:7qndi5...@mid.individual.net...
> about the damage you do to others. You're an utter shit, Graham and this
> is not the first time you've behaved like this and you know it. I neither
> know nor care, what does or doesn't happen to you or all those rushing to
> your aid lest they be tarred with the same brush! You're as bad as each
> other - get over it.
> --
> Sacha
>
Graham
> On 2010-01-08 00:37:08 +0000, "Graham" <j.hu...@chello.nl> said:
>
>>
> about the damage you do to others. You're an utter shit, Graham and this
> is not the first time you've behaved like this and you know it. I neither
> know nor care, what does or doesn't happen to you or all those rushing to
> your aid lest they be tarred with the same brush! You're as bad as each
> other - get over it.
> --
> Sacha
Don't believe everything you hear about me, I agree I am no saint but......
anyway you have found a way to disrupt this peaceful group again, unlike you
I will and have taken responsibility for my mistake, so as Joy said it is
now done. I have a feeling the mails and secret posts will be flying as I
speak and graham the serpent may loose some friends, ok I was daft, but I am
at least a polite serpent.
Goodnight
Cloggie the serpent.
Charlie
> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> schreef in berichtnews:7qndi5...@mid.individual.net...
>
> - Show quoted text -
You most certainly not polite. You are dispicable and slimey and
***alone***. You have a life no sane person would want. You hurt your
back and you are A L O N E...
Your only enjoyment in life is causing problems for happy people.
There are few people happier than Sacha. And you just can't stand that
can you, weakling?
Charlie
Charlie
>
> - Show quoted text -
Do you ever remember me doing anything sneaky and snake like Marsha?
You hate my guts, but you know well why, and when I do something. You
can keep at me all the time because I don't run and hide, I stand and
take your nastiness. Constantly.
Charlie
Jean B.
> How do you know what the intention was? Since Joy was not posting in that
> group at the time of the posting there would be no way to foresee her
> involvement. And the discrediting was not of abll, which is a newsgorup not
> a person, but of Charlie who uttered the filthy insults. If I were to do
> something like that my intention would be to reveal to the Charlie lovers
> there just what kind of sweet fellow they swoon over.
They already must know, Joan. Just they choose to ignore
it/excuse it for some odd reason.
--
Jean B.
Jean B.
> Oh Sacha so wrong don't you and others do the same with Charlie? Watch what
> you accuse people of when you do the same. Lets be fair about this.
I agree. And I don't think Graham has a habit of making such
posts or causing trouble. Charlie, however, is extremely nasty
and crude on a regular basis.
--
Jean B.
Charlie
> Janet Baraclough <janet.and.j...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > The message <7qn62mF8t...@mid.individual.net>
> > from Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> contains these words:
> > > On 2010-01-07 22:02:11 +0000, "Marsha" <mhuck...@bellsouth.net> said:
> > > > Why? Why do we need to go over and over on it? Besides Charlie
> > > > already wrote on another group that Joy knew who did it
> > > > was part of the whole thing.
> > > he's dug for her, don't you think?
> > hysterical accusations of the wrong person.
>
> Or, rather, "people"? Not only did she accuse Gordon, she also
> suspected Bobbie of having posted Charlie's outburst to abll, didn't she?
>
> --
> AnneJ
Yes your sleazy little fuck face Graham was pretty slick and there was
some guessing. So what!
Charlie
Lonestar
>> On 2010-01-06 23:31:05 +0000, "Joy" <toa...@real-me.net> said:
>>
>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> On 2010-01-06 00:18:02 +0000, "Joy" <toa...@real-me.net> said:
>>>>
>>>>> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> On 2010-01-05 11:01:04 +0000, toci <gin...@yahoo.com> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 4:28 am, Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2010-01-04 16:08:19 +0000, Charlie <cbauwi...@yahoo.com> said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Produce a cut and paste copy of the thing I said which you have now
>>>>>>>>> referred to me at least twice that I know of. I have always dealt
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> you openly and directly, you may not have liked what I said, but I
>>>>>>>>> take responsibility for what I say. DO YOU?
>>>>>>>>> These are your words:
>>>>>>>>> "I browsed there once, just to see what sort of things were posted.
>>>>>>>>> One of the first things I saw was a nasty homophobic rant by no
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> than Charlie"
>>>>>>>>> Please tell your friends here whether I asked that you be included
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the ABLL group or resisted it.
>>>>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>>>> Joy, I must say that I don't recall any such thing from Charlie.
>>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>>> just not something that happens in that group. I don't think there's
>>>>>>>> been one cross word from anyone about anything. Perhaps you've
>>>>>>>> muddled
>>>>>>>> the groups, or perhaps the posters?
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sacha- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>> did do a most revolting anti-homosexual screed here, bizarrely naming
>>>>>>> Gordon as a "queer." And right now he's doing an anti-homosexual
>>>>>>> riff
>>>>>>> over on 50+friends. I don't know how to cut-and-paste, but you can
>>>>>>> find it if you try. Toci
>>>>>> I don't usually bother to go hunting around groups, to be honest.
>>>>>> There's
>>>>>> enough going on in the ones I do follow regularly! But Joy's reason
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> not posting to the other group was offence she'd taken at something
>>>>>> Charlie said there and I really don't think he's ever done such a
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>> I think it matters because of course, it affects all of us and the
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> person who can clear it up is Joy. Perhaps she's seen something she
>>>>>> objects to on 50+friends but what I saw of that group in the past, I
>>>>>> doubt
>>>>>> Charlie's the only one in the frame!
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sacha
>>>>> There are only two or three who have gotten that nasty about
>>>>> homosexuals
>>>>> on
>>>>> any of the newsgroups, and Charlie is most definitely one of them. If
>>>>> you
>>>>> don't think Charlie has ever done such a thing, you haven't been
>>>>> reading
>>>>> all
>>>>> his posts. It has happened on afpf, and here too, I believe. I know I
>>>>> saw
>>>>> that post on the louis lamour group, the one and only time I looked at
>>>>> that
>>>>> group. That is the reason I unsubscribed immediately. However, I
>>>>> couldn't
>>>>> find it when I hunted after it was questioned. I dont' remember the
>>>>> thread
>>>>> title, or I'd do a search.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joy
>>>> I didn't say any of that, Joy. I was referring only to abll.
>>>> I think that if you're going to accuse Charlie of doing something you
>>>> think detrimental to a group several of us post to, you would be fair in
>>>> finding the post and giving it with the headers. A Google search should
>>>> do that for you and after all, it's not as if you have to go back and
>>>> search a very long time! None of us on abll can recall any such post
>>>> from
>>>> Charlie. What he does on other groups, it's up to those groups to
>>>> police
>>>> if they want to do so. But it does strike me as very unfair that you
>>>> post
>>>> this accusation against Charlie and abll on this group and go on posting
>>>> here (which has a small number of very vicious, angry and wounding
>>>> people
>>>> here who tore the place apart) while saying that abll is beneath you
>>>> because it tolerates anti-gay (or other) posts. It gives the impression
>>>> that on here, insulting and cruel posts to older women, or certain
>>>> members
>>>> being pounced on and treated with derision and contempt the second they
>>>> post, are allowable. None of us at abll have seen or remember any such
>>>> post of that type from Charlie or anyone else. I think you must be
>>>> mistaken and as I've always thought of you as a fair and even-handed
>>>> person, it would be nice if you could say that.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sacha
>>> All I can say, and still be honest, is that I know I saw the post an
>>> abll.
>>> I thought Charlie made it. There is a possibility that it was made by
>>> someone else. If so, I'm sorry I said it was from him.
>> Well - taking a deep breath - none of us who now post and read abll
>> regularly have any recollection of such a post from anyone. abll's whole
>> purpose is to avoid what goes on here at times. You can't find the post
>> and now you're not sure it was Charlie who made it. Bit of a sorry mess,
>> really. If you and Charlie can put it behind you, then perhaps all of us
>> can move on but I really do want to say that abll just doesn't 'do' that
>> kind of thing. Its rebirth came about for that very reason. Perhaps we
>> can just try to get past this and put it down to diverging opinions -
>> that'll be a change for newsgroups! - and misunderstandings.
>>> I didn't mean to give the impression that the newsgroup was beneath me
>>> because of that post. I resent, and have objected to, any posts of the
>>> nature you mention. I lost a good friend by making such an objection. I
>>> stay with this, and two other newsgroups, because, although I deplore the
>>> nastiness, there are people who post here (and there) whom I like.
>>> However,
>>> I do not want to add another newsgroup where the same sort of thing goes
>>> on.
>>>
>>> I certainly had no idea this would be such a big deal, although I
>>> shouldn't
>>> be surprised, considering the way some people keep dragging up old
>>> grudges.
>> It's not an old grudge, Joy. It's a new accusation that appears not to be
>> factual and it affects all of us at abll because that isn't what we want
>> the group to be like and it isn't. It's friendly and chatty and not
>> diminishing or unkind.
>>> I am very sorry that people are upset by what I said. I realize that it
>>> would have been better if I'd kept quiet about it. However, I can't deny
>>> what I know I saw, no matter how many people tell me they didn't see it.
>>>
>>> Obviously, after all this fuss, there would be no point in my trying that
>>> newsgroup again, because I wouldn't be welcome there.
>>>
>>> Joy
>> I can only speak for myself but I'd be surprised if you're not *always*
>> welcome there. I know how well liked you are. We can all fall out with
>> friends from time to time and if they're good friends, others will try to
>> mend the situation. If I'm wrong, others will speedily correct me, I'm
>> quite certain!
>> --
>> Sacha
>
> Thank you, Sacha. At some point in the future, I may try it again.
>
> Joy
I think you would enjoy the group.
Robert
Gordon H
<janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> writes
>
> The person who posted quoting Charlie's asp posts to abll, left in
>his own newsreader's attribution line for Charlie, like this
>
> schreef in bericht news:hffk69$aek$1...@aioe.org...
>
> schreef in bericht is Dutch ( "wrote in this message").
>
> So far as I am aware Graham is the only current poster to both asp
>and abll, who posts from Holland, and whose quote attributions say
>"schreef in bericht"
>
> Janet
Good grief! Are they all so dumb in abll that they didn't suss that
out?
LOL!
--
Gordon H
Remove "invalid" to reply
Gordon H
<toa...@real-me.net> writes
>"Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> wrote
>>
>> Do you know, Gordon, you're beginning to look suspiciously like the person
>> who used an assumed name to abll to tar the whole group.
>
>no idea what they are talking about. I know who it was, but I promised I
>wouldn't tell.
>
>Joy
>
intellect that she suggests it might be me!
Gordon H
>> person who used an assumed name to abll to tar the whole group.
>
>another group, and they were posted to and about Gordon.
> It would be surprising if Gordon revived them because that would
>gratify their abusive author.
>
I'm sure that you realise why I don't engage in back-and-forth arguments
with Sacha. They just go on forever...
I am satisfied that the decent people in the group, the ones I consider
to be my Internet friends, are aware that Charlie was the originator of
the offensive post aimed at me.
If anyone considers him to be an acceptable acquaintance, I have nothing
further to say to them, in fact, that is why I consigned Jingles to my
kill file.
FarmI
> "Sacha" <sa...@nowhere.com> schreef in bericht
>> Graham seems to specialise in causing trouble for others and sliding away
LOL. It's amazing how fast she can go from denying knowledge of any such
post with Charlie's name attached to it, to now knowing all the time that
there was a trouble maker on the loose intent on destroying Louis Land.
Jean B.
> To some people (male and female) filthy verbal abuse is associated
> with sexual excitement and gratification.
> Janet
Oh? That concept is alien to me. And I'm glad it is!
--
Jean B.
Gordon H
<a...@itshall.be.invalid> writes
anyone from asp disrupting abll in the way some of "them" have done
here.
Except Graham of course, he's the new Devil.
Jean B.
> I glanced it there today to re-assess my kill rules and I don't see
> anyone from asp disrupting abll in the way some of "them" have done here.
That's part of the point, isn't it? I took a look and was
astonished by the blindness and hypocrisy. While I may not KF
everyone who posts there, I sure will KF anyone who comes here to
disrupt things and then just speaks of asp with derision etc.
Also, surely they must understand that any of us could go post on
abll if we chose to and that we have simply decided not to do so.
>
> Except Graham of course, he's the new Devil.
--
Jean B.
Lonestar
> If anyone considers him to be an acceptable acquaintance, I have nothing
> further to say to them, in fact, that is why I consigned Jingles to my
> kill file.
LOL!!! Have you purchased an external drive to hold all of your "kill"
files?
Robert(Tx)
Gordon H
>from "FarmI" <ask@itshall be given> contains these words:
>
>> LOL. It's amazing how fast she can go from denying knowledge of any such
>> post with Charlie's name attached to it, to now knowing all the time that
>> there was a trouble maker on the loose intent on destroying Louis Land.
>
>google pages of archived posting history in abll proves otherwise,
> he was posting regularly under his own ID from December 15th to
>January 7th.
>
> Sacha herself, replied to him; perfectly friendly. So did Jingles,
>Donna. Charlie, Peaches, and Martin.
> Two abll posters, Graham and Charlie, had a go in abll, using
>techniques BOTH of them have used before; faked ID's and posts dragged
>from elsewhere.
> That happened just days before Graham was happily chatting in abll with
>multiple posters .
>
> This whole fantasy by Sacha that Graham is not an abll poster but an
>attacker from asp, is intentional malicious garbage intended to smear
>this group.
> I note, that Graham has colluded with that, and carefully avoided
>telling asp what his real position is in abll.
>
> Janet
>
Need I point out the danger implicit in having one foot in each of two
boats? You are likely to rock the boats and/or finish up tipping
everyone into the water.
I was taught to step firmly and decisively into the centre of the boat,
and once had to do so when half a mile from shore.
Bobbie's granddaughters will know that rule. ;-)
Gordon H
>> know very well we don't condone Charlie's language but you're working
>> awfully hard to make everyone think otherwise, hence that 'judged by
>> association' remark. Interesting. And my goodness, aren't you
>> enjoying trying to get the spotlight onto YOU. For someone who doesn't
>> want anything to do with Charlie, you must have talked about him about
>> half a dozen times today, in relation to yourself. This does seem not
>> only a trifle hypocritical but also somewhat over-strenuous in terms of
>> the effort made to badmouth abll. Such a shame for you and yours that
>> that group gets along very happily.
>
> Evidently not. We now know that the offence was sneakily committed by
>a regular poster to abll, Graham.
> He has 2 pages of archived googled history there under his own ID,
>including friendly chat in abll with you.
> One of your own did the dirty in abll, against one of your own.
>
> Janet
I will accept a public apology from Sacha as and when proffered, to
assuage her acute embarrassment...
Marsha
and go on a rampage.
"Charlie" <cbau...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
IlIlIiillIl.
> Charlie when will you learn, I hate no one.It isn't worth my time to hate
> and go on a rampage.
>
>
> Do you ever remember me doing anything sneaky and snake like Marsha?
> You hate my guts, but you know well why, and when I do something. You
> can keep at me all the time because I don't run and hide, I stand and
> take your nastiness. Constantly.
>
> Charlie
Thats good. You have me more solidly than ever, here.
Smoooooch.
Charlie
Graham
"Janet Baraclough" <janet.a...@zetnet.co.uk> schreef in bericht
news:3130303039303...@zetnet.co.uk...
> The message <7qmdb0...@mid.individual.net>
> from Sacha <sa...@nowhere.com> contains these words
>
> you're beginning to look suspiciously like the
>> person who used an assumed name to abll to tar the whole group. You
>> know very well we don't condone Charlie's language but you're working
>> awfully hard to make everyone think otherwise, hence that 'judged by
>> association' remark. Interesting. And my goodness, aren't you
>> enjoying trying to get the spotlight onto YOU. For someone who doesn't
>> want anything to do with Charlie, you must have talked about him about
>> half a dozen times today, in relation to yourself. This does seem not
>> only a trifle hypocritical but also somewhat over-strenuous in terms of
>> the effort made to badmouth abll. Such a shame for you and yours that
>> that group gets along very happily.
>
> Evidently not. We now know that the offence was sneakily committed by
> a regular poster to abll, Graham.
> He has 2 pages of archived googled history there under his own ID,
> including friendly chat in abll with you.
> One of your own did the dirty in abll, against one of your own.
>
>
>
> Janet
>
>
friends here, an advice she repeated when I first posted, not a great start.
In all I posted 13 times to abll, mainly trying to chat with old friends
like Texgal, I was initially welcomed by some old friends, then more or
less ignored, I guess the signal went out. My initial post was to a man
Called Martin who lives here in Holland and was discussing the Friesian
weather, I thought it would be nice to get to know him, again the jungle
telegraph went to work and after two posts he ignored me. I very much doubt
anyone there would consider me one of their own. But being an open group I
saw no harm. Oh one correction I posted twice as ''geeze on asp'', so in
total 15. I won't be posting there again. I doubt I will be posting anywhere
much for a while, not much fun anymore.
Graham
Still bedridden.
IlIlIiillIl.
> "Janet Baraclough" <janet.and.j...@zetnet.co.uk> schreef in berichtnews:3130303039303...@zetnet.co.uk...
>
>
>
> > The message <7qmdb0Fbs...@mid.individual.net>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes you are that way. Cause an enormous disruption then run and hide.
You will surface again and I'll not forget.
You miserable piece of shit.
Charlie
Bobbie
Too right.
I admit I would have liked to see Graham offer an apology for not making
it clear , when accusations were flying that you and I were *not*
responsible for the offending reposts.
How are you today m'dear, how is the cough? I did venture out into the
lane and didn't end up in the ditch, but I had a couple of scary moments
on the hill on Magna Road...and Tescos was absolutely packed.
Bobbie
Bobbie
Me too, that will made the second time she will have to apologise to me
for totally unfounded accusations.. I wouldn't count on it though Gordon.
Bobbie
Gordon H
<littlehom...@lovenest.net> writes
>Gordon H wrote:
>> I was taught to step firmly and decisively into the centre of the
>>boat, and once had to do so when half a mile from shore.
>> Bobbie's granddaughters will know that rule. ;-)
>
>Too right.
>I admit I would have liked to see Graham offer an apology for not
>making it clear , when accusations were flying that you and I were
>*not* responsible for the offending reposts.
>How are you today m'dear, how is the cough?
How did you know I have a cough? ;-)
It comes and goes, especially if I walk into a cold room, yet when I'm
out walking it just disappears.
I think there is congestion due to shallow breathing sometimes, and the
pipes don't get cleared. Exercise cures it!
> I did venture out into the lane and didn't end up in the ditch, but I
>had a couple of scary moments on the hill on Magna Road...and Tescos
>was absolutely packed.
>
>Bobbie
I haven't been out today. I tried to locate some rock salt for
Mavis's parking area today, but everywhere seems to be sold out.
Now it's time to warm up the rest of the stew I made yesterday, and have
it with some mash, I think.
FarmI
> In message <Rdadnb06kokLt9rW...@westnet.com.au>, FarmI
>>LOL. It's amazing how fast she can go from denying knowledge of any such
>>post with Charlie's name attached to it, to now knowing all the time that
>>there was a trouble maker on the loose intent on destroying Louis Land.
>>
> I glanced it there today to re-assess my kill rules and I don't see anyone
> from asp disrupting abll in the way some of "them" have done here.
No. Drama queens need a constant feeding. It really must have been very
galling for them to notice precisely how much we all missed their presence
here after they threw their hissy fit and flounced out of here. It's no
surprise to see them back here and flouncing all over again and claiming
never to have done a flounce out of here in the first place.
FarmI
news:7qorje...@mid.individual.net...
:-)) You haven't been watching enough mucky TV.
FarmI
> I was advised by Gin by mail not to post at abll because I had too many
> friends here, an advice she repeated when I first posted, not a great
> start.
Hmmm. Sounds like she's a control freak who has trouble understanding how
usenet works.
> In all I posted 13 times to abll, mainly trying to chat with old friends
> like Texgal, I was initially welcomed by some old friends, then more or
> less ignored, I guess the signal went out. My initial post was to a man
> Called Martin who lives here in Holland and was discussing the Friesian
> weather, I thought it would be nice to get to know him, again the jungle
> telegraph went to work and after two posts he ignored me. I very much
> doubt anyone there would consider me one of their own.
Herd behaviour Graham. The bell wether seemingly has determined the
direction so the rest of the herd will follow. Baaaaaaaaaaa
But being an open group I
> saw no harm. Oh one correction I posted twice as ''geeze on asp'', so in
> total 15. I won't be posting there again. I doubt I will be posting
> anywhere much for a while, not much fun anymore.
> Graham
> Still bedridden.
:-((( Nor much fun at all. At least you can be warm and cosy in bed.