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Leonardo Been

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Jan 2, 2009, 5:00:05 AM1/2/09
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Do they really know 'Scientology,' as they claim they do?

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Questions to test the "experts" on 'Scientology' and on 'Scientology'
front groups

2 January 2009
{HRI note 20090102}


[post]
Why is it, that the FRAUD part of 'Scientology,' DOES work so well?

'

[post]
Why is it, that any 'Scientologist' - like Tom Cruise, but also l. ron
hubbard himself - is believing or made himself believe, that he "can
act," and "can successfully BE anyone," and, "can play ANY part?"

'

[post]
Which 'Misunderstood Words' in 'Scientology' "Study Technology," are
pupils or students - forced to use it - always demanded TO PASS BY?

('Scientology' is a front group for l. ron hubbard; 'ABLE,'
'APPLIED SCHOLASTICS' are "Study Technology" front groups for
'Scientology.')

'

[post]
Where and how does 'Scientology' advise, to 'de-populate' a planet
(to remove all human, animal and vegetable life of a planet)?

Why is it all right for a 'Scientologist' to blow up ANY planet "just
for fun," or also out of Envy and Hate - and what most senior or
highest DOCTRINE ('Factor') of 'Scientology,' actually demands AND
justifies this?

'

'

Mind well, that I do know the answers, but the "experts" on, or the
"critics" of 'Scientology' seem to be very far from forthcoming, in
(what they so loudly claim are) their professed duties.

KNT hrp&p
Copyright 2009 - conditions as usual ('learnware')

_________
Reference:

'The Evil "critics" do NOT weaken 'Scientology,' but Fight for
Evil BELIEFS and AGAINST the Rational Truth'
(encloses {HRI 20080918-V1.5} )
{note 20081207-v3}
(7 December 2008 - version 3 on 15 Dec 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/cc9e0dc0121eb36c

Honest Abe

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Jan 2, 2009, 3:19:03 PM1/2/09
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"Leonardo Been" <leonar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3ccf398c-eaaa-4b4d...@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> Do they really know 'Scientology,' as they claim they do?
>
> Questions to test the "experts" on 'Scientology' and on 'Scientology'
> front groups
>
> 2 January 2009
> {HRI note 20090102}
>
> [post]
> Why is it, that the FRAUD part of 'Scientology,' DOES work so well?

L Ron Hubbard was a brilliant con-artist. He took most of Dianetics (the
psychotherapy techniques that constitute just about the only good thing in
$cientology) from the work of psychologists Freud and Korzybski, and he used
it to develop a coterie of fanatical followers. He used his knowledge of the
human mind and its vulnerabilities to develop a sophisticated methodology to
separate followers from their money, regardless of whether or not they
received the promised results of Dianetics. The claims for it were
exaggerated, so many did not.

> [post]
> Why is it, that any 'Scientologist' - like Tom Cruise, but also l. ron
> hubbard himself - is believing or made himself believe, that he "can
> act," and "can successfully BE anyone," and, "can play ANY part?"

Suckers and fanatics will believe almost anything their "guru" tells them.
Gurus tell their suckers what they want to hear. At a price, of course.

> [post]
> Where and how does 'Scientology' advise, to 'de-populate' a planet
> (to remove all human, animal and vegetable life of a planet)?

Hubbard was a sci-fi writer.

> Why is it all right for a 'Scientologist' to blow up ANY planet "just
> for fun," or also out of Envy and Hate - and what most senior or
> highest DOCTRINE ('Factor') of 'Scientology,' actually demands AND
> justifies this?

These fantasies of Godlike powers show how mentally screwed up one can get
in cults like this.


Albert van der Horst

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Jan 3, 2009, 11:29:40 AM1/3/09
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In article <XEu7l.251250$Mh5....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,

Honest Abe <a...@def.com> wrote:
>"Leonardo Been" <leonar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:3ccf398c-eaaa-4b4d...@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> Do they really know 'Scientology,' as they claim they do?
>>
>> Questions to test the "experts" on 'Scientology' and on 'Scientology'
>> front groups
>>
>> 2 January 2009
>> {HRI note 20090102}
>>
>> [post]
>> Why is it, that the FRAUD part of 'Scientology,' DOES work so well?
>
>L Ron Hubbard was a brilliant con-artist. He took most of Dianetics (the
>psychotherapy techniques that constitute just about the only good thing in
>$cientology) from the work of psychologists Freud and Korzybski, and he used
>it to develop a coterie of fanatical followers. He used his knowledge of the
>human mind and its vulnerabilities to develop a sophisticated methodology to
>separate followers from their money, regardless of whether or not they
>received the promised results of Dianetics. The claims for it were
>exaggerated, so many did not.
>

His prime motivation was probably an unending supply of willing
females. This and having a fanatic army on the conquest seems to be
the most occuring reasons for starting a religion. See the Farao's,
Roman emperors, Mohammed, John Smith, Harakrishna.
Jesus seems to be an exception to the rule, but beware. There is no
reliable history about his sex-life.

Groetjes Albert
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george

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Jan 3, 2009, 3:25:24 PM1/3/09
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On Jan 3, 9:19 am, "Honest Abe" <a...@def.com> wrote:

> Hubbard was a sci-fi writer.

Yup.
And in the early SF magazines that took and published his stories you
can see the advent of his 'machine', the volcanoes stuffed with
intergalactic 'souls' and the general feel of Scientology.
It comes down to where the sad, the mad and the bad believe, no matter
how stupid it sounds, no matter how it harms or affects families they
'believe'.
Scientology is a mainline Heavens Gate

Flas...@live.com

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Jan 3, 2009, 8:54:33 PM1/3/09
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On Jan 3, 3:25 pm, george <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
>
> Yup.
> And in the early SF magazines that took and published his stories you
> can see the advent of his 'machine', the volcanoes stuffed with
> intergalactic 'souls' and the general feel of Scientology.
> It comes down to where the sad, the mad and the bad believe, no matter
> how stupid it sounds, no matter how it harms or affects families they
> 'believe'.
> Scientology is a mainline Heavens Gate

SF magazines wouldn't do much to distinguish him -- anyone,
relatively, can write for them. I mean, I've seen some worse for the
weird, concerning no matter and whatever a nebulous nature of award
flavors ceremoniously are awarded with its echelons, for what probably
is taken best seriously with a grain of salt;-- seriously, that's
inclusive of some very, very whacked out, out-of-mind, off-worldly
topics you're proposing, which might inculcate itself apart any
otherwise sensible interest, in day-to-day affairs of writers, not of
the sci-fi genre.

So what's that got to do with a zillion people that up and leave poor
situations, like the street corners or drugs they're living, apart odd
notables Cruise and Travolta, and hustle their butts, as best
possible, according to a dogmatic regime Scientolists adovocate...I
haven't a friggin' clue. I will say I have made friends variously
with Scientologists, upon an individualistic level, superficially
within limitations and qualifications of a non-Scientolgist, which I
am, just as I've made friends among a rank-&-file of sci-fi writers
writing pulp...point being, no matter whatever else reality is, would
also be of a perspective to say what it is not, permitted exceptions
being within any rules of certitude.

Leonardo Been

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The Answers to 'Questions to test the "experts" on 'Scientology' and
on 'Scientology' front groups'

2 January 2009
{HRI note 20090102-A}

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17 Feb 2009)


[post]
Why is it, that the FRAUD part of 'Scientology,' DOES work so well?

It is the only thing, that l. ron hubbard CAN do well, and the
only thing that he actually wants to do, and the only thing he
enjoys doing:

To deceive, manipulate and dominate people.

He is aided in that by the medical profession,
fighting as that "science" does most fiercely,
to establish the belief,

that "Evil does not exist, or else and in any case,
is not to be taken into account for the purpose of
restoring or protecting health,"

and thus they create an endless stream of more
and more "incurable diseases and disorders,"

in order to fatten their ill-begotten incomes.

'

Further about the demon, l, ron hubbard - if he would NOT
deceive, manipulate and dominate people, then all people
would only hate him and kick him out.

It is thus for him - to "survive" - of the utmost
"NECESSITY," to deceive, to manipulate and to dominate
ALL people,

preferably totally, and forever.

And he claims, that your only motive for living, is
"to survive."

My motive for living, however, is TO ENJOY
LIFE,

and to share that Joy with others, and
to participate in the Joy of Life from others.

But demons see that quite differently:

"People can be forced to do and to believe anything,
and they won't protest, as long as you threaten
their survival - BECAUSE they rather want to
survive."

'

Truth being absolute, a demon has really only two choices:

1. To be openly Evil and Ugly, which does not make him or
her too many friends, of course.

2. To pretend to be "normal" and to deceive and to manipulate
people, to destroy their ability to perceive and think.

'

'

[post]
Why is it, that any 'Scientologist' - like Tom Cruise, but also l. ron
hubbard himself - is believing or made himself believe, that he "can
act," and "can successfully BE anyone," and, "can play ANY part?"


It is the cherished, and forcefully promoted belief by any
demon, that

"absolute truth does not exist," and so, "one can be anyone one
pleases, as long as one decides it strongly enough and tells
enough lies to hide the absolute truth:"

"Whatever is true for you is true, for you."

'

Apart from that, demons are Life Energy Vampires, so they smash
away the Energy of those 'they want to be and look and act and
feel like,'

and so you see many demonic creatures who seem "normal,"
"successful," "talented," "admired," "self-confident,"
etc..

'

'

[post]
Which 'Misunderstood Words' in 'Scientology' "Study Technology," are
pupils or students - forced to use it - always demanded TO PASS BY?

('Scientology' is a front group for l. ron hubbard; 'ABLE,'
'APPLIED SCHOLASTICS' are "Study Technology" front groups for
'Scientology.')

The demon, l. ron hubbard, wrote, that "you must find and clear
up all 'misunderstood words'," and then he developed methods of
"Word Clearing:"

He made very sure, thereby, that PEOPLE WILL NEVER CHECK HIS
FALSE DEFINITIONS, because "they (students) have cleared up all
the words of the definitions given, and they have cleared the
concept."

Thus, the word 'Scientology' does NOT MEAN what the demon,
l. ron hubbard, demands "it means" ("the science of
knowing how to know"),

but it DOES mean:

'Scientology is the method of making people NEVER find out
or know, those things they SHOULD know.'

In other words: The very OPPOSITE of the
"definition" given by the demon.

'

[post]
Where and how does 'Scientology' advise, to 'de-populate' a planet
(to remove all human, animal and vegetable life of a planet)?

This is "taught" by the demon, by l. ron hubbard,
to all Scientologists, in a "lecture" by him, called

"The Free Being" - which, a "free being," is described by the
demon, by l. ron hubbard, as being

in fact some Evil individual without any restraint, who thinks
people are just things to play with, and who discards and
destroys people at will,

and who is "the ideal - and for Scientologists to work
towards."

'

Why is it all right for a 'Scientologist' to blow up ANY planet "just
for fun," or also out of Envy and Hate - and what most senior or
highest DOCTRINE ('Factor') of 'Scientology,' actually demands AND
justifies this?

The demon claims as the "senior datum:"

"The highest purpose in the Universe, is the creation of an
effect."

That is the typical viewpoint of a demon or of a demonic
creature.

And many such "viewpoints" are added, by the demon, by
l. ron hubbard, as "senior data about life." Like:

"Beauty and Ugliness are just a matter of opinion."

Only a demon wants that to be so.

'


'

Mind you, while I do know the answers, the "experts" or the "critics"
of 'Scientology,' do appear to be very far from forthcoming,

in (what they so loudly claim, are) their professed duties.

'

Never have they voiced either, WHAT THERAPY any escaped
'Scientologist' SHOULD have:

A type of therapy (NOT a "whatever is true for you"
type of "therapy," but actual therapy) based on the
simple observation, that Truth Is Absolute.

Indeed, if someone can not see, feel or sense, or come to the
conclusion, that l. ron hubbard IS a demon, then there is
something very, very wrong with that someone.

Facing the Ugliness of the demon l. ron hubbard - truth
being absolute - is TREMENDOUSLY beneficial for anyone's
life.

KNT hrp&p

__________
References:

'The Evil "critics" do NOT weaken 'Scientology,' but Fight for
Evil BELIEFS and AGAINST the Rational Truth'
(encloses {HRI 20080918-V1.5} )
{note 20081207-v3}
(7 December 2008 - version 3 on 15 Dec 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/cc9e0dc0121eb36c


'Evil Creatures Fight for Evil BELIEFS, versus the Rational
Truth'
{HRI 20080918-V1.5}
(18 September 2008 - Version 1.5 on 26 Oct 2008)
http://groups.google.com/group/Koos-Nolst-Trenite/msg/5c15ebad6ee1d533

(nn) 'Questions to test the "experts" on 'Scientology' and on
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{HRI note 20090102}
(2 January 2009)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.tv/msg/c54344d8adc673de
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism/msg/fada5bcc04de2b3c

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