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> Peter Choi <shin...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > Who's good at stocktrading, mutual funding and real estate marketting?
> > Let's rule out guys like Donald Trump.
>
> David Bowie
> Gabe Kaplan
Madonna
How about Arnold Schwarzenegger? Except for the whole
"Planet Hollywood" thing...
mike
Doesn't Bob Hope own most of Palm Springs?
Scott
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He was worth $80 million a couple
of years ago.
Cary Grant--one of the first stars to
figure out the art of the back-end deal.
Mike Douglas--all those syndication
deals--way richer than Johnny Carson.
Michael Douglas--got into producing
early.
--margaret
I've got to be with him . . . on that midnight train to Georgia.
I'd rather be with him in his world . . . than without him in mine.
Gladys Knight & the Pips
Bob Hope
Art Linkletter
Gene Autry
Beverly Garland
And don't forget that Bing Crosby was huge into Minute Maid orange juice when
it first came onto the market right after WW II. He took stock options and made
millions.
I also heard that Jack Nicholson took a lower fee for "Batman" in exchange for
all of the merchandising rights to his Joker character. It turnd out to be a
shrewed move worth many millions.
Among the younger crop, Wayne Rogers (i.e. M*A*S*H) is a finance major from
Princeton and was a financial advisor to other actors.
: I also heard that Jack Nicholson took a lower fee for "Batman" in exchange for
: all of the merchandising rights to his Joker character. It turnd out to be a
: shrewed move worth many millions.
IIRC he took a very minimal fee in exchange for profit points...good
choice, Jack.
Another financially savvy celeb (or group of celebs); the Rolling Stones.
They have all invested their earnings very wisely and are all very
well off. Apparently part of the reason for this success is that they have
never had a manager....all the formal management of the group has been
handled by Mick Jagger, with the help of experts when they are needed. So
they have never had to pay big % of their earnings to a manager, which has
really solidified their financial position.
Cheers, Fiona
Wull
> Who's good at stocktrading, mutual funding and real estate marketting
> ?
> Let's rule out guys like Donald Trump.
>
Warren Buffett?
wg
ASGTP#063
the members of Queen, especially John Deacon.
Tupelo
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"During your times of trial and suffering, when you see only one set of
footprints, it was then that I was riding the pogostick." (Jesus on a
Pogostick, http://www.enteract.com/~guru/java/pogo.html )
Wayne Rodgers (?) of MASH fame is now a full-time financial consultant who
apparently has made himself and some cleb clients a packet. And as much as it
chills me to say it, didn't Michael Jackson make some smooth investments when
he bought all the song rights a few years back?
Beverly you should be ashamed of yourself.
andrew.
On 11 Jan 2000 21:17:23 GMT, jinx...@aol.com (Jinxblues) wrote:
>Lots of early radio people made fortunes in real estate:
>Beverly Garland
>
andrew, who could throw Myf's education away if he doesn't sell soon
I find it repulsive you choose this forum
for some personal chest-thumping.
She just wanted you to feel at home.
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In case anyone is wondering *what* this person finds repulsive, it's:
--
This person is unaware that Myf is a showbiz celeb in training.
I think it's safe to say this person is unaware of a fair number of things.
I just thought, with all the things one might possibly object strenuously
to here, this was one of the oddest choices.
Um...I think that's wrong. I believe the elder Jagger was a gym teacher.
Jagger the younger was, however, briefly a student at the LSE.
Gary Smith
:> I believe Mick's father was a professor at the London School
:> of Economics.
> Um...I think that's wrong. I believe the elder Jagger was a gym teacher.
Whoa. Mick Jagger's father was a LESBIAN??!
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He has earning power at $20 million a picture but the subject line asks for
"excellent financial skill" which is not the same thing.
David Bowie. Other pop stars sell more records and concert tickets,
but he's somehow top of the Rich Rocker Pile with $1.6 billion at
latest estimate.
(np: David Bowie - Survive)
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> Warren Buffett?
How about Bill Cosby, he's only worth about 400 million himself
I guess Oprah doesn't do a bad job fiscally as well
You are correct. Joe Jagger was a physical education teacher.
Tupelo
(font of Rolling Stones trivia)
Reets
>Sbensong <sben...@aol.comnospam> wrote in article
><20000112043829...@ng-fj1.aol.com>...
>> >I find it repulsive you choose this forum
>> >>
>> >> for some personal chest-thumping.
>> >>
>> >
>> >In case anyone is wondering *what* this person finds repulsive, it's:
>> >
>> >
>> >I'm not a celeb(outside my own mind that is) but I've ensured that
>> >Myf's university education will be fully covered for when I bought
>> >shortly after the Yahoo IPO. And now today at $400/share a stock
>> >split has been announced! Yahoo!!!!
>> >
>> >andrew, who could throw Myf's education away if he doesn't sell soon
>> >
>> >
>>
>> This person is unaware that Myf is a showbiz celeb in training.
>>
>
>I think it's safe to say this person is unaware of a fair number of things.
>
>
>I just thought, with all the things one might possibly object strenuously
>to here, this was one of the oddest choices.
I take it Aunty was terribly frustrated when he couldn't find anything
particularly scathing to report back from his Deja Newssearches regarding
hapless Cheese.
Reets
> Who's good at stocktrading, mutual funding and real estate marketting?
>Let's rule out guys like Donald Trump.
>
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I don't know abotu stock trading, but you have to admire both
Claudia Schiffer and Eva HErzigova for moving to Monaco, where there's
no income tax.
Eric Pinnell
Qui Desiderat Pacem, Praeparet Bellum
(Let Him Who Desire Peace, Prepare For War)
Flavius Vegetius Renatus - 3rd Century BC
:> vcz (*stunned*) replied: Whoa. Mick Jagger's father was a LESBIAN??!
> Surely you mean "l______."
Surely you know I always say what I mean...
> This group is for showbiz gossip.
>I find it repulsive you choose this forum
>for some personal chest-thumping.
Don't worry Cheesy, it looks like you might have
the last laugh...Yahoo shares fell by $30 something
dollars today. Say goodbye to Sarah Lawrence Myffy!
andrew
>Another financially savvy celeb (or group of celebs); the Rolling Stones.
>They have all invested their earnings very wisely and are all very
>well off. Apparently part of the reason for this success is that they have
>never had a manager....
Well, apart from the early days, when that guy who now owns all the
rights to their early work (the one who successfully sued the Verve on
"Bittersweet Symphony") managed them. After that, they wised up.
>all the formal management of the group has been
>handled by Mick Jagger, with the help of experts when they are needed. So
>they have never had to pay big % of their earnings to a manager, which has
>really solidified their financial position.
Yeah, this is true. Not just that, but Jagger has given financial
advice to friends that they have used to great effect (most notably
Freddy Mercury, and David Bowie). Jagger really pioneered that whole
"manage yourself, retain ownnership of as much as you can of your own
work, and rake it in" approach.
It's often a hidden blessing to get ripped off early in your career
(as The Stones and Bowie were), as it wises you up. It's of course
much different being ripped off towards the end of your commercial
success (as Gilbert O'Sullivan reportedly was).
> And as much as it
>chills me to say it, didn't Michael Jackson make some smooth investments when
>he bought all the song rights a few years back?
Yeah, but he blew most of it paying for the promotion of his last few
records. He had to sell part of the Beatles back catalogue a while
back to raise cash.
:>Another financially savvy celeb (or group of celebs); the Rolling Stones.
:>They have all invested their earnings very wisely and are all very
:>well off. Apparently part of the reason for this success is that they have
:>never had a manager....
: Well, apart from the early days, when that guy who now owns all the
: rights to their early work (the one who successfully sued the Verve on
: "Bittersweet Symphony") managed them. After that, they wised up.
Well, actually not :) Allan Klein was hired to be one of their financial
advisers, not their manager. He offered to "clean up" their finances on
the understanding that he would get a % of whatever missing funds he
recovered. Of course, he managed to find huge amounts of "missing"
royalties, and managed to also persuade the group to hand over some of
their publishing and licensing rights to him on the basis that he would
then be able to make
sure they got the money they were entitled to in perpetuity. Minus, of
course, his rather substantial cut for owning the publishing company and
for his services.....
This is how Klein got the rights to "The Last Time" (the orchestral
version of which the Verve sampled) and was able to demand that he get all
the royalties.
He performed a similar financial service for the Beatles, which, when Paul
resisted and appointed his own financial adviser, was one of the reasons
that the band broke up.
Cheers, Fiona
Pure random chance. It had to happen sooner or later.
Surely you mean you d_____ like a f____ and l__ like a r__.
Allen Klein?
After that, they wised up.
>
> >all the formal management of the group has been
> >handled by Mick Jagger, with the help of experts when they are needed. So
> >they have never had to pay big % of their earnings to a manager, which
has
> >really solidified their financial position.
>
> Yeah, this is true. Not just that, but Jagger has given financial
> advice to friends that they have used to great effect (most notably
> Freddy Mercury, and David Bowie). Jagger really pioneered that whole
> "manage yourself, retain ownnership of as much as you can of your own
> work, and rake it in" approach.
>
> It's often a hidden blessing to get ripped off early in your career
> (as The Stones and Bowie were), as it wises you up. It's of course
> much different being ripped off towards the end of your commercial
> success (as Gilbert O'Sullivan reportedly was).
>
Cheese27856266 wrote:
>
> This group is for showbiz gossip.
>
> I find it repulsive you choose this forum
>
> for some personal chest-thumping.
Oh piss off Cheese head!
We're all very happy for Andrew (who *is* going to be generous with
tickets to Myf's first broadway show -- I'm sure).....
*M
We'll see whether he has the sense to short-sell that most prickable of
Internet bubbles.
Terry, within pricking distance of said bubble
Andrew, we *don't* do dinner theatre!
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Ah what the hell, I 'll throw in dinner too.
thanks,
Andrew.
Imogen wrote:
>
> In article <387E60FC...@netscape.com>, <merri...@netscape.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Cheese27856266 wrote:
> > >
> > > This group is for showbiz gossip.
> > >
> > > I find it repulsive you choose this forum
> > >
> > > for some personal chest-thumping.
> >
> > Oh piss off Cheese head!
> >
> > We're all very happy for Andrew (who *is* going to be generous with
> > tickets to Myf's first broadway show -- I'm sure).....
> >
> >
> > *M
>
> Especially those of us entitled to 15% of her gross earnings.
Working cheap again, Moggie? Personal managers should get 50 per cent.
Let's see...50% for you, 50 % for Jefe, 50% for me as her Oz agent.
Yeah, that sounds right. But, we must never allow her to meet Mick Jagger.
Razz - money, money, money
>OOO, I know this one.
>
>David Bowie. Other pop stars sell more records and concert tickets,
>but he's somehow top of the Rich Rocker Pile with $1.6 billion at
>latest estimate.
Doesn't Bowie own an ISP in the UK?
Paul
A few years ago, Bowie came forth with an ISO (Initial Stock Offering) based
upon income to be generated by his publishing portfolio.
It sold 'extremely' well and Bowie became immensely rich based upon the stock
that he holds himself.
> A few years ago, Bowie came forth with an ISO (Initial Stock Offering) based
> upon income to be generated by his publishing portfolio.
>
> It sold 'extremely' well and Bowie became immensely rich based upon the stock
> that he holds himself.
Actually, I believe the financial instruments were bonds (known as "Bowie
bonds"). Unlike stock (which represents an ownership share of a corporation but
carries no obligation to pay out any cash), bonds promise a fixed income stream
(interest plus eventual repayment of the amount borrowed). In Bowie's case, his
music assets are pledged to secure bonds and the debt is repaid from royalties,
which are pretty predictable.
Testy
> On 12 Jan 2000 04:47:40 GMT, odjen...@aol.com (ODJennings) wrote:
>
> > And as much as it
> >chills me to say it, didn't Michael Jackson make some smooth investments when
> >he bought all the song rights a few years back?
>
> Yeah, but he blew most of it paying for the promotion of his last few
> records. He had to sell part of the Beatles back catalogue a while
> back to raise cash.
He did raise cash from the deal, but instead of owning 100% of ATV
catalogue (The Beatles and something else) he now owns 50% of Sony Music
Publishing as well as 50% of ATV. Sony/ATV is the third biggest music
publishing company in the world.
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>On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:17:08 GMT, and...@hotmail.com (Andrew Stewart)
>wrote:
>
>>OOO, I know this one.
>>
>>David Bowie. Other pop stars sell more records and concert tickets,
>>but he's somehow top of the Rich Rocker Pile with $1.6 billion at
>>latest estimate.
>
>Doesn't Bowie own an ISP in the UK?
Yeah, Bowienet. Also has coverage in the US and Germany.
Exactly right. It's a misconception that the bond deal made Bowie very
rich. He was already very rich (he got $55 million from the bond deal
but was already worth over $800 million), and the money he got was
money he would have got anway. The only major difference was that he
got the money up front rather than waiting for it to dribble in over a
ten year period. The major advantage from Bowie's point-of-view was
that he is resident in Ireland for tax purposes, and Ireland had at
thjat time the so-called "creative writing exemption law" in their tax
code - novelists, songwriters and others who made money from purely
creative artistic endeavours were not required to pay taxes on those
earnings. Ireland is a member of the EU and has been under pressure
from other member states to repeal this exemption, so the bond deal
effectively allowed Bowie to hedge against that and get a ten year
advance on his royalty income while it was still tax free.
Because of the publicity of the deal, other less shrewd recording
artists initially thought it was a goldmine that would make them rich.
For example, Elton John wanted to do a similar deal, but once he
realised it meant that he would have no royalty income for the next 10
years, he lost interest.
>In article <387e391c...@news.iol.ie>, and...@hotmail.com (Andrew
>Stewart) wrote:
>
>> On 12 Jan 2000 04:47:40 GMT, odjen...@aol.com (ODJennings) wrote:
>>
>> > And as much as it
>> >chills me to say it, didn't Michael Jackson make some smooth investments when
>> >he bought all the song rights a few years back?
>>
>> Yeah, but he blew most of it paying for the promotion of his last few
>> records. He had to sell part of the Beatles back catalogue a while
>> back to raise cash.
>
>
>He did raise cash from the deal, but instead of owning 100% of ATV
>catalogue (The Beatles and something else) he now owns 50% of Sony Music
>Publishing as well as 50% of ATV. Sony/ATV is the third biggest music
>publishing company in the world.
There's no denying Jacko is worth loads of money still, despite the
legal bills and the money he blew promoting his last few albums, but
being very rich is not in itself proof of excellent financial skill.
When you start having to sell the furniture to supporet your
lifestyle, that suggests that your investments weren't that good (if
they were, they'd be earning enough to keep you going). Jacko earned a
fortune in the 80s as a result of his successful records, but it's
debatable whether he's managed the money well since then. If he were,
he'd be about 3 times richer now than he was in 1990, and I doubt he
is.
> There's no denying Jacko is worth loads of money still, despite the
> legal bills and the money he blew promoting his last few albums, but
> being very rich is not in itself proof of excellent financial skill.
> When you start having to sell the furniture to supporet your
> lifestyle, that suggests that your investments weren't that good (if
> they were, they'd be earning enough to keep you going). Jacko earned a
> fortune in the 80s as a result of his successful records, but it's
> debatable whether he's managed the money well since then. If he were,
> he'd be about 3 times richer now than he was in 1990, and I doubt he
> is.
I think neither of us has a clear idea how rich he is. The reports we see
in the media about the wealth of pop stars are based on the profits of
record sales, songwriting royalties and concerts, and the majority of
Jackson's (as well as some other stars) money comes from other sources
like the Sony/ATV publishing income.
One thing about Blood On The Dancefloor, which is considered a commercial
failure. It included previously released remixes and five "new" tracks
that were left out of previous albums. There was hardly any promotion
(especially in the US), just one low budget video. Yet the album sold 4
million worldwide. I'd call that profitable.
I think it's silly to suggest that Jackson would rather sell furniture to
support his lifestyle than change his lifestyle. But 90% of the tabloid
"reports" about Jackson are based on the assumption that he has no common
sense. Once such assumption has been created, it's easy to build on that.
>I think neither of us has a clear idea how rich he is. The reports we see
>in the media about the wealth of pop stars are based on the profits of
>record sales, songwriting royalties and concerts
Not all of them. If they were, David Bowie would never have been outed
as the richest rock star on the planet (or Tom Jones as the third
richest). The only really reliable survey is the one specialist
business mag Business World did. They examined corporate accounts to
look at the total net worth of rock stars, not just that portion of
their wealth that arose as a direct consequence of their music.
(np: David Bowie - Survive)
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