Tom Tryon
tmh
Rom Tryon did, indeed, have a fairly lengthy affair with Calvin Culver
(aka pornsy\tar Casey Donovan). Culver did die of AIDS. I'm not sure
about Tryon, but I believe I have seen conjectures that he did also.
C.L. Lassiter
Er, am I getting confused (easily possible), but is this the TT who wrote
_The Other_ and _Lady_ ,etc? And is this the same guy who went on to be
ambassador to Mexico in a Republican (RR?) administration?
cl
Michael Ritchie
>Er, am I getting confused (easily possible), but is this the TT who wrote
>_The Other_ and _Lady_ ,etc?
Yes; see the *other* Tryon thread for more info.
>And is this the same guy who went on to be
>ambassador to Mexico in a Republican (RR?) administration?
I think you're thinking of John Gavin (of Throroughly Modern
Millie).
--M.
P.J. Gladnick
C.L. Lassiter <sea...@email.unc.edu> wrote in article
<6f6ams$6h$2...@fddinewz.oit.unc.edu>...
> tmh ("the...@nfis.com"@nfis.com) wrote:
> > Rom Tryon did, indeed, have a fairly lengthy affair with Calvin Culver
> > (aka pornsy\tar Casey Donovan). Culver did die of AIDS. I'm not sure
> > about Tryon, but I believe I have seen conjectures that he did also.
>
>
> Er, am I getting confused (easily possible), but is this the TT who wrote
> _The Other_ and _Lady_ ,etc? And is this the same guy who went on to be
> ambassador to Mexico in a Republican (RR?) administration?
>
> cl
>
No. That was John Gavin. BTW, ol' PJ ran into John Gavin once and said,
"Hey, you look just like John Gavin." To which Gavin bemusedly replied,
"That's what they tell me all the time."
Meredith Lesly
....won an academy award before? I don't think so, but was wondering.
Aaron Woolfolk
I tuned into the Barbara Walters pre-Oscar special late, just as they were
talking about Basinger being estranged from her mother. What happened
between them? From what I heard it's quite serious.
Then, when she won the Oscar, she thanked her father but made no mention
of her mother, whom she told Walters she was once very close to.
What happened?
- Aaron
Aaron Woolfolk
I thought the gathering they had of past Oscar actor winners was a bit
sad, and telling of how winning an Oscar doesn't guarantee overall career
success and prestige.
Yes, there were actors in the "portrait" who do have stellar careers and
represent the best of the profession: Robert DeNiro, Sidney Poitier, Rita
Moreno (only person to win an Oscar, an Emmy, a Tony, and a Grammy),
Gregory Peck, Dustin Hoffman, Jack Nicholson, Susan Sarandon, Sean
Connery, Jack Lemmon, Walter Matthau, Robert Duvall, and others.
But the majority of people sitting up there have had so-so careers, been
completely forgotten by casting directors and fans alike, or are
maintaining embarrassing careers.
For example, I was shocked to see George Chakiris, who won best supporting
actor for "Westside Story" back in, what, 1960? My first reaction was
"Where the hell did they find him?" His career pretty much disappeared
after he won the Oscar. I'd say his career is like Robert Forster's in
reverse, but that's an insult to Forster's career.
It was also sad to see Louis Gossett Jr. Here is a talented guy who won
fame with his showcase role in "Roots" back in the 70's, then won the best
supporting actor Oscar for "An Officer and a Gentleman" in the 80's. His
career has been going downhill since. I was in a video store a few weeks
ago and I saw that they were up to "Iron Eagle 5", all of which "star"
Gossett. (I didn't know they were still making them after "2"). Gossett's
career now is relegated to straight-to-video clunkers. Now that I think
about it, his career actually IS Forster's in reverse. I wonder if he
looks at Samuel L. Jackson and Morgan Freeman and thinks, "I should be
being considered for the roles they're getting." But Gosset has been
forgotten by the powers that be in Hollywood. There's nothing more
pathetic (in the context of entertainment) than to see a preview for a
straight-to-video abomination, or see the video box itself, and hear/read
the words "starring Academy Award-winner Louis Gossett Jr."
Looking at the "Oscar Family Portrait" last night, there were several
others like that. I don't even remember the same of the woman who won an
Oscar for "My Left Foot". Maybe she's got a good career going in Europe or
something, which would be good. But I doubt ten people in the entire
Shrine Auditorium could've recognized her.
And as for the recent Oscar winners on stage, I can only wonder where
their careers will be in 10, 20, 30 years. I hope Mira Sorvino took a look
around her and said to herself, "I'd better choose my role mores carefully
from now on so that I don't end up like a lot of these people. No more
'Mimic's and 'Replacement Killers's for awhile." Cuba Gooding Jr. seems to
be doing okay so far (hey, he was cast in "As Good As It Gets" alongside
Jack and Helen), but its only been a year since his Oscar win.
Any comments? Criticisms? Lay into me!
- Aaron
Kimberly Matthieu
I agree. I thought it was kind of sad too. Like that actor (I dont know
his name) who won for the movie "The Yearling", when he was just a
little kid.
C.L. Lassiter
Michael Ritchie (ritc...@osu.edu) wrote:
> In article <6f6ams$6h$2...@fddinewz.oit.unc.edu> sea...@email.unc.edu (C.L. Lassiter) writes:
> >Er, am I getting confused (easily possible), but is this the TT who wrote
> >_The Other_ and _Lady_ ,etc?
> Yes;
Yes I'm getting confused, or yes this is the TT who wrote....? :-)
> see the *other* Tryon thread for more info.
There's another Tryon thread? Eeek.
> >And is this the same guy who went on to be
> >ambassador to Mexico in a Republican (RR?) administration?
> I think you're thinking of John Gavin (of Throroughly Modern
> Millie).
That's it. Thanks Michael (and PJ). I always got them confused, clearly.
Now, this is the John Gavin who starred in "Back Street" with Susan
Hayward, no? Or am I *completely* confused?
(Hint, please say "yes": to he did, not to my state.)
cl
Michael Ritchie
>> >And is this the same guy who went on to be
>> >ambassador to Mexico in a Republican (RR?) administration?
>>
>> I think you're thinking of John Gavin (of Throroughly Modern
>> Millie).
>
>That's it. Thanks Michael (and PJ). I always got them confused, clearly.
>Now, this is the John Gavin who starred in "Back Street" with Susan
>Hayward, no? Or am I *completely* confused?
>
>(Hint, please say "yes": to he did, not to my state.)
Yes, he did. (Aren't you lucky I didn't have to lie?)
--M.
Michael Ritchie
>....won an academy award before? I don't think so, but was wondering.
Cloris Leachman did in the the early 70's, winning Best Supporting
Actress for _Last Picture Show_ while she played Phyllis on
_The Mary Tyler Moore Show_.
--M.
Linda F. Cauthen
I seem to recall from one of Richard Lamparski's "Where are they now"
books that Claude Jarman had left acting at a very young age and had a
successful career as a businessman in the midwest.What's sad about that?
Linda ASGTPR#49
Lynn Riley
DaRkSpAwN wrote:
>
> Aaron Woolfolk wrote in message ...
> >
> >I thought the gathering they had of past Oscar actor winners was a bit
> >sad, and telling of how winning an Oscar doesn't guarantee overall career
> >success and prestige.
> >fame with his showcase role in "Roots" back in the 70's, then won the best
> >supporting actor Oscar for "An Officer and a Gentleman" in the 80's. His
> >career has been going downhill since. I was in a video store a few weeks
> >ago and I saw that they were up to "Iron Eagle 5", all of which "star"
> >Gossett. (I didn't know they were still making them after "2"). Gossett's
> >career now is relegated to straight-to-video clunkers. Now that I think
>
> me to fall outta my seat.
> I couldnt believe how old many of them are looking now, I mean like REALLY
> old.
> Louis Gossett looked like he was really unwell ie cancer/aids.
> Having not seen him for years (preferring not to hire clunkers) I was
> totally shocked to see him in particular looking like that.
..yeah the lineup was almost like a liver spot parade -- it made me sad.
I missed Miss Liz and Liza Minnelli, and I was glad to see that Patricia
Neal was still with us - and didn't Celeste Holm look fabulous?
Lynn
Wirt
As far as this Oscar family portrait goes.....
Where exactly *were* all the others? I'm sure they were invited, just
wondering why they wouldn't attend. Sally Field, Tom Hanks, Jodie
Foster, Meryl Streep, Liza Minelli, Tatum O'Neal, Al Pacino, Jessica
Lange, Paul Newman, Joanne Woodward, Nicholas Cage, Marlon Brando,
William Hurt, Jane Fonda, Kevin Spacey, and more... Granted, that whole
segment would have been two hours long had they all shown up. Any ideas?
X-Nico
Aaron Woolfolk wrote:
> Rita Moreno (only person to win an Oscar, an Emmy, a Tony, and a Grammy)
Didn't Barbra Streisand also win all four awards?
Susan G. Sharp
Aaron Woolfolk (aw...@columbia.edu) wrote:
: I thought the gathering they had of past Oscar actor winners was a bit
: sad, and telling of how winning an Oscar doesn't guarantee overall career
: success and prestige.
Indeed - but why should this be sad? The only quibble I have with your
interesting post is the presupposition that endless (literally) success
and prestige in the movie biz means "winning," and anything else makes
somebody a loser, has-been, one-hit wonder, etc.
My reaction to Chakiris (& many others) was the same as yours - "where the
hell did they find him?" - but in a delighted rather than cringing way.
Let's face it, lasting stardom happens only to a relative handful - those
whose looks are right in some certain way, who have luck, & who are
otherwise constituted to deal with/enjoy the punishing & often surreal
life of showbiz.
Maybe Chakiris has been running a school of dance or a hardware store.
Maybe Gossett doesn't give a damn about being Jimmy Stewart and simply
sold out and is still enjoying the name recognition and money and will
even be Travolta'd somewhere down the pike. (Of course the obstacles to
black actors remain a subject in themselves.)
The "My Left Foot" woman - Brenda Fricker - well of *course* she's been
forgotten - supporting actress, and from abroad. But when they ID'd her,
lots of people had a nice moment remembering the movie and her
performance and her Oscar.
What struck me was all the *real* oldsters, well before my time - but
again, for every Shirley Temple there's at least twenty "who the hell's
he/she?" It was such a rare & interesting "long view" of celebrity - to
see such a mix of icons and "forgottens." To me they were all equally cool
- whether having risen to iconhood or faded to obscurity. Nobody can take
away their connection to each other - and "obscurity," though considered a
high crime in our celebrity-equals-success world, probably suits any
number of their full, happy lives just fine.
: Lay into me!
Now, that'll cost you! :)
- Susan
opinions my own
Lynn Riley
Aaron Woolfolk wrote:
>
> I thought the gathering they had of past Oscar actor winners was a bit
> sad, and telling of how winning an Oscar doesn't guarantee overall career
> success and prestige.
><snip>
> completely forgotten by casting directors and fans alike, or are
> maintaining embarrassing careers.
Part of that can be blamed on bad agents/managers.
> It was also sad to see Louis Gossett Jr. Here is a talented guy who won
><snip>
> forgotten by the powers that be in Hollywood. There's nothing more
> pathetic (in the context of entertainment) than to see a preview for a
> straight-to-video abomination, or see the video box itself, and hear/read
> the words "starring Academy Award-winner Louis Gossett Jr."
Couldn't have said it better. Maybe Tarantino can help him out.
>
> Looking at the "Oscar Family Portrait" last night, there were several
> others like that. I don't even remember the same of the woman who won an
> Oscar for "My Left Foot". Maybe she's got a good career going in Europe or
> something, which would be good. But I doubt ten people in the entire
> Shrine Auditorium could've recognized her.
I believe her name is Brenda Fricker.
>
> And as for the recent Oscar winners on stage, I can only wonder where
> their careers will be in 10, 20, 30 years. I hope Mira Sorvino took a look
> around her and said to herself, "I'd better choose my role mores carefully
> from now on so that I don't end up like a lot of these people.
Especially like Marisa Tomei.
Lynn
Duke
Aaron Woolfolk wrote:
> Any comments? Criticisms? Lay into me!
Thinking about this array of past winners, I was wondering if the Academy was
making a conscious effort to help bring some of them back into the limelight
by having them up there on stage.
DaRkSpAwN
Aaron Woolfolk wrote in message ...
>
>I thought the gathering they had of past Oscar actor winners was a bit
>sad, and telling of how winning an Oscar doesn't guarantee overall career
>success and prestige.
>>It was also sad to see Louis Gossett Jr. Here is a talented guy who won
Bill
In article <351835...@XNico.com>,
X-Nico <X-N...@XNico.com> wrote:
I think Streisand's Tony was an honorary award, not for a specific role.
Bill
Hockeymere
>From: su...@loc.gov (Susan G.
> for every Shirley Temple there's at least twenty "who the hell's
>he/she?"
Shirley Temple looked genuinely surprised and thrilled at the audience response
when her name was announced. But it didn't surprise me one bit. We Baby
Boomers grew up watching her (then) 20 year old movies. She was my first idol.
And yes, I made my Mom style my hair into banana curls.
Chin Chee Kian
Meredith Lesly (gy...@shore.net) wrote:
: ....won an academy award before? I don't think so, but was wondering.
Helen Hunt??? DUH!
jfa
Don't know about the others, but I do know that Joanne Woodward does NOT
like to fly -- I don't even think she showed up a few years back when
she was nominated for "Mr & Mrs Bridge"
Wright JH
KimR...@webtv.net wrote
>>Like that actor (I dont know
his name) who won for the movie "The Yearling", when he was just a
little kid. <<
You're talking about Claude Jarman.
Jan-the-lurker
ASGTP#92
ka...@delphi.com
Hockeymere <hocke...@aol.com> writes:
>
>Shirley Temple looked genuinely surprised and thrilled at the audience response
>when her name was announced. But it didn't surprise me one bit. We Baby
>Boomers grew up watching her (then) 20 year old movies. She was my first idol.
> And yes, I made my Mom style my hair into banana curls.
A friend of mine was a PA on a local People are Talking show when
Shirley was hawking her autobiography. She said she was
a real... well, not a bitch, because she wasn't exactly nasty.
But she wanted everything "just so" as if she had been flown
in personally at the station's request, as opposed to their
just being stop 4000 on her world tour.
.
kassa
Diana
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:04:16 GMT, ga...@world.std.com (Andrew Gavin)
wrote:
>X-Nico <X-N...@XNico.com> writes:
>
>>Aaron Woolfolk wrote:
>
>>> Rita Moreno (only person to win an Oscar, an Emmy, a Tony, and a Grammy)
>
>>Didn't Barbra Streisand also win all four awards?
>
>I think Liza Minelli has as well.
As has Rita Moreno. I believe she was the first actor to do so.
Diana
Note to self: Buy more brimstone
smith
Lynn Riley wrote:
> > I don't even remember the same of the woman who won an
> > Oscar for "My Left Foot". Maybe she's got a good career going in Europe or
> > something, which would be good. But I doubt ten people in the entire
> > Shrine Auditorium could've recognized her.
>
> I believe her name is Brenda Fricker.
And she is having a wonderful career, though not in mainstream
hollywood.
(I think a comparison with Olympia Dukakis would be apt.) She's been in
lot's of art house stuff, the titles of which I've naturally
forgotten...
-Zach
Diana Stassen
ga...@world.std.com (Andrew Gavin) wrote:
>X-Nico <X-N...@XNico.com> writes:
>>Aaron Woolfolk wrote:
>>> Rita Moreno (only person to win an Oscar, an Emmy, a Tony, and a Grammy)
>>Didn't Barbra Streisand also win all four awards?
>I think Liza Minelli has as well.
Liza Minnelli has not won an Emmy.
--Diana
Diana Stassen
NOTE: The reply-to address is a spam filter. To email
me, replace "occupant" with "diana".
Rick Rashid
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:26:12 GMT, occu...@stassen.com (Diana Stassen)
wrote:
>ga...@world.std.com (Andrew Gavin) wrote:
>
>>X-Nico <X-N...@XNico.com> writes:
>
>>>Aaron Woolfolk wrote:
>
>>>> Rita Moreno (only person to win an Oscar, an Emmy, a Tony, and a Grammy)
>
>>>Didn't Barbra Streisand also win all four awards?
>
>>I think Liza Minelli has as well.
>
>
>Liza Minnelli has not won an Emmy.
True she hasn't - but she helped Bob Fosse win one for directing "Liza
with a Z" and both Fosse and Fred Ebb win one for producing the same
show (guess Liza should have put her name on as one of the producers?)
Rick Rashid
Gillian Hardy
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:31:18 GMT, Bill <tk...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> I think Streisand's Tony was an honorary award, not for a specific role.
It was a special achievement type award but nevertheless still a Tony.
And she got all four by the time she was 27.
Re Brenda Fricker - she has most certainly *not* been forgotten over
here. Her most recent appearance was a return to 'Casualty' (the
programme that gained her recognition here in the UK) for Charlie and
Baz's wedding.
*** Gillian *** *** GO JANA!!! ***
Currently listening to: Barbra Streisand - Guilty
Dukette89
I thought the portrait would come in handy for picking next year's ghoul pools.
And can you believe Frank is still circling the drain?
Mary
15 minutes of sleep is better than none.
P.J. Gladnick
Hockeymere <hocke...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199803250404...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
> >From: su...@loc.gov (Susan G.
>
> > for every Shirley Temple there's at least twenty "who the hell's
> >he/she?"
>
> Shirley Temple looked genuinely surprised and thrilled at the audience
response
> when her name was announced. But it didn't surprise me one bit. We Baby
> Boomers grew up watching her (then) 20 year old movies. She was my first
idol.
> And yes, I made my Mom style my hair into banana curls.
>
Wasn't there once a non-alcoholic drink for kids called a "Shirley Temple?"
TTROY 98
no just rita...
Linda Ronning
> P.J.Gladnick <pjg...@gate.net> wrote:
> Wasn't there once a non-alcoholic drink for kids called a "Shirley
Temple?"
>
You can still order a Shirley Temple --- it's ginger ale & grenadine & a
cherry.
Linda:)
Wendy Grossman
In article <35185790...@westlink.com>, DWa...@westlink.com (Duke)
wrote:
>
>
> Aaron Woolfolk wrote:
>
> > Any comments? Criticisms? Lay into me!
>
> Thinking about this array of past winners, I was wondering if the Academ
> y was
> making a conscious effort to help bring some of them back into the limel
> ight
> by having them up there on stage.
>
One thing I was wondering was -- most of the women seemed to have won
their Oscars quite young. So I was wondering what the avg age of male vs.
female Oscar winners at time of winning is. Anyone got the statistics?
Notably missing was Katharine Hepburn, also -- the winningest person in
Oscar history.
wg
ASGTP#063
Aaron Woolfolk
On 24 Mar 1998, Susan G. Sharp wrote:
> Aaron Woolfolk (aw...@columbia.edu) wrote:
> : I thought the gathering they had of past Oscar actor winners was a bit
> : sad, and telling of how winning an Oscar doesn't guarantee overall career
> : success and prestige.
> <snip>
>
> Indeed - but why should this be sad? The only quibble I have with your
> interesting post is the presupposition that endless (literally) success
> and prestige in the movie biz means "winning," and anything else makes
> somebody a loser, has-been, one-hit wonder, etc.
>
> My reaction to Chakiris (& many others) was the same as yours - "where the
> hell did they find him?" - but in a delighted rather than cringing way.
> Let's face it, lasting stardom happens only to a relative handful - those
> whose looks are right in some certain way, who have luck, & who are
> otherwise constituted to deal with/enjoy the punishing & often surreal
> life of showbiz.
>
> Maybe Chakiris has been running a school of dance or a hardware store.
> Maybe Gossett doesn't give a damn about being Jimmy Stewart and simply
> sold out and is still enjoying the name recognition and money and will
> even be Travolta'd somewhere down the pike. (Of course the obstacles to
> black actors remain a subject in themselves.)
<snip>
You're absolutely right what you wrote about "winning" and success, Susan.
Awards aren't the final arbiter of success and respect. After all, if I'm
correct, Carey Grant never won an Oscar for an actual role he played.
(Didn't he get an honorary one?). Humphrey Bogart, John Wayne, Paul
Newman, Al Pacino -- they didn't get Oscars for their greatest roles, but
rather "career" Oscars given to them for roles that don't come close to
their best work. Akira Kurosawa and Alfred Hitchcock are (in my opinion)
the two greatest directors who ever lived, but they never got a directing
Oscar. (Kurosawa's film "Rashomon won for best foreign-language film in
the 50's; he also got an honorary one a few years back). Martin Scorcese
has never won one, but many people consider him the best living American
director.
But what I was trying to say about a lot of the actors in the Oscar
"Family Portrait" is that the good roles dried up for them. I think that
most of them WANTED to work, and get the good roles, and retain the
visibility; and that their biggest priority was not to win another Oscar,
but to continue to get the opportunity to do good work.
I look at what Robert Forster has said about the long period his career
was mired in B-movies and straight-to-video clunkers. He wasn't ungrateful
because he was able to put all of his kids through college, and live a
pretty comfortable life. (And he probably had a larger yearly income than
a lot of us here). He was grateful. But he WANTED the choice roles, to be
on the "A" list.
Louis Gossett Jr. is making a living, and his Oscar ensures that he'll
probably always have SOME kind of work. He's probably making more money
than any of us. He probably lives in a big house and has most of the
material things he wants. But I'm sure he knows he's a talented man, and
that his talent is being wasted on the sort of projects he routinely acts
in. I would guess that he WANTS more for himself and his career.
On the other hand, I might be wrong about Chakiris. Maybe his first
priority wasn't acting. Maybe he did open up a dance school somewhere and
did what made him happy. If that was indeed the case, then maybe success
to him had nothing to do with getting more Hollywood roles, but everything
to do with extending his love of dance to others.
I'm just going on the assumption that actors naturally want the choicest
(not necessarily high-profile) roles. And I'm going on the assumption that
when the actors in the "Family Portrait" won their Oscar, they probably
expected that the choicest roles (quality roles) would be available to
them. I called the "Family Portrait" sad because for a lot of those actors
up there, that expectation didn't pan out.
- Aaron
Jaime20754
>My reaction to Chakiris (& many others) was the same as yours - "where the
>hell did they find him?"
I heard that he continued acting in Europe.....
delmarpa
I thought the Family Portrait was the highlight of the show. These people
made big money years ago and many of them walked away from show business of
their own
accord. Teresa Wright married Robert Anderson and left for the NY crowd.
Many of
them became producers and invested their earnings well. I doubt that anyone
on
that stage needed social security to make ends meet.
X-Nico
He's also done some direct-to-video crap.
Breck
delmarpa <delm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<6fg1pt$g...@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>...
> I thought the Family Portrait was the highlight of the show. These
people
> made big money years ago and many of them walked away from show business
of
> their own
> accord. Teresa Wright married Robert Anderson and left for the NY crowd.
> Many of
> them became producers and invested their earnings well.
And one of them went on to have a long and successful career as an
ambassador. I seriously doubt that particular individual (Shirley Temple
Black) has any interest in reviving an acting career.
luc
In article <3519625c...@news.demon.co.uk>, Gillian Hardy
<gil...@agnetha.demon.co.uk> writes
>Re Brenda Fricker - she has most certainly *not* been forgotten over
>here. Her most recent appearance was a return to 'Casualty' (the
>programme that gained her recognition here in the UK) for Charlie and
>Baz's wedding.
But where else have you seen her in the last 3 or 4 years? Haven't seen
her on UK television, let alone the movies, and don't recall reading
about any stage work she's been doing....
-Lucrezia
--
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Didja hear what wen...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Wendy Grossman") said?
}Notably missing was Katharine Hepburn, also -- the winningest person in
}Oscar history.
I'm not all that certain how "notable" you could call that.... Of the
number of times she was nominated, and of the four awards she won,
*how* many times did she actually attend? Twice, maybe? So that
didn't surprise me all that much.
$.02 from a returning lurker....
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>>Re Brenda Fricker
>But where else have you seen her in the last 3 or 4 years? Haven't seen
>her on UK television, let alone the movies, and don't recall reading
>about any stage work she's been doing....
"A Time to Kill". Not that long ago.
Bob
In article <199803290214...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
rop...@aol.com (RoperII) wrote:
She was in the Casualty special the other week when Charlie and thingy got
married
Bob
Gillian Hardy
On Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:33:53 +0000, luc <l...@bagels.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
[Re Brenda Fricker]
>But where else have you seen her in the last 3 or 4 years? Haven't seen
>her on UK television, let alone the movies, and don't recall reading
>about any stage work she's been doing....
She was in A Time To Kill not so long ago, as well as appearances in
Home Alone II and Hook amongst others.
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In article <Pine.GSO.3.95qL.98032...@ciao.cc.columbia.edu>,
Aaron Woolfolk <aw...@columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>
> I thought the gathering they had of past Oscar actor winners was a bit
> sad, and telling of how winning an Oscar doesn't guarantee overall career
> success and prestige.
>
> represent the best of the profession: Robert DeNiro, Sidney Poitier, Rita
> Moreno (only person to win an Oscar, an Emmy, a Tony, and a Grammy),
> Gregory Peck, Dustin Hoffman, Jack Nicholson, Susan Sarandon, Sean
> Connery, Jack Lemmon, Walter Matthau, Robert Duvall, and others.
>
> But the majority of people sitting up there have had so-so careers, been
> completely forgotten by casting directors and fans alike, or are
> maintaining embarrassing careers.
>
> For example, I was shocked to see George Chakiris, who won best supporting
> actor for "Westside Story" back in, what, 1960? My first reaction was
> "Where the hell did they find him?" His career pretty much disappeared
> after he won the Oscar. I'd say his career is like Robert Forster's in
> reverse, but that's an insult to Forster's career.
>
> It was also sad to see Louis Gossett Jr. Here is a talented guy who won
> fame with his showcase role in "Roots" back in the 70's, then won the best
> supporting actor Oscar for "An Officer and a Gentleman" in the 80's. His
> career has been going downhill since. I was in a video store a few weeks
> ago and I saw that they were up to "Iron Eagle 5", all of which "star"
> Gossett. (I didn't know they were still making them after "2"). Gossett's
> career now is relegated to straight-to-video clunkers. Now that I think
> about it, his career actually IS Forster's in reverse. I wonder if he
> looks at Samuel L. Jackson and Morgan Freeman and thinks, "I should be
> being considered for the roles they're getting." But Gosset has been
> forgotten by the powers that be in Hollywood. There's nothing more
> pathetic (in the context of entertainment) than to see a preview for a
> straight-to-video abomination, or see the video box itself, and hear/read
> the words "starring Academy Award-winner Louis Gossett Jr."
>
> Looking at the "Oscar Family Portrait" last night, there were several
> others like that. I don't even remember the same of the woman who won an
> Oscar for "My Left Foot". Maybe she's got a good career going in Europe or
> something, which would be good. But I doubt ten people in the entire
> Shrine Auditorium could've recognized her.
>
> their careers will be in 10, 20, 30 years. I hope Mira Sorvino took a look
> around her and said to herself, "I'd better choose my role mores carefully
> from now on so that I don't end up like a lot of these people. No more
> 'Mimic's and 'Replacement Killers's for awhile." Cuba Gooding Jr. seems to
> be doing okay so far (hey, he was cast in "As Good As It Gets" alongside
> Jack and Helen), but its only been a year since his Oscar win.
>
> Any comments? Criticisms? Lay into me!
>
>
>
It's a roller coaster ride being a movie star, one day you're the
greatest, the next, you're a has been. you take the good and the
bad as a "movie star" the ones that are on a roll now will
be at the bottom in a few years. it's hard to stay at the top.
only the best stay.
On the take in Hollywood--
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