This dogging must be stopped!
sir.tony
Rotty
You have about as much chance of stopping people shagging in public as the
pope has in turning a chunk of stone into a block of pure gold.
Really you have no idea at all do you.
All the comments I have read so far have about as much to do with genuine
dogging as a bishops fart has to do air freshener.
Before you sit in judgement over things you have very little in common with,
you might try and be a little better informed.
I also read your comment about the possibility of minors being involved at
Scratchwood, either this was a piece of scaremongering on your part, or your
not a civicly spirited individual at all, for surely your duty under such
circumstances is to report said activities to the authorities.
My understanding is that the authorities have a lot more to worry about than
a bunch of us so called grubby sad individuals discretely bonking in the
middle of no where late at night and this would be very far away from you or
anyone elses doorstep (yes I am aware you never said that).
Whether these activities are right or wrong is really not for you to judge,
thats up to the courts to decide if and when the individuals concerned end
up arrested and charged.
I have kept my post civil so please ensure you keep your replies the same.
Rotty
"sir.tony" <asb_commu...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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boring
"Rotty" <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Well said.............the cunt really doesnt have a clue, but does seem to
think he can pronounce judgement regarding something he obviously knows very
very little about!
DaveinI...@webtv.net
more intergrity and morality than these reprobate minds who insist on a
tittilating temporary using of others. What a sad pathetic excuse for
human beings....which they are not. They are the lowest form of
reprobatia.
boring
government has murdered many many thousands of people in pursuit of demoracy
(?) and $$$$$$$$
<DaveinI...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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boring
at supporting it!........lol
"boring" <boring...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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sir.tony
talking about wars?
sir.tony
Rotty
> hahahahahahahahaha
What topic is this?
Are you feeling ok? need to take a pill or something?
I was wondering what you think of swingers? seeing as this is a swingers
group, I mean do you?
Rotty
boring
clearly dont seem to have the most tenacious grip on sanity, let alone the
ability to put forward any valid or objective points!news:PXbVb.5815$P32....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
Adrian Miles-Davros
government has murdered many many thousands of people in pursuit of demoracy
> (?) and $$$$$$$$
> <DaveinI...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:29197-40...@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net...
He's from Essex originally, thinks it gives him some sort of fight to post
regarding other people's morals in the UK!
sir.tony
Rotty
is a bit like swinging out of doors. Is it the people shagging that gets
you upset or the people watching?
Is it just too many doggers at Scratchwood and it is upset the cottaging
fraternity?
Is it upsetting you because there are too many so called doggers and you
can't get a look in?
Rotty
"sir.tony" <asb_commu...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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RedOnRed
"Adrian Miles-Davros" <am_d...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The Home Office is introducing new laws, which come under the title
Protecting The Public...
"The Home Office will be introducing a new public order offence,
specifically targeted at specified sexual acts that take place in public.
The new offence of Sexual behaviour in a public place will send out a strong
signal of their intention to protect people from being unwilling witnesses
to overtly sexual behaviour that most people consider should take place in
private."
"The maximum penalty for the offence will be 6 months imprisonment or a fine
or both."
Make the most of your perverted acts. The general public and law is catching
up with you. But cheer up. Six months in prison can go quite quickly,
especially if it's over the winter period.
sir.tony
> I really don't understand why you say that, really in a lot of cases
dogging
> is a bit like swinging out of doors. Is it the people shagging that gets
> you upset or the people watching?
>
> Is it just too many doggers at Scratchwood and it is upset the cottaging
> fraternity?
>
> Is it upsetting you because there are too many so called doggers and you
> can't get a look in?
>
>
I'm only interested in real women.
sir.tony
And only interested in women over 18 and with a brain.
boring
"RedOnRed" <r3d0...@v1rg3n.n0t> wrote in message
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you seem to speak from personal experience regarding spending time in prison
........lol
if you feel that sexual activities between consenting adults, are in fact
"perverted acts" then perhaps you would be well advised to look at groups
other than alt.sex.swingers.uk, which does have a fair proportion of
postings concerning such "perverted acts"!
as to our wonderful government acting to protect the people, perhaps the
deaths of 55,000 Iraqis were arranged for just the same
reasons...........thing is i dont personally feel all that much safer from
terrorist attack, and was never really that worried about being attacked by
Iraqi civilians, many thousands of miles away from me!
finally as you have obviously had a very traumatic experience, related to
happenening upon something to do with dogging, while on some nocturnal jaunt
of your own, perhaps you would be good enough to provide some details to all
of those following this tread?
RedOnRed
Oh, i'm in the wrong newsgroup to talk about dogging am I? I suppose I
should be talking about...
>
> as to our wonderful government acting to protect the people, perhaps the
> deaths of 55,000 Iraqis were arranged for just the same
> reasons...........thing is i dont personally feel all that much safer from
> terrorist attack, and was never really that worried about being attacked
by
> Iraqi civilians, many thousands of miles away from me!
>
Hey, he's caught off guard again. It's the olds lets change the subject and
hope they fall for it ploy again. Oh yeah, I get it, this is the
alt.sex.swingers.letschangethesubjecteverytimewe'reinatightcorner.uk
newsgroup. Well if you want to debate Iraq (or any other current affair for
that matter) no doubt i'll blow your lame theories & comments out of the
water on those too.
> finally as you have obviously had a very traumatic experience, related to
> happenening upon something to do with dogging, while on some nocturnal
jaunt
> of your own, perhaps you would be good enough to provide some details to
all
> of those following this tread?
Never witnessed a dogging incident, but that's just it - I don't want to and
for the sake of every other non-sexually frustrated person who doesn't feel
the inclination to be that sexually depraved he needs to break the law, i'll
back the law and all normal people 100% on this one, to ensure I, my
friends, my relatives and children never stumble upon and witness your sick
actions.
sir.tony
boring
"RedOnRed" <r3d0...@v1rg3n.n0t> wrote in message
it would seem to me that if you personally have never witnesed what you
refer to as a "dogging incident" then you are speaking purely from the
perspective of a consumer of the shock/horror drivel generated by the
corparate media!
could this in fact be the same corporate media that so supported war against
the people of Iraq, which in terms of increased risks of terrororist attacks
in the UK, is perhaps something that should concern you a little more, than
the actions of people whose sexual tastes differ from your own!
boring
attempt to present any facts (other than that they are a narrow minded bigot
of course!), and openly admit that like yourself they have no first hand
knowledge of the subject they are pontificating upon?news:PVpVb.10712$P32....@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
boring
thing is m8 if they had a brain they are certainly going to give someone
like you a very wide berth!
Rotty
think you must be reffering to this
"77. We will also be introducing a new public order offence, specifically
targeted at specified sexual acts that take place in public. The new offence
of Sexual behaviour in a public place will send out a strong signal of our
intention to protect people from being unwilling witnesses to overtly sexual
behaviour that most people consider should take place in private. It will be
in addition to, and not a replacement for, existing public order offences.
However it is not our intention to interfere in everyday behaviour in public
that does not cause offence to the vast majority of people such as kissing
or cuddling. It is also not our intention to criminalise sexual activity
that takes place outdoors but in an isolated place where one would
reasonably expect not to be observed. The maximum penalty for the offence
will be 6 months imprisonment or a fine or both."
I suggest you read this very carefully, you see that it does in fact say
that sex in an isolated place or with out the intent to shock is not going
to be outlawed as you may well believe. But then you have to realise that
most genuine doggers and couples are not out to shock or upset others. In
point of fact the genuine amongst those out and about are more inclined to
use some discretion and would not want to play any where near a minor or
that would offend.
The upshot is that if you expose your genitalia in public it will be an
offence, but if you shag your wife in a car park in the middle of no where
late at night with no intent of shocking or hurting anyone then you won't.
So now we only need work out what actually consitutes a public place?
So far from what I have read the new laws seem very worthwhile and level
headed, which is more than can be said for some of opinions I have read so
far.
Oh and you might like to know that the maximum sentence is 2 years and not 6
months.
Rotty
Rotty
looking for it. If you or anyone should stumble across a dogging incident
you will inadvertantly see a group of people stood around chatting and
smoking cigarettes and possibly being really sick by drinking HOT COFFEE.
Oh and no one and I mean no one is 100 % normal, not if you are part of the
human race like the rest of us.
Rotty
Rotty
I thought we were having an ADULT discussion not some childish slanging
match.
Oh well I could argue with you, but you really are pathetic at it. I mena
you have already broken the rules and abused this group haven't you?
If you are not sure how that is then I am more than happy to explain it on a
level you will hopefully understand with words as small as possible for you
to read, so things are not to tough for you.
regards from a very considerate
Rotty
"sir.tony" <asb_commu...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Rotty
Rotty
PS real woman are not kept in a cardboard box under the bed, nor do you have
to empty them when you are done!
"sir.tony" <asb_commu...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Rotty
most are very clever, articulate and indeed have abrain, and a personality;
oh and most of all they have lots of other nice qualities.
But then I urged you privately to go to the authorites if you have actually
seen any minors at any dogging site, that sort of thing is nothing but bad,
that is if your contention is in fact true, which I some how doubt.
Rotty
"sir.tony" <asb_commu...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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sir.tony
No women want's you. That why you go dogging, how sad
sir.tony
> Most doggettes would make mincemeat of any comment that they are
brainless,
> most are very clever, articulate and indeed have abrain, and a
personality;
> oh and most of all they have lots of other nice qualities.
>
> But then I urged you privately to go to the authorites if you have
actually
> seen any minors at any dogging site, that sort of thing is nothing but
bad,
> that is if your contention is in fact true, which I some how doubt.
>
>
RedOnRed
> <snip>
>
> think you must be reffering to this
>
> "77. We will also be introducing a new public order offence, specifically
> targeted at specified sexual acts that take place in public. The new
offence
> of Sexual behaviour in a public place will send out a strong signal of our
> intention to protect people from being unwilling witnesses to overtly
sexual
> behaviour that most people consider should take place in private. It will
be
> in addition to, and not a replacement for, existing public order offences.
> However it is not our intention to interfere in everyday behaviour in
public
> that does not cause offence to the vast majority of people such as kissing
> or cuddling. It is also not our intention to criminalise sexual activity
> that takes place outdoors but in an isolated place where one would
> reasonably expect not to be observed. The maximum penalty for the offence
> will be 6 months imprisonment or a fine or both."
Just above here ^
|
|
>
> I suggest you read this very carefully, you see that it does in fact say
> that sex in an isolated place or with out the intent to shock is not going
> to be outlawed as you may well believe. But then you have to realise that
> most genuine doggers and couples are not out to shock or upset others. In
> point of fact the genuine amongst those out and about are more inclined to
> use some discretion and would not want to play any where near a minor or
> that would offend.
>
> The upshot is that if you expose your genitalia in public it will be an
> offence, but if you shag your wife in a car park in the middle of no where
> late at night with no intent of shocking or hurting anyone then you won't.
>
> So now we only need work out what actually consitutes a public place?
>
> So far from what I have read the new laws seem very worthwhile and level
> headed, which is more than can be said for some of opinions I have read so
> far.
>
> Oh and you might like to know that the maximum sentence is 2 years and not
6
> months.
>
> Rotty
>
>
Read your own extract a few paragraphs above and you may well find it's
(unfortunately) actually only 6 months.
RedOnRed
Your digressing at any opportunity indicates that you really aren't
intellectually well equipped enough to respond directly to the issues raised
here.
You're absolutely right on one thing though, WMD's and the Iraq conflict is
far more important then the objections of dogging. Why stop there. How about
the Chinese occupation of Tibet? Paedophilia? Various species that face
extinction? It's endless.
There's an appropriate newsgroup for all and every topic of conversation.
However, this newsgroup is the right one to discuss dogging. If you can't
keep the debate within the boundaries of fact without deviating away to an
unrelated subject to tenuously back up your weak argument - then you should
find the right newsgroup to accommodate your alternative beliefs.
Rotty
more clearly for now you are making it sound like every woman who has sex
with a man is not being clever.
Rotty
"sir.tony" <asb_commu...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Rotty
and dogging is one aspect of that, though some might disagree.
Then again when you feel that you can't cope with ideas above you ability
and comprehension I notice you get the your off topic hat on.
Like you have never gone off topic?
Rotty
<shit snipped>
Rotty
last sentence.
76. Certain crimes do not involve direct physical contact with the victim
but still cause alarm or distress. At present, exposure or "flashing" can be
charged under section 4 of the Vagrancy Act 1824 or section 28 of the Town
Police Clauses Act 1847; charges can also be brought under the common law
offence of outraging public decency. We will introduce a new gender neutral
offence of Indecent exposure relating to the exposure of both male and
female genitalia in circumstances where the accused intended to cause or
where it was reasonably likely that their behaviour would cause alarm or
distress. This is designed to catch those whose behaviour is specifically
intended to shock another person and would not be used to criminalise, for
example, naturists in regulated environments or streakers at sporting
events. The offence will carry a maximum penalty of 2 years imprisonment.
You would see that you are in fact incorrect. Do you not remember that I
also referred to the above in a comparrison between sex in public and
flashing, so you see one will get up to two year for showing their bits and
pieces in public so as to shock others but simply having sex is six months.
but you can't exactly have a shag without getting your tackle out can you?
Which do you suppose the authorties will go for?
So if you ask me there is a real flaw in the bill being offered in this new
paper.
Rotty
"RedOnRed" <r3d0...@v1rg3n.n0t> wrote in message
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RedOnRed
> Actually far be it for me to correct you but this group is about swinging
> and dogging is one aspect of that, though some might disagree.
>
> Then again when you feel that you can't cope with ideas above you ability
> and comprehension I notice you get the your off topic hat on.
Example oh eloquent one?
Rotty
> Example oh eloquent one?
I feel very honoured that you would find my writings so eloquent, I mean you
would not surely lower yourself to sarcasm would you.
I was reffering to the understanding of a concept and idea not one's ability
in English which is the first retreat when one is trying to put forward and
argument and losing it, that is drawing attention to the way a message is
written and not that which the message is written about.
so let me see what kind of an example would you like?
Rotty
sir.tony
RedOnRed
getting pedantic about. One thing's for sure - it won't be me going down for
it.
The sooner you lot are jailed and added to the sex offenders list the
better. At least that way we can all track your movements and vigilantes
(not me of course) can dish out our their own form of retribution and
justice. Not that I condone or subscribe to that.
"Rotty" <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Rotty
Women can go to night clubs and have as many men or women they can fit in in
a given time. Some people are naturally premiscuous and some are not and
neither you nor I hjave a right to judge them in any way for it.
Rotty
"sir.tony" <asb_commu...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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RedOnRed
>
> > Example oh eloquent one?
>
> I feel very honoured that you would find my writings so eloquent, I mean
you
> would not surely lower yourself to sarcasm would you.
>
> I was reffering to the understanding of a concept and idea not one's
ability
> in English which is the first retreat when one is trying to put forward
and
> argument and losing it, that is drawing attention to the way a message is
> written and not that which the message is written about.
If you re-read back a few postings you would see that my posting that
prompted your response was due to Boring continously trying to trivialise
our debates here with unrelated subjects.
I stick to the thread, others attempt to avoid debate by comparing it's
importance with more worldly issues.
Rotty
from para 77
It is also not our intention to criminalise sexual activity that takes place
outdoors but in an isolated place where one would reasonably expect not to
be observed.
78. We will introduce a new offence of Voyeurism to cover cases where a
person is secretly observed where he or she had a reasonable expectation of
privacy. This offence will apply where the voyeur intended to observe such
acts for their own sexual gratification or that of others. It will cover
cases where, for example, a peephole or camera is secretly installed. This
offence will carry a maximum penalty of two years imprisonment. We would
want cases where a photographer takes indecent photographs of someone
without their consent and for example posts them on the Internet or in a
pornographic magazine to be treated particularly seriously by the courts.
You see we do not secretly observe people, we are out to sopend time with
people that welcome our being there. when you consider the sentence from
para 77 you should ofcourse realise that we choose isolated places to visit,
places where it is quite possible to show that you had every reason to
believe that the people there would not be offended.
but no one will no for certain until the law is tried and tested, that is if
it ever makes it in this form to the statute books.
Rotty
"RedOnRed" <r3d0...@v1rg3n.n0t> wrote in message
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Rotty
out such failings and in turn is also considered off topic to do so.
then again perhaps this is too.
Rotty
boring
and dispensing their own form of "retribution" after those people have been
jailed and put on a sex-offenders list, suggests that you are the type of
person, who have in the past targetted paediatricians for their own
interpetation of justice!
Secondly you have been taken to task for posting inaccurately, and feel that
this is merely a technicality not worthy of mention........perhaps though as
you have no first hand experience of what you speak of, then it would seem
to me doubly important to make every effort to be accurate in what you are
trying to contend!
Finally if people such as yourself were to direct your anger toward those
leading our country, rather than consenting adults enjoying themselves, who
are having little effect on you, then perhaps it would be better
spent............unless of course you feel that the murder of thousands, is
of less import than your silly rantings regarding something you know nothing
about?
"RedOnRed" <r3d0...@v1rg3n.n0t> wrote in message
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RedOnRed
dogging and avoid prosecution it's only because you've gone to such lengths
to stay within the law to get your sexual thrills and if you go to such
lengths it equates to a perversion.
If you do dogging you're perverted. End of story.
No amount of mentioning WMD's, Iraq and 1000's getting killed can detract
and cloud the issue.
If you want to do it fine, but don't deny you're a sad desperate pervert
that takes high sexual risks to satisfy your kinky needs.
It's perverted, it's high risk and against the law. Just accept it so we can
stop going round in circles chasing our tails. I'm sure you'll still be able
to live with yourself - even if most of your family, friends, relatives and
work-mates can't.
.
"boring" <boring...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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sir.tony
very distorted picture about night clubbing. A lot of women do flirt and
shake their body, but never sleep around. That is a fact.
The women who go dogging will sleep with any man at them locations. They
don't care of them men are using a Condom(they are either very stupid or
deliberately infecting other people).
"Rotty" <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Not necessarily true
>
> Women can go to night clubs and have as many men or women they can fit in
in
> a given time. Some people are naturally promiscuous and some are not and
> neither you nor I have a right to judge them in any way for it.
Rotty
> dogging and avoid prosecution it's only because you've gone to such
lengths
> to stay within the law to get your sexual thrills and if you go to such
> lengths it equates to a perversion.
>
> If you do dogging you're perverted. End of story.
Thanks for the compliments.
Rotty
Rotty
sleep around more on these holidays and they are also less likely to have
considered the risks. So if you think the women over their don't sleep
around then you are kidding yourself and this is from someone who has
actually been there.
setting the obvious aside, i.e. aids, most of the other diseases are passed
orally and yet no one uses protection for any form of oral sex, well apart
from prostitutes.
Once again you speak from your own misguided beliefs.
Rotty
"sir.tony" <asb_commu...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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RedOnRed
Nothing personal.
I'm sure you can't help being a pervert and feeling sexually compelled to
play your high risk sex games.
RedOnRed
car park anyway?
How desperate do you have to be for Christ's sake?
"Rotty" <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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boring
understand exactly why this subject seems to getting you, and the
disgruntled moped riding cottager so wound up?
"RedOnRed" <r3d0...@v1rg3n.n0t> wrote in message
RedOnRed
ends up on the wrong side of the law and society, you've convinced
yourselves into thinking that nothing you are doing is wrong or offensive in
any way and have a complete failure to understand any sort of rational
objective criticism against what you are doing.
The difference between public and private areas is glaringly obvious to most
normal people. That's why normal people have sex in private.
"boring" <boring...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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boring
exactly are the reasons you are so wound up about dogging (especially when
you admit to having no first hand experience whatsoever).
"RedOnRed" <r3d0...@v1rg3n.n0t> wrote in message
boring
"RedOnRed" <r3d0...@v1rg3n.n0t> wrote in message
i wonder wht exactly you do for kicks..........cant be all that much fun
trolling on here!
RedOnRed
I get my kicks out of taking the piss out of sado perverts who are happy to
share their company with bestiality and paedophilia postings.
Fuck my wife, my daughter, my kid, my dog. Don't act high and mighty
pal...you'd be happy to do all at the same time given half a chance.
Wow, is that character profile starting to sound familiar...admit it, it
could be you.
Rotty
have a look if you like, best of luck. It's your choice!!!
"RedOnRed" <r3d0...@v1rg3n.n0t> wrote in message
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Rotty
mentioning such terrible things, perhaos you would do better to keep your
perverted fantasies to yourself and let others alone.
Rotty
boring
i would agree entirely m8.............seems this is one sad and lonely
individual, who appears to exist only in the twilight netherworld of the
type of things he repeatedly keeps mentioning!
finally as he contends that he gets his kicks by "taking the piss out of
sado (?) perverts" then perhaps we can take it that he doesnt ever have sex,
and this could be the reason for his unhealthy interest in subjects such as
child sex!
Dr Halonfire$
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>> insist on a tittilating temporary using of others. What a sad
>> pathetic excuse for human beings....which they are not. They are the
>> lowest form of reprobatia.
'Looking in the mirror again Dave?
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<DaveinI...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Nothing but a culture of pure Heathens. The animals in the forest have
> more intergrity and morality than these reprobate minds who insist on a
> tittilating temporary using of others. What a sad pathetic excuse for
> human beings....which they are not. They are the lowest form of
> reprobatia.
>
Take no notice of this little shit.
He is a mind-fucked fundamentalist bible basher who thinks that he has some
sort of divine right to interfere in the lives of others.
It has been conclusively been proven by contributors here that he is a
cheating, lying, hypocritical bigot who has enormous personal problems of
dysfunctionality. These have created in him a state of self-loathing that
he tries to assuage by attacking others.
Therefore, simply ignore his tragic bleatings.
....and have fun.