Re: importent question to readers of this group
Frank McCoy
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>Stories today.
>Today you can find a number of stories. Some free, some that you have
>to pay to see. Paedophilic, incest, etc. But to be honest: Most of the
>stories you can read are fantasies, not only because they have not
>happened, but also because they include elements that has nothing to
>do with reality. A young girl is forced to have sex but after 2
>minutes she loves it. That's not realistic!!!! Have nothing to do with
>it.
>
Who wants realism? Reality is *boring*.
Having sex the same old way with the same old wife in the same old
position at the same time of day; scheduled two weeks in advance. No
wonder so many people get divorced!
Or, we have the reality of *not* getting laid, week after sad and
lonely week. Again, who wants that.
Now a young girl *forced* into having sex, then "loving it" two
minutes later ... Sorry, but my imagination doesn't stretch that far.
A young girl *seeking* sex however, and fighting through the initial
pain of losing her virginity, "to get to the good part" she knows is
coming (because she's seen others having so much fun), now THAT I
could believe. Mainly because I remember all too well my own youth
and the stupid things *I* did while horny.
>Are you interested?
>In real stories? Realistic stories based on events that have taken
>place?
Why should anybody want *real* stories, when fantasies are so much
better? Rarely indeed does reality match fantasy, because in fantasy
ALL the little niggling problems go away.
The trouble with both trolling cops AND abusing child-molesters, is
that neither one has the brains to separate fantasy from reality. An
abusing child-molester actually convinces him/herself that a crying,
screaming, fighting child is "asking for it", while a trolling cop
actually convinces himself that sexual stories posted to newsgroups
are actually based on reality, or is a plan that the person telling
the story wants to happen.
About one in one-hundred "true stories" posted here have even the
slightest ring of reality in them. Far more of the ones labeled as
just "erotic stories" sound like truth. Reality of having sex is a
bunch of niggles:
"Does she really like me, or is she doing this because she feels
obligated?"
"Oh God, I hope my scar doesn't show!"
"Oh Jesus. He let a fart. How am I supposed to feel erotic after
that?"
"Ow! Damn. I missed. Now I'll NEVER get laid! She'll KNOW I'm a
virgin, and tell EVERYBODY!"
"Oh god. We've got to hurry before Mom gets home!"
"I hope he likes me after this."
"Why is she wiggling like that? Did I do something wrong?"
In a FANTASY, you don't HAVE all those niggles. You move, your
partner moves, and everything comes together. If you're trying to get
off, then leaving out all the little worries about extraneous things
like getting caught with your pants down, a missing or broken rubber,
does he/she really love you, are you coming across as sophisticated,
does he/she really like it, or just faking, etc., makes it MUCH easier
to concentrate on the sexy parts, instead of just wilting like in
Real-Life when your pants get stuck on your shoe while trying to get
undressed, and she leaves you stuck there while she heads back into
the living-room giggling at your clumsiness ... your whole night and
first chance to get laid shot to hell.
Why the fuck do you think people read stories anyway? Damned few
diaries are worth the effort it would take to burn them. What people
READ are fantasies, mysteries, adventures ... uncommon people having
uncommon fun or thrills with no danger to the person reading them. In
comparison, reality sucks.
"Adventure is somebody else having a hell of a tough time a long time
ago in a far away land." ... or something like that. Great to read
about, but Hell on the person doing it. Maybe something to reminisce
about 40 or 50 years later when you're unable to fight the savages any
more ... and tell your cute little grandniece who stares at you with
hero-worship when you tell how you saved the Stone of Zork for the
High Priestess of Kawaala. But not something you'd want to live
through again. The trouble is: The sort of person who'd actually
LIVE through such an adventurous life would likely be the LAST person
well-enough educated to tell the story in a fashion that anybody above
the IQ of idiot would want to read.
That's why we have authors writing fantasies.
Besides, in most cases reality sucks. Starvation, losing jobs,
getting put-down, snubbed, getting robbed blind, losing your house,
losing loved ones through cancer, fire, flood, Tsunami, disease,
divorce, etc.. Having your job of 20 years outsourced.
Fantasy is SO much better. There the Homecoming Queen has had a
serious letch for you for 20 years ... and you were just too shy to
speak up. In a fantasy, instead of being a dorky teenaged boy who
couldn't get a date on a bet, you're a sexy teenaged GIRL who can (and
DOES) lay any boy she wants as often as she wants, with not a single
worry about REAL problems (like AIDS, parents, pregnancy, STDs,
rubbers that break [or aren't available], boyfriends that cheat,
girlfriends that steal your beau, or a million others). If incest is
your fantasy, instead of worrying about getting caught, your parents
*encourage* you to have free and constant sex with other family
members ... and again, without the slightest worries about pregnancy,
STDs or other similar problems.
What does reality have to offer in comparison?
Well ... OK: Steady love for decades with a wife who loves you back.
No fantasy can compare with THAT reality.
But that doesn't make a very erotic jack-off fantasy.
>A new website with heterosexual paedophilic quality realistic stories?
>And are you ready to pay for the same? Everyone need bred and butter
>for what they do so …
>
Gee ... Where do they find all these trolls and cops who can't even
spell? A person supposedly intelligent enough to troll for pedophiles
and set up a website scam to rope them into admitting molesting
children ... and then not knowing the difference between "bred" and
"bread". Geesh. Not even done as a decent pun. ;-{
>Email us with your ideas. To sheepba...@yahoo.com
>
Yeah, right.
Even the name ....
>Jan
Uhuh.
Right again.
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"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.sex.stories Jan <sheepba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [SNIP]
>>Stories today.
>>Today you can find a number of stories. Some free, some that you
>>have
>>to pay to see. Paedophilic, incest, etc. But to be honest: Most of
>>the
>>stories you can read are fantasies, not only because they have not
>>happened, but also because they include elements that has nothing to
>>do with reality. A young girl is forced to have sex but after 2
>>minutes she loves it. That's not realistic!!!! Have nothing to do
>>with
>>it.
>>
> Who wants realism? Reality is *boring*.
To me it isn't so much that reality is boring, it's just that it is
non-boring in such shitty ways.
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>>for what they do so .
>>
> Gee ... Where do they find all these trolls and cops who can't even
> spell? A person supposedly intelligent enough to troll for
> pedophiles
> and set up a website scam to rope them into admitting molesting
> children ... and then not knowing the difference between "bred" and
> "bread". Geesh. Not even done as a decent pun. ;-{
>
>>Email us with your ideas. To sheepba...@yahoo.com
>>
> Yeah, right.
> Even the name ....
>
>>Jan
>
> Uhuh.
> Right again.
>
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Uther Pendragon
> "Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message
> news:bpo1t09vlu580r1ml...@4ax.com...
>> In alt.sex.stories Jan <sheepba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> [SNIP]
>>>Stories today.
>>>Today you can find a number of stories. Some free, some that you
>>>have
>>>to pay to see. Paedophilic, incest, etc. But to be honest: Most of
>>>the
>>>stories you can read are fantasies, not only because they have not
>>>happened, but also because they include elements that has nothing to
>>>do with reality. A young girl is forced to have sex but after 2
>>>minutes she loves it. That's not realistic!!!! Have nothing to do
>>>with
>>>it.
>>>
>> Who wants realism? Reality is *boring*.
>> position at the same time of day; scheduled two weeks in advance.
>> No
>> wonder so many people get divorced!
>>
Well, there is unrealistic fantasy. Then there is reality.
Then there is realISM.
I've made this point about dialog. A transcript of a real conversation
between intelligent people looks like the babbling of idiots. Too much
dialog in stories looks like the characters had the chance to go back and
'revise and correct.' The author has to strike a balance.
Similarly, a reasonably happy couple has a fair amount of good sex. It's
realistic to tell stories about the good sex of a reasonably happy couple.
I used to give this advice to authors: "Meet cute or don't meet." If you
are aiming to write good fiction, there is no reason to describe the
way the characters meet unless their meeting is, in fact, interesting in
and of itself. (See almost all of Dulcinea's stories, which have the
characters already in a relationship.)
Then I realised that I was confused about the goals of most of the authors
I was addressing. They were guys who weren't getting any and weren't in a
relationahip where they expected to get any. So they were imagining
themselves meeting a girl who would have sex with them. The meeting was a
critical part of the fantasy. And they were writing down their fantasies,
not imagining in order to write good fiction.
I'll note that ASS* is full of incredibly gorgeous sexy women who fall
hard for geeks. Women's romance novels are full of incredibly handsome
romantic men who fall hard for fairly ordinary women. (The heroines of
historical romances are gorgeous aristocrats; if the woman reader is going
to imagine herself someone else, why not someone gorgeous?)
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> Then I realised that I was confused about the goals of most of the authors
> I was addressing. They were guys who weren't getting any and weren't in a
> relationahip where they expected to get any. So they were imagining
> themselves meeting a girl who would have sex with them. The meeting was a
> critical part of the fantasy. And they were writing down their fantasies,
> not imagining in order to write good fiction.
IOW, if you aren't already in an 'ordinary relationship', however you
define it, The fantasy that often turns you on is exactly what some folks
think is not worth writing about...
An ordinary relationship, established in an ordinary way.
Some authors write *those* types of stories and are appreciated just as
much as the rest who write non-ordinary fantasies.
Oh. Yes. Those fantasies you mentioned can be written as good fiction,
the two are not exclusive of each other. (Didn't think you were implying
they were but some folks might read it that way.)
Hmmm... Reminds me of one of Alexis' long ago challenges. 'Write about
an ordinary situation and make it erotic.'
Might make a good 'Glad to know you're OK, Alexis and Gary - We miss you'
festival.
Uther Pendragon
> An ordinary relationship, established in an ordinary way.
> Some authors write *those* types of stories and are appreciated just as
> much as the rest who write non-ordinary fantasies.
> Oh. Yes. Those fantasies you mentioned can be written as good fiction,
> the two are not exclusive of each other. (Didn't think you were implying
> they were but some folks might read it that way.)
I didn't mean to imply that. Simply that -- like any other sort of story
-- you have to carve out events in order to get a story.
have to
> Hmmm... Reminds me of one of Alexis' long ago challenges. 'Write about
> an ordinary situation and make it erotic.'
And, despite some cynical comments, most ordinary situations in ordinary
marriages ARE erotic to the participants.
> Might make a good 'Glad to know you're OK, Alexis and Gary - We miss you'
> festival.
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I find it hard to express what I mean by "realism." Even when you're
married to the sexiest wooman in N. America and have the cutest baby in
the whole world, that baby shits in her diapers.
Even when your mother is a werewolf and your twin sister is a wolf, you
get in trouble if you don't pay property taxes.
spiro
but some people like to get laid.
So asside from small minded, small cocked pervs who hurt children; it would be
nice to find a way o get 18 year old pussy to sit on my 40 y.o. face.
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, Frank McCoy wrote:
> In alt.sex.stories Jan <sheepba...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [SNIP]
> >Stories today.
> >Today you can find a number of stories. Some free, some that you have
> >to pay to see. Paedophilic, incest, etc. But to be honest: Most of the
> >stories you can read are fantasies, not only because they have not
> >happened, but also because they include elements that has nothing to
> >do with reality. A young girl is forced to have sex but after 2
> >minutes she loves it. That's not realistic!!!! Have nothing to do with
> >it.
> >
> Who wants realism? Reality is *boring*.
> Having sex the same old way with the same old wife in the same old
> position at the same time of day; scheduled two weeks in advance. No
> wonder so many people get divorced!
>
> >for what they do so …
Frank McCoy
>yeah Frank,
>but some people like to get laid.
>So asside from small minded, small cocked pervs who hurt children; it would be
>nice to find a way o get 18 year old pussy to sit on my 40 y.o. face.
Yeah, right ... Like the man who divorced his 40-year-old wife so he
could make out with two 20-year-old girls. Only then he found out he
wasn't wired for 220. ;-}
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