Keepin' it Real(ish)
Selena Jardine
young thing like myself.) I've read a lot of comments, in the
FishTank and elewhere on this august newsgroup, about how tired people
are of reading about Perfect People. "Oh," they say, "thank you so
much for writing about someone fat/old/wrinkly/with an unpleasant
overbite, because I am so tired of reading about women with
magnificent scoops of flesh resting on their ribs, creamy skin,
perfect hips, beautiful pouting pink pussies, and excuse me just a
moment, I'll be right back."
Is this true? Are we really tired of reading about beautiful people?
I don't mean exaggeratedly perfect, of course -- the regulation
ten-inch cock surely makes everyone roll their eyes by now. But how
do we react when we read about someone with a roll of fat round her
middle, or stretch marks? What if he has a bald spot, or he's sixty,
or his biceps sag? How tired are we of beautiful people? And if we
are, why do we keep writing about them? Huh?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Selena
selena...@yahoo.com
Conjugate
"Selena Jardine" <selena...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I'm not tired of beautiful people. But then, perhaps that's because I have
so few day-to-day interactions with them. Present company excluded, of
course.
Conjugate
Vinnie Tesla
I reached a policy decision that I expect to stick to for the rest of my
writing career.
When describing characters who I intend to be sexy, I do not describe
their appearance in negative terms, even when their shapes are
non-standard. Most of the women I write about have big soft asses and
don't shave under their arms, because that's generally what I like, and
I'm writing to enjoy myself. It's tempting shorthand to describe a
character in terms of her deviation from the cultural norm, but once you
do that, there are two people in the room where once there was one: your
character, and the Barbie doll she isn't.
All the lovely physical descriptions in the second half of you quote are
entirely compatable with Imperfect People. The question is merely where
you want to put your emphasis.
I'm kind of embarassed to realize that I haven't done extensive physical
description of a single man yet. Maybe I can slip in some more info
about Corky's appearance somewhere...
On 22 Apr 2002 17:55:54 -0700, quoth the selena...@yahoo.com (Selena
Jardine):
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-Vinnie
vinnie...@yahoo.com
http://www.asstr.org/~vinnie_tesla/
He polishes birds of the Vista
Vinnie Tesla
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:46:16 GMT, quoth the vinnie...@yahoo.com
(Vinnie Tesla):
Frank Downey
"Conjugate" <conj...@butter.toast.net> wrote in message
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> Just keepin' it curly(ish).
>
> "Selena Jardine" <selena...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b653f8ec.02042...@posting.google.com...
> > So I was thinking. (Oh dear, what a dangerous occupation for a sweet
> > young thing like myself.) I've read a lot of comments, in the
> > FishTank and elewhere on this august newsgroup, about how tired people
> > are of reading about Perfect People. "Oh," they say, "thank you so
> > much for writing about someone fat/old/wrinkly/with an unpleasant
> > overbite, because I am so tired of reading about women with
> > magnificent scoops of flesh resting on their ribs, creamy skin,
> > perfect hips, beautiful pouting pink pussies, and excuse me just a
> > moment, I'll be right back."
> >
> > Is this true? Are we really tired of reading about beautiful people?
> > I don't mean exaggeratedly perfect, of course -- the regulation
> > ten-inch cock surely makes everyone roll their eyes by now. But how
> > do we react when we read about someone with a roll of fat round her
> > middle, or stretch marks? What if he has a bald spot, or he's sixty,
> > or his biceps sag? How tired are we of beautiful people? And if we
> > are, why do we keep writing about them? Huh?
> >
> > Inquiring minds want to know.
Hmm. Good topic.
One of the things is that people's definition of "perfect" varies. And, I
don't just mean in a sexual context, either. Sometimes yes, but sometimes in
other contexts.
I've toyed with this a bit in my novel. My female heroine, Sophia, is 5'8"
with D-cup breasts and an hourglass figure. She's not fat, but she's got
curves.
"Perfect"? In my eyes, yes, because I like tall curvy brunettes (redheads,
too, but Soph's a brunette <G>). However, Sophia is an ice dancer. In the
world of ice dance--not just the fictional one, I'm a skating fan, and this
holds true IRL too--Sophia is *huge*. And, yes, I've played with this a
bit--and am about to play with it some more. You see Sophia walking down the
street, you'd say "wow!". However, when you see her skating across the ice,
you say "Wow, is she *huge*!" Ice dancers are allowed to be tall--other
female figure skaters often can't even get away with that--but many of them
are toothpicks.
I just revealed in the second-to-last chapter that Sophia has been
asked--and has agreed--to pose for and do an interview with Maxim. In other
words, she's decided to flaunt what she's got, just a wee bit. And how
*that* plays in the "she's not anorexic, she's naturally 5'6" and 100
pounds, really" world of ice dancing is something I intend to explore.
You're "perfect" in one context, much less so in another. Same person, same
body, different definitions. That's one way to approach it, I suppose <G>.
My taste in women tends to the Ruebenesque, so I *do* read BBW stories.
There were a couple recently posted on ASSM that I liked. "Beautiful" by
*my* definition, but not by others', I'm sure.
--Frank
Jeff Zephyr
Jardine) wrote:
{just adding ASSD curlies}
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Jeff
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There is nothing more important than petting the cat.
Jeff Zephyr
Jardine) wrote:
If the people have fun in the tale, I think it is just great.
As for why we write about them, well, some of it is just illusions.
A story I read, science fiction, can't recall all but the big plot
thing is a device which duplicates a man. It requires an operator,
and the combination of the real person and the operator's input
generates the copy. Well, the copy -- the hero in the tale, they
needed more than one to do the mission -- made with the aid of one
lady turns out more attractive than the real man. But when the time
comes to go home, the more studly copy explains that she seems the
*real* man like that. So he can go home, knowing that his love
idolizes him, and won't notice or care that he isn't as perfect as his
sexier duplicate.
On the whole beautiful people thing, I think that some of it is just
that sort of thing. The people we write about look like we imagine,
not how they are. Being in love makes everyone look beautiful.
Still, on the real sides, a lot of stories are set with relatively
youthful people. A lot of the more adventuresome, less settled sex
life things happen then. Later on, even if we might have
opportunities, we have a tendency to avoid them (if in a steady
relationship anyway).
But are all young people beautiful? I mean, they aren't going to
have age spots or be balding, on average, but they aren't all going to
be the prom king/queen sports star, model, cheerleader sorts. Are
they?
I don't know. Are my people all perfect and beautiful? I know I
tend to adore my lover characters, but I also know that I'm not one to
give long lists of attractive details, so it can be hard to say how
they really look.
Norm DePloom
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| Curlified.
|
| On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:46:16 GMT, quoth the vinnie...@yahoo.com
| (Vinnie Tesla):
|
| >While working on my first story of substantial length ("TINASAAndrew"),
| >I reached a policy decision that I expect to stick to for the rest of my
| >writing career.
| >
| >When describing characters who I intend to be sexy, I do not describe
| >their appearance in negative terms, even when their shapes are
| >non-standard. Most of the women I write about have big soft asses and
| >don't shave under their arms, because that's generally what I like, and
| >I'm writing to enjoy myself. It's tempting shorthand to describe a
| >character in terms of her deviation from the cultural norm, but once you
| >do that, there are two people in the room where once there was one: your
| >character, and the Barbie doll she isn't.
| >
| >All the lovely physical descriptions in the second half of you quote are
| >entirely compatable with Imperfect People. The question is merely where
| >you want to put your emphasis.
| >
| >I'm kind of embarassed to realize that I haven't done extensive physical
| >description of a single man yet. Maybe I can slip in some more info
| >about Corky's appearance somewhere...
| >
Eve though I know what my characters look like I, generally, avoid
describing them, other than sex and age, unless some physical feature of the
character is important to the story. I'm generally in favor of letting the
reader imagine whatever man/woman they prefer.
--
Norm DePloom
Campus Crusade for Cthulhu
When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.
THE YOUNG BRITISH SOLDIER
By Rudyard Kipling
;-})>
Katie McN
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:48:52 -0500 I noticed your interesting post:
>On 22 Apr 2002 17:55:54 -0700, selena...@yahoo.com (Selena
>Jardine) wrote:
>
>{just adding ASSD curlies}
>
>>So I was thinking. (Oh dear, what a dangerous occupation for a sweet
>>young thing like myself.) I've read a lot of comments, in the
>>FishTank and elewhere on this august newsgroup, about how tired people
>>are of reading about Perfect People. "Oh," they say, "thank you so
>>much for writing about someone fat/old/wrinkly/with an unpleasant
>>overbite, because I am so tired of reading about women with
>>magnificent scoops of flesh resting on their ribs, creamy skin,
>>perfect hips, beautiful pouting pink pussies, and excuse me just a
>>moment, I'll be right back."
>>
>>Is this true? Are we really tired of reading about beautiful people?
>>I don't mean exaggeratedly perfect, of course -- the regulation
>>ten-inch cock surely makes everyone roll their eyes by now. But how
>>do we react when we read about someone with a roll of fat round her
>>middle, or stretch marks? What if he has a bald spot, or he's sixty,
>>or his biceps sag? How tired are we of beautiful people? And if we
>>are, why do we keep writing about them? Huh?
>>
>>Inquiring minds want to know.
>>
I wrote a story called "Friends" where two middle aged women took
advantage of their positions as entertainment agents to get young guys
to do what they would not do otherwise.
Just like many others, I like cute young things who haven't been down
the highway of life all that far. My sexual pref is FF as many know.
Yet the story turned me on while I was writing it and I usually don't
get turned on by my own stories; not older people having sex; and,
certainly not guy sex.
Many people wrote to me after they read the story and I didn't receive a
single complaint about the age of the people. Many fans thought the idea
of two women having a casting couch a lot of fun.
Uther sometimes writes stories where the main characters seem to be
older than the ones I write about for the most part. He doesn't spend
time explaining that they recently had complete body transplants or
massive plastic surgery. He is a popular author so it seems to me there
is a group of people who do want to read about people just like
themselves.
--
It's Me Katie McN
Read My Stories at:
www.asstr.org/~Katie_McN/
Uther Pendragon
> On 22 Apr 2002 17:55:54 -0700, selena...@yahoo.com (Selena
> Jardine) wrote:
[snips throughout]
>> So I was thinking. (Oh dear, what a dangerous occupation for a sweet
>> young thing like myself.) I've read a lot of comments, in the
>> FishTank and elewhere on this august newsgroup, about how tired people
>> are of reading about Perfect People. "Oh," they say, "thank you so
>> much for writing about someone fat/old/wrinkly/with an unpleasant
>> overbite, because I am so tired of reading about women with
>> magnificent scoops of flesh resting on their ribs, creamy skin,
>> perfect hips, beautiful pouting pink pussies, and excuse me just a
>> moment, I'll be right back."
>>
>> Is this true? Are we really tired of reading about beautiful people?
>> I don't mean exaggeratedly perfect, of course -- the regulation
>> ten-inch cock surely makes everyone roll their eyes by now. But how
>> do we react when we read about someone with a roll of fat round her
>> middle, or stretch marks? What if he has a bald spot, or he's sixty,
>> or his biceps sag? How tired are we of beautiful people? And if we
>> are, why do we keep writing about them? Huh?
> On the whole beautiful people thing, I think that some of it is
> just that sort of thing. The people we write about look like we
> imagine, not how they are. Being in love makes everyone look
> beautiful.
>
> But are all young people beautiful? I mean, they aren't going
> to have age spots or be balding, on average, but they aren't all
> going to be the prom king/queen sports star, model, cheerleader
> sorts. Are they?
I think the first paragraph illustrates the truth. When Bob says
that Jeanette is the most beautiful (or the sexiest) woman in
North America, you aren't supposed to take him literally.
Similarly, when Jeanette says that during her pregnancy she was
"retaining more water than Lake Michigan" she isn't to be taken
literally either. These are subjective descriptions.
What is tiring is descriptions of physical traits which are
supposed to make the reader see them as desirable. I'll admit
that I've done a few of these; I'll probably do a few of them
in later stories. Still and all, many of mine deal with the
sexiness of something that women often don't see as sexy in
themselves.
"Where she's narrow, she's narrow as an arrow; and she's broad
where a broad should be broad."
I really don't think that literal descriptions turn many people
on. They also raise the danger of the reader seeing John, not as
in love/lust with Mary, but as looking for a girl who looks sexy.
(Neneh raised that question WRT "Wrapped Attention." "Is he in
love with her or with her breasts?" Well, he was in love with
her; he was also in love with her firm, but small, breasts.)
And, of course, if a lot of writers on ASSD say that they are
tired of stories about beautiful people, and a lot of writers on
ASSM write stories about beautiful people, it doesn't follow that
the *same* people are writing about beautiful people and
complaining about those stories.
--
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john
> I really don't think that literal descriptions turn many people
> on. They also raise the danger of the reader seeing John, not as
> in love/lust with Mary, but as looking for a girl who looks sexy.
> And, of course, if a lot of writers on ASSD say that they are
> tired of stories about beautiful people, and a lot of writers on
> ASSM write stories about beautiful people, it doesn't follow that
> the *same* people are writing about beautiful people and
> complaining about those stories.
I'm sure some readers enjoy reading and some writers attempt writing
"beautifully" about people: literally, figuratively, fancifully, or
realistically, most probably with elements of all those styles present
in varying degrees. My personal turn-on is literal and real, but
there's a good chance I'm weird.
John
...more than willing to risk an explicit look at Mary