Afterglow
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Subject: Afterglow
I have just had (well, Monday) one most enjoyable experiences, and simply
must share with you all. In the way of background, I have visited on a
semi-regular basis, a woman for coffee, computer talk, and some occasional
sm-play. She has a small, but sufficient toy box.
I dropped in on Monday. Entering the living room, her toy box is neatly spread
out on the floor, but has grown (interesting word there), in fact, doubled in
size. I'm bent over admiring the addition of a half dozen pieces of chain, a
dozen double clips, several pieces of webbing, etc. when I see her looking
repeatedly from me to the wall behind me. Turning around I come face to face
with "the X frame". Now this is going to be fun.
After a cup of coffee (we do have coffee) I soon found myself being fastened to
the wrist cuffs hanging from the frame. Added a spreader for the ankles also
attached to the frame. A collar made me think I would become more throughly
attached to the frame, but no, the whip started. Slowly at first, some light
touches from something...maybe just the end of the whip...then more of what the
whip was meant for. Ouch! that was C O L D! Felt like a hand, but where has
it been? More whip. I'm really getting into this, no pain, just a mellow
feeling...I can rest my head on the frame, but must'nt fall asleep...ah,
a little harder with that whip.
The whip stops...
fumbling with my nipples...clamps, alligator clips with protectors, won't
say anything about taking them off, don't want to be distracted from the whip.
They fall off a couple times, still won't offer the obvious solution, get back
on that whip! Soon its over...45 minutes have vanished, leaving only a warm
back and mellow feeling as I'm helped down from the frame.
Owing to our lack of bottoms in sufficient quantity for our tops, (or was this
a lack of tops?) I must
recover and return the favor to my previous tormentor. I will make her part of
that frame! Wrist, ankles, thighs strapped to the frame. Upper arms chained
to the frame. Collar with a chain down the back, between the legs, and
attached to the two upper arm chains. If she moves her arms, she will rub
herself. She is still a bit mellow from whipping last week, and a small cut is
healing from a weekend whip. Should be able to get some exercise here as well
as a satisfied bottom.
Several minutes of the cat-o-ten with tied doubles. My hands are cold anyway,
return that treat. Tickle with the whip ends. Hammer head pressed into the
small of the back is a cool experience. I find I can really swing the whip.
Can I just hit the chain hanging down her back? Yes! And hard too! If I get
too close, only the ends of the whip hit the back, ok. Lets try to beat one
spot...6 strokes later a protest...ok, I'll move around...pushy bottom!
How time flys...a check of her state confirms enough is enough. Help her down
slowly, I remember how tired my arms were.
Hope you all enjoyed as much as we did.
Parties don't have to be big to be fun.
Play hard and play safe.
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Stephanie P. Gilgut
>
>Subject: Afterglow
I can't let this go by... (Especially since I told him I would followup if
he posted it...8-) )
>
>Turning around I come face to face
>with "the X frame". Now this is going to be fun.
Yes and the look on your face was priceless! You had been after me to make one
for so long, and this party I was at a couple weekends ago really inspired me
and the rest is history.
>
>Ouch! that was C O L D! Felt like a hand,
So here I have dashed to the frezer after ice, only to find I have none.
By the time I carried the dry ice container back, my hand was just right 8-)
>Hammer head pressed into the
You forgot to mention what I did you with the hammer first...
(Thanks, whoever gave me that idea from early on at the other party...)
>I find I can really swing the whip.
You need practice 8-) the only marks I had were from the chains on
my upper arms... (Darn, Hint Hint....)
>Lets try to beat one
>spot...6 strokes later a protest...ok, I'll move around...pushy bottom!
Ahh yeah, forgot to tell you - (and anyone else whoever tops me) Repeat
strikes in the same spot turn it from pleasure to pain real fast...
Not a squick, but a definate shutdown of the fun.
>Hope you all enjoyed as much as we did.
So when are you coming over again? 8-)
Steph, putting the coffee on...
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Philip Brown
|>
|> After a cup of coffee (we do have coffee) I soon found myself being fastened to
|> the wrist cuffs hanging from the frame. Added a spreader for the ankles also
|> attached to the frame. A collar made me think I would become more throughly
|> attached to the frame, but no, the whip started. Slowly at first, some light
|> touches from something...maybe just the end of the whip...then more of what the
|> whip was meant for. Ouch! that was C O L D! Felt like a hand, but where has
|> it been? More whip. I'm really getting into this, no pain, just a mellow
|> feeling...I can rest my head on the frame, but must'nt fall asleep...ah,
|> a little harder with that whip.
|>
|>
|> Several minutes of the cat-o-ten with tied doubles. My hands are cold anyway,
|> return that treat. Tickle with the whip ends. Hammer head pressed into the
|> small of the back is a cool experience. I find I can really swing the whip.
|> Can I just hit the chain hanging down her back? Yes! And hard too! If I get
|> too close, only the ends of the whip hit the back, ok. Lets try to beat one
|> spot...6 strokes later a protest...ok, I'll move around...pushy bottom!
|> How time flys...a check of her state confirms enough is enough. Help her down
|> slowly, I remember how tired my arms were.
|>
|> Hope you all enjoyed as much as we did.
|> Parties don't have to be big to be fun.
|> Play hard and play safe.
|>
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Reminds me to ask something very important, that I DON'T think is on the FAQ.
WHIPPING:
sounds like some people like it hard.
correct me if I'm wrong.. whipping IS supposed to be torture, right??
for hundred of years, it was used as severe torture. people have even DIED from
harsh enough whippings, yah?
I was presuming that "whipping" in this groups sense, was somehow
"light" whipping.
do some people just have more tolerance? tougher hide?
(no nerves??)
I WANNA KNOW!
Philip
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Young Rob Jellinghaus
>correct me if I'm wrong.. whipping IS supposed to be torture, right??
>for hundred of years, it was used as severe torture. people have even DIED from
>harsh enough whippings, yah?
Yeah, and slavery used to be nonconsensual ruin for thousands of helpless
human beings doomed to lives of misery. Your point?
>do some people just have more tolerance? tougher hide?
>(no nerves??)
You got it, Philip. Different strokes for different folks. I personally
am a lightweight; a few swats from a cat and I'm squirming all over the
place. But I have friends who are much more used to pain than I am, and
whose limits are way further out than mine are; a scene that would have
me yelling "RED!!!" just puts a nice dreamy smile on their faces.
It's not no nerves, it's just more tolerance.
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Gail L. Grant
|>In article <khkrjq...@agate.berkeley.edu> pbr...@ocf.berkeley.edu (Philip Brown) writes:
|>>correct me if I'm wrong.. whipping IS supposed to be torture, right??
it depends on the whipper and the whippee.
|>>for hundred of years, it was used as severe torture. people have even DIED from
|>>harsh enough whippings, yah?
but they had no choice and were SUPPOSED to die. that was the purpose of the
whipping. purpose has alot to do with perception. when chac whipped me in
our first scene, he wasn't out to kill me, but to help me let go. he
accomplished that admirably, to the point that i walked around glowing for
four days afterwards and can still muster a glow from the memory. the purpose
of the whipping was key.
|>>do some people just have more tolerance? tougher hide?
|>>(no nerves??)
it isn't just a matter of tolerance. it is a matter of caring, trust and
willing submission. i can take more pain from chac's hand than from another's.
has to do with the level of trust. and the level keeps getting deeper. but
here is the bottom line: he makes the pain beautiful for me. how? got me.
just know that he does. so it has nothing to do with thick hide or anything
other than the well-cherished power-over coming from centered, freely given
power-to and the energy that flows between.
In article <82...@autodesk.COM>, rob...@Autodesk.COM (Young Rob Jellinghaus) writes:
|>You got it, Philip. Different strokes for different folks. I personally
|>am a lightweight; a few swats from a cat and I'm squirming all over the
|>place.
from the wrong person, i won't even take that. the shallower my trust, the
thinner my hide, so to speak.
|>But I have friends who are much more used to pain than I am, and
|>whose limits are way further out than mine are; a scene that would have
|>me yelling "RED!!!" just puts a nice dreamy smile on their faces.
|>
|>It's not no nerves, it's just more tolerance.
i think you're missing the point, rob. i don't think it has to do with
tolerance, but with trust and giving. but i could be wrong, since i'm not
really into pain but submission. other opinions?
blossom.
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Beverly T Block
> In article <82...@autodesk.COM>, rob...@Autodesk.COM (Young Rob Jellinghaus) writes:
>
> |>In article <khkrjq...@agate.berkeley.edu> pbr...@ocf.berkeley.edu (Philip Brown) writes:
>
>>>do some people just have more tolerance? tougher hide?
>>>(no nerves??)
>
> it isn't just a matter of tolerance. it is a matter of caring, trust and
> willing submission. i can take more pain from chac's hand than from another's.
> has to do with the level of trust. and the level keeps getting deeper. but
> here is the bottom line: he makes the pain beautiful for me. how? got me.
> just know that he does. so it has nothing to do with thick hide or anything
> other than the well-cherished power-over coming from centered, freely given
> power-to and the energy that flows between.
Actually, a lot of it *is* tolerance, either learned or inate. I was
deeper in my first whipping (and wanted *more* damn it! ;-) than some
people who've been doing it for a long time: I'm a heavy masochist.
Even so, I can take a lot more now than I could have then; I've learned
how to take the stimulus of the whip and turn into things other than
pain...
> In article <82...@autodesk.COM>, rob...@Autodesk.COM (Young Rob Jellinghaus) writes:
>
>>You got it, Philip. Different strokes for different folks. I personally
>>am a lightweight; a few swats from a cat and I'm squirming all over the
>>place.
>>
>>But I have friends who are much more used to pain than I am, and
>>whose limits are way further out than mine are; a scene that would have
>>me yelling "RED!!!" just puts a nice dreamy smile on their faces.
>>
>>It's not no nerves, it's just more tolerance.
>
> i think you're missing the point, rob. i don't think it has to do with
> tolerance, but with trust and giving. but i could be wrong, since i'm not
> really into pain but submission. other opinions?
Giggle. This reminds me of the first time Josh was whipped by our
Liege. Josh and I had been playing for about a month, and bottoming
was pretty new to him. I'd whipped him a little, but this was at
a whole new level (his comment afterward was "And I thought I'd
been whipped!"). After a thorough whipping, he purred through the
application of quite a lot of candle wax to his reddened back.
While we were getting ready to leave, Josh looked at me and said "I'm
still not sure I'm a masochist." I laughed, and our Liege responded
"He's still in training."
Rob has bottomed to some very expert tops; he knows all about trust
and giving. He's just not a masochist; bottoming does different things
for him. I haven't actually seen you play, but I suspect you're "not
into pain" the same way Josh is. ;-)
Beverly
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Gail L. Grant
|>In article <1991Nov9.0...@PA.dec.com>, gr...@glg.pa.dec.com (Gail L. Grant) writes:
|>> In article <82...@autodesk.COM>, rob...@Autodesk.COM (Young Rob Jellinghaus) writes:
|>>
|>> |>In article <khkrjq...@agate.berkeley.edu> pbr...@ocf.berkeley.edu (Philip Brown) writes:
|>>
|>>>>do some people just have more tolerance? tougher hide?
|>>>>(no nerves??)
|>>
|>> it isn't just a matter of tolerance. it is a matter of caring, trust and
|>> willing submission. i can take more pain from chac's hand than from another's.
|>> has to do with the level of trust. and the level keeps getting deeper. but
|>> here is the bottom line: he makes the pain beautiful for me. how? got me.
|>> just know that he does. so it has nothing to do with thick hide or anything
|>> other than the well-cherished power-over coming from centered, freely given
|>> power-to and the energy that flows between.
|>
|>Actually, a lot of it *is* tolerance, either learned or inate. I was
|>deeper in my first whipping (and wanted *more* damn it! ;-) than some
|>people who've been doing it for a long time: I'm a heavy masochist.
i don't know why the term tolerance squicks me, but it does. i looked in my
handy dandy dictionary and the definitions are all right-on, but then i looked
down a word and saw tolerate and i think that is the source of the squick. i
see tolerance/tolerate as putting up with something. and that isn't part of
the space i go to. if either bev or rob had said it is a matter of limits,
i'd have agreed. guess i'm just caught on a term that bothers me. guess it
is sort of like the term queer bothering me. not because of anything to do
with the word, but because a kid named bruce quear gave me untold grief in
school. tolerance does the same thing. ah, well. your observations are
correct, m'dear. i just couldn't get past the word.
|>Even so, I can take a lot more now than I could have then; I've learned
|>how to take the stimulus of the whip and turn into things other than
|>pain...
i think that is part of what i was trying to get at...don't know. newbie alert.
|>> In article <82...@autodesk.COM>, rob...@Autodesk.COM (Young Rob Jellinghaus) writes:
|>>
|>>>You got it, Philip. Different strokes for different folks. I personally
|>>>am a lightweight; a few swats from a cat and I'm squirming all over the
|>>>place.
|>>>
|>>>But I have friends who are much more used to pain than I am, and
|>>>whose limits are way further out than mine are; a scene that would have
|>>>me yelling "RED!!!" just puts a nice dreamy smile on their faces.
|>>>
|>>>It's not no nerves, it's just more tolerance.
|>>
|>> i think you're missing the point, rob. i don't think it has to do with
|>> tolerance, but with trust and giving. but i could be wrong, since i'm not
|>> really into pain but submission. other opinions?
|>
|>Rob has bottomed to some very expert tops; he knows all about trust
|>and giving. He's just not a masochist; bottoming does different things
|>for him. I haven't actually seen you play, but I suspect you're "not
|>into pain" the same way Josh is. ;-)
i didn't mean to imply that rob was "wrong," just that the way i'm connected,
the level of pain me/myself/i(NOT ANYONE ELSE) could take has alot to do with
trust. the more i trust, the more i can take, APART from tolerance or limits.
no, i'd go even further: trust CHANGES my limits on a regular basis. yes,
i'm a newbie and haven't had that much experience, but i've already seen it
happen to me several times, in ways too personal to describe in a newsgroup.
please forgive me, rob, if you thought i was saying you HAD to be into pain.
didn't mean to imply that or impugn what is right for you.
Young Rob Jellinghaus
>i didn't mean to imply that rob was "wrong," just that the way i'm connected,
>the level of pain me/myself/i(NOT ANYONE ELSE) could take has alot to do with
>trust. the more i trust, the more i can take, APART from tolerance or limits.
>no, i'd go even further: trust CHANGES my limits on a regular basis. yes,
>i'm a newbie and haven't had that much experience, but i've already seen it
>happen to me several times, in ways too personal to describe in a newsgroup.
>
>please forgive me, rob, if you thought i was saying you HAD to be into pain.
>didn't mean to imply that or impugn what is right for you.
I didn't think that for a minute. In fact, after reading your post I
realized you were right, and even more so there was another factor I
hadn't mentioned.
I'm not a Masochist; pain isn't one of the things I enjoy most about
SM. But I can get very VERY into a pain scene if the top, and the
time, is right. I know what you're saying about trust being a
limits-expander; I've been there. And another thing that expands my
limits is playing with someone who _knows_ what they're doing. There
really is a rhythm to a flogging or hot-wax or whatever scene;
starting slow and building up, in waves which peak and then fall back
and then begin again, really is a very effective way to get your
bottom into the flow, and to relax them and make them able to handle a
level of pressure way above what they could have when you started the
scene an hour ago. And that relaxation will be more likely if your
bottom trusts you.
Even so, I seriously doubt whether any amount of trust and time in
scene could get me (1991 me, that is)to the point where I could handle
a whipping of the kind that Bev dealt out to Josh at the Halloween
party; you know the one of which I speak, Gail? It was quite
impressive! That's what Bev means when she says Josh is a Masochist
and I'm not. (I capitalize the word because I am a masochist--I do
understand pain/pleasure to some degree, and I can play with them,
but I'm not (yet) way into them like Bev and Josh.)
Gail L. Grant
|>>i didn't mean to imply that rob was "wrong," just that the way i'm connected,
|>>the level of pain me/myself/i(NOT ANYONE ELSE) could take has alot to do with
|>>trust. the more i trust, the more i can take, APART from tolerance or limits.
|>>no, i'd go even further: trust CHANGES my limits on a regular basis. yes,
|>>i'm a newbie and haven't had that much experience, but i've already seen it
|>>happen to me several times, in ways too personal to describe in a newsgroup.
|>>
|>>please forgive me, rob, if you thought i was saying you HAD to be into pain.
|>>didn't mean to imply that or impugn what is right for you.
|>
|>I didn't think that for a minute. In fact, after reading your post I
|>realized you were right, and even more so there was another factor I
|>hadn't mentioned.
whew! i'm glad you didn't think i was downing you. also pleased that you
agree. ;-)
|>I'm not a Masochist; pain isn't one of the things I enjoy most about
|>SM.
i agree. i'm not a Masochist either, just a masochist. i'm into submission
and pain tends to be a handy-dandy way to submit because i DON'T like it alot.
if i liked it too much, it wouldn't feel the same....
|>But I can get very VERY into a pain scene if the top, and the
|>time, is right. I know what you're saying about trust being a
|>limits-expander; I've been there. And another thing that expands my
|>limits is playing with someone who _knows_ what they're doing. There
|>really is a rhythm to a flogging or hot-wax or whatever scene;
|>starting slow and building up, in waves which peak and then fall back
|>and then begin again, really is a very effective way to get your
|>bottom into the flow, and to relax them and make them able to handle a
|>level of pressure way above what they could have when you started the
|>scene an hour ago. And that relaxation will be more likely if your
|>bottom trusts you.
yes, yes, exactly. experience makes a big difference. someone who has been
doing it for ten years just has more experience and, as a bottom, you can
feel that. at least i can. sounds like you can too.
|>Even so, I seriously doubt whether any amount of trust and time in
|>scene could get me (1991 me, that is)to the point where I could handle
|>a whipping of the kind that Bev dealt out to Josh at the Halloween
|>party; you know the one of which I speak, Gail? It was quite
|>impressive!
yes, i know the scene you mean. and that is a good illustration of my point:
i would have said that i couldn't take that much. but, i ended up taking
even more than that over a much longer period of time. why? the trust
i felt for the top expanded my limits. my limits moved, not out of tolerance,
but out of trust and caring. and that is a wonderful feeling.
so it doesn't really matter WHERE your limits are, rob. one isn't "better"
than the other, just different. what matters is that you are willing to
push them in submission to a top you trust.