From: "Pamela Fitzpatrick" <p.f...@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Foul Language in Post
Date: 1999/06/25
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DHTML <DH...@private.com> wrote in article
<3772EA4D.5264B...@private.com>...
> Pamela Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > 
> > The internet is for *everyone* and for you to suggest the type of
reverse
> > censorship that you are <troll that you may be> is in of itself
childish.
> 
> 
> So not conforming to your ideal is "childish".  Oh, excuse ME.  Let's do
> everything YOU want to do .

I would suggest that you take a course in *comprehension* of the English
language. You are either deliberately side-stepping what I wrote or have
not grasped the ability to read and comprehend what you have read.


> > I believe people on a basic level deserve to be treated with respect
and
> > decently. You have made choices to the other extreme (so it appears).
You
> 
> 
> The only "crime" was being different than a small coterie of catish
> people.

Nope, that is not the "crime". You know it. You also have not read what I
wrote. I will once again suggest that you *read* what is written. Put your
agenda aside for 10 seconds and just *read* what is written regarding the
recent behavior on the ng from you and your cohorts. The level of
immaturity that you have demonstrated does absolutely nothing to forward
your "cause". But you are a troll. Trolls do not do postings to actually
*prove* anything other then how many responses that they can get from a
post of theirs. 

> > have also expected others to conform to *you* which is selfishness at
it's
> > best. The vision I have of *you* is the bull in the china shop. You are
too
> > selfish to understand that *you* are not the center of the universe. 
> 
> 
> And neither is your self-rightous and self-serving ideals.

 
> >And
> > that because we don't conform to *you* then you have the right to
stampede
> > around like a moron/jerk/ass.
> 
> 
> NAME CALLING!! NAME CALLING!!! Now *that's* childish!  Sheesh.

"like a" ... not name calling. The analogy was for illustrative purposes
only. You really need to take a bit of time and read what is posted. But
you are a troll and you are only posting to bait.

> > Maybe this is where you get your jollies and think that you can be the
boor
> > that you are not allowed to be in Real Life....but a big surprise here,
> > people do use the internet for real reasons, not because they don't
have a
> > life <as you appear to be the example>.
> 
> 
> Yet another ad hominem. Pamela, this really isn't about *right* or
> *wrong*, is it?  This is really about what you *LIKE* and what you
> *DON'T LIKE*.  Please do not confuse these two concepts, for it will
> only make you look stupid.

Not an ad hominem. Your examples of posting behavior appear to suggest that
you don't have a life...or a conscious. If so, you would have demonstrated
either by backing off and going someplace else, demonstrating *responsible*
behavior. By the way, twisting this all to be back on me is a rather
ineffective method of argument. This is about inappropriate
behavior/posting on *your* part. Your lack of manners and consideration to
a newsgroup and the people that post here. Would you go so far as to
demonstrate similar behavior on a newsgroup regarding recovery from rape?
From your behavior you have exhibited so far, that would be a yes reply.

And to further illustrate the point I am making. I would never consider
going to a newsgroup for the sole purpose of disrupting it. I personally
find that behavior repulsive and a waste of time. I have better things to
do with my life. I also have a considerable respect for this technology
(newsgroups as an example) to pull the type of behavior that you seem to
think you have the *right* to do. 

> > I came onto this newsgroup because I needed the information that is
> > available here. I did not come here to have the type of childish
behavior
> > that has been exhibited here by *you* and your ilk. From what I can
tell,
> 
> You have reverted to namecalling, so you have therefore exhibited
> childish behavior yourself.

What about addressing the issue of needing the information here...or were
you too busy trying to figure out an appropriate break to insert you
"commentary"?

> > the ISP cancelled service do the violations of the conditions of the
> > agreement. It had nothing to do with stifling free speech because the
> > person signed up with the service *knowingly*.
> 
> It had everything to do with free speech.  It had to do with what you
> LIKE and what you DON'T LIKE.  And attempts were made to cancel accounts
> and get people off of the internet for NOT LIKING.  This is not the same
> as "WRONG",  yet that is surely what you and others have cloaked your
> actions with. 

I suspect that we have found the point of <supposed> contention. Maybe
studying contract law this summer might do you some good. Rather lame
attempt at diversion though. I think that others here discovered that there
was violations of the contract for ISP service. They took the appropriate
measures. I believe that at any time there is the "appeal" process that
could be followed through on? Obviously that was not done. So, instead of
realizing that maybe, just maybe it is time to be a grown up and make
appropriate decisions...the mentality that appears to be resorted to is to
continue the disruptive behavior. And then the only argument you can troll
with is some whining about your rights being violated. When in reality the
behavior that was in violation of the agreed upon contract is really the
issue.
 
> > Free speech *has* responsibilities too it.
> 
> 
> Then show me some thru your OWN behavior.

Sorry hon, this is about *you* and your pals. I am not obligated to show
you something at this juncture when it is you that is being discussed. All
I have done at this point is reply to the trolling. That does not give you
the right that I perform some unspecified way to your demands. 

> > Free speech does not give you
> > the right to behave as a selfish moron. 
> 
> Which is exactly what some of the denizens here did.

You may now want to consider adding onto reading up not only on contract
law but what Free Speech is really about. You really have your "rights"
confused with selfish behavior.

> >It does give you the right to find
> > an appropriate newsgroup though for the type of conversation that you
> > enjoy.
> 
> 
> And it gives YOU the right to ignore and killfile.

Wrong. I have addressed this issue before. I would like to see *you* being
responsible for your behavior/posting *first*. Then if I disagree with you
I have the option of not reading your posts (although with the multiple
personalities posting like you are...I would not be able to avoid the posts
to begin with...). The responsibility to posting content is back on you.
Not me. I am responsible for what I post. I have stated already that I
should not have to monitor every single thing that my children read. I know
this is futile to even bring up to a troll...because you really don't care,
only about your selfish behavior. Maybe you think it *is* okay for a parent
to have to monitor every thing that a child reads on a newsgroup that is
named alt.sewing?

> > But you are a troll and you are only trying to generate responses.
> 
> And for this I thank you from the bottom of my troller's heart.
> 
> 
> > You could really care less how you do that. And as advocates of free
speech
> > and the rights therein...well, you certainly do waste a lot of
bandwidth on
> > this technology.
> 
> 
> HUH?  You make no sense at all.

If you knew anything about Free Speech...contract law and responsibility it
would not have been lost on you. Thank you for demonstrating the point that
I was baiting you on. I would guess that you are somewhere in the realm of
late teen? You must have zero initiative because at that age I had studied
contract law and even understood what it meant, was well aware of the value
of Free Speech and I sure had an understanding of responsibility and what
it truly means.

> > Maybe you will find your fight better met in say
> > Kosovo....where the free speech is obviously being stifled by religious
> > groups there.
> 
> 
> So for posting the word "semen" here you would like to banish people to
> a war-torn nation?  What would you do to someone who said "jism"?

Read what I posted. Try comprehension courses if the meaning escapes you
still.

> > I suggest that you take a vacation to some sort of place
> > soon. Maybe your perspective on how the Real World is might be finally
> > turned to the "right" direction.

-pam