ConnieD
Haysfam
group, but wading through all the troll posts is a headache. I think I have
managed to filter most of them out, but that can be tricky.
Thank you for taking the time out of your busy life to try and get rid of
the unwanteds. Thank you for trying to keep this forum to the use it was
meant for.
My best,
Sharon
warm now (was:coldhere) this is a spam trap
there is nothing you can do to stop them. Only thing you can do is choose
block sender and keep doing it every time they morph to a different name.
Altopia will not stop them if anyone is interested in how to find out these
types of things and how to report the ones that can be reported then e-mail
me and I will gladly send you the information. AAnd if the trolls send me
e-mail I will report any that can be traced. I know how and am very
effective at getting ISP accounts closed.
--
My spelling mistakes left in for people who need to correct others for
something to do.
warm now (was coldhere) ldsn...@sinbad.I-mean-no-spam.net (remove nospam+I
mean no spam to e-mail) if you spam me you will lose your internet
connection.
Haysfam <Hay...@aye.net> wrote in message
news:92992028...@news.remarQ.com...
Tramm Phamm
>
> I just wanted to take a second and offer my thanks. I really enjoy this
> group, but wading through all the troll posts is a headache. I think I have
> managed to filter most of them out, but that can be tricky.
>
> Thank you for taking the time out of your busy life to try and get rid of
> the unwanteds. Thank you for trying to keep this forum to the use it was
> meant for.
>
> My best,
>
> Sharon
Yes. I can not stand the trolls here.
Penny S.
Haysfam wrote in message <92992028...@news.remarQ.com>...
>I just wanted to take a second and offer my thanks.
a note to all. I agree 100% with reporting spammers, HOWEVER ( this is
important) I do not *post* when I have reported them!!! This gives them more
fodder. Some of you may remember a few years back when we had a porno
spammer ( morphed pics of Nancy Zieman, I will not say more) who I reported
and then POSTED that I had successfully reported him and that his account
was in the process of being shut down. But not before the spammer decided
to post a whole bunch of extremely rude stuff, with forged headers and
names, OF MINE!! It was an awful experience went on for a few days before
we truly got rid of him, me having to apologize for really rude stuff that I
didn't right...the folks who know me on the groups *knew* it wasn't me, but
omigosh...what a nightmare.
So, report them, include the full headers ( in OE you right click on the
message header for properties) to abuse@thierISP,com but DON'T TELL
ANYONE!!!
In the meantime if the spammer is persisitent, A good set of filters can do
wonders...
Penny S.
Penny S.
ConnieD wrote in message <7kkcva$2n5jk$1...@reader2.wxs.nl>...
>Penny did you realize that you are infact required to notify the person you
>are reporting. If you notify them then include the warning that I did,
Connie, thanks for the input. In the situation I was referring to, the
person in question was in the UK so it is really questionable at to what
laws would apply where; fortunately demon.uk has a very low tolerance of
account abuse and they were great. What type of law/rules are you referring
to? Is it federal or a state (US) This stuff is so confusing, and you seem
to know quite a bit. Care to enlighten us as to the exact requirements you
are referring to? The usual steps I take when reporting account abuse are
to forward the message in it's entirely, with the full headers,s to the
ISP's abuse mailbox, with a note of explanation on "why" the post is
objectionable. Do you have steps to add to this process?
Thanks,
Penny S.
ConnieD
are reporting. If you notify them then include the warning that I did,
***NB Any mail received in my mailbox is regarded as my property and as such
will be posted to the relevant newsgroup and ISP.*** Also include *** Any
mail perpetratring under the assumption that it came from my email account
will be used in a court of law if required and litigation will be taken
against anyone who falsley uses my account name.***
BTW If you are unable to trace where the poster is coming from, then just
send your complaint to your own ISP with all properties listed and they will
trace it for you!
As for forging someone elses mail address, yes that is done, it has been
done with me, but if you ask your ISP for a breakdown of your postings with
them then you have no problem proving in a court of law when and where you
made your postings from and to.I enclose something courtesy of another
person Thanks FC, and hope this will help those who are not so fortunate as
you and I in computer usage just what they can do
QUOTE
" -I prefer to filter with procmail, and
>the ones that make it through get reported via Sam Spade
><http://samspade.org/classic/>, which helps me track down the appropriate
>admins to make a polite abuse notification.
>
>If munging is the choice, I recommend something like
>joe...@provider.com.invalid. The .invalid extension lets the mail server
>know the address is no good right off the bat, so the ISP does not waste
>resources trying to deliver it." END QUOTE
Hope this helps someone and never worry about those extremely sad people who
always have to upset someone.
The problem has stopped for the time being and at least all those who wanted
to know the procedure of reporting someone, now have the information ready
to use if they should need to. Thanks and regards, ConnieD.
Penny S. wrote in message <7kk731$9...@news2.newsguy.com>...
Tramm Phamm
>
> I also but the trolls are posting through altopia for the most part and
> there is nothing you can do to stop them. Only thing you can do is choose
> block sender and keep doing it every time they morph to a different name.
> Altopia will not stop them if anyone is interested in how to find out these
> types of things and how to report the ones that can be reported then e-mail
> me and I will gladly send you the information. AAnd if the trolls send me
> e-mail I will report any that can be traced. I know how and am very
> effective at getting ISP accounts closed.
How effective could you possibly be? If your point was to track down
my ISP then WHY WOULD YOU DO SOMETHING AS FUCKING STUPID as getting a
hotmail account closed?
(think about it).
fizzo
Finally someone figured out DONT READ IT IF YOU DONT LIKE IT
And, welcome to the internet.
--
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Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm).
Tramm Phamm
>
> Penny did you realize that you are infact required to notify the person you
> are reporting. If you notify them then include the warning that I did,
>
> ***NB Any mail received in my mailbox is regarded as my property and as such
> will be posted to the relevant newsgroup and ISP.*** Also include *** Any
> mail perpetratring
Sorry, I cannot abide by your terms if you use made up words that have
no meaning l ike "perpetratring" and am therefore considering your terms
null and void.
> >>I just wanted to take a second and offer my thanks.
> >
ConnieD
of use in asking a provider to "request" a poster to refrain from posting
certain items which are in breech of the terms of the contract taken out
between the provider and user.
Go to the provider concerned and ASK for a transcript of their conditions of
use. Read it through carefully and you will find what the provider expects
of the user to adhere to. Failure by the user to conduct him/herself in
accordance with the agreement can mean the provider may, at their
descretion, remove the facilty to the user.
Ask the provider what they require you to do when wanting to report a matter
to them, and invariably they will ask you to ensure that you have notified
the person you are complaining about and to forward them a copy of said
posting. This enables them to keep on file, a record of your complaint along
with any others they have received should this matter ever be taken to
court. As we all know, we can be targets for revenge and by ensuring that
your post to the originator has been forwarded then if, and I repeat if,
someone decides to tamper with your computer or "cross report" you, your
initial complaint is on record, thus negating the follow up complaints that
may occur from the offended party.
I have not reported anyone called Fizzo at any time whatsoever, had I done
so then my postings would have appeared on this group as with the present
matter.
Hotmail are investigating the fraudulent use of their company name by a
certain party and other servers are also involved on the behalf of several
who have contacted me privately.
As far as I am aware I have not cross posted to any other to group
concerning this matter, but ensured that the header was appropriately marked
for the newsgroup that I wanted my mailing to appear on.
I hope this answers your question, and gives a you better perspective of
what you should do in the matter of reporting someone.
Each provider has different conditons laid out and if you contact said
provider, they will help you find the legislation covering the part of the
world the originator is posting from. Each country has a different law but
for example if you wished to obtain further knowledge on spamming in the US
then try this site:
>NOTICE TO BULK E-MAILERS PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE BULK E-MAILING THIS
ADDRESS
>Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, p.227,any and all
non-solicited commercial E-mail sent to this address is
>subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US. Anyone
who sends unsolicited commercial e-mail to this account
>will be charged a $500 proofreading fee. Consider this official
notification. Failure to
>abide by this will result in legal action. For a complete summary of this
Legislation see
>
>http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d105:SN01618:@@@D
Hope this will help you and others, Regards ConnieD.
Penny S. wrote in message <7kkhep$h...@news2.newsguy.com>...
Tramm Phamm
Did you ever think of the repercussions to yourself for going to great
lengths to sensor other people? I do not think that you have. Did you
ever think that anyone could be posting using SOMEONE ELSE'S hotmail
address and that HYSTERICAL attempts to shut off someone else's access
to the internet could result in certain repercussions and liability to
yourself?
Tramm Phamm
>
> Tramm Phamm wrote in message <376EAB07...@phamm.com>...
>
> >Did you ever think of the repercussions to yourself for going to great
> >lengths to sensor other people? I do not think that you have. Did you
> >ever think that anyone could be posting using SOMEONE ELSE'S hotmail
> >address and that HYSTERICAL attempts to shut off someone else's access
> >to the internet could result in certain repercussions and liability to
> >yourself?
>
> date please. Would you like me to post message #4 as well?
> Be aware that I make sure of my facts and research my subject thoroughly
> BEFORE I post. Do you seriosly think that I would go to such lengths without
> being certain?
>
> I see that you still use email account tramm...@phamm.com , however NOW
> deny that you had two accounts , with the following post taken from
> Dejanews. Any credibility you may have held previously has been destroyed
> by your own admission that your hotmail account has been closed.( note the
> email address you posted from to the other group). You have behaved without
> consideration for the fellow subscribers of this newsgroup despite polite
> requests, which are filed, to refrain from either cross posting, or using
> expletives and profanities which can be read by minors.
>
> Your own posting tells the reader that you appear to have set out to cause
> some controversy within the group, and with that you suceeded, that is where
> you and I differ, I set out by asking your server to request that you
> refrain from posting messages of a sexual content, NOT deny you their
> service.( Read copies of my postings to them)
>
> You should also be aware that it is the ISP that decides if their services
> are denied to any subscriber, not I, and I am assured that there have been
> many reports of abuse, appertaining to those committed by yourself, made by
> other subscribers of this newsgroup, to hotmail.
>
> It is also somewhat of a coincindence that someone called fizzo ( From:
> "fizzo" <scia...@my-dejanews.com>
> Subject: I AM GETTING KICKED OFF MY ISP THANKS TO YOU SEWING LADIES) lost
> their account at the same time as you did. I believe fizzo is someone called
> Rick Martin?
>
> Had I reported this person, I assure you that he would be able to have read
> any mailing from me to him via this group.
>
> All messages from you through the group mentioning me personally are being
> kept for any litigation process that either you or I may wish to commence.
> Finally I wish no further communication with you whatsoever either
> personally or through any news group and any that I read will be considered
> a personal attack on myself and will not be tolerated. ConnieD.
>
> >> Community:
> >> Forum: alt.tv.road-rules
> >> Thread: Lowest moment of my life
> >> Message 1 of 4
>
> Subject: Lowest moment of my life
> Date: 1999/06/20
> Author: Tramm Phamm <tramm...@phamm.com>
> Posting History
>
> ConnieD from alt.sewing just got my hotmail account cancelled.
>
> (I must be doing something right).
You are attributing things to me you have no proof of. And you are
doing so in a public forum. I highly resent this. I also believe you
have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the internet is. All lies
and fabrications about Tramm must cease!
I smell fish.
JM
> ConnieD wrote:
> > All messages from you through the group mentioning me personally are
being
> > kept for any litigation process that either you or I may wish to
commence.
> > Finally I wish no further communication with you whatsoever either
> > personally or through any news group and any that I read will be
considered
> > a personal attack on myself and will not be tolerated. ConnieD.
personal attack? litigation? You need to accept responsibility for your
part in the ridiculous lengths this thread his come to. If you had just
ignored him, he would have taken his ball and went home. Words can't hurt.
Just calm down and don't respond. I have a feeling that is too hard now
though. Matter of fact I'd wager 50 net.bucks.
Tr*mm Ph*mm
You're on@!
Tr*mm Ph*mm
>
> I usually refrain when this sort of stuff happens, however....
>
> ENOUGH! Please. Stop for everyone sake. Theres enough for all of us to deal
> with in our lives without out this ongoing tirade.
>
> I realize everyone is annoyed, but.... I read these newsgroups to help escape
> from 20 hour work days and trying to survive as a self employed person.
>
> I think its time to stop flogging a dead horse.
NO! I'm not stopping until she apologizes and admits she's wrong.
>
> cheers,
>
> annie
> ***************************
> AnnMaries Specialties
> WildlyWonderful Wearables
> x-SITE-d Web Site Creation
> http://www.wwwearables.com
> tex...@wwwearables.com
> http://www.wwwearables.com/x-SITE-d
ConnieD
All messages from you through the group mentioning me personally are being
kept for any litigation process that either you or I may wish to commence.
Finally I wish no further communication with you whatsoever either
personally or through any news group and any that I read will be considered
a personal attack on myself and will not be tolerated. ConnieD.
Textile
ENOUGH! Please. Stop for everyone sake. Theres enough for all of us to deal
with in our lives without out this ongoing tirade.
I realize everyone is annoyed, but.... I read these newsgroups to help escape
from 20 hour work days and trying to survive as a self employed person.
I think its time to stop flogging a dead horse.
Niasha
thing and I applaud her efforts on our behalf. Niahsa
JM wrote in message ...
>
>> ConnieD wrote:
>> > All messages from you through the group mentioning me personally are
>being
>> > kept for any litigation process that either you or I may wish to
>commence.
>> > Finally I wish no further communication with you whatsoever either
>> > personally or through any news group and any that I read will be
>considered
>> > a personal attack on myself and will not be tolerated. ConnieD.
>
JM
Niasha <NIA...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:7knude$4dek$1...@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com...
> Why should she/we have to ignore offensive idiots. Connie did the right
> thing and I applaud her efforts on our behalf. Niahsa
No one said you *should* do anything. It was just a suggestion to end the
madness. Connie did the right thing, in your opinion, but not all agree.
But if you want to classify him as a troll, then you treat him like a troll
and IGNORE.. as Usenet rules suggest. Oh and please don't give me the
argument that little kiddies read newsgroups, it's up to those little
kiddies parents to preview any reading materials they don't want their
children looking at. This is not a moderated newsgroup.
Again, it was just a suggestion that obviously fell on deaf ears.
Tr*mm Ph*mm
>
> Why should she/we have to ignore offensive idiots. Connie did the right
> thing and I applaud her efforts on our behalf. Niahsa
> >
> >> ConnieD wrote:
> >> > All messages from you through the group mentioning me personally are
> >being
> >> > kept for any litigation process that either you or I may wish to
> >commence.
> >> > Finally I wish no further communication with you whatsoever either
> >> > personally or through any news group and any that I read will be
> >considered
> >> > a personal attack on myself and will not be tolerated. ConnieD.
> >
> >personal attack? litigation? You need to accept responsibility for your
> >part in the ridiculous lengths this thread his come to. If you had just
> >ignored him, he would have taken his ball and went home. Words can't hurt.
> >Just calm down and don't respond. I have a feeling that is too hard now
> >though. Matter of fact I'd wager 50 net.bucks.
> >
> >
This is OUTRAGEOUS that you would applaud sensorship of others free
sppeech. This is what HITLER did, and you know hwat he did. (But Eva
Braun did have a nice cross-stitch).
NoM...@spam.com
personally gone after Connie because she had the nerve to stand up to him. He
is a rude ignorant bully, who is probably home from school on summer break.
Christina
JM wrote:
> Niasha <NIA...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:7knude$4dek$1...@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com...
> > Why should she/we have to ignore offensive idiots. Connie did the right
> > thing and I applaud her efforts on our behalf. Niahsa
>
Pamela Fitzpatrick
poster (whomever they be in whatever situation) to monitor *themselves*?
Being respectful to the topic of a newsgroup...statements regarding
children reading this newsgroup...etc.? Just seems that all the
responsibility is being placed upon the one side of an issue (not just here
but on other newsgroups as well). I am fully aware that the internet is
completely "unregulated" as such. But it seems that we have a sad example
of what is truly happening in our world when some simple ideals of
courtesy, manners and common sense are thrown out the door all for a
person's "right" to post whatever they want....and if someone doesn't like
it, tough. Just seems pretty selfish.
-pam
--
Poster is a resident of Washington State.
Spammers be warned, Washington State has a Spam Law that is successfully
enforced.
JM <jm...@mediaone.net> wrote in article
<5IMb3.1676$Wr1....@wbnws01.ne.mediaone.net>...
JM
<NoM...@spam.com> wrote in message news:376F9F9F...@spam.com...
> JM I read this newsgroup and I do not want to put up with TP's trash. He
has
> personally gone after Connie because she had the nerve to stand up to him.
He
> is a rude ignorant bully, who is probably home from school on summer
break.
> Christina
Hi Christina,
I still believe that if all his original postings had been ignored he would
have gone away. You (and I don't mean *you* personally) really can't take
*anything* said on Usenet personally. That is one of the first things to
learn when posting on Usenet. Just trying to add some sanity to this is
all. As long as yall feed into him he will not stop. I think we *all* have
more important things going on IRL. And it doesn't make you less of a
man/woman to realize when to let things go. As a matter of fact it makes
you the bigger person.
Maura
Pamela Fitzpatrick
is officially dead *G*
And that particular "poster" has lost their argument....
--
Poster is a resident of Washington State.
Spammers be warned, Washington State has a Spam Law that is successfully
enforced.
Tr*mm Ph*mm <tra-m-m-wa-c-ker@ph*mm.com> wrote in article
JM
Pamela Fitzpatrick <p.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:01bebc82$41997920$3860490c@default...
> Just something for thought...why is it a "bad" thing for the original
> poster (whomever they be in whatever situation) to monitor *themselves*?
It isn't bad. No one said it was.
> Being respectful to the topic of a newsgroup...statements regarding
> children reading this newsgroup...etc.? Just seems that all the
> responsibility is being placed upon the one side of an issue (not just
here
> but on other newsgroups as well).
I didn't mean to imply that it was all Connie's "fault" Just that a thread
cannot continue with only one poster. If there is only one poster, the
thread will end.
I am fully aware that the internet is
> completely "unregulated" as such. But it seems that we have a sad example
> of what is truly happening in our world when some simple ideals of
> courtesy, manners and common sense are thrown out the door all for a
> person's "right" to post whatever they want....and if someone doesn't like
> it, tough. Just seems pretty selfish.
I do see where you are coming from. It might sound selfish. I hate it that
I'm coming off as a poster child for trolls or however you would classify
TP. But the fact remains the internet is a highly unregulated medium. We,
no one else, are responsible for what our children hear and read. TP
doesn't care if your kids read his postings. To say that TP is rude and
then to expect him to monitor himself is highly ridiculous. What one person
recognizes as rude and trollish behavior can be humorous and funny to
others. There are a ton of lurkers from a.t.r.w. reading this that are
getting a kick out of seeing yall get such a rise out of it. The longer it
continues, the funnier it gets.
Ever been in traffic and accidently cut someone off? They normally are
giving you the finger or screaming out their window. Well if you just wave
and smile at them they feel like a moron and quit. Not a very good analogy,
but best I could do. I guarantee he won't stop fishing unless you stop
nibbling at the worm.
Maura
JM
> Everyone knows that once the Hitler Argument has been stated...the thread
> is officially dead *G*
>
> And that particular "poster" has lost their argument....
*L* That's so true. Although I thought it was when someone called someone
else a nazi but you do have a point. But was there really an argument to
begin with??
Pamela Fitzpatrick
--
Poster is a resident of Washington State.
Spammers be warned, Washington State has a Spam Law that is successfully
enforced.
JM <jm...@mediaone.net> wrote in article
<OxNb3.1848$Wr1....@wbnws01.ne.mediaone.net>...
>
> Pamela Fitzpatrick <p.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:01bebc82$41997920$3860490c@default...
> > Just something for thought...why is it a "bad" thing for the original
> > poster (whomever they be in whatever situation) to monitor
*themselves*?
>
> It isn't bad. No one said it was.
>
> > Being respectful to the topic of a newsgroup...statements regarding
> > children reading this newsgroup...etc.? Just seems that all the
> > responsibility is being placed upon the one side of an issue (not just
> here
> > but on other newsgroups as well).
>
> I didn't mean to imply that it was all Connie's "fault" Just that a
thread
> cannot continue with only one poster. If there is only one poster, the
> thread will end.
You definitely have a point there *g*
> I am fully aware that the internet is
> > completely "unregulated" as such. But it seems that we have a sad
example
> > of what is truly happening in our world when some simple ideals of
> > courtesy, manners and common sense are thrown out the door all for a
> > person's "right" to post whatever they want....and if someone doesn't
like
> > it, tough. Just seems pretty selfish.
>
> I do see where you are coming from. It might sound selfish. I hate it
that
> I'm coming off as a poster child for trolls or however you would classify
> TP. But the fact remains the internet is a highly unregulated medium.
We,
> no one else, are responsible for what our children hear and read. TP
> doesn't care if your kids read his postings. To say that TP is rude and
> then to expect him to monitor himself is highly ridiculous. What one
person
> recognizes as rude and trollish behavior can be humorous and funny to
> others. There are a ton of lurkers from a.t.r.w. reading this that are
> getting a kick out of seeing yall get such a rise out of it. The longer
it
> continues, the funnier it gets.
I guess I don't understand how what this particular person is doing could
be considered funny. Maybe I missed something...but there is a "higher"
ground that could be obtained and that is for the postings to stop being of
the particular content that they are. I'm sure that there are newsgroups
out there where this style of posting could be parody and funny. But I am
here due to my job...and well, I just don't get how simple politeness has
just disappeared from society. I appreciate your analogy regarding the
driver with boorish behavior...but I want to understand from this
particular venue what is going on.
> Ever been in traffic and accidently cut someone off? They normally are
> giving you the finger or screaming out their window. Well if you just
wave
> and smile at them they feel like a moron and quit. Not a very good
analogy,
> but best I could do. I guarantee he won't stop fishing unless you stop
> nibbling at the worm.
Well, this person is finishing themselves...the used the Hitler argument
*G*.
Now *that* much I know about the Newsgroups and "done" arguments *G*
Thank you for being patient enough to explain what is going on...hoping
that you can offer some more information regarding my questions....pam
JM
I said:
> > I do see where you are coming from. It might sound selfish. I hate it
> that
> > I'm coming off as a poster child for trolls or however you would
classify
> > TP. But the fact remains the internet is a highly unregulated medium.
> We,
> > no one else, are responsible for what our children hear and read. TP
> > doesn't care if your kids read his postings. To say that TP is rude and
> > then to expect him to monitor himself is highly ridiculous. What one
> person
> > recognizes as rude and trollish behavior can be humorous and funny to
> > others. There are a ton of lurkers from a.t.r.w. reading this that are
> > getting a kick out of seeing yall get such a rise out of it. The longer
> it
> > continues, the funnier it gets.
Pam said:
> I guess I don't understand how what this particular person is doing could
> be considered funny. Maybe I missed something...but there is a "higher"
> ground that could be obtained and that is for the postings to stop being
of
> the particular content that they are. I'm sure that there are newsgroups
> out there where this style of posting could be parody and funny. But I am
> here due to my job...and well, I just don't get how simple politeness has
> just disappeared from society. I appreciate your analogy regarding the
> driver with boorish behavior...but I want to understand from this
> particular venue what is going on.
Well see it's not funny to most of the people who normally post at
alt.sewing. It's funny to people who get a kick of watching others' blood
boil over a simple usenet post. For example, everyone who is contributing
to this thread in the "report him to his ISP" mode are furious! And TP
meanwhile is laughing is head off, not to mention other lurkers from a.t.r.w
who are doing the same. The effort put into arguing with him to stop is
just fuel for his fire.
Simple politeness has not disappeared from society, it was never there for
some people. Obviously, considering the reaction from the posters here you
have not come into contact with someone like TP before. In another
newsgroup I subscribe to they give out net.Frango.awards every year to "best
response to a troll". It's rather funny the responses some people come up
with and hardly anyone gets upset (about the trolls that is).
It's a matter of the type of personality you have I guess. I was in a
debate one time about the ethics/non-ethics of Clinton. It degraded into an
argument about how simple-minded and in "De-Nile" I was if I thought my
husband was being faithful to me after 10 years together. After that, I
just let it go. I wanted to tell her to go to hell but really, why get
upset over an unknown person who obviously didn't know what they were
talking about.
> Well, this person is finishing themselves...the used the Hitler argument
> *G*.
>
> Now *that* much I know about the Newsgroups and "done" arguments *G*
>
> Thank you for being patient enough to explain what is going on...hoping
> that you can offer some more information regarding my questions....pam
I'm not an expert on trolls. I've chomped on to the bait more times than I
care to remember but have just learned that in my home and in my life I have
more things to worry about then trying to kick someone off their ISP for
being a retard. If it was repeated personal e-mail I could understand. I
hope what I said was understandable and possibly answered your questions
even if some don't agree. I would be more concerned about how people react
in anger.. will they remain angry or will they smile and be a good role
model to their children. Everyone is so worried about the children, but
what hurts them worse? A little foul language or anger in it's most viscious
form. The foul language would have ended after the first posting if people
didn't rise to the bait. It's about being the bigger person.
I only hopped on this newsgroup to see how it would end (from lurker status
even though I didn't stay there) but while I'm here I have an old Singer
sewing machine. It's pea-gree with a case that clamps over the top. It's
about 50-60 years old (handed down from my grandma). It has a bulb lamp
screwed onto the back. I've never used it, but do you know where I would
bring it to get it cleaned and fixed without risking damage to it?
Maura
Tr*mm Ph*mm
>
> JM I read this newsgroup and I do not want to put up with TP's trash. He has
> personally gone after Connie because she had the nerve to stand up to him. He
> is a rude ignorant bully, who is probably home from school on summer break.
> Christina
>
>
> > Niasha <NIA...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> > news:7knude$4dek$1...@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com...
> > > Why should she/we have to ignore offensive idiots. Connie did the right
> > > thing and I applaud her efforts on our behalf. Niahsa
> >
> > No one said you *should* do anything. It was just a suggestion to end the
> > madness. Connie did the right thing, in your opinion, but not all agree.
> > But if you want to classify him as a troll, then you treat him like a troll
> > and IGNORE.. as Usenet rules suggest. Oh and please don't give me the
> > argument that little kiddies read newsgroups, it's up to those little
> > kiddies parents to preview any reading materials they don't want their
> > children looking at. This is not a moderated newsgroup.
> >
> > Again, it was just a suggestion that obviously fell on deaf ears.
This is not true and plus you're newsreader is broked.
Tr*mm Ph*mm
>
> Just something for thought...why is it a "bad" thing for the original
> poster (whomever they be in whatever situation) to monitor *themselves*?
> children reading this newsgroup...etc.? Just seems that all the
> responsibility is being placed upon the one side of an issue (not just here
> completely "unregulated" as such. But it seems that we have a sad example
> of what is truly happening in our world when some simple ideals of
> courtesy, manners and common sense are thrown out the door all for a
> person's "right" to post whatever they want....and if someone doesn't like
> it, tough. Just seems pretty selfish.
>
>
> --
> Poster is a resident of Washington State.
> Spammers be warned, Washington State has a Spam Law that is successfully
> enforced.
>
> JM <jm...@mediaone.net> wrote in article
> >
> > Niasha <NIA...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> > news:7knude$4dek$1...@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com...
> > > Why should she/we have to ignore offensive idiots. Connie did the
> right
> > > thing and I applaud her efforts on our behalf. Niahsa
> >
> > No one said you *should* do anything. It was just a suggestion to end
> the
> > madness. Connie did the right thing, in your opinion, but not all agree.
> > But if you want to classify him as a troll, then you treat him like a
> troll
> > and IGNORE.. as Usenet rules suggest. Oh and please don't give me the
> > argument that little kiddies read newsgroups, it's up to those little
> > kiddies parents to preview any reading materials they don't want their
> > children looking at. This is not a moderated newsgroup.
> >
> > Again, it was just a suggestion that obviously fell on deaf ears.
> >
> >
> >
You really have no clue or appreciation for freedom of speech. The big
issue is WHO gets to decide? I do not like YOUR posts. So don't be so
stupid. Free speech is not a popularity contest.
Tr*mm Ph*mm
>
>
> I'm not an expert on trolls. I've chomped on to the bait more times than I
> care to remember but have just learned that in my home and in my life I have
> more things to worry about then trying to kick someone off their ISP for
> being a retard. If it was repeated personal e-mail I could understand.
So it sounds like you are saying that **CONNIE D* was wrong?????!!!!!
Tr*mm Ph*mm
>
> Everyone knows that once the Hitler Argument has been stated...the thread
> is officially dead *G*
>
> And that particular "poster" has lost their argument....
>
> Poster is a resident of Washington State.
> Spammers be warned, Washington State has a Spam Law that is successfully
> enforced.
>
>
> > This is OUTRAGEOUS that you would applaud sensorship of others free
> > sppeech. This is what HITLER did, and you know hwat he did. (But Eva
> > Braun did have a nice cross-stitch).
> >
Oh, trying to usurp authority and freedom. That's what hitler did. I
bet you feel so clever for making this idiotic post.
Tr*mm Ph*mm
> > Just something for thought...why is it a "bad" thing for the original
> > poster (whomever they be in whatever situation) to monitor *themselves*?
>
>
> > children reading this newsgroup...etc.? Just seems that all the
> > responsibility is being placed upon the one side of an issue (not just
> here
> > but on other newsgroups as well).
>
I do think it's pretty obvious.
>Just that a thread
> cannot continue with only one poster. If there is only one poster, the
> thread will end.
Do you want to place a wager on this?
>
> I am fully aware that the internet is
> > completely "unregulated" as such. But it seems that we have a sad example
> > of what is truly happening in our world when some simple ideals of
> > courtesy, manners and common sense are thrown out the door all for a
> > person's "right" to post whatever they want....and if someone doesn't like
> > it, tough. Just seems pretty selfish.
>
> I do see where you are coming from. It might sound selfish. I hate it that
> I'm coming off as a poster child for trolls or however you would classify
> TP. But the fact remains the internet is a highly unregulated medium. We,
> no one else, are responsible for what our children hear and read. TP
> doesn't care if your kids read his postings. To say that TP is rude and
> then to expect him to monitor himself is highly ridiculous. What one person
> recognizes as rude and trollish behavior can be humorous and funny to
> others. There are a ton of lurkers from a.t.r.w. reading this that are
> getting a kick out of seeing yall get such a rise out of it. The longer it
> continues, the funnier it gets.
>
> Ever been in traffic and accidently cut someone off? They normally are
> giving you the finger or screaming out their window. Well if you just wave
> and smile at them they feel like a moron and quit.
Oh, so YOU are the one who keeps doing that to me!
> Not a very good analogy,
> but best I could do. I guarantee he won't stop fishing unless you stop
> nibbling at the worm.
Do you back this guarantee with anything?
>
> Maura
Tr*mm Ph*mm
>
> --
> Poster is a resident of Washington State.
> Spammers be warned, Washington State has a Spam Law that is successfully
> enforced.
The internet is inter-state and therefore falls under federal authority.
>
> JM <jm...@mediaone.net> wrote in article
> <OxNb3.1848$Wr1....@wbnws01.ne.mediaone.net>...
> >
> > Pamela Fitzpatrick <p.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:01bebc82$41997920$3860490c@default...
> > > Just something for thought...why is it a "bad" thing for the original
> > > poster (whomever they be in whatever situation) to monitor
> *themselves*?
> >
> > It isn't bad. No one said it was.
> >
> > > Being respectful to the topic of a newsgroup...statements regarding
> > > children reading this newsgroup...etc.? Just seems that all the
> > > responsibility is being placed upon the one side of an issue (not just
> > here
> > > but on other newsgroups as well).
> >
> > I didn't mean to imply that it was all Connie's "fault" Just that a
> thread
> > cannot continue with only one poster. If there is only one poster, the
> > thread will end.
>
> You definitely have a point there *g*
>
> > I am fully aware that the internet is
> > > completely "unregulated" as such. But it seems that we have a sad
> example
> > > of what is truly happening in our world when some simple ideals of
> > > courtesy, manners and common sense are thrown out the door all for a
> > > person's "right" to post whatever they want....and if someone doesn't
> like
> > > it, tough. Just seems pretty selfish.
> >
> > I do see where you are coming from. It might sound selfish. I hate it
> that
> > I'm coming off as a poster child for trolls or however you would classify
> > TP. But the fact remains the internet is a highly unregulated medium.
> We,
> > no one else, are responsible for what our children hear and read. TP
> > doesn't care if your kids read his postings. To say that TP is rude and
> > then to expect him to monitor himself is highly ridiculous. What one
> person
> > recognizes as rude and trollish behavior can be humorous and funny to
> > others. There are a ton of lurkers from a.t.r.w. reading this that are
> > getting a kick out of seeing yall get such a rise out of it. The longer
> it
> > continues, the funnier it gets.
>
> I guess I don't understand how what this particular person is doing could
> be considered funny. Maybe I missed something...but there is a "higher"
> ground that could be obtained and that is for the postings to stop being of
> the particular content that they are. I'm sure that there are newsgroups
> out there where this style of posting could be parody and funny. But I am
> here due to my job...and well, I just don't get how simple politeness has
> just disappeared from society. I appreciate your analogy regarding the
> driver with boorish behavior...but I want to understand from this
> particular venue what is going on.
>
> > Ever been in traffic and accidently cut someone off? They normally are
> > giving you the finger or screaming out their window. Well if you just
> wave
> > and smile at them they feel like a moron and quit. Not a very good
> analogy,
> > but best I could do. I guarantee he won't stop fishing unless you stop
> > nibbling at the worm.
>
NoM...@spam.com
There are web addresses you can go to ... http://www.ismacs.net/ . I have a
bunch of older singers, I belive you probably have a 185J and you should be able
to service it yourself. I can give you any help if you need it, also the
vintage singers club at yahoo is a good place for info. They do sew a nice
stitch... do you have a buttonhole attachment? they make the best buttonholes
ever... much better than even TOL machines today. Christina
JM wrote:
> Pamela Fitzpatrick <p.f...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:01bebc8a$196dfd60$587a490c@default...
>
> I said:
>
> > > I do see where you are coming from. It might sound selfish. I hate it
> > that
> > > I'm coming off as a poster child for trolls or however you would
> classify
> > > TP. But the fact remains the internet is a highly unregulated medium.
> > We,
> > > no one else, are responsible for what our children hear and read. TP
> > > doesn't care if your kids read his postings. To say that TP is rude and
> > > then to expect him to monitor himself is highly ridiculous. What one
> > person
> > > recognizes as rude and trollish behavior can be humorous and funny to
> > > others. There are a ton of lurkers from a.t.r.w. reading this that are
> > > getting a kick out of seeing yall get such a rise out of it. The longer
> > it
> > > continues, the funnier it gets.
>
> Pam said:
>
> > I guess I don't understand how what this particular person is doing could
> > be considered funny. Maybe I missed something...but there is a "higher"
> > ground that could be obtained and that is for the postings to stop being
> of
> > the particular content that they are. I'm sure that there are newsgroups
> > out there where this style of posting could be parody and funny. But I am
> > here due to my job...and well, I just don't get how simple politeness has
> > just disappeared from society. I appreciate your analogy regarding the
> > driver with boorish behavior...but I want to understand from this
> > particular venue what is going on.
>
> Well see it's not funny to most of the people who normally post at
> alt.sewing. It's funny to people who get a kick of watching others' blood
> boil over a simple usenet post. For example, everyone who is contributing
> to this thread in the "report him to his ISP" mode are furious! And TP
> meanwhile is laughing is head off, not to mention other lurkers from a.t.r.w
> who are doing the same. The effort put into arguing with him to stop is
> just fuel for his fire.
>
> Simple politeness has not disappeared from society, it was never there for
> some people. Obviously, considering the reaction from the posters here you
> have not come into contact with someone like TP before. In another
> newsgroup I subscribe to they give out net.Frango.awards every year to "best
> response to a troll". It's rather funny the responses some people come up
> with and hardly anyone gets upset (about the trolls that is).
>
> It's a matter of the type of personality you have I guess. I was in a
> debate one time about the ethics/non-ethics of Clinton. It degraded into an
> argument about how simple-minded and in "De-Nile" I was if I thought my
> husband was being faithful to me after 10 years together. After that, I
> just let it go. I wanted to tell her to go to hell but really, why get
> upset over an unknown person who obviously didn't know what they were
> talking about.
>
> > Well, this person is finishing themselves...the used the Hitler argument
> > *G*.
> >
> > Now *that* much I know about the Newsgroups and "done" arguments *G*
> >
> > Thank you for being patient enough to explain what is going on...hoping
> > that you can offer some more information regarding my questions....pam
>
> I'm not an expert on trolls. I've chomped on to the bait more times than I
> care to remember but have just learned that in my home and in my life I have
> more things to worry about then trying to kick someone off their ISP for
JM
<NoM...@spam.com> wrote in message news:376FF248...@spam.com...
> Maura
> There are web addresses you can go to ... http://www.ismacs.net/ . I
have a
> bunch of older singers, I belive you probably have a 185J and you should
be able
> to service it yourself. I can give you any help if you need it, also the
> vintage singers club at yahoo is a good place for info. They do sew a
nice
> stitch... do you have a buttonhole attachment? they make the best
buttonholes
> ever... much better than even TOL machines today. Christina
Yes it has a button hole attachment. The whole machine is really cute. I
can picture my grandmother hunched over it :-).. I'll check out the
website tomorrow when I get more time. Thank you very much for your help.
Maura
jha...@wwnet.com
There is ot a one among our group who doesn't have a clear
understanding of the "Don't read it if you don't like it" theory.
Trouble is, we take the time to read posts thinking that there is
really someone there that we might be able to help.
I know when I initially read the fifi post, I gathered it was not
legitimate and trashed it.....but it took MY TIME! And we really
don't want to waste time on junk like that.
It is so much like kids making prank phone calls and getting such
a big kick out of having someone answer the phone for nothing. Either
GROW UP or post to other people that have time to waste....we don't
JOY
>
>Finally someone figured out DONT READ IT IF YOU DONT LIKE IT
>
>And, welcome to the internet.
>
>--
>Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com
>Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm).
>
jha...@wwnet.com
just want you to GO AWAY!
It is against the law in the State of Michigan to use foul
language to women and children.
I was really on the fence concerning the use of the legitimate
name for a body fluid (though I stated I thought you could have been
more discreet and tactful).....but I do not appreciate and will not
tolerate the use of foul language on our beloved newsgroup.
You are wrong to use that terminology in this forum. JOY
jha...@wwnet.com
Doesn't this sort of fall under the same ill-logic that if you borrow
someone elses car and get into an accident that you are not
responsible because it is not your car. And the person whose car it
is is not responsible because they were not driving.
I immagine that the car-owner will quickly become more cautious
of who he loans his car to ....just as the friend who loans you his
internet service will be forced to be more responsible about who he
allows to use his service.
jha...@wwnet.com
the yellow pages. What model is it? Joy
Cheryl T
How could a medical/biological term be "foul"?
Cheryl T
This makes no sense.
jha...@wwnet.com
clarify and re-state, that it was not necessarily the proper word for
the anatomy that disturbed me, but the vulgar and offensive "foul"
language that accompanied several posts. This language is not used
to contribute or support their subject content....just used for
reactionary purposes. Those who choose to use foul language in this
forum are wrong to do so.
So, this "batty" seamstress doesn't mind reminding you to mind
your manners. Just in case your mother hasn't told you in a
while.....take a moment out to treat others how you would like to be
treated. If you take comfort in bantering that sort of language
about with your friends.....so be it. If I want to read that sort of
language I have a hunch I could locate places or magazines to read it.
But I don't want to read it here. JOY
Cheryl T
You are telling me to treat others how I would like to be treated? Hell
woman, why don't you use some of this same critique on your own little
group here? I don't go around trying to get people's ISP accounts
terminated because they say things I do not like. How childish is THAT?
Aren't those BAD MANNERS too? The fact that your moralising is so
selective completely invalidates everything else that you say. What
don't you tell those bitches who tried to close peoples' accounts down
that that is no way to act? Tell them that life and liberty are not
popularity contests.
If you do not like foul language, then the internet is not a good place
for such a closed mind as yours.
DHTML
>
> The internet is for *everyone* and for you to suggest the type of reverse
> censorship that you are <troll that you may be> is in of itself childish.
So not conforming to your ideal is "childish". Oh, excuse ME. Let's do
everything YOU want to do .
>
> I believe people on a basic level deserve to be treated with respect and
> decently. You have made choices to the other extreme (so it appears). You
The only "crime" was being different than a small coterie of catish
people.
> have also expected others to conform to *you* which is selfishness at it's
> best. The vision I have of *you* is the bull in the china shop. You are too
> selfish to understand that *you* are not the center of the universe.
And neither is your self-rightous and self-serving ideals.
>And
> that because we don't conform to *you* then you have the right to stampede
> around like a moron/jerk/ass.
NAME CALLING!! NAME CALLING!!! Now *that's* childish! Sheesh.
>
> Maybe this is where you get your jollies and think that you can be the boor
> that you are not allowed to be in Real Life....but a big surprise here,
> people do use the internet for real reasons, not because they don't have a
> life <as you appear to be the example>.
Yet another ad hominem. Pamela, this really isn't about *right* or
*wrong*, is it? This is really about what you *LIKE* and what you
*DON'T LIKE*. Please do not confuse these two concepts, for it will
only make you look stupid.
>
> I came onto this newsgroup because I needed the information that is
> available here. I did not come here to have the type of childish behavior
> that has been exhibited here by *you* and your ilk. From what I can tell,
You have reverted to namecalling, so you have therefore exhibited
childish behavior yourself.
> the ISP cancelled service do the violations of the conditions of the
> agreement. It had nothing to do with stifling free speech because the
> person signed up with the service *knowingly*.
It had everything to do with free speech. It had to do with what you
LIKE and what you DON'T LIKE. And attempts were made to cancel accounts
and get people off of the internet for NOT LIKING. This is not the same
as "WRONG", yet that is surely what you and others have cloaked your
actions with.
>
> Free speech *has* responsibilities too it.
Then show me some thru your OWN behavior.
> Free speech does not give you
> the right to behave as a selfish moron.
Which is exactly what some of the denizens here did.
>It does give you the right to find
> an appropriate newsgroup though for the type of conversation that you
> enjoy.
And it gives YOU the right to ignore and killfile.
> But you are a troll and you are only trying to generate responses.
And for this I thank you from the bottom of my troller's heart.
> You could really care less how you do that. And as advocates of free speech
> and the rights therein...well, you certainly do waste a lot of bandwidth on
> this technology.
HUH? You make no sense at all.
> Maybe you will find your fight better met in say
> Kosovo....where the free speech is obviously being stifled by religious
> groups there.
So for posting the word "semen" here you would like to banish people to
a war-torn nation? What would you do to someone who said "jism"?
> I suggest that you take a vacation to some sort of place
> soon. Maybe your perspective on how the Real World is might be finally
> turned to the "right" direction.
And I thank you for your advice. Sadly, I am on vacation this month and
decided to spend all of my time posting to alt.sewing. I figured that
would be more fun than Kosovo. You know, where the real pain is penis
vagina.
>
> -pam
>
> --
> Poster is a resident of Washington State.
> Spammers be warned, Washington State has a Spam Law that is successfully
> enforced.
>
> Cheryl T <n...@private.com> wrote in article
> <37726F38...@private.com>...
warm now (was:coldhere) this is a spam trap
DHTML <DH...@private.com> wrote in message
news:3772EA4D...@private.com...
> Pamela Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >
> > the ISP cancelled service do the violations of the conditions of the
> > agreement. It had nothing to do with stifling free speech because the
> > person signed up with the service *knowingly*.
he still has his "free speech" there is no constitutional right to an
ISP--that is a service --nothing to do with free speech no one is stopping
him from speaking only stopping him from abusing a service
<more major snippage>
__________________________________________________>
> And it gives YOU the right to ignore and killfile.
killfiles no one has the right to abuse others and if the post from altopia
(like you) they know what they are doing is wrong ----no DECENT ISP
tolerates harresment and continual morphs to avoid killfiles are harresment
________________________________________________________
Oh and do not bother to reply if you post from Altopia you get one chance
and then I kilfile you if you morph I will do it again go away child the
world does not work according to you if an ISP tossed one of the people who
were harrasing us then that person broke the rules.
Pamela Fitzpatrick
censorship that you are <troll that you may be> is in of itself childish.
I believe people on a basic level deserve to be treated with respect and
decently. You have made choices to the other extreme (so it appears). You
have also expected others to conform to *you* which is selfishness at it's
best. The vision I have of *you* is the bull in the china shop. You are too
selfish to understand that *you* are not the center of the universe. And
that because we don't conform to *you* then you have the right to stampede
around like a moron/jerk/ass.
Maybe this is where you get your jollies and think that you can be the boor
that you are not allowed to be in Real Life....but a big surprise here,
people do use the internet for real reasons, not because they don't have a
life <as you appear to be the example>.
I came onto this newsgroup because I needed the information that is
available here. I did not come here to have the type of childish behavior
that has been exhibited here by *you* and your ilk. From what I can tell,
the ISP cancelled service do the violations of the conditions of the
agreement. It had nothing to do with stifling free speech because the
person signed up with the service *knowingly*.
Free speech *has* responsibilities too it. Free speech does not give you
the right to behave as a selfish moron. It does give you the right to find
an appropriate newsgroup though for the type of conversation that you
enjoy. But you are a troll and you are only trying to generate responses.
You could really care less how you do that. And as advocates of free speech
and the rights therein...well, you certainly do waste a lot of bandwidth on
this technology. Maybe you will find your fight better met in say
Kosovo....where the free speech is obviously being stifled by religious
groups there. I suggest that you take a vacation to some sort of place
soon. Maybe your perspective on how the Real World is might be finally
turned to the "right" direction.
-pam
DHTML
>
> DHTML <DH...@private.com> wrote in message
> news:3772EA4D...@private.com...
> > Pamela Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > >
> > > agreement. It had nothing to do with stifling free speech because the
> > > person signed up with the service *knowingly*.
> he still has his "free speech" there is no constitutional right to an
> ISP--that is a service --nothing to do with free speech no one is stopping
> him from speaking only stopping him from abusing a service
But that is the *intent*. And therefore they are wrong.
> <more major snippage>
> __________________________________________________>
> > And it gives YOU the right to ignore and killfile.
> the problem is all of the morphs in addy and posting name to get around the
> killfiles no one has the right to abuse others and if the post from altopia
> (like you) they know what they are doing is wrong ----no DECENT ISP
> tolerates harresment and continual morphs to avoid killfiles are harresment
NO decent person would try and pull accounts over use of the word
"semen".
I've never heard of morphs being against any policy at all. This is all
in your head.
> ________________________________________________________
> Oh and do not bother to reply if you post from Altopia you get one chance
> and then I kilfile you if you morph I will do it again go away child the
> world does not work according to you if an ISP tossed one of the people who
> were harrasing us then that person broke the rules.
How would you know this? I know of no "rules" that were broken.
lynda janzen
example of why at some time the government will step in and put more
restrictions and controls ont he Internet. I firmly feel that if
someone looses their ISP priveliges from two carriers for the same
offensive and vulgar posts that they should lose their right to be on
the internet at all. Just like someone that refuses to stop drinking
and driving loses their right to drive and in some cases their freedom.
Freedom is a responsibility. If one person infringes on the freedoms of
others everyone is the loser. I do not believe in censorship for the
sake of censorship. I think that if someone wants to visit x rated
sites that is their right I do not feel that they have the right to
force others to be involved. Lynda
DHTML
>
> The people that have been posting the Foul language posts are a prime
> example of why at some time the government will step in and put more
> restrictions and controls ont he Internet. I firmly feel that if
> someone looses their ISP priveliges from two carriers for the same
> offensive and vulgar posts that they should lose their right to be on
> the internet at all.
Thank you, soccer mom, for putting Bill Clinton in office. You must be
proud. Oh, he has raped 12 women (we so far have only one credible
testimony).
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/Feb1999/022299/clintonrape022299.htm
And I'm sure you have more reasons why he should still be in office than
why I should be off the internet.
> Just like someone that refuses to stop drinking
> and driving loses their right to drive and in some cases their freedom.
> Freedom is a responsibility.
Anyone here ever get killed from a bad post?
> If one person infringes on the freedoms of
> others everyone is the loser.
People whose accounts were closed have had their freedoms infringed.
> I do not believe in censorship for the
> sake of censorship.
Your list of verbottens says otherwise.
> I think that if someone wants to visit x rated
> sites that is their right I do not feel that they have the right to
> force others to be involved. Lynda
So, the use of the word "semen" infringes your freedoms? "Semen" is
offensive and vulgar?
Pamela Fitzpatrick
you should not be "hiding" behind various ID's. I heard it mentioned only
*cowards* do what you are doing, changing ID's constantly. That not having
a life isn't good enough...but to harass and to *pretend* that you have a
valid point is all that you are able to do because *no one* will listen to
you in Real Life.
Rather pathetic on your part...even sad. That you would find pleasure in
disrupting a newsgroup. Then turn around and bitch that *I* have to
completely control the content of what my children see (instead of hoping
that posters could be *adult* enough to control themselves) by completely
monitoring *EVERYTHING* that they see on this newsgroup. Would be much
easier to do if you all would stop changing your names every other day.
That way I *could* be a responsible parent as you seem to claim I'm not via
my *request* that you post responsibly and to consider the audience that is
here. By the way...*children* do read this newsgroup. I should not have to
spend the time to read every single post to find out if it is okay for my
child to read. Just as I should not have to read every single book before
hand (at least authors tend to be responsible regarding what language they
use in their books, taking care to understand their audience). And I'm
talking *children* here. Children that are not ready to understand the
"terms" that you think you have the right to troll with.
But you are a troll and you are just going to consider this *another* post
that is only replied to your trolling. Instead of taking the time to read
this and actually maybe reflect upon your actions. I sincerely hope that in
Real Life that you get the "awakening" that you deserve, and soon.
Pamela Fitzpatrick
--
Poster is a resident of Washington State.
Spammers be warned, Washington State has a Spam Law that is successfully
enforced.
DHTML <DH...@private.com> wrote in article
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> Pamela Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >
> > The internet is for *everyone* and for you to suggest the type of
reverse
> > censorship that you are <troll that you may be> is in of itself
childish.
>
>
> So not conforming to your ideal is "childish". Oh, excuse ME. Let's do
> everything YOU want to do .
I would suggest that you take a course in *comprehension* of the English
language. You are either deliberately side-stepping what I wrote or have
not grasped the ability to read and comprehend what you have read.
> > I believe people on a basic level deserve to be treated with respect
and
> > decently. You have made choices to the other extreme (so it appears).
You
>
>
> The only "crime" was being different than a small coterie of catish
> people.
Nope, that is not the "crime". You know it. You also have not read what I
wrote. I will once again suggest that you *read* what is written. Put your
agenda aside for 10 seconds and just *read* what is written regarding the
recent behavior on the ng from you and your cohorts. The level of
immaturity that you have demonstrated does absolutely nothing to forward
your "cause". But you are a troll. Trolls do not do postings to actually
*prove* anything other then how many responses that they can get from a
post of theirs.
> > have also expected others to conform to *you* which is selfishness at
it's
> > best. The vision I have of *you* is the bull in the china shop. You are
too
> > selfish to understand that *you* are not the center of the universe.
>
>
> And neither is your self-rightous and self-serving ideals.
> >And
> > that because we don't conform to *you* then you have the right to
stampede
> > around like a moron/jerk/ass.
>
>
> NAME CALLING!! NAME CALLING!!! Now *that's* childish! Sheesh.
"like a" ... not name calling. The analogy was for illustrative purposes
only. You really need to take a bit of time and read what is posted. But
you are a troll and you are only posting to bait.
> > Maybe this is where you get your jollies and think that you can be the
boor
> > that you are not allowed to be in Real Life....but a big surprise here,
> > people do use the internet for real reasons, not because they don't
have a
> > life <as you appear to be the example>.
>
>
> Yet another ad hominem. Pamela, this really isn't about *right* or
> *wrong*, is it? This is really about what you *LIKE* and what you
> *DON'T LIKE*. Please do not confuse these two concepts, for it will
> only make you look stupid.
Not an ad hominem. Your examples of posting behavior appear to suggest that
you don't have a life...or a conscious. If so, you would have demonstrated
either by backing off and going someplace else, demonstrating *responsible*
behavior. By the way, twisting this all to be back on me is a rather
ineffective method of argument. This is about inappropriate
behavior/posting on *your* part. Your lack of manners and consideration to
a newsgroup and the people that post here. Would you go so far as to
demonstrate similar behavior on a newsgroup regarding recovery from rape?
From your behavior you have exhibited so far, that would be a yes reply.
And to further illustrate the point I am making. I would never consider
going to a newsgroup for the sole purpose of disrupting it. I personally
find that behavior repulsive and a waste of time. I have better things to
do with my life. I also have a considerable respect for this technology
(newsgroups as an example) to pull the type of behavior that you seem to
think you have the *right* to do.
> > I came onto this newsgroup because I needed the information that is
> > available here. I did not come here to have the type of childish
behavior
> > that has been exhibited here by *you* and your ilk. From what I can
tell,
>
> You have reverted to namecalling, so you have therefore exhibited
> childish behavior yourself.
What about addressing the issue of needing the information here...or were
you too busy trying to figure out an appropriate break to insert you
"commentary"?
> > the ISP cancelled service do the violations of the conditions of the
> > agreement. It had nothing to do with stifling free speech because the
> > person signed up with the service *knowingly*.
>
> It had everything to do with free speech. It had to do with what you
> LIKE and what you DON'T LIKE. And attempts were made to cancel accounts
> and get people off of the internet for NOT LIKING. This is not the same
> as "WRONG", yet that is surely what you and others have cloaked your
> actions with.
I suspect that we have found the point of <supposed> contention. Maybe
studying contract law this summer might do you some good. Rather lame
attempt at diversion though. I think that others here discovered that there
was violations of the contract for ISP service. They took the appropriate
measures. I believe that at any time there is the "appeal" process that
could be followed through on? Obviously that was not done. So, instead of
realizing that maybe, just maybe it is time to be a grown up and make
appropriate decisions...the mentality that appears to be resorted to is to
continue the disruptive behavior. And then the only argument you can troll
with is some whining about your rights being violated. When in reality the
behavior that was in violation of the agreed upon contract is really the
issue.
> > Free speech *has* responsibilities too it.
>
>
> Then show me some thru your OWN behavior.
Sorry hon, this is about *you* and your pals. I am not obligated to show
you something at this juncture when it is you that is being discussed. All
I have done at this point is reply to the trolling. That does not give you
the right that I perform some unspecified way to your demands.
> > Free speech does not give you
> > the right to behave as a selfish moron.
>
> Which is exactly what some of the denizens here did.
You may now want to consider adding onto reading up not only on contract
law but what Free Speech is really about. You really have your "rights"
confused with selfish behavior.
> >It does give you the right to find
> > an appropriate newsgroup though for the type of conversation that you
> > enjoy.
>
>
> And it gives YOU the right to ignore and killfile.
Wrong. I have addressed this issue before. I would like to see *you* being
responsible for your behavior/posting *first*. Then if I disagree with you
I have the option of not reading your posts (although with the multiple
personalities posting like you are...I would not be able to avoid the posts
to begin with...). The responsibility to posting content is back on you.
Not me. I am responsible for what I post. I have stated already that I
should not have to monitor every single thing that my children read. I know
this is futile to even bring up to a troll...because you really don't care,
only about your selfish behavior. Maybe you think it *is* okay for a parent
to have to monitor every thing that a child reads on a newsgroup that is
named alt.sewing?
> > But you are a troll and you are only trying to generate responses.
>
> And for this I thank you from the bottom of my troller's heart.
>
>
> > You could really care less how you do that. And as advocates of free
speech
> > and the rights therein...well, you certainly do waste a lot of
bandwidth on
> > this technology.
>
>
> HUH? You make no sense at all.
If you knew anything about Free Speech...contract law and responsibility it
would not have been lost on you. Thank you for demonstrating the point that
I was baiting you on. I would guess that you are somewhere in the realm of
late teen? You must have zero initiative because at that age I had studied
contract law and even understood what it meant, was well aware of the value
of Free Speech and I sure had an understanding of responsibility and what
it truly means.
> > Maybe you will find your fight better met in say
> > Kosovo....where the free speech is obviously being stifled by religious
> > groups there.
>
>
> So for posting the word "semen" here you would like to banish people to
> a war-torn nation? What would you do to someone who said "jism"?
Read what I posted. Try comprehension courses if the meaning escapes you
still.
> > I suggest that you take a vacation to some sort of place
> > soon. Maybe your perspective on how the Real World is might be finally
> > turned to the "right" direction.
-pam
California Doll
Remember that you may be dealing with *CHILDREN*....they may be the ones
trolling.... *CHILDREN* LOVE using vulgar language....it makes them FEEL
all *grown up* even though we know they aren't. Anatomically correct
words are not vulgar just inappropriate. The only time they are
considered *vulgar* is when they are used in a vulgar context.
Until now I have *chosen* to ignore the troll posts. Now the
*anti-troll* posts are getting just as bad. NO I AM NOT PRO-TROLL. I
just want to see the ng get *BACK ON TOPIC*.
PLEASE START TO IGNORE ALL TROLL POSTS. I know it is difficult and
nerve racking at times but PLEASE TRY so it will go away.
Well this is the one and only time I will communicate concerning troll
posts, anit-troll posts, vulgar or inappropriate language and such.
Attacks against me o rthe things I have said will only *PROVE* who the
true bone heads are.
--
California Doll
Stay focused; stay curious;
do what you say you will do.
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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>
> Since you believe you have the "right" to post whatever you want...maybe
> you should not be "hiding" behind various ID's. I heard it mentioned only
> *cowards* do what you are doing, changing ID's constantly. That not having
> a life isn't good enough...but to harass and to *pretend* that you have a
> valid point is all that you are able to do because *no one* will listen to
> you in Real Life.
What are you talking about? You are stating as fact something you have
no proof of. There are many people posting here, so be careful of what
you accuse me of.
>
> Rather pathetic on your part...even sad. That you would find pleasure in
> disrupting a newsgroup.
It was originally disrupted by connie crossposting into atrw.
>Then turn around and bitch that *I* have to
> completely control the content of what my children see (instead of hoping
> that posters could be *adult* enough to control themselves) by completely
> monitoring *EVERYTHING* that they see on this newsgroup. Would be much
> easier to do if you all would stop changing your names every other day.
> That way I *could* be a responsible parent as you seem to claim I'm not via
> my *request* that you post responsibly and to consider the audience that is
> here. By the way...*children* do read this newsgroup.
I refuse to babysit for you. Dear Soccer Mom: learn the meaning of
responsibility .
>I should not have to
> spend the time to read every single post to find out if it is okay for my
> child to read. Just as I should not have to read every single book before
> hand (at least authors tend to be responsible regarding what language they
> use in their books, taking care to understand their audience). And I'm
> talking *children* here. Children that are not ready to understand the
> "terms" that you think you have the right to troll with.
>
> But you are a troll and you are just going to consider this *another* post
> that is only replied to your trolling. Instead of taking the time to read
> this and actually maybe reflect upon your actions. I sincerely hope that in
> Real Life that you get the "awakening" that you deserve, and soon.
And you need no awakening on the rights and liberties of others? I
hope you just love Clinton. He is whtat you deserve.
DHTML
>
> --
> Poster is a resident of Washington State.
> Spammers be warned, Washington State has a Spam Law that is successfully
> enforced.
>
> DHTML <DH...@private.com> wrote in article
> <3772EA4D...@private.com>...
> > Pamela Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > >
> > > The internet is for *everyone* and for you to suggest the type of
> reverse
> > > censorship that you are <troll that you may be> is in of itself
> childish.
> >
> >
> > So not conforming to your ideal is "childish". Oh, excuse ME. Let's do
> > everything YOU want to do .
>
> I would suggest that you take a course in *comprehension* of the English
> language. You are either deliberately side-stepping what I wrote or have
> not grasped the ability to read and comprehend what you have read.
Poor sidestep of the real issue. Doesn't surprise me.
>
> > > I believe people on a basic level deserve to be treated with respect
> and
> > > decently. You have made choices to the other extreme (so it appears).
> You
> >
> >
> > The only "crime" was being different than a small coterie of catish
> > people.
>
> Nope, that is not the "crime". You know it. You also have not read what I
> wrote. I will once again suggest that you *read* what is written. Put your
> agenda aside for 10 seconds and just *read* what is written regarding the
> recent behavior on the ng from you and your cohorts. The level of
> immaturity that you have demonstrated does absolutely nothing to forward
> your "cause". But you are a troll. Trolls do not do postings to actually
> *prove* anything other then how many responses that they can get from a
> post of theirs.
Not conforming to YOUR standard was the only "crime" as you call it.
There are plenty of OT posts here I do not see you complaing about.
Your selectivity on this matter exposes your hypocrisy.
>
> > > have also expected others to conform to *you* which is selfishness at
> it's
> > > best. The vision I have of *you* is the bull in the china shop. You are
> too
> > > selfish to understand that *you* are not the center of the universe.
> >
> >
> > And neither is your self-rightous and self-serving ideals.
>
>
> > >And
> > > that because we don't conform to *you* then you have the right to
> stampede
> > > around like a moron/jerk/ass.
> >
> >
> > NAME CALLING!! NAME CALLING!!! Now *that's* childish! Sheesh.
>
> "like a" ... not name calling.
Oh? Is THAT what you want to teach the CHILDREN who read this ng? They
can call other kids and adults "like an ass" and it's ok? Again, I
expose your hypocrisy. (and you were preaching to me on corrupting kids
with your self-righteous indignation). I believe your ignorance is your
worst enemy.
> The analogy was for illustrative purposes
> only.
So is the use of the word semen. Why the double standard?
I believe your ignorance is your worst enemy.
> You really need to take a bit of time and read what is posted. But
> you are a troll and you are only posting to bait.
You need to read what YOU write. You contradict yourself in an
unprecedented way on usenet.
I believe your ignorance is your worst enemy.
>
> > > Maybe this is where you get your jollies and think that you can be the
> boor
> > > that you are not allowed to be in Real Life....but a big surprise here,
> > > people do use the internet for real reasons, not because they don't
> have a
> > > life <as you appear to be the example>.
> >
> >
> > Yet another ad hominem. Pamela, this really isn't about *right* or
> > *wrong*, is it? This is really about what you *LIKE* and what you
> > *DON'T LIKE*. Please do not confuse these two concepts, for it will
> > only make you look stupid.
>
> Not an ad hominem. Your examples of posting behavior appear to suggest that
> you don't have a life...or a conscious.
Ad hominem.
> If so, you would have demonstrated
> either by backing off and going someplace else, demonstrating *responsible*
> behavior.
Ad hominem.
> By the way, twisting this all to be back on me is a rather
> ineffective method of argument.
Can take the heat?
> This is about inappropriate
> behavior/posting on *your* part.
Ad hominem.
> Your lack of manners and consideration to
Ad hominem.
> a newsgroup and the people that post here. Would you go so far as to
> demonstrate similar behavior on a newsgroup regarding recovery from rape?
> From your behavior you have exhibited so far, that would be a yes reply.
Ad hominem.
>
> And to further illustrate the point I am making. I would never consider
> going to a newsgroup for the sole purpose of disrupting it.
I;m sure the denizens here appreciate you practicing what you preach by
starting and perpetuating this thread.
I believe your ignorance is your worst enemy.
> I personally
> find that behavior repulsive and a waste of time.
Ad hominem.
> I have better things to
> do with my life.
Like sewing? Get a life.
>I also have a considerable respect for this technology
> (newsgroups as an example)
So much respect that you want to deprive people of access based on your
own personal beliefs and mores.
> to pull the type of behavior that you seem to
> think you have the *right* to do.
Ad hominem.
>
> > > I came onto this newsgroup because I needed the information that is
> > > available here. I did not come here to have the type of childish
> behavior
> > > that has been exhibited here by *you* and your ilk. From what I can
> tell,
> >
> > You have reverted to namecalling, so you have therefore exhibited
> > childish behavior yourself.
>
> What about addressing the issue of needing the information here...or were
> you too busy trying to figure out an appropriate break to insert you
> "commentary"?
I do not care about your needs. Your needs go way beyond my capacity to
educate you.
>
> > > the ISP cancelled service do the violations of the conditions of the
> > > agreement. It had nothing to do with stifling free speech because the
> > > person signed up with the service *knowingly*.
> >
> > It had everything to do with free speech. It had to do with what you
> > LIKE and what you DON'T LIKE. And attempts were made to cancel accounts
> > and get people off of the internet for NOT LIKING. This is not the same
> > as "WRONG", yet that is surely what you and others have cloaked your
> > actions with.
>
> I suspect that we have found the point of <supposed> contention. Maybe
> studying contract law this summer might do you some good. Rather lame
> attempt at diversion though. I think that others here discovered that there
> was violations of the contract for ISP service.>They took the appropriate
> measures.
Oh? So they do this all the time or ONLY WHEN THEY DON'T **LIKE***
SOMEONE????
THIS IS MY POINT WHICH YOU FAIL TO COMPREHEND. YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE TRYING TO
RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.
> I believe that at any time there is the "appeal" process that
> could be followed through on? Obviously that was not done. So, instead of
> realizing that maybe, just maybe it is time to be a grown up and make
> appropriate decisions...the mentality that appears to be resorted to is to
> continue the disruptive behavior. And then the only argument you can troll
> with is some whining about your rights being violated. When in reality the
> behavior that was in violation of the agreed upon contract is really the
> issue.
Perhaps you should read some CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. You have failed to
prove me wrong on even one point I have made. You have no argument and
you know it, and you also know there is nothing on an intellectual level
you can do to combat me. You have ignored the real issues in my
statements above.
>
> > > Free speech *has* responsibilities too it.
> >
> >
> > Then show me some thru your OWN behavior.
>
> Sorry hon, this is about *you* and your pals. I am not obligated to show
> you something at this juncture when it is you that is being discussed. All
> I have done at this point is reply to the trolling. That does not give you
> the right that I perform some unspecified way to your demands.
Nor do I have an obligation. You sure do like to make obvious
statements.
And this is more aobut you and y our pals, babe.
>
> > > Free speech does not give you
> > > the right to behave as a selfish moron.
> >
> > Which is exactly what some of the denizens here did.
>
> You may now want to consider adding onto reading up not only on contract
> law but what Free Speech is really about. You really have your "rights"
> confused with selfish behavior.
You have no comprehension of liberty and rights of others.
YOU ARE TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU
ARE TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.
>
> > >It does give you the right to find
> > > an appropriate newsgroup though for the type of conversation that you
> > > enjoy.
> >
> >
> > And it gives YOU the right to ignore and killfile.
>
> Wrong. I have addressed this issue before. I would like to see *you* being
> responsible for your behavior/posting *first*.
This is no way proves my statement "wrong".....try again.
>Then if I disagree with you
> I have the option of not reading your posts (although with the multiple
> personalities posting like you are...I would not be able to avoid the posts
> to begin with...). The responsibility to posting content is back on you.
True. And I made my choice and you must deal with it and respect my
rights.
> Not me. I am responsible for what I post.
I imagine many would disagree with you, even in this group.
>I have stated already that I
> should not have to monitor every single thing that my children read.
Oh, so YOU DON'T WANT TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR RAISING YOUR CHILDREN,
AND INSTEAD YOU WANT *ME* TO BE RESPONBSIBLE FOR THEM. CAN I SEND THEM
SOME BOOZE?
You talk a lot about responsibility, but in the final analysis, you want
nothing to do with it. Responsibility is something that YOU THINK
applies only to other people--people who you do not like. But precious
little YOU don't want to be inconveinced by it. You want to have
others raise your kids for you.
(I'm sure you'll have NO response to this....what can you say???
nothing).
>I know
> this is futile to even bring up to a troll...because you really don't care,
> only about your selfish behavior. Maybe you think it *is* okay for a parent
> to have to monitor every thing that a child reads on a newsgroup that is
> named alt.sewing?
>
> > > But you are a troll and you are only trying to generate responses.
> >
> > And for this I thank you from the bottom of my troller's heart.
> >
> >
> > > You could really care less how you do that. And as advocates of free
> speech
> > > and the rights therein...well, you certainly do waste a lot of
> bandwidth on
> > > this technology.
> >
> >
> > HUH? You make no sense at all.
>
> If you knew anything about Free Speech...contract law and responsibility it
> would not have been lost on you. Thank you for demonstrating the point that
> I was baiting you on. I would guess that you are somewhere in the realm of
> late teen? You must have zero initiative because at that age I had studied
> contract law and even understood what it meant, was well aware of the value
> of Free Speech and I sure had an understanding of responsibility and what
> it truly means.
I think you have proven your ignorance. Your statement was a broken
sentence that made no sense.
>
> > > Maybe you will find your fight better met in say
> > > Kosovo....where the free speech is obviously being stifled by religious
> > > groups there.
> >
> >
> > So for posting the word "semen" here you would like to banish people to
> > a war-torn nation? What would you do to someone who said "jism"?
>
> Read what I posted. Try comprehension courses if the meaning escapes you
> still.
I think it is obvious who has zero comprehension skills here...YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
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TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
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TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
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TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU DO NOT LIKE THEM.YOU ARE
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Rebecca Ore
>
> Pamela Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> > I have better things to
> > do with my life.
>
> Like sewing? Get a life.
<Glare> I also have sewn, to balance the butchness of writing science
fiction novels. Sewing is closer to life than keyboarding -- many more
flexible hand gestures, more topological thinking.
> > Sorry hon, this is about *you* and your pals. I am not obligated to show
> > you something at this juncture when it is you that is being discussed. All
> > I have done at this point is reply to the trolling. That does not give you
> > the right that I perform some unspecified way to your demands.
I keep telling people that if you play with the trolls, you have to buy
them dinner. I've seen a lot of people ignoring them in this group,
probably a higher percentage than in most groups that this particular
bunch of people has invaded.
You've put yourself in the position of a woman who's decided to tell off
street catcallers -- it's admirable, but it can get you into wrangles
(though not into the physical dangers you might face if you were dealing
with street catcallers).
Ignoring the trolls works as well as ignoring the "hey, baby, baby"
calling guys.
Your life might become more interesting if you interact with the trolls
in a human fashion -- sort of like telling street panhandlers "sorry,"
rather than ignoring them or berating them for not having jobs.
Don't know how much you know about the really famous trolls, but I've
never heard of any of them being kept offline for long. And being
hostile to them, even if you think it's justified, tends to breed
hostilities that despammers and cancellers and various other hangers-on
in the net abuse community are prepared to deal with, but I'm not quite
sure you know what you could be getting into. Fortunately for your
group, alt.sewing isn't considered a hard target.
--
Rebecca Ore
jha...@wwnet.com
be half daft....because when all is said and done, we know how to sew
one and where we could locate the material.......and You still don't.
So there. Joy
DHTML
But you can not use one. :-)
act...@askmehow.com
Sick minds and mental derangements are in fact commonly treatable by
medication and sometimes confinement in an institiution where
clinically proficient medical advice and treatment can lessen the
symptoms. Has DHTML considered either of these options ????
Remember, mental illness can be cured but only if you act NOW !!!
dhtml can be located through http://www.altopia.com
act...@askmehow.com
>
>But you can not use one. :-)
Sick minds and mental derangements are in fact commonly treatable by
medication and sometimes confinement in an institiution where
clinically proficient medical advice and treatment can lessen the
symptoms. Has DHTML considered either of these options ????
Remember, mental illness can be cured but only if you act NOW !!!
T can be located through http://www.altopia.com
act...@askmehow.com
(SNIPPED)
Sick minds and mental derangements are in fact commonly treatable by
medication and sometimes confinement in an institiution where
clinically proficient medical advice and treatment can lessen the
symptoms. Has Ms. T considered either of these options ????
Remember, mental illness can be cured but only if you act NOW !!!
..Ms. T can be located through http://www.altopia.com
DHTML
>
> On Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:32:45 -0400, DHTML <DH...@private.com> wrote:
> Sick minds and mental derangements are in fact commonly treatable by
> medication and sometimes confinement in an institiution where
> clinically proficient medical advice and treatment can lessen the
> symptoms. Has DHTML considered either of these options ????
> Remember, mental illness can be cured but only if you act NOW !!!
> dhtml can be located through http://www.altopia.com
You are being mean to me. But that's ok. I'm going to turn hurts into
halos and go on my merry way. And my sewing penis vaginal discharge
will continue too.
DHTML
>
> On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 10:43:40 -0400, DHTML <DH...@private.com> wrote:
> (SNIPPED)
>
> medication and sometimes confinement in an institiution where
> clinically proficient medical advice and treatment can lessen the
> Remember, mental illness can be cured but only if you act NOW !!!
Cocksucker. Lick me.