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bang...@gmail.com

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Jan 28, 2007, 2:44:15 AM1/28/07
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I have a kenmore overlock 3/4d model 16641 serger and I honestly have
no idea what happened. I was sewing a test piece of fabric to make
sure the tension was ok, got to the end and was running a couple extra
inches of chain and all of a sudden the needle broke. I stopped and
opened up the area where you thread it, and the upper looper was
flipped the wrong way, and the lower looper is all wiggly. I figured
out how to righten the upper looper and tighten it but I can't figure
out how to tighten the lower looper.

The sears part site has schematics of the serger that might help me
but the site is down right now, but I was wondering if anyone knows
how to tighten the lower looper. The screw that looks like it could
tighten it won't budge (won't tighten or loosen).

Here is a link to some pictures of the problem. Notice how the lower
looper is in two different positions. I changed the position by
simply touching the looper with my finger. The screw that won't
budge is the one

http://laurabangerter.servehttp.com/sewing

anyone have any ideas?

Wayne Hines

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Jan 28, 2007, 7:08:55 AM1/28/07
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On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:44:15 UTC, bang...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a kenmore overlock 3/4d model 16641 serger and I honestly have
> no idea what happened. I was sewing a test piece of fabric to make
> sure the tension was ok, got to the end and was running a couple extra
> inches of chain and all of a sudden the needle broke. I stopped and

You may have pulled just a slight bit too much on the thread and pulled
the lower looper enough to collide with the upper. Maybe a thread hit a
snag enough to pull the needle or one of the loopers out of alignment.
The screws holding the loopers may not have been as tight as they should
have been and one of the loopers may have moved out of alignment.


>
> The sears part site has schematics of the serger that might help me
> but the site is down right now, but I was wondering if anyone knows
> how to tighten the lower looper. The screw that looks like it could
> tighten it won't budge (won't tighten or loosen).

The screw at the end of the red arrow only holds a thread guide in
place. If you look at the picture, slightly to the left and slightly
above the one with the red arrow, you can see part of the head of the
screw that holds the looper arm to the shaft. That screw may take a
Phillips screwdriver (sometimes it will take an Allan key), or, if
there's room, you may be able to get an appropriately-sized wrench on
it. It may take a bit of trial-and-error to get that looper, the upper
looper and the needles all moving together properly.

gwh


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Ron Anderson

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Jan 28, 2007, 12:51:51 PM1/28/07
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You would do well to solicit the services of a trained technician


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Jan 28, 2007, 1:09:15 PM1/28/07
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On Jan 28, 4:08 am, "Wayne Hines" <w.d.hi...@nospam.ns.sympatico.ca>
wrote:


> On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:44:15 UTC, bange...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I have a kenmore overlock 3/4d model 16641 serger and I honestly have
> > no idea what happened. I was sewing a test piece of fabric to make
> > sure the tension was ok, got to the end and was running a couple extra

> > inches of chain and all of a sudden the needle broke. I stopped andYou may have pulled just a slight bit too much on the thread and pulled


> the lower looper enough to collide with the upper. Maybe a thread hit a
> snag enough to pull the needle or one of the loopers out of alignment.
> The screws holding the loopers may not have been as tight as they should
> have been and one of the loopers may have moved out of alignment.

Thanks I don't want to do that again.


> > The sears part site has schematics of the serger that might help me
> > but the site is down right now, but I was wondering if anyone knows
> > how to tighten the lower looper. The screw that looks like it could

> > tighten it won't budge (won't tighten or loosen).The screw at the end of the red arrow only holds a thread guide in


> place. If you look at the picture, slightly to the left and slightly
> above the one with the red arrow, you can see part of the head of the
> screw that holds the looper arm to the shaft. That screw may take a
> Phillips screwdriver (sometimes it will take an Allan key), or, if
> there's room, you may be able to get an appropriately-sized wrench on
> it. It may take a bit of trial-and-error to get that looper, the upper
> looper and the needles all moving together properly.
>
> gwh

Unfortunately, I tried that screw too (its stuck as well) plus hard to
get an angle on, but I don't think it's going to help because it is
actually the whole shaft that's loose. The looper is actually pretty
tight to the shaft. Unfortunately to tighten the shaft I think I have
to get inside the machine, and at the moment I have no clue on how to
do that. I'll probably have to take it in.

bang...@gmail.com

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Jan 28, 2007, 1:30:39 PM1/28/07
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>Unfortunately, I tried that screw too (its stuck as well) plus hard to
> get an angle on, but I don't think it's going to help because it is
> actually the whole shaft that's loose. The looper is actually pretty
> tight to the shaft. Unfortunately to tighten the shaft I think I have
> to get inside the machine, and at the moment I have no clue on how to
> do that. I'll probably have to take it in.

Opened up the bottom of the serger, and found the loose screw,
tightened it, and its great. Now I just have to figure out where the
loopers are supposed to be positioned relative to the needle when they
are at the highest point, and when they are at their lowest.
Unfortunately I don't think that info is anywhere on the sears
website, but I'll look. I have some info for a singer machine so I
guess I'll start there.

Thanks!

Wayne Hines

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Jan 28, 2007, 4:59:42 PM1/28/07
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As Ron mentioned earlier, now might be the time to seek professional
help, especially since both loopers were not in the proper places. :-)

There will be a measurement between the lower looper and the left needle
when the needle is at its lowest point and the looper is at its far left
point. This varies from machine to machine. Then, there's the position
where the point of the upper looper meets the bottom of the lower looper
relative to the eye of the lower looper, and the distance between the
two loopers as they cross. Then, there's the distance from the point of
the upper looper and the left needle when the upper looper is at its far
left position. These measurements all have to be fairly exact for the
machine to perform well.

gwh

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Pogonip

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Jan 28, 2007, 5:34:31 PM1/28/07
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bang...@gmail.com

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Jan 29, 2007, 11:43:56 AM1/29/07
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Thanks for the help. Well I got it working. It actually wasn't too
difficult to get the loopers placed since I knew which screws became
loose to cause them to move so I only had to experiment moving them in
one direction. Also there weren't too many options in how to place
them without causing everything to run into each other which obviously
wouldn't be a good thing. So anyways after quite a few hours of
fiddling with it, it seems to be working.

I bought the machine used, so I didn't want to take it in and get it
repaired for twice as much as I paid for it inititially, also I wasn't
too worried about totally busting it since I hadn't paid that much for
it. Once again thanks for the help.

Wayne Hines

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Jan 29, 2007, 5:39:02 PM1/29/07
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I'm glad you were able to get it working. I don't know if you've had
any/much experience working with sewing machines. If so, and perhaps
even if not, you have learned that sergers are special. :-)

gwh

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susan...@gmail.com

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May 31, 2014, 5:18:25 PM5/31/14
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I have the same serger Kenmore 3 4D Model 16641. Bought it used, does anyone know where I can get the vhs?

ItsJoanNotJoann

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Jun 1, 2014, 4:03:43 PM6/1/14
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On Saturday, May 31, 2014 4:18:25 PM UTC-5, susan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I have the same serger Kenmore 3 4D Model 16641. Bought it used, does anyone know where I can get the vhs?
>
>
I dunno, but maybe someone from this SEVEN YEAR OLD THREAD will buzz by and help you find a vhs tape. But I doubt if you can locate an instructional video if it will be in tape form and probably be in a dvd format.

BEI Design

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Jun 1, 2014, 5:05:16 PM6/1/14
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ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
> On Saturday, May 31, 2014 4:18:25 PM UTC-5, susan...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>> I have the same serger Kenmore 3 4D Model 16641. Bought it
>> used, does anyone know where I can get the vhs?
>>
>>
> I dunno, but maybe someone from this SEVEN YEAR OLD THREAD

Yeah, I decided to let it lie there. :-} Extensive searching never
did find *any* link to a "vhs" for that machine.

> will buzz by and help you find a vhs tape. But I doubt if you
> can locate an instructional video if it will be in tape form
> and probably be in a dvd format.

LOL! I have a VHS instructional video that came with my
brand-new-in-2005 Huskylock 936.
http://www.husqvarnaviking.com/ko/882_803.htm

I have dubbed the VHS to DVD for archival purposes.

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ItsJoanNotJoann

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Jun 1, 2014, 10:51:27 PM6/1/14
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On Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:05:16 PM UTC-5, BEI Design wrote:
>
> LOL! I have a VHS instructional video that came with my
> brand-new-in-2005 Huskylock 936.
> http://www.husqvarnaviking.com/ko/882_803.htm
>
> I have dubbed the VHS to DVD for archival purposes.
>
>
> Beverly
>
>
Good girl! If that VHS was to ever get chewed up in a VCR (if you still have one)that would be the end of that video.

BEI Design

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Jun 2, 2014, 3:03:11 AM6/2/14
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ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
> On Sunday, June 1, 2014 4:05:16 PM UTC-5, BEI Design wrote:
>>
>> LOL! I have a VHS instructional video that came with my
>> brand-new-in-2005 Huskylock 936.
>> http://www.husqvarnaviking.com/ko/882_803.htm
>>
>> I have dubbed the VHS to DVD for archival purposes.
>>
> Good girl! If that VHS was to ever get chewed up in a VCR (if
> you still have one)that would be the end of that video.

I have a Zenith DVD/VHS dual macine. I *can* use the VHS side for
watching some of the old stuff, but mostly I use it to dub DVD
copies of family VHS tapes and old shows we recorded back in the day
(though I'll probably never get around to watching most of them).

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Jan 13, 2017, 5:08:01 PM1/13/17
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You have to go through the bottom
I have same issue
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