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BEI Design

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Jun 8, 2008, 11:34:29 PM6/8/08
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...from banging my head on the sewing table!

Today, I hooped the fleece throw for DGS, ran the embroidery
machine through the custom design, removed the hoop, clipped
all the jump threads, and removed the hoop. As I was
cutting off the excess stabilizer, I realized I had failed
to make the last thread change, a red bar separating the
upper and lower text of the logo. Aaaarrgghh!

Fortunately, the hoop impression was very apparent, so I
carefully placed the fabric back in the hoop with a sheet of
water soluble Solvy on top as the only stabilizer, manually
forwarded the design to the last thread change, and once I
was sure everything was lined up, I proceeded to add the red
bar. Thankfully, it looks fine, but my forehead hurts.

I hate doing stupid stuff!

I also have completed digitizing and embroidering a custom
design my DD sent me, on a hooded sweat jacket for DGS. I
had to remove the zipper, she wanted the arched "PACIFIC"
outline text to go across the front. So as soon as I sew
the zipper back on, it will be ready to go.

Beverly


Sarah Dale

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Jun 9, 2008, 5:28:24 PM6/9/08
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BEI Design wrote:
> ...from banging my head on the sewing table!

> cutting off the excess stabilizer, I realized I had failed

> to make the last thread change, a red bar separating the
> upper and lower text of the logo. Aaaarrgghh!

Beverly,

Know the feeling - I was doing it as well on Sunday! I mean curtains,
how easy - but I ended up ripping out two seams!

Seam number 1 came out when I realised (6" from the end) that I had the
lining fabric at 90 degrees to the main fabric - in my defence I must
point out these curtains are nearly square! and the lining is blackout
lining.....

Seam number 2 came out on the same curtain when I realised after sewing
it that the fabric had bunched up every now and again and was now
semi-gathered on the lining ARGH!

And then DD woke up Monday night whilst I was sewing the header tape on
to curtain #1..... so all work stopped.

Curtain #1 has now just been hung, and curtain #2 just awaits header
tape. Then I can swap colours in the SM and sew the rod pocket for the
sheer.

Sarah

BEI Design

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Jun 9, 2008, 7:14:30 PM6/9/08
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Sarah Dale wrote:
> BEI Design wrote:
> > ...from banging my head on the sewing table!
>
> > cutting off the excess stabilizer, I realized I had
> > failed to make the last thread change, a red bar
> > separating the
> > upper and lower text of the logo. Aaaarrgghh!
>
> Beverly,
>
> Know the feeling - I was doing it as well on Sunday! I
> mean curtains, how easy - but I ended up ripping out two
> seams!

Trust me on this, tearing out several inches of
10-or-12-stitches-to-the-inch stitching is a whole lot
easier than ripping dense embroidery fill stitching. Ask me
how I know this.... :-(

> Seam number 1 came out when I realised (6" from the end)
> that I had the lining fabric at 90 degrees to the main
> fabric - in my defence I must point out these curtains
> are nearly square! and the lining is blackout lining.....
>
> Seam number 2 came out on the same curtain when I
> realised after sewing it that the fabric had bunched up
> every now and again and was now semi-gathered on the
> lining ARGH!
> And then DD woke up Monday night whilst I was sewing the
> header tape on to curtain #1..... so all work stopped.
>
> Curtain #1 has now just been hung, and curtain #2 just
> awaits header tape. Then I can swap colours in the SM and
> sew the rod pocket for the sheer.

You're making great progress, especially with a babe to care
for as well. I hope you can put up pictures of the
butterfly mobile.

Beverly


Emily Bengston

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Jun 9, 2008, 8:18:15 PM6/9/08
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On 6/8/08 10:34 PM, in article 2NidnbFKNJdXOdHV...@comcast.com,
"BEI Design" <nobeide...@comcast.net.invalid> wrote:

You are one busy lady, Beverly; I only hope to have some outfits for the
DGD, finished by the time I visit her in two weeks. Her Mom is finally
accepting the fact that clothing I make for her is okay; I've almost
finished two pair of jeans, one of bright pink, stretch twill and another
light-weight pale green denim. Of course, I will have to hem them during
the visit, as well as the dress & shorts already finished, except the hems.
After we return home, I have a list of items to make for the babies of two
great-nieces. Twin girls, due in September and a boy, already 7-months old,
who is growing very rapidly.
Emily

Pogonip

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Jun 9, 2008, 10:39:45 PM6/9/08
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BEI Design wrote:
> ...from banging my head on the sewing table!
>
> Today, I hooped the fleece throw for DGS, ran the embroidery
> machine through the custom design, removed the hoop, clipped
> all the jump threads, and removed the hoop. As I was
> cutting off the excess stabilizer, I realized I had failed
> to make the last thread change, a red bar separating the
> upper and lower text of the logo. Aaaarrgghh!
If you're going to do something like that, try to do it with white
thread and keep a package of permanent color markers on hand.....
--
Joanne
stitches @ singerlady.reno.nv.us.earth.milky-way.com
http://members.tripod.com/~bernardschopen/

BEI Design

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Jun 10, 2008, 3:01:11 AM6/10/08
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Pogonip wrote:
> BEI Design wrote:
<sni>


> > I realized I had failed to make the last thread
> > change, a red bar separating the
> > upper and lower text of the logo. Aaaarrgghh!

> If you're going to do something like that, try to do it
> with white thread and keep a package of permanent color
> markers on hand.....

I think I didn't make myself clear. I didn't stitch the
bars in white, I failed to stitch them *at all*. This was
remedied by re-hooping the fabric, lining up the design very
carefully and stitching the red bars.

The stitch removal I referred to in another message was for
a different mistake. I discovered after I embroidered
[first & last name] and "Class of 2012" on the throw, that I
had managed to make the text different sizes...noticeably
different. <sigh> I failed to take into account the lower
case "pp" in the name, which resulted in parts of the
letters below the line. When I used the digitizing software
to re-size each part to 1.125 inches tall, the result was
that the upper case letters in the name were much smaller
than the caps in the "Class of...". I removed *all* the
name stitches and re-embroidered it after correcting the
design. Thank the ghoddess for my Wahl stitch eraser (AKA
mustache trimmer). ;-)

It's done, rolled and tied, ready to wrap. If the new
charcoal zipper I ordered from zipperstop.com gets here
before Friday I'll use it for the jacket, otherwise I'll use
the original zipper, although it's a nasty metal one.

Beverly


Pogonip

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Jun 10, 2008, 5:16:38 AM6/10/08
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Oh dear. That definitely calls for a bottle of Merlot and a boxxa Godivas.

Lizzy Taylor

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Jun 10, 2008, 5:40:12 AM6/10/08
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BEI Design wrote:
> I removed *all* the
> name stitches and re-embroidered it after correcting the
> design. Thank the ghoddess for my Wahl stitch eraser (AKA
> mustache trimmer). ;-)

Which side do you "shave" ? I managed to catch the bottom ribbing of a
sweatshirt for DH in the embroidery :-( and I still haven't managed to
remove it. Any tips would be much appreciated.

Lizzy

Lizzy Taylor

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Jun 10, 2008, 5:42:38 AM6/10/08
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BEI Design wrote:

> It's done, rolled and tied, ready to wrap. If the new
> charcoal zipper I ordered from zipperstop.com gets here
> before Friday I'll use it for the jacket, otherwise I'll use
> the original zipper, although it's a nasty metal one.

I hope it arrives in time, it is so much nicer to use a matching zip
rather than a scratchy metal one. I know the finished jacket will look
great whichever you have to use.

Lizzy

Sharon Hays

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Jun 10, 2008, 10:04:22 AM6/10/08
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BEI Design wrote:


>
> I think I didn't make myself clear. I didn't stitch the
> bars in white, I failed to stitch them *at all*. This was
> remedied by re-hooping the fabric, lining up the design very
> carefully and stitching the red bars.
>
> The stitch removal I referred to in another message was for
> a different mistake. I discovered after I embroidered
> [first & last name] and "Class of 2012" on the throw, that I
> had managed to make the text different sizes...noticeably
> different. <sigh> I failed to take into account the lower
> case "pp" in the name, which resulted in parts of the
> letters below the line. When I used the digitizing software
> to re-size each part to 1.125 inches tall, the result was
> that the upper case letters in the name were much smaller
> than the caps in the "Class of...". I removed *all* the
> name stitches and re-embroidered it after correcting the
> design. Thank the ghoddess for my Wahl stitch eraser (AKA
> mustache trimmer). ;-)
>
> It's done, rolled and tied, ready to wrap. If the new
> charcoal zipper I ordered from zipperstop.com gets here
> before Friday I'll use it for the jacket, otherwise I'll use
> the original zipper, although it's a nasty metal one.
>
> Beverly


ohdearohdearohdear!!!

I'da been cuuuh-ssing!!!!!! Great save, Beverly!!!!!

I did think of you yesterday. I'd read about your embroidery adventures. I
got the kids new towels yesterday. For years (since I got the embroidery
machine anyway) I have embroidered their names on their towels. That way
(and yes this is what I told them when I did it) I would know who to yell
at when I found a towel on the floor. ;)

The new Bath Sheets (oooh la la!) have a wide cotton band a couple inches
from each end. The band is about 2" tall. So that's where I wanted to
embroider their names. I carefully, thinking of you the whole time,
centered the hoop both ways. I may be a teeny bit off, but it's not by
much. ;) And I, again thinking of you, checked everything carefully
before I took the hoop off.

See what a guiding force you are in my sewing room??? :)

Sharon
--
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and just annoys the
pig.

BEI Design

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Jun 10, 2008, 2:18:39 PM6/10/08
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Pogonip wrote:
> BEI Design wrote:
<snip>

> Oh dear. That definitely calls for a bottle of Merlot
> and a boxxa Godivas.

What a good idea! ;-)

Beverly


BEI Design

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Jun 10, 2008, 2:33:08 PM6/10/08
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Lizzy Taylor wrote:
> BEI Design wrote:
> > I removed *all* the
> > name stitches and re-embroidered it after correcting the
> > design. Thank the ghoddess for my Wahl stitch eraser
> > (AKA mustache trimmer). ;-)
>
> Which side do you "shave" ?

The "wrong" side (the bobbin threads), so that the
stabilizer protects the fabric. I'm very careful to shave
bobbin stitches, turn to the right side and pull out
stitches, shave more bobbin stitches, pull more right-side
stitches, etc. I use the index finger of my left hand to
curve the fabric up slightly so that only the bobbin
stitches are exposed to the shaver blades. It's a tedious
task, but at least I salvaged the project.

> I managed to catch the
> bottom ribbing of a sweatshirt for DH in the embroidery
> :-( and I still haven't managed to remove it. Any tips
> would be much appreciated.

You will not have stabilizer under the stitches to protect
the ribbing, so you'll have to be *very* careful. I always
use lots of light, and "shave" *just* until the stabilizer
begins to show through the bobbin stitches. Use the fingers
of your free hand to push up the area to be shaved, place
the blade at right angle to the lay of the bobbin threads,
and proceed a *little* at a time. I use a bent-tip hemostat
to grip the right-side threads to gently tug them out.
http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/PROD/fishing/BLU02
Good luck!

NAYY,

Beverly


BEI Design

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Jun 10, 2008, 2:34:44 PM6/10/08
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Thanks! I bought a nice zipper locally but it's not a good
color match, so I hope the online one arrives in time to use
it.

Beverly


BEI Design

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Jun 10, 2008, 2:38:04 PM6/10/08
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Sharon Hays wrote:
> BEI Design wrote:
<snip>
>
>
> ohdearohdearohdear!!!
>
> I'da been cuuuh-ssing!!!!!! Great save, Beverly!!!!!

I was, and thanks!

> I carefully, thinking of you the whole time, centered the
> hoop both ways. I may be a teeny bit off, but it's not
> by much. ;) And I, again thinking of you, checked
> everything carefully before I took the hoop off.
>
> See what a guiding force you are in my sewing room??? :)

So happy my (really bad) experience helps you out. ;-)

Beverly


Sarah Dale

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Jun 10, 2008, 5:04:55 PM6/10/08
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BEI Design wrote:

> Trust me on this, tearing out several inches of
> 10-or-12-stitches-to-the-inch stitching is a whole lot
> easier than ripping dense embroidery fill stitching. Ask me
> how I know this.... :-(

I know I know! Have you seen those nifty little gadgets that look like
whiskers trimmers for use taking out embroidery stitching? Sort of shave
the back of the material - and away it all comes.

> You're making great progress, especially with a babe to care
> for as well. I hope you can put up pictures of the
> butterfly mobile.

DD is 2 yrs 5 mths now! Mind you, I only weaned her off the breast a
month ago! It's just trying to fit it all in that's the problem.
Demanding, intelligent high input toddler, work, hobbies, social life
(what social life?), R&R time etc.... I'm still adjusting to not
breastfeeding! Gestating #2 is tiring which doesn't help.

I am indeed hoping to put up some photos of DD's new room when done.
Curtain #2 got completed this evening, and the sheer (hideous material!)
and everything has been hung up, and fits and looks good!

Now all I have to do is cut out a dozen butterflies (7 done), stiffen 8
or so to form the mobile, paint a mural and stick the rest on the wall
to complete the mural... Oh yeah, and build a bed, have my new sewing
desk delivered, sort out the mess in the guest bedroom (what guest
bedroom - the bed is now a mountain of quickly moved sewing room stuff -
and no floor space - machines and furniture all over!), have a weekend
away, go on holiday for a week, and all the normal stuff! PHEW!

Sarah

Pogonip

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Jun 10, 2008, 6:49:51 PM6/10/08
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Sarah Dale wrote:
>
> I know I know! Have you seen those nifty little gadgets that look like
> whiskers trimmers for use taking out embroidery stitching? Sort of shave
> the back of the material - and away it all comes.

It's identical to an Oster or Wahl trimmer, except that the plastic case
is pink instead of black, and the price is something like $60 instead of
$19.95.

BEI Design

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Jun 10, 2008, 7:00:12 PM6/10/08
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Pogonip wrote:
> Sarah Dale wrote:
> >
> > I know I know! Have you seen those nifty little gadgets
> > that look like whiskers trimmers for use taking out
> > embroidery stitching? Sort of shave the back of the
> > material - and away it all comes.
>
> It's identical to an Oster or Wahl trimmer, except that
> the plastic case is pink instead of black, and the price
> is something like $60 instead of $19.95.

I decided to buy the Wahl Mustache Trimmer ($16.99 on sale
IIRC) after looking at the $70 "thread trimmers", the Wahl
works great.

Beverly


Pogonip

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Jun 10, 2008, 9:14:05 PM6/10/08
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It really is the exact same thing. It's just a case of labeling. They
do the same thing with tape measures and lamps and all sorts of things.
If you buy it in a hardware, drug, or other regular store, it costs a
fraction of what the specialty sewing shop charges. They do usually put
a pretty cover on it, though. What am I telling you this for, anyway!
You're the one went to the source for the scissors and hemostats!

BEI Design

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Jun 11, 2008, 1:16:39 AM6/11/08
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Pogonip wrote:
> BEI Design wrote:

> > I decided to buy the Wahl Mustache Trimmer ($16.99 on
> > sale IIRC) after looking at the $70 "thread trimmers",
> > the
> > Wahl works great.
> >
> > Beverly
> >
> >
> It really is the exact same thing. It's just a case of
> labeling. They do the same thing with tape measures and
> lamps and all sorts of things. If you buy it in a
> hardware, drug, or other regular store, it costs a
> fraction of what the specialty sewing shop charges. They
> do usually put a pretty cover on it, though. What am I
> telling you this for, anyway! You're the one went to the
> source for the scissors and hemostats!

I am also very skeptical of all the labeling "bio-".
"earth-", "enviro-", "organic-" whatever, for the same
reason. It all appears to be Madison Avenue marketing hype
to me. And the very last reason I might buy something is if
it's "pink for women's breast health". What a crock!

Beverly

Beverly


Pogonip

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Jun 11, 2008, 2:25:03 AM6/11/08
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BEI Design wrote:
>
> I am also very skeptical of all the labeling "bio-".
> "earth-", "enviro-", "organic-" whatever, for the same
> reason. It all appears to be Madison Avenue marketing hype
> to me. And the very last reason I might buy something is if
> it's "pink for women's breast health". What a crock!
>
> Beverly
>
> Beverly
>
>

What??? Are you actually saying that I can't cure breast cancer by
buying pink appliances???? But but but the ads!!! They say I can!

BEI Design

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Jun 11, 2008, 2:30:58 AM6/11/08
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Pogonip wrote:
> BEI Design wrote:
> >
> > I am also very skeptical of all the labeling "bio-".
> > "earth-", "enviro-", "organic-" whatever, for the same
> > reason. It all appears to be Madison Avenue marketing
> > hype to me. And the very last reason I might buy
> > something
> > is if it's "pink for women's breast health". What a
> > crock!

>


> What??? Are you actually saying that I can't cure breast
> cancer by buying pink appliances???? But but but the
> ads!!! They say I can!

ROTFLOL!!! I bet you "run for
[health-issue-of-the-moment]", too. ;->

Beverly


Pogonip

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Jun 11, 2008, 5:02:45 AM6/11/08
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Oh, you bet! It's really amazing how you can "run for the cure" -
almost like magic! I just wish that my friends and acquaintances that
run would stop dropping from heart attacks.

BEI Design

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Jun 11, 2008, 4:36:09 PM6/11/08
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Pogonip wrote:
> BEI Design wrote:
> > Pogonip wrote:
> > > BEI Design wrote:
> > > > I am also very skeptical of all the labeling "bio-".
> > > > "earth-", "enviro-", "organic-" whatever, for the
> > > > same reason. It all appears to be Madison Avenue
> > > > marketing hype to me. And the very last reason I
> > > > might buy
> > > > something
> > > > is if it's "pink for women's breast health". What a
> > > > crock!
> >
> > > What??? Are you actually saying that I can't cure
> > > breast cancer by buying pink appliances???? But but
> > > but the
> > > ads!!! They say I can!
> >
> > ROTFLOL!!! I bet you "run for
> > [health-issue-of-the-moment]", too. ;->
> >
> > Beverly
> >
> >
>
> Oh, you bet! It's really amazing how you can "run for
> the cure" - almost like magic! I just wish that my
> friends and acquaintances that run would stop dropping
> from heart attacks.

Maybe they should "stroll for the cure" or "amble for the
cure" instead?

Beverly


Pogonip

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Jun 11, 2008, 6:31:41 PM6/11/08
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Too late now. :-(

Joy Beeson

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Jun 11, 2008, 9:44:35 PM6/11/08
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:16:39 -0700, "BEI Design"
<nobeide...@comcast.net.invalid> wrote:

> And the very last reason I might buy something is if
> it's "pink for women's breast health".

I've developed a strong aversion to anything pink -- and it used to be
such a pretty color!

(Not to mention that I have ten yards of "petal pink" cotton-linen
blend, and now won't even make underwear out of it.)

Joy Beeson
--
joy beeson at comcast dot net
http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ -- sewing
http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange
The above message is a Usenet post.
I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site.


Taria

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Jun 11, 2008, 10:03:49 PM6/11/08
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I was like that until I did a Komen walk with a friend
that has beat BC. To see all the women in pink shirts
that are winning the fight is awesome.

I noticed one of the fabric companies have a line of
aqua fabrics for the fight against ovarian cancer. The
idea of raising awareness is ok with me.


Taria

Pogonip

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Jun 12, 2008, 12:43:19 AM6/12/08
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Joy Beeson wrote:
>
> (Not to mention that I have ten yards of "petal pink" cotton-linen
> blend, and now won't even make underwear out of it.)
>

How about dying it?

BEI Design

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Jun 12, 2008, 2:49:43 AM6/12/08
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Pogonip wrote:
> Joy Beeson wrote:
> >
> > (Not to mention that I have ten yards of "petal pink"
> > cotton-linen blend, and now won't even make underwear
> > out of it.)
>
> How about dying it?

You beat me to it! I like Dharma dyes:
http://www.dharmatrading.com/

NAYY,

Beverly


BEI Design

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Jun 12, 2008, 2:57:24 AM6/12/08
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Taria wrote:
> I was like that until I did a Komen walk with a friend
> that has beat BC. To see all the women in pink shirts
> that are winning the fight is awesome.

What about the pink shirts made the event any more awesome
than if they wore something they already owned?

> I noticed one of the fabric companies have a line of
> aqua fabrics for the fight against ovarian cancer. The
> idea of raising awareness is ok with me.

Raising awareness can be accomplished without turning it
into a means for selling more stuff. The whole idea is
silly. And I am not unsympathetic to folks fighting cancer,
it has touched my family, too (my DH was diagnosed twice, my
DSIL twice).

But really, what color is being promoted to "fight" prostate
cancer... or lung cancer... or pancreatic cancer... or colon
cancer... or brain cancer... or bladder cancer... or....


Pogonip

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Jun 12, 2008, 3:37:12 AM6/12/08
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Instead of spending money on color-coded shirts and appliances, how
about putting the cash toward real research, not just propping up
established protocol beloved of the oncologists? So much is invested in
surgery, chemo and radiation training and equipment, and zilch in
immunology and cell therapy, which might well hold the eventual answer
to prevention and control of wild cells. It's really amazing how
hide-bound the entire field has become in such a short time. More money
won't solve the problems, but new money directed in new areas of
research hold possibility.

Taria

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Jun 12, 2008, 10:31:37 AM6/12/08
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The shirts given for the walk everyone wore were white background
with the survivors having pink. To see so many survivors was impressive
to me. Walking with a friend that was dealing with this in a recent
time frame and seeing her be see the hope was a good thing.
Just because something more and better can be done doesn't mean
doing something is bad.
Taria
Pogonip wrote:

>>
>> What about the pink shirts made the event any more awesome than if
>> they wore something they already owned?

>>

Olwyn Mary

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Jun 12, 2008, 10:49:33 AM6/12/08
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OTOH, it sounds like just the thing for summer pants in this hot sticky
climate. Wanna share? (chortle, chortle)

Olwyn Mary in New Orleans.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Emily Bengston

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Jun 12, 2008, 3:35:40 PM6/12/08
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On 6/12/08 1:57 AM, in article UfqdnQYJ7slIVc3V...@comcast.com,
"BEI Design" <nobeide...@comcast.net.invalid> wrote:

Or MALT Lymphoma, which my dear nephew has been diagnosed as having. It is
a cancer of the organs, though, it is treatable and often curable if caught
in time.
I ordered a pair of New Balance athletic shoes from Kohl's recently; lo and
behold, there is a small pink ribbon embroidered on the tongue of each shoe.
Luckily, it is small enough so I am the only one that sees it, otherwise,
they would have been sent back for a refund.
I donate annually to M D Anderson here in Houston for cancer research,
because I lost a dear friend of brain cancer, and he received good treatment
there but I do not support all this pink stuff. Another money-maker for
businesses in my book.
Emily.

Pogonip

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Jun 12, 2008, 3:45:55 PM6/12/08
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Taria wrote:
> The shirts given for the walk everyone wore were white background
> with the survivors having pink. To see so many survivors was impressive
> to me. Walking with a friend that was dealing with this in a recent
> time frame and seeing her be see the hope was a good thing.
> Just because something more and better can be done doesn't mean
> doing something is bad.
> Taria

That's true, and I am not at all opposed to celebrating victory. I
guess what bothers me are the companies that are boosting profits by
aiming products at that segment of the population. It's sort of like
politicians who say that if you don't support them, you're supporting
terrorism, if you follow. I would rather see more of a grass roots
movement than one organized by profit-making corporations.

BEI Design

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Jun 12, 2008, 4:13:46 PM6/12/08
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I didn't even attempt to list *all* the dread diseases, my
short list was just meant as an example. My twin sister was
diagnosed with aggressive melanoma, *almost* too late There
is no "color" for melanaoma as far as I know.

I hope your nephew recovers completely.

> I ordered a pair of New Balance athletic shoes from
> Kohl's recently; lo and behold, there is a small pink
> ribbon embroidered on the tongue of each shoe. Luckily,
> it is small enough so I am the only one that sees it,
> otherwise, they would have been sent back for a refund.
> I donate annually to M D Anderson here in Houston for
> cancer research, because I lost a dear friend of brain
> cancer, and he received good treatment there but I do not
> support all this pink stuff. Another money-maker for
> businesses in my book.

Exactly my point. I donate generously to local medical
research. I just do not buy into the
"Pink-Aqua-Red-whatever for the cure" baloney.

Beverly


BEI Design

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Jun 12, 2008, 4:14:58 PM6/12/08
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Pogonip wrote:

> That's true, and I am not at all opposed to celebrating
> victory. I guess what bothers me are the companies that
> are boosting profits by aiming products at that segment
> of the population. It's sort of like politicians who say
> that if you don't support them, you're supporting
> terrorism, if you follow. I would rather see more of a
> grass roots movement than one organized by profit-making
> corporations.

A-Fing-Men


Pogonip

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Jun 12, 2008, 4:37:49 PM6/12/08
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Thanks, cuz. ;-)

BEI Design

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Jun 12, 2008, 4:39:18 PM6/12/08
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Pogonip wrote:
> BEI Design wrote:
> > Pogonip wrote:
> >
> > > That's true, and I am not at all opposed to
> > > celebrating victory. I guess what bothers me are the
> > > companies that are boosting profits by aiming
> > > products at that segment of the population. It's
> > > sort of like politicians who say that if you don't
> > > support them, you're supporting terrorism, if you
> > > follow. I would rather see more of a grass roots
> > > movement than one organized by profit-making
> > > corporations.
> >
> > A-Fing-Men
> >
> >
>
> Thanks, cuz. ;-)

You're welcome, sis. ;->


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