spammers mining
Sharon Hays
mining the NG. Got email from "Alvin" at "Mr. Huddle Embroidery."
I got the email because I'm an "active contributor" to the online sewing
communities. So y'all will be getting them too I'm sure. This one was
addressed to me personally and had a link for me to "check out." Yeah, no.
I don't think so. I marked it as spam and dusted my hands right off. ;)
Sharon
--
Never try to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and just annoys the
pig.
Juno B
> Thought I would let y'all know there appears to be a new techno-cretin
> mining the NG. Got email from "Alvin" at "Mr. Huddle Embroidery."
>
> I got the email because I'm an "active contributor" to the online sewing
> communities. So y'all will be getting them too I'm sure. This one was
> addressed to me personally and had a link for me to "check out." Yeah, no.
> I don't think so. I marked it as spam and dusted my hands right off. ;)
>
> Sharon
Juno
BEI Design
> Thought I would let y'all know there appears to be a new
> techno-cretin mining the NG. Got email from "Alvin" at
> "Mr. Huddle Embroidery."
>
> I got the email because I'm an "active contributor" to
> the online sewing communities. So y'all will be getting
> them too I'm sure. This one was addressed to me
> personally and had a link for me to "check out." Yeah,
> no. I don't think so. I marked it as spam and dusted my
> hands right off. ;)
Newsgroup address harvesting is not a new phenomena. Just a
few days after my very first post to alt.sewing, with my
address provided in the clear, I started receiving spam.
Although your harvester seems to have been sharply focused,
most just blast to every address they find. You can munge
your e-mail address to make it harder for the harvesters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_munging
--
Beverly
http://ickes.us/default.aspx
Chris R
>> about address munging and gave this >> link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_munging
Thank you so much, I've never hear of 'munging', but will certainly look
into it.
BEI Design
You're welcome, although once you have posted to Usenet
using a real e-mail address it's too late, your address is
happily being shared on one of the "Millions of Addresses"
spammers' CDs. :-(
--
Beverly
http://ickes.us/default.aspx
Chris R
The Wanderer
> Beverly wrote:
>>> You're welcome, although once
>>> you have posted to Usenet using
>>> a real e-mail address it's too late,
>>> your address is happily being shared >>on one of the "Millions of
> Addresses"
>>> spammers' CDs. :-(
>
> Unfortunately, those of us on webTV cannot use 'Munging'. I've asked
> some experts, and they say that whatever we have as our address, is what
> will show up.
>
> But now I know how spammers have been able to use my own addy to send to
> me. They are things that I knew I hadn't sent to myself, so I just
> delete without reading.
Never really understood how web tv works, but if you take a look at my
emails, my addie is with gmx. They offer a completely free service and to
be honest, I only ever use the address when posting to usenet. They seem to
have pretty good spam filters, I get occasional emails from them telling me
I have 30-40 emails in my spam folder.
Err, on the other hand, I rarely check that account for genuine emails, as
99.999% of usenet correspondence should be through the appropriate NG.
FWIW reckon I get a total of 4-5 spam emails per week on my genuine
everyday email accounts.
But....
I've been thinking generally there's not much going on in this NG at the
moment, I have filters that mark-read anything that looks like spam, and
only see unread messages in my news client. Unfortunately I seem to have
missed a fw genuine messages recently. Off to look at the filters......
--
Richard
I may be omniscient, but don't expect me to know everything.
Emily Bengston
the only one. Other days, I get 25-30. Before AT&T stopped allowing its
customers to post on all newsgroups, I thought it was them; now I don't know
why this happens.
-- Emily
The Wanderer
ATM, the only filter I've left in place is to markread all mesages that
come from googlegroups postings
All right, I know there are one or two genuine posters who use GG, but most
of the spam comes from GG, and if I miss genuine posts, well sorry but it's
worth it not to see all the spam, and there's a mighty lot of it here!
--
Richard
Everyone brings happiness.
Some as they arrive, others as they leave.
Juno B
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:43:22 -0600, Emily Bengston wrote:
>
>> Some days, I get none or maybe 1 message on this NG, like today, yours is
>> the only one. Other days, I get 25-30. Before AT&T stopped allowing its
>> customers to post on all newsgroups, I thought it was them; now I don't know
>> why this happens.
>>
>> -- Emily
>
> ATM, the only filter I've left in place is to markread all mesages that
> come from googlegroups postings
>
> All right, I know there are one or two genuine posters who use GG, but most
> of the spam comes from GG, and if I miss genuine posts, well sorry but it's
> worth it not to see all the spam, and there's a mighty lot of it here!
>
>
>
posts. Some news readers are filtering out the junk *eternal-september
is filtering with great efficiency* and I also think a lot of people see
so much spam on some news readers and google groups that they are
unwilling to post. Since google will not do anything about it there's
not much that can be done other than check and post when you can.I check
several times a day. Some days there is little or nothing, other days
there's a lot.
A lot of people have also lost access to usenet because the provider
they have will no longer permit posting. Such as the case of you and
AT&T and haven't figured out how easy it is to get another newsreader.
Those who post regularly have remained faithful to the group. There are
still some posts from someone new. I think it's up to us to keep this
group alive by sewing and posting.
Juno
Emily Bengston
most of the spam. Maybe we need to post more often, but when I go for a
week with few or no messages from you, Beverly, Kate, etc. I feel like I've
been left "out in the cold."
Maybe with cold weather coming up soon, or here already, we'll have more
postings.
-- Emily
Juno B
much sewing. I hope to do more after thanksgiving. Right now I'm working
on getting my house in order for the holidays, bake and freezing
Christmas cookies and trying to get most of my shopping done before the
mad rush. I've been able to get a lot of shopping done already but still
have some to go. Most of the grandchildren are done. It's the adults I
have a harder time shopping for.
Juno
BEI Design
I sure hope so! I finally have most of my living space back
in order, so I will be hemming my living and dining room
draperies soon. I bought ready made, and they have always
been two inches too long. I am NOT a fan of the "puddled"
drapery look. This next week is devoted to holiday baking
then it's off to the sewing room. ;-)
--
Beverly
http://ickes.us/default.aspx
Kate XXXXXX
feeling like I've been mangled as a result of the swine flu jab last
week. I swear folk have recovered from the damned pig disease faster
than this! My left arm feels like someone hit it with a lead pipe! And
the wretched thing has set off a really fine fibro flare. Bums!
I'm making a Victorian gown with two bodices, a Victorian hat, a Regency
hat, and a gent's coat, fixing an error with a reticule, rehemming a
gown, and making another wrap!
Victorian toile fittings tomorrow, Regency stuff all needs to be
complete by Sunday.
And then there's a proposal to put together for a Civil Partnership next
October, which means research into a better class of Regency/early
Victorian type gents natty suiting tailoring and the fabrics to do it...
These will be hand built if I get the job! And it will invilve two
gentlemen's jackets with tails, two waistcoats, two pairs of trousers, a
couple of Ascots, and possibly wing collar silk shirts! And you all
thought wedding dresses and bridesmaids were the best fun! :D
There will be pix somewhere of some of this stuff.
--
Kate XXXXXX R.C.T.Q Madame Chef des Trolls
Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons
http://www.katedicey.co.uk
Click on Kate's Pages and explore!
BEI Design
> Not leaving you out in the cold, love - just insanely
> busy coupled with feeling like I've been mangled as a
> result of the swine flu jab last week. I swear folk have
> recovered from the damned pig
> disease faster than this! My left arm feels like someone
> hit it with a
> lead pipe! And the wretched thing has set off a really
> fine fibro flare. Bums!
Oh, wretched virus!!! Folks here seem to get the H1N1 and
recover quickly, or get very *very* sick. I hope you feel
much better very soon.
> I'm making a Victorian gown with two bodices, a Victorian
> hat, a Regency hat, and a gent's coat, fixing an error
> with a reticule, rehemming a gown, and making another
> wrap!
>
> Victorian toile fittings tomorrow, Regency stuff all
> needs to be complete by Sunday.
>
> And then there's a proposal to put together for a Civil
> Partnership next October, which means research into a
> better class of Regency/early Victorian type gents natty
> suiting tailoring and the fabrics to do it... These will
> be hand built if I get the job! And it will invilve two
> gentlemen's jackets with tails, two waistcoats, two pairs
> of trousers, a couple of Ascots, and possibly wing collar
> silk shirts! And you all thought wedding dresses and
> bridesmaids were the best fun! :D
> There will be pix somewhere of some of this stuff.
Very cool! Looking forward to the pictures as usual. The
Regency stuff sounds like a ton of fun.
--
Beverly
http://ickes.us/default.aspx
Juno B
I've become almost paranoid about that virus. I know people in my age
group are supposedly less susceptible but I don't want to chance it with
my cruddy lungs. I have gone through many bottles of hand sanitizer and
scrub down the gym equipment before and after using it. I bring my own
sanitizer with me. I've noticed that a lot of people there don't do
anything more than a quick wipe. That's not good.
I think I also have the worlds cleanest hands. I'm always washing them.
The other thing is don't touch my dish washing water without washing
your hands first.
Feel better soon.
Juno
Emily Bengston
Center/Children's Cancer Hospital. This year, we received a catalog with
different gift items, all of which were decorated from paintings done by the
children from all around the world.
Their web site is: www.childrensart.org.
Almost all our gifts are from this catalog, and of course, Musician's
Friends catalog for the three musicians in the family. I am also doing some
sewing, but not much for Christmas, more for the 2 DGDs whose birthdays are
in December.
-- Emily
Emily Bengston
any Christmas baking. Even the younger DD came with her children, they
actually did all the cooking, which they enjoyed. I miss them pulling
taffy, making fudge and all kinds of cookies; but now they are all grown-up
the boys are in college and the DD is married.
The other children either stay home during all holidays, ow spend them with
their in-laws.
-- Emily
Emily Bengston
saying, Kate? "The bark is worse than the bite." They're giving out the
H1M1 vaccine to children, young adults, and pregnant women; but I can not
find any place with the regular flu vaccine to get myself a shot, not even
my doctor has been able to get a supply.
Have fun when you feel better.
-- Emily
The Wanderer
> We always buy our Christmas cards
I have to ask, is there a reason why you don't quote previous messages?
Your message headers suggests you might be using web tv - is this one of
the downsides to web tv?
I came across some webbies some few years ago now in alt.strange.days,
which generally isn't anything like you might think, was just a group of
peops who liked to chat amongst themselves. It's not at all easy trying to
chat to web tv users through an ordinary news client, and in the end I gave
up. For a start they seem to be very strongly into html messages, with lots
of graphics. :-(
--
Richard
Meditate! It's better than sitting doing nothing.
Kate XXXXXX
year as a type 1 diabetic. James and I are usually OK with flu. Either
we get over it quickly or we fail to get it, which is great.
Sharon Hays
> Emily Bengston wrote:
>> Well, Kate, I have missed you, and hope you recover soon. What's the old
>> saying, Kate? "The bark is worse than the bite." They're giving out the
>> H1M1 vaccine to children, young adults, and pregnant women; but I can not
>> find any place with the regular flu vaccine to get myself a shot, not
>> even my doctor has been able to get a supply.
>>
>> Have fun when you feel better.
>>
>> -- Emily
>>
>>
> We are lucky that Alan automatically gets the ordinary flu jab every
> year as a type 1 diabetic. James and I are usually OK with flu. Either
> we get over it quickly or we fail to get it, which is great.
>
They did massive vaccination clinics at all the schools here. They did both
the H1N1 and seasonal flu shots. Only for the kids. They didn't even get
seasonal flu shots for the teachers. Seemed a little odd to me. (we want
the teachers to stay healthy right? How can the school stay open if all
the teachers come down with seasonal flu?) But whatever. Both my kids
elected to not get the shots. They are both old enough (13 and 17) to make
those kinds of decisions for themselves. Especially when DS pointed out
that it takes between 4 and 6 weeks (depending on which report/study you
hear that day) to develop full immunity after the shot. Seeing as how
there have already been cases of H1N1 in his school, he's already been
exposed. So how is full immunity going to help in 6 weeks? Thought that
was a pretty good point. Plus, the last time I got a flu shot, it made me
a little sick.
And like you said, Kate. In years past if the kids have come down with flu,
they bounce right back, or they just don't catch it. So I think we'll be
alright.
Although, y'know, after the skunk incident, none of us would mind a stuffy
nose for a while. LOL
Juno B
>> we get over it quickly or we fail to get it, which is great.
>>
>
>
> They did massive vaccination clinics at all the schools here. They did both
> the H1N1 and seasonal flu shots. Only for the kids. They didn't even get
> seasonal flu shots for the teachers. Seemed a little odd to me. (we want
> the teachers to stay healthy right? How can the school stay open if all
> the teachers come down with seasonal flu?) But whatever. Both my kids
> elected to not get the shots. They are both old enough (13 and 17) to make
> those kinds of decisions for themselves. Especially when DS pointed out
> that it takes between 4 and 6 weeks (depending on which report/study you
> hear that day) to develop full immunity after the shot. Seeing as how
> there have already been cases of H1N1 in his school, he's already been
> exposed. So how is full immunity going to help in 6 weeks? Thought that
> was a pretty good point. Plus, the last time I got a flu shot, it made me
> a little sick.
>
> And like you said, Kate. In years past if the kids have come down with flu,
> they bounce right back, or they just don't catch it. So I think we'll be
> alright.
>
> Although, y'know, after the skunk incident, none of us would mind a stuffy
> nose for a while. LOL
>
> Sharon
DH and I were very lucky to get seasonal shots the end of September.
They were available at a local pharmacy and we went in for them. There
were only 4 people getting them at the time. We were surprised by that.
A few days later no one had any vaccine left for seasonal flu. I always
get the shots as soon as they're available because of my asthma.
Juno
Emily Bengston
touch with members of the family who don't live near enough to call often
because of long-distance charges. I know she reads the messages on her TV
screen, not on a computer. In fact, after her husband's death, she got rid
of the computer, I believe.
-- Emily
Alan Dicey
>
>
> They did massive vaccination clinics at all the schools here. They did both
> the H1N1 and seasonal flu shots. Only for the kids. They didn't even get
> seasonal flu shots for the teachers. Seemed a little odd to me. (we want
> the teachers to stay healthy right? How can the school stay open if all
> the teachers come down with seasonal flu?) But whatever.
The aim of vaccination is both prevention and control of the spread of
the disease. The children spread the virus much more widely. Although
I'd agree that ignoring the teachers is short-sighted.
> Both my kids
> elected to not get the shots. They are both old enough (13 and 17) to make
> those kinds of decisions for themselves. Especially when DS pointed out
> that it takes between 4 and 6 weeks (depending on which report/study you
> hear that day) to develop full immunity after the shot. Seeing as how
> there have already been cases of H1N1 in his school, he's already been
> exposed.
Not so, all you can say is that he has a higher chance of having been in
contact. But he hasn't caught it yet, so he hasn't been infected by the
virus, and has no defense against it.
Vaccination will prevent infection in the event that you are in contact
with the virus. This is better for you, and helps to control the spread
of the infection. So choosing to ignore the benefits of vaccination is
to an extent antisocial, as you put others at risk as well as yourself.
> So how is full immunity going to help in 6 weeks? Thought that
> was a pretty good point. Plus, the last time I got a flu shot, it made me
> a little sick.
Immunity helps the community, as I've already said. And even a slight
improvement in your defenses is worth having. The discomfort occasioned
by the vaccine is minor and temporary, and is not an infectious disease.
> And like you said, Kate. In years past if the kids have come down with flu,
> they bounce right back, or they just don't catch it. So I think we'll be
> alright.
There is a reason for the concern over "Swine" flu. It is quite
infectious, and severe enough to kill even healthy adults. This is not
the same as run-of-the-mill seasonal flu.
The Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 killed more people than World War I.
That was an H1N1 variant too, but much more virulent.
> Although, y'know, after the skunk incident, none of us would mind a stuffy
> nose for a while.
If that was all it was . . . . . . . . .
BEI Design
Thanks, Alan, well said! I wasn't going to mention the
actual deaths in otherwise healthy young folks around here
(because Kate has enough on her plate right now), but I do
think the H1N1 is a serious threat. So far, there is not
enough vaccine for everyone, and I'm not in one of the high
risk groups so no shot for me so far, but if it becomes
available I WILL get vaccinated. I was able to get seasonal
flu vaccine again this year as I always do.
It's not just about "me", it's also about protecting the
community.
Beverly
Sharon Hays
> Sharon Hays wrote:
>>
>>
>> They did massive vaccination clinics at all the schools here. They did
>> both
>> the H1N1 and seasonal flu shots. Only for the kids. They didn't even get
>> seasonal flu shots for the teachers. Seemed a little odd to me. (we want
>> the teachers to stay healthy right? How can the school stay open if all
>> the teachers come down with seasonal flu?) But whatever.
>
> The aim of vaccination is both prevention and control of the spread of
> the disease. The children spread the virus much more widely. Although
> I'd agree that ignoring the teachers is short-sighted.
>
>> Both my kids
>> elected to not get the shots. They are both old enough (13 and 17) to
>> make
>> those kinds of decisions for themselves. Especially when DS pointed out
>> that it takes between 4 and 6 weeks (depending on which report/study you
>> hear that day) to develop full immunity after the shot. Seeing as how
>> there have already been cases of H1N1 in his school, he's already been
>> exposed.
>
> Not so, all you can say is that he has a higher chance of having been in
> contact. But he hasn't caught it yet, so he hasn't been infected by the
> virus, and has no defense against it.
>
Well, actually I can say he has been exposed. Since one of his best pals,
with whom he eats lunch and shares 3 classes every day, has tested positive
for H1N1 and was sick for 2 days before his mom kept him home, it's pretty
safe to assume that my son has been exposed. He did not get sick, which is
a good thing but exposed, yeah. If he was going to catch it, I'm pretty
sure having his friend cough all over him and his food for 2 days would
have done it.
> Vaccination will prevent infection in the event that you are in contact
> with the virus. This is better for you, and helps to control the spread
> of the infection. So choosing to ignore the benefits of vaccination is
> to an extent antisocial, as you put others at risk as well as yourself.
Had he not already been in close contact with others who have tested
positive for H1N1, then there would be time for a vaccine to be effective.
Since there were already 20 cases in his school before the vaccination
clinic, it's like trying to lock the barn door after the horse ran off. At
that point, it's much more important to teach the kids to wash their hands,
cover their faces if they cough or sneeze, use hand sanitizer and most
importantly stay home if they get sick and not come back to school until
they are completely well again. Those things will protect all of the
children. Yes, vaccination is a great thing. Yes, I think it was a good
thing the school did. But at the same time, it was totally voluntary and
my kids are both old enough to make those choices for themselves.
That doesn't make them or me anti-social. I keep my kids home when they are
sick. Always have. I taught them to wash their hands. I taught them not
to cough on other people. I taught them those things long before this
panic over this latest variant of influenza erupted.
> There is a reason for the concern over "Swine" flu. It is quite
> infectious, and severe enough to kill even healthy adults. This is not
> the same as run-of-the-mill seasonal flu.
>
> The Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 killed more people than World War I.
> That was an H1N1 variant too, but much more virulent.
There is reason to be concerned. There is also a lot of reason to be
concerned about staph in schools. There is also reason to be concerned
about meningitis in the schools. There is also a lot of reason to be
concerned about parents who send kids to school when they are sick (Or
adults who go out in public when they are sick.) There isn't reason to
panic and I think that's the biggest problem with this strain of the flu.
Yes, it's bad. Yes, people have died. Some of them even people who had no
pre-existing health issues.
But you know what? The seasonal flu does the same thing every year. Does
the vaccine for that work every year? No. More often than not, the health
authorities make an educated guess about which strain will be the most
prevalent that year and they are wrong. It's like a giant game of dice.
Sometimes they guess right, sometimes they don't. A vaccine can be helpful
yes, but it is not the total, only, carved in stone answer to the flu.
My point is, if you want a flu vaccine, and you are in one of the high risk
categories, go get one and God bless you. If you don't want a flu vaccine,
that's fine too. If you're allergic to eggs, or have other health issues
that make it a bad choice for you, don't get one. BUT what EVERYONE
regardless of anything else needs to do is use some common sense about when
to stay home, how to take care of yourself and those around you.