Hi guys.  I'm wondering if you can help me out on this one.  I'm 22 a
recovering afc, i attend school and work part time in retail.  There's this
girl at my work who just broke up with her boyfriend (HB 8).  She's 17,
italian, and she's not one of the most intelligent girls i've known.  She's
actually quite superficial.  She's the type that goes to clubs and will try
to get guys to do deeds for her.  Since reading this newsgroup i've learned
to not supplicate and pour on the kino, which is what i have done with this
girl.  There's many things she's wanted me to do for her, but i always say
no, and over time she's come to respect me.  She kino's back to me and she
is attracted to me.  So anyways, yesterday she was talking about how it
feels so good to be single and how she wants to remain single for the
summer, and how she's having so much fun, and how she wants to mack it up
with guys.  Than out of the blue she says to me "I'd fuck you if you were
taller."  Kind of a compliment but also an insult.  I'm 5'6 which isn't that
short.  Weird comment for her to say considering that she's only about 5'1,
although she does where platform shoes which brings her up to about 5'4.
I'm a good looking guy (7-7.5) and obviously she's attracted to me but
height is an issue.  What can i go to get her to see by this and get the
lay?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Here's your first piece of advice:

http://www.fastseduction.com/asf-faq.shtml#q002

Well, which is it, intelligent or superficial?

So far, she sounds like a regular, plain, run-of-the-mill HB.

Here's another place for you to DYOH:

http://www.fastseduction.com/asf-faq.shtml#q027

I hope you're doing anti-supplication, as opposed to just refusing
to do things for her. There's a difference. Read more about it here:

http://www.fastseduction.com/asf-faq.shtml#q046

She's challenging you. Elicit her ENDS values about tall guys,
and mirror them back to her. Her telling you that she likes tall
guys is a MEANS value. RTFM. There's a great section on Formhandle's
site about exactly this. Read it here: (paste all of the URL)

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/03_Approaching/06_Eliciting
_Values/eliciting.shtml

No, it ISN'T an issue. It's a SHIT TEST. Call her on it.
(Again, paste all parts of the URL into a browser.)

http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp
=1&mn=93804184849337

Start here:
http://www.fastseduction.com/asf-faq.shtml

Then go here:
http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/

HTH

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Aside from the points of one-itis that others have already pointed out, it
should actually be quite simple...  Why does she like tall guys?  ELICIT her
feelings... what is it that she feels about tall guys that makes her
attracted to them...  if she's like most chicks, tall guys give her a sense
of protection and security, which in a fucked up, chick logic way makes it
OK to fuck them...  if that is the case, you simply have to make her
associate those feelings of protection and security WITH YOU, through nlp or
other techniques... it not as hard as you might think...  ("isn't it amazing
how you can just feel so safe and secure with someone, and just be able to
open youself completely to them, without fear, NOW WITH ME, I feel this is
an incredible thing.. etc.. etc.. you get the idea)  what is critical to
this is you have to create those protected feelings in her, and to do so you
must be HIGH STATUS... tall guys generate these feelings simply by virtue of
their height, you have to do it by virtue of your STATUS... ie you have to
have the kind of attitude that when you walk into a room you OWN that
room... you are the COMPLETE MASTER of all your surroundings...  this kind
of status will EVOKE the same kind of "protected" feelings in a chick... in
fact, it will even make you seem taller (I shit you not) People usually
assume Im signifigantly taller than I really am (3-4 inches) simply b/c I
carry myself with an ASSERTIVE AIR.  Even people who have known me for some
time are usually surprised when I tell them my actual height, b/c they
thought I was taller...  Regardless it seems like she's basically giving you
the green light, as long as you can evoke those feelings in her... in a
nutshell, she wasn't saying "I'd fuck you if you were taller", she's REALLY
saying "I'd fuck you if you evoked the same kinds of feelings in me that
tall guys do..."  you do that, you're golden...

"SlickEddieZ" <edwa...@dont.you.dare.spam.me.wharton.upenn.edu> wrote in
message news:9h57et$k02$1@netnews.upenn.edu...

Just as a side point... My roommate has a "strict" height restriction for
guys she dates- no one under 5'10".   Guess how tall her last BF was?  5'6".
take it as you will...

"That's funny, I was just thinking that I'd fuck you if you weren't so
superficial..."

No it's not.

My question is, how did you respond to her when she said that?  The
answer to your own question hinges on that.  Do you realize that she may
very well WANT to fuck you but the way she worded it was a shit test, to
observe your response?

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Formhandle <formhan...@aol.com> wrote in <3B362845.E40C1...@aol.com>:

Glad you said that, Formhandle. I was thinking the same. "Iiii ...'d fuck
you IF ... umm ... you weren't wearing blue shoes. Iiii ...'d fuck you IF
... umm ... you had a moustache. Iiii ...'d fuck you IF ... umm ..." If you
start wearing orange shoes and growing a moustache, you've been caught as a
supplicator. "I'd fuck you if" is about as obvious as it gets.

My ideal response, if I can think fast enough: "What makes you think I
would LET you fuck me?" And then, if she's stunned into silence, "I mean,
with stupid comments like that, about height and shit, ... ." From there,
it depends on context and I can't really figure what would happen next just
from a newsgroup posting.

This response is congruent with the whole "I'm the prize, you must chase
me" thing, which chicks (or at least, THIS particular chick) seem to
understand internally and are born with knowledge of, but which guys seem
to need years of newsgroup training to FINALLY BEAT INTO OUR THICK HEADS.
Heh. Stop thinking in terms of whether or not the chick will "let" you fuck
her; and start thinking in terms of displaying such value, and such
capacity for independence, that SHE becomes desperate and needy to CHASE
you and will beg and plead that you fuck her.

Been there, done that.

They will give you all sorts of shit. She is not concerned with your
height
per se, she is *missing* something else.

You will need to demonstrate more personality, or different angles of
it.
She is not convinced yet. Give her one more reason to fuck you, and
she will
do it.

Height/Wight/race/income etc etc, are not high on women's list, trust
me.
unless she is some light-head bitch, which you should avoid.
They want an *strong* character, demonstrate principles and values,
and stick
to them. Even "no, i don't drink after 8pm" works like magic.

As always, persuade persuade persuade, slow down slow down slow down.
don't make
her a one-itis, yet don't give up. hit on other girls in her
pressence. better
yet, hit on hot chicks, and let her *see* their positive responses.
You don't
have to hit on them for real, just for the show, make them laugh and
get a hug.

If she is light headed, then put her in a sitaution were she cann't
get laid,
and get her as horny as they get.
I went over to this girl's place when she was babysitting. she never
thought of
me sexually, i was LJBFed. i went to her place, grabbed the phone, and
spoke to
my GF very sexually. everyonce in a while, i would hang up the phone,
get something to eat, and go heavy kino on her.
Then back to the phone...
By 11pm, i told her i was going to my GF to get laid, and gave her a
hug good bye.
This hug lasted till 2AM ;-)

If you are well built. take off your shirt when you are both alone,
and start
messaging your arms, chest, etc. if she LJBFed you once, she will
notice your
*skin* and start thinking...

I chick once told me i was too short -i am 5.7- i was embarassed by
her rudeness
and mummbled some self defence crap. (why are women so rude?)
A week alter she saw me sucking on an *Norwegian* blonde babe, at the
movie theatre.
She couldn't beleive her eyes. she made a 180 degree turn from where
she was
standing.
Next day, she kept telling me i am disgusting i was doing *that* in
public,
and kept calling the girl a hoe, and how she wont let *me* do that in
public ;-)

Stop believing the idiots here who tell you height does not matter, for
starters.

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"The Seduction Library" <theweakestlin...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I must agree with TSL on this.  I am 5'7" myself, and 25 years old so I have
seen quite a bit.  To a girl, being short is like what being fat/overweight
is to most guys.  It would take as much effort for a fat out of shape girl
to convince you to hook up with her as a short guy to convince a girl to
hook up with him.  It's bitter reality like it or not.

My two cents