Question about strippers
Andybaby
I picked up a girl in Hungry Jacks, Melbourne.
(Burgerking(?) in the USA).
Hot!
When I asked that she did she said she was a "dancer in a nightclub".
me "what, you mean like those lap dancing places?" <making it clear i
dont go to those places>
her : "yea"
I wasnt sure whether to act like:
a> "hey thats great" <positive>
b> "Oh yea..." <neutral; but show her non verbally that i was not
impressed, ie challenge her to prove that shes worthy in spite of
being a stripper>
c> "really? and what do you like to do when you're not dancing"
<change the topic>
i went with:
d> " so you're a *performer*" (i may have used the word 'artist'),
said friendly like, smiling but with a hint that i may be making fun
of her /teasing( this is an attitude i do a lot lately with women,
dont know if its great or not)
I know you're not supposed to do emotional connections with strippers;
does it make a difference if you meet her "off the job"? Bear in mind
that i *am* looking for a connection with a girl, not just a fuck.
Anyway, I rang 2 days later saying "hey lets get together today" she
was going to work, and to call her during the week.
me "Well, how bout monday afternoon, we can go for a walk or
something" (its a line im using lately, let me know if you think it
sux or otherwise).
her "dunno, why dont you call me during the week and well see".
I took this as a NO, and havent called her since. Its been over a
month now so possibly she's forgotten all about me, but I keep
thinking that though it didn't look great, she didnt actually REJECT
me, and she doesn't smoke and has great posture, something im finding
is FUKN rare today, and i really like.
One line i thought of is:
"i havent called you because i was in the process of breaking up with
my girlfriend, and now that its over i feel its ok to see you"
Pretty good huh.
bad news: she wouldnt commit to a date when i called.
good news: well, she *did* give me her correct number.
Anyway, your comments/suggestions welcome
Andy
Big Boy
>me "what, you mean like those lap dancing places?" <making it clear i
>dont go to those places>
It's good to establish that you're not a CUSTOMER but don't say shit like
this... don't worry about establishing this frame when you haven't even MET her
in the club.
>b> "Oh yea..." <neutral; but show her non verbally that i was not
>impressed, ie challenge her to prove that shes worthy in spite of
>being a stripper>
Uh.. who are YOU to judge what she does for a living? What do YOU do? I have
much more respect for STRIPPERS than LAWYERS (thieves with pens) or DOCTORS
(racketeers who prescribe insane, overpriced solutions to simple problems)
Jeez... do you want to FUCK or be an ETHICS COP?
>I know you're not supposed to do emotional connections with strippers;
>does it make a difference if you meet her "off the job"?
Yes, it's better for you. No connection patterns... go for conveying the COOL
DUDE image and go for body sensation-type stuff. Some EMOTION stuff is good
but not like you would a regular girl... RAPPORT GAMES are very good... read
CRAIG's post on "stripper seduction" in the archives... one of the best ASF
posts ever IMO.
>Bear in mind
>that i *am* looking for a connection with a girl, not just a fuck.
Ever think that you will have a strong connection AFTER you fuck?
>Anyway, I rang 2 days later saying "hey lets get together today" she
>was going to work, and to call her during the week.
>me "Well, how bout monday afternoon, we can go for a walk or
>something" (its a line im using lately, let me know if you think it
>sux or otherwise).
BOOM. GONE. At least it looks that way. Trust me man I've blown it with
strippers but you REALLY fucked this one up.
I'm not even going to bother with the rest,
Read the archives of Craig and Mystery for the RULES ON STRIPPERS. Next time
you have an op. like this you don't want to screw it up.
>One line i thought of is:
>"i havent called you because i was in the process of breaking up with
>my girlfriend, and now that its over i feel its ok to see you"
>Pretty good huh.
>
Oh man... you're KILLING ME. This is over. Mentally rehearse for the NEXT OP
with a stripper.
There is such a thing as a STUPID QUESTION...
when it's been answered BEFORE...
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DSWGOS
out of the socket before you even got started...!
You know...pimps don't smile so why do you think you have to smile...?
You say you're "looking for a connection with a girl, not just a fuck"...you've
got to be kidding...right...?
When she told you to call her back during the week because you're too stupid to
figure out that when she's working making her money...you're not going to be
able to go out with her...she tells you to call her back during the week...what
do you do...?...you start asking her what day would be okay for you to
call...you just told her you're available whenever she feels like talking to
you which means...you're too easy and you're a CHUMP...!
You don't know how to play strippers much less square women and if you think
you do then you're in a delusional state of mind...quit your dreaming and
practice on something else besides women...like little girls...learn to be
friends with them first and maybe you can work your way up to the big ones in
this lifetime...!
Rio
with a 10 unless she negs you. All this playful stuff will probably bounce
off her and make you look like a dweeb who has to impress. In most cases for
me, flirting gets me nowhere. Chicks want to be treated as human beings, not
objects for flirting necessarily.
A sincere compliment on the other hand..... gets me very intimite. The only
compliment that I ever gave a 10 was "You seem to be very intelligent....".
I said it very flatly and straight faced and she responded positively to
it... and I fucked her.
I would be playing the strong-silent type with a chick like this. Strippers
aren't stupid (well, perhaps they believe in the paranormal too much), but
if you find out that they are intelligent (for example, you learn that they
read in their spare time) they will be quite open to patterning and shit of
that ilk.
Read up on mystery's ESP routine. Run a connection pattern, and then
casually mention that you're going to xxxx and if she'd like to come along.
Do it with a straight face.... and then get her number and piss off.
I would not be surprised if a connection patterned worked on a stripper - as
long as it's not the "bf/gf" relationship bullshit. I guess they have to
deal with a lot of jeering guys who want to skip the connection out.... so
if you get that conenction, you are in I imagine.
Andybaby <priva...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Andybaby
Man, I'm getting some (IMHO) rude and arrogant responses to my post;
I'm not sure if some of u guys are really trying to help, but it looks
to me like you're just trying make yourselves look good by attempting
trying to portray me as an 'AFC, and yourselves as 'gurus', lots of:
"hey loser, you arent in our league, stick with the ugly girls and
leave the hot strippers to us alt.seduction.fast gurus!"
wtf is up with this mentality? Are you guys like insecure 16 years
olds or something?
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dsw...@cs.com (DSWGOS) wrote in message news:<20010820025059...@mb-mn.news.cs.com>...
> Stay away from strippers...you're not ready for them...you blew your self right
> out of the socket before you even got started...!
>
In what way, what specifically should I have said/done, and when? I
didnt even say in my post what my approach was, so how the fuk can you
judge? Also, I didn't know she was a stripper till we got talking (did
you read my post or what?)
> You know...pimps don't smile so why do you think you have to smile...?
I am not a pimp.....(?) And why do you believe that smiling = AFC?
>
> You say you're "looking for a connection with a girl, not just a fuck"...you've
> got to be kidding...right...?
>
No, I'm not actually. Like Ross, I've done my fucking, and am now
looking for something more long term and worthy of my emotional
involvement. Ross reckons 95% of strippers have severe emotional
problems, and I was hoping that this one, may be one of the 5%. The
*only* reason I am interested in her is that she doesn't smoke, and
has good posture, which as I said in my original post I demand in any
serious GF, and I'm finding really rare these days.
> When she told you to call her back during the week because you're too stupid to
> figure out that when she's working making her money...you're not going to be
> able to go out with her...she tells you to call her back during the week...what
> do you do...?...you start asking her what day would be okay for you to
> call...you just told her you're available whenever she feels like talking to
> you which means...you're too easy and you're a CHUMP...!
Calling me 'stupid' and a CHUMP is very rude and presumptuous. You
didn't pay attention to the information in the post, and instead,
filled in the gaps with your imagination, and then projected this
distorted reality in an arrogant insult to me personally! (unless you
use the word 'stupid' in a friendly way...?)
FYI:
a> She only works 3 days a week, and goes to school the rest, ie
doesn't "live" in the strip club!
b> I didn't ask her what day would be ok to call(FFS!), I made a
specific offer on a paticular day (did you read my post of just skim
over it?)
c> When she said to call her during the week, I said "Ok, I might do
that", and NEVER CALLED HER.
I know, I know, i should have said:
"you know, you sound really busy; why don't we give it a miss, and I
might catch up with you another time"... man!
>
> You don't know how to play strippers much less square women and if you think
> you do then you're in a delusional state of mind...quit your dreaming and
> practice on something else besides women...like little girls...learn to be
> friends with them first and maybe you can work your way up to the big ones in
> this lifetime...!
>
Excuse me for taking up so much of your time O guru!! I should come
back when I get to be a big legend like you huh?
You know nothing about me dude. First comes the information gathering,
then the analysis, and THEN the conclusion ok?
I normally wouldnt dignify this post with a response, but I am stunned
at how presumptuous and rude people can be! I hope this post is not
reflective of the tone of the communication on alt.seduction.fast
these days..
Andy
Andybaby
> >she was a "dancer in a nightclub".
> >me "what, you mean like those lap dancing places?" <making it clear i
> >dont go to those places>
>
> It's good to establish that you're not a CUSTOMER but don't say shit like
> this... don't worry about establishing this frame when you haven't even MET her
> in the club.
Fair enough.
>
> >b> "Oh yea..." <neutral; but show her non verbally that i was not
> >impressed, ie challenge her to prove that shes worthy in spite of
> >being a stripper>
>
> Uh.. who are YOU to judge what she does for a living? What do YOU do? I have
> much more respect for STRIPPERS than LAWYERS (thieves with pens) or DOCTORS
> (racketeers who prescribe insane, overpriced solutions to simple problems)
> Jeez... do you want to FUCK or be an ETHICS COP?
You're missing the point dude; this is one of the options I
considered, NOT what i chose to do. The only reason its there, is that
I wanted to stand out from the 99% of guys who when she says she's a
stripper, go all horny, and "oh wow, really, oh man, please like me,
please..." In other words: BE DIFFERENT
AND, i said 'not impressed', not actually *disapproving*, just
'skeptical', and 'been there done that', and "don't think thats gonna
impress me, what else have you got going for you?" type of attitude.
>
> >I know you're not supposed to do emotional connections with strippers;
> >does it make a difference if you meet her "off the job"?
>
> Yes, it's better for you. No connection patterns... go for conveying the COOL
> DUDE image and go for body sensation-type stuff. Some EMOTION stuff is good
> but not like you would a regular girl... RAPPORT GAMES are very good... read
> CRAIG's post on "stripper seduction" in the archives... one of the best ASF
> posts ever IMO.
>
I agree, just wasn't sure whether to use stripper taktics on what I am
hoping is the 5% non 'butterfly brain' stripper. Whether to modify my
approach accordingly as per a regular girl, or stick to stripper
tactics..
> >Bear in mind
> >that i *am* looking for a connection with a girl, not just a fuck.
>
> Ever think that you will have a strong connection AFTER you fuck?
>
> >Anyway, I rang 2 days later saying "hey lets get together today" she
> >was going to work, and to call her during the week.
> >me "Well, how bout monday afternoon, we can go for a walk or
> >something" (its a line im using lately, let me know if you think it
> >sux or otherwise).
>
> BOOM. GONE. At least it looks that way. Trust me man I've blown it with
> strippers but you REALLY fucked this one up.
>
What *should* I have said?
What attitude *should* i have projected IYHO?
> I'm not even going to bother with the rest,
> Read the archives of Craig and Mystery for the RULES ON STRIPPERS. Next time
> you have an op. like this you don't want to screw it up.
>
I agree, but bear in mind, I'm gearing my approach towards women I
respect and want to be with, I'm over the "man i want to fuck her sooo
bad, even if she's a total loser" stage. I'm not saying strippers are
bad people, just that they aren't the most stable women to get
emotionally involved with, *usually*.
> >One line i thought of is:
> >"i havent called you because i was in the process of breaking up with
> >my girlfriend, and now that its over i feel its ok to see you"
> >Pretty good huh.
> >
>
> Oh man... you're KILLING ME. This is over. Mentally rehearse for the NEXT OP
> with a stripper.
The above line I've used with great results. The actual wording I
wrote is pretty fuked, but you get the idea. Its a way to call a girl
you haven't called for months, and make it seem that you're a really
great guy, who had a GREAT reason to not call her; NOTE : if you've
got a better line, i'll drop this one immediately!
Andy
user name
wrote:
>
>Excuse me for taking up so much of your time O guru!! I should come
>back when I get to be a big legend like you huh?
>
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Wintermute
priva...@hotmail.com says...
> Hi, Im the original poster.
>
> Man, I'm getting some (IMHO) rude and arrogant responses to my post;
> I'm not sure if some of u guys are really trying to help, but it looks
> to me like you're just trying make yourselves look good by attempting
> trying to portray me as an 'AFC, and yourselves as 'gurus', lots of:
>
> "hey loser, you arent in our league, stick with the ugly girls and
> leave the hot strippers to us alt.seduction.fast gurus!"
>
> wtf is up with this mentality? Are you guys like insecure 16 years
> olds or something?
Hey man, sorry to hear about this people berating you. This generally
happens with a person's first post. The jerks of this NG come in and
kick you around a little bit, who knows why, maybe to build some
callouses on you. Probably also a childish attempt to boost their own
egos. It's annoying, I'll never forget my first field report, some jerk
named "x nice guy x" or something flamed me calling me a moron and stuff,
and thing was, I got a tongue down and he flamed me for not fucking the
girl. Yes, it's stupid I agree.
If you look at the people who responded to your question, all the flame-
type post came from relative nobodys (not that I am by any means an
expert) and the one CONSTRUCTIVE post so far came from Rio, a respected
PUA who gave you good advice.
Don't sweat it. One of the things I've learned from ASF is you really
can't let what other people (esp. ppl you don't know) think about you
bother you. That includes people on this NG, especially the trolls.
Just chill, ignore the flames and read the good stuff. Life is too short
to stress over bullshit.
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Big Boy
>to your question, all the flame-
>type post came from relative nobodys
Thanks
>and the one CONSTRUCTIVE post so far came from Rio,
Hmm.. sorry that referring him to posts by guys that have nailed over a dozen
strippers EASILY, one of whom is currently in an LTR with a stripper, isn't
CONSTRUCTIVE enough for you.
There is such a thing as a STUPID QUESTION...
when it's been answered BEFORE...
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http://www.pickupguide.com
http://www.doubleyourdating.com
-=\ BigBoY /=-
Big Boy
>What attitude *should* i have projected IYHO?
READ the archives of MYSTERY and CRAIG.
Andybaby
> As long as the chick isn't a bitch, you don't need to do this flirting shit
> with a 10 unless she negs you. All this playful stuff will probably bounce
> off her and make you look like a dweeb who has to impress. In most cases for
> me, flirting gets me nowhere. Chicks want to be treated as human beings, not
> objects for flirting necessarily.
Interesting point, now that i think about it, the flirting i do *is*
an automated response, to get her attention and stand out, keeping it
playful and fun, as opposed to horny and needy (especially with the
hot ones). Now u got me thinking about experimenting with no flirting
at all; now that i think about it, times girls made the move on *me*,
I *wasn't* flirting! I'm gonna have to think about this one.
>
> A sincere compliment on the other hand..... gets me very intimite. The only
> compliment that I ever gave a 10 was "You seem to be very intelligent....".
> I said it very flatly and straight faced and she responded positively to
> it... and I fucked her.
>
Mmmm. On the one hand more downbeat, but then you appear more a
serious type, less 'happy go lucky' persona; (am i interpreting this
correctly?)
> I would be playing the strong-silent type with a chick like this. Strippers
> aren't stupid (well, perhaps they believe in the paranormal too much), but
> if you find out that they are intelligent (for example, you learn that they
> read in their spare time) they will be quite open to patterning and shit of
> that ilk.
No flirting, keep serious, straightfaced, and patterns. Mmmmm
>
> Read up on mystery's ESP routine. Run a connection pattern, and then
> casually mention that you're going to xxxx and if she'd like to come along.
> Do it with a straight face.... and then get her number and piss off.
>
man, straight face, im going on about this but its something I've
never thought about! Definitely gonna do it, and see whether results
are different.
> I would not be surprised if a connection patterned worked on a stripper - as
> long as it's not the "bf/gf" relationship bullshit. I guess they have to
> deal with a lot of jeering guys who want to skip the connection out.... so
> if you get that conenction, you are in I imagine.
If you *are* looking for a girlfriend though, how do you figure out if
shes a 'GF-worthy' stripper, or just a birdbrain? I guess I'm
concerned that the 5% of strippers who are worth getting involved with
will *not* respond to the patterns which work on the 95%
'live-for-the-moment types. On one hand we want to identify and
eliminate the losers, but if we have to fuck them in the mean time,
we'll just have to put up with the inconvenience :)
Rio
> never thought about! Definitely gonna do it, and see whether results
> are different.
The same thing goes for tonality. You can't pattern properly if you're
speaking like PeeWee Herman.
I only really pull out the seriousness if I am one on one, or have no
competition. If there is a group, I will pull out any crazy shit to control
the group first, isolate the target, then shift into second gear, go serious
and PU the chick properly.
> > I would not be surprised if a connection patterned worked on a
stripper - as
> > long as it's not the "bf/gf" relationship bullshit. I guess they have to
> > deal with a lot of jeering guys who want to skip the connection out....
so
> > if you get that conenction, you are in I imagine.
>
> If you *are* looking for a girlfriend though, how do you figure out if
> shes a 'GF-worthy' stripper, or just a birdbrain?
Elicit their values! Asking is the only way.
Also, read up on Mystery's stripper rules.
Also, here is some info that I have learnt from 10s and strippers....
- They know the rules of "the game" like the back of their hand. So....
- ...Any AFC shit from you and you are OUT.
- Any jealousy from you are you are dead in the water.
- Strippers and other 10s (as with any other alpha-female) like to PU guys
(or be PUed by them for sex). End of story. The reason they do it is to
build up a list of guys they can count on to look after her (like a queen
bee) - and they can do this because they are 10s and they CAN. They may be
slutty in order to build up a PUA male support network by sleeping around,
or they may be bitchy and do it without doling out sex, and rack up some
AFCs instead. Accept whatever way she manages her relationships with
respect.
- You are just going to be one of her flock. At the same time as you are
giving her this much freedom, she expects you to keep yours and keep PUing
other chicks. If she hears any "I want to marry you" or "I love you" type
AFC shit... she'll want to get as far away from you as possible.
- You cannot control these women (as with pretty much any woman) but
especially these ones. Give them as much freedom as you can. When she
decides that she's had enough of being sexed by you (and she will decide),
don't be a baby about it.... turn into her friend and get yours back by
using her as a hot-hot-hot pivot.
- You will attract her by having an active social life in different scenes
with different people. You shouldn't talk about anything sexual until you
get IOIed by her.
- Telling her that you understand all this shit will help you out.... just
tell the story about "My friend met this girl who....."
- 10s will flake on you occasionally. Don't take it personally. They are
very ditzy and irresponsible
- 10s require that you have social proof (or other chicks in the
background), or you will have a very hard time getting them to trust you.
- Ask her if she likes drinking, and if she does... that's how you get
around her slut factor.
- Wear a condom (obvious enough) ... you don't know where they've been (and
you wouldn't like to know either, so she won't tell you!)
I guess I'm
> concerned that the 5% of strippers who are worth getting involved with
> will *not* respond to the patterns which work on the 95%
> 'live-for-the-moment types.
"Involved" would take on a different meaning with these chicks... as I have
explained.
On one hand we want to identify and
> eliminate the losers, but if we have to fuck them in the mean time,
> we'll just have to put up with the inconvenience :)
Depends what you call a loser.... if the completely open relationship I
described to you isn't your cup of tea.... don't get into one cause it will
mess with your head BIG-TIME.
cosmic
If he's looking for a connection with a girl, there's absolutely nothing
wrong with that!
That's what some people want you know, and the methods in this NG can be
used quite effectively to achieve this.
Not everybody is out to screw every girl that has a pulse.
cosmic.
"DSWGOS" <dsw...@cs.com> wrote in message
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Bet For A Living
One thing about strippers is that they are trained to treat men with RESPECT,
even if they are faking it. This causes them to have a much wider range of
what they will accept in a man: the overweight college professor is okay, as is
the boring accountant, the blue-collar worker, the motorcycle guy, the frat
guy, the 70 year-old millionaire with a terminal illness, etc.
Many of them want to be accepted as they are, and in return for that, will
usually accept you as you are.
Sex is a language to them, a way of communicating. They don't have to be
terribly attracted to you physically to have sex with you. They will REWARD
you with sex if they believe you deserve the reward, and this could be for any
number of reasons.
There are strippers who are very loyal girlfriends, and others who are total
players. You really can't generalize, and it's stupid to do that, because you
never know how any one of them may act or behave, especially if she's the one
who decides she wants you.
The player methods you see here work on the class of strippers who reward that
behavior. This isn't the only class, nor is it the most desirable one.
Ray Gordon, Author
The Seduction Library
http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html
fish...@conservatory.com
Andybaby <priva...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If you *are* looking for a girlfriend though, how do you figure out if
>shes a 'GF-worthy' stripper, or just a birdbrain?
I dated a quite a few dancers, but they tended to be into hard drugs.
This might have been a regional thing (Dallas TX), or a product of the
time (1980's), but it sucked, for a whole lot of reasons.
--