Maddman's online PU structure
maddman
Here is the basic outline I am using
1) Initial screening. Make sure that she is at least in my area and
reasonable age. If possible, get a pic. I usually start in the chat
room asking "Is anyone from XXXX" in yahoo or looking up someone in
the area in ICQ
2) Fluff. Talk about what she does for fun, her work, whatever else
she has enough interest to go into. If she brings up something
negative, redirect it to positive thoughts. When you have her
interest, she is actively responding to you (no one word answers, this
is a sign that you are one of several people she is talking to), go to
step three.
3) EV. Chat allows you to be very direct, ask her if she dates a lot,
what kind of guys she likes. Or (preferably) transition into this
from the fluff. Online EV isn't that much different than IRL. Once
you have a pretty good idea of what makes her tick, go for the cube.
4) The cube seems to work just as good online as IRL. Sometimes you
have to lead a bit more, as its hard to get someone to use thier
imagination through the computer. Get the answers and interpret.
Make sure to ask her where you were wrong, as this will fix any
misconceptions you have about her character.
5) After the cube, you might be able to close right then. Depends on
how amazed she is with your insights. If she isn't blown away,
continue the conversation displaying the values you now know she has.
When she starts to display interest in you (Are you taken, you are
such an interesting guy, etc.) close.
6) When you close, I try to have the same attitude as others preach in
setting up MLTRs. There is no resistance, because its perfectly
normal to meet people from chat rooms. Make it coffee or drinks in a
public place, after all you don't know that SHE isn't a psycho.
Why online PU?
Many posters will tell you (rightly) that there are many problems with
working online. Amoung these are a high flake factor, that it can be
a crutch keeping you from working IRL, that by its very nature that it
devalues your Alpha status - after all, you have to meet chicks on the
net.
I worked online because of my location. I live in a rural area.
There is no street. There is one mall, mostly filled with senior
citizens. One club within 80 miles and it sucks ass so bad they have
Ladies Night on friday. I've had days where going out to dept.
stores, the mall, etc. for 3-4 hours and making NO approaches, because
I saw NO HBs. Plus there is a cultural thing here, people don't make
friends easily. They tend to hang out with the same people they went
to High School with. So I used what resources I did have, the net.
On the problems I illustrated, I have the following solutions.
Flaking - this seems to me to simply be the same solution as anywhere
else. Generate enough interest and she won't flake. The cube helps
immensly here IMHO. Who else can get such insights into her mind? If
she does flake, use the apology method - call her up and apologize for
standing her up. There was a friend that called and I couldn't tell
her no. :)
Crutch - this isn't an issue for me, as I have and still do work IRL.
Anyone looking to the net to avoid the initial discomfort of
approaching is going to be disappointed, as you can't fuck her over
the internet, you are going to have to meet IRL to get anywhere.
de-Alphaing. My solution here is thus - I am not online to pick up
chicks! I am merely killing time. If its on a weekend, I'm killing
time before I go out to a club/party. Since if she's online its
likely all she's doing that night, you have demonstrated that you are
MORE active and social than she is. If she gets in line, she might
just have something more interesting to do next weekend than sitting
in front of her computer.
I've only tested this theory since last weekend. Have two meetings
this week, after two approaches. Closed one in about fifteen minutes.
I would have done more, but hell I don't have time for any more
meetings this week. I'll let you guys know how it goes. If anyone
else has some thoughts or questions, or want to try this themselves,
I'd surely appreciate it.
maddman
Sebastian
habit to exchange pics in the initial stages? Because I know that one
of the problems with online PUs is that things can be going great but
unless you're a great looking guy, you'll likely lose all the
attraction you've created once she gets your pic. There is no need to
deal with this IRL since you interact face to face. Have you dealt
with this situation before?
Also, this is rather ot, but what PU games have you had the best
response from? The Cube?
Thanks
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maddman
Don't have a pic, actually. My hard drive crashed recently and I lost
a bunch of stuff, including the pics of myself. I got these two
meetings this week set up with out a pic, from theirs they are a 7 and
8. (though I don't rely on pics too much - have to wait until I see
them to be certain)
The cube is the only one I've tried online so far. Once I test it out
fairly well I think I'll try Craig's Four Magic Questions.
This occured to me today. I think one of the reasons the 'game' setup
actually works is that it gets sexual thoughts going into the chick's
mind. It usually goes something like this:
me:Hey, you want to play a game?
her:ummm, I don't know.
her:What kind of game.
*she's assuming that I want to cyber with her*
me:nothing freaky, I promise!
*go into cube*
I think this sets up cognitive dissonance, where she knows she was
thinking about sex but I wasn't. Therefore she must be attracted to
me. (cog. diss. is a mechanism for the mind to deal with a confusing
or absurd situation). Not certain...need to experiment some more.
After this week I'll do a few more - see if I can get a chat
transcript for you guys.
l8r
maddman
PS - Since when did looks matter? If she's dropping you because of a
crappy pic you haven't generated enough interest.
Sebastian
> crappy pic you haven't generated enough interest.
No, I wasn't saying looks were important. I was pointing out the
differences between PUing online and IRL. IRL, a guy may not be
greatlooking but he can still PU effectively through use of SS, kino,
etc. Contrast this to online, you have less control. She can't hear
your voice, you can't kino, do patterns (you could but I don't see how
you would anchor her response) Because of these restrictions, even if
someone were to do a reasonable job of generating interest, your looks
would still be of some importance.
Sorry, I should have been more specific.
maddman
hmm. THink I'll stick with my story of my hard drive crashing for
awhile. Eliminate looks altogether. I mean I'm not quasimodo, but I
ain't exactly Brad Pitt either. I have a meeting tomorrow with
netchick #1, see how it goes.
Mystery
talk.
"maddman" <maddm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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maddman
> this word FLUFF really has to be deleted. There is no such thing as FLUFF
> talk.
>
trying to find out something she is interested in and get the right
answers to the cube game.
I've had a high flaking factor, and on UG whose pic she gave me was
about 20 lbs ago. Chick didn't even wear makeup!
Absolutely right Mystery - shouldn't be fluff, that's what all the
other boring fuckers she talks to do.
Thanks.