Generalities
David Shade
Here are some of my observations. They are generalities.
Women and Their Siblings:
Oldest daughters are more competitive. Middle daughters are the accommodating
negotiators and are the ones most able to recite the age and birth date of all
their siblings. The youngest daughters are usually the more fancy free and
spoiled ones.
Women with much older siblings of either gender may tend to prefer older men.
Women and Their Brothers:
Women who had older brothers tend to be very comfortable around men. They can
chum it up with any of them and tend to have many male friends. Women who had
younger brothers tend to posses a nurturing posture towards men.
Women who had no brothers tend to have less male friends and are more apt to be
found flirting with men then chumming it up with men.
Women and their Fathers:
The old adage that women marry their fathers is so very true.
Women of divorced parents tend to end up divorced themselves. If their father
was absent, they tend to be with men who are absent. Women who were treated
well by their fathers tend to have a good self esteem and to be with men who
treat them well. They take compliments well. Women who were treated badly by
their fathers tend to have a low self esteem and be with men who treat them
badly. They do not take compliments well. Women who were the youngest sibling
and spoiled by their father tend to be confident and sassy.
Women and Relationships:
Women who are happy in their current relationship do not look at men.
Women who are unhappy in their current relationship are the biggest fucking
window shoppers. They tend also to be flirts, and some like to show off.
Women who have recently fallen out of a relationship are total emotional basket
cases. They are running around seeing just how attractive they are to men and
how well they can do. They are also anxious to prove that the relationship did
not end because they were a flat lay. They tend to be very difficult to deal
with. Once they have found that a guy wants them, they quickly run and see whom
they can hook next.
Women who have not been in a relationship for a while look at men very
deterministically and not for long. They make a determination and then are
done. They are emotionally healed and usually have come to realize what they
want. They let men come to them.
David Shade
DeepBlue
says...
>
> Here are some of my observations. They are generalities.
>
> Women and Their Siblings:
>
Hey, this is very interesting stuff. Where did you get this? Did you get
it from that paperback book that came out a few years ago--I think it was
called, "The Birth Order Book"?
I only read a little of that book, but if it has stuff like what you
wrote, then I may get the book.
SuperDude
training" than the rest, so it makes sense for he or she to be more
commanding and more grown-up. But I wonder what the oldest sibling would
be like if he or she was not the tallest of the bunch? Probably bossy and
insecure?
David Shade
Women obtain their morals from their parents.
Women and religion:
Women practice the religion of their mother but attend with the frequency of their
father, except in the case where a woman was the child of an alcoholic father, she
may tend to turn to religion.
Women and Sexuality:
Women like sex just as much as us (if you’re good.)
Most women view sex as an opportunity to share.
Women are just as horny as us, even more so with advancing age, and much more so
with ovulation.
David Shade wrote:
> Here are some of my observations. They are generalities.
>
> Women and Their Siblings:
David Shade
DeepBlue wrote:
> In article <369D56CD...@hotmail.com>, david...@hotmail.com
> says...
> >
> > Here are some of my observations. They are generalities.
> >
> > Women and Their Siblings:
> >
> [snip]
> Hey, this is very interesting stuff. Where did you get this? Did you get
> it from that paperback book that came out a few years ago--I think it was
> called, "The Birth Order Book"?
>
> I only read a little of that book, but if it has stuff like what you
> wrote, then I may get the book.
DeepBlue:
Thank you. I am glad you found it interesting.
I have skimmed through the book “Birth Order” and subscribe to most of what it
says.
Actually, I learned most of it from experience. 6 years ago when my marriage of
8 years broke up, I decided that I was going to understand why it broke up, why
I chose the wrong person, and how I was going to choose correctly in the
future. I searched for means of determining quickly and accurately if a
particular woman was someone I would be compatible with.
Then a friend of mine told me he heard that “A woman, who had a close
relationship with her father when she was a child, is a better lover.” I
thought, “What the fuck does that have to do with anything?” Then I recalled
the women I have know, and damn, things started to fall into place. I started
looking further into the idea of “we are products of our past experiences.”
With a lot of practice, asking questions, and tuning myself to body language, I
eventually got to the point where I could talk briefly with a woman and then
tell her I knew she was a daddy’s girl, had older brothers, was college
educated, etc, etc. But it freaked her out so much it scared her, so now I keep
it to myself. I use it to interact with her based on what I know she will be
more comfortable with.
For instance, youngest siblings who were close to their fathers are often heard
saying: “I am always right.” So, if I am talking to a woman and have concluded
that she is such a creature, I will half jokingly reply to something she says
with “…but of course…you are always right.” Her eyes and mouth open wide and
she exclaims, “Yes! Yes! That is what I always say!” I have created more of an
emotional bond with her and helped her feel that I understand her. I never tell
her how I know. I let her believe that fate has finally led her to the man she
was always meant to be with. (By the way, even though this is a very confident
and sassy woman, she is almost certainly sexually submissive.)
As another example, if I conclude that the woman I am talking to was the
daughter of a father that did not treat her well, I know that she has an
emotional bottomless pit of inadequacy which she perpetually needs to have
filled. She grew up constantly and futilely seeking the love and attention of
her father. To attempt to establish rapport with this woman with compliments,
however, would drive her away. Compliments are unnatural for her as she
honestly and truly does not believe that she deserves them. Instead, this woman
responds to a challenge to obtain the unattainable, and interestingly, to
material gifts. The material gifts are a substitute for compliments without
being a compliment. So, if I am talking to this woman say in a night club, I may
give her a paper rose (representing a material gift and some attention) and
challenge her to please me by saying something like, “I wonder if you truly are
interested in really getting to know someone?” The perpetual cycle continues.
It is to our advantage to understand the past experiences of a woman to
establish a rapport in a context of conversation that is natural for her.
David Shade
A2dotml
- I believe that most women who have had a very good relationship with their
dad are tickelish. This has held true and helped me know going into a
realtionship that the woman didn't have a good relationship with her dad
(didn't even know who he was in one case) and I was MUCH more prepared for the
wierdness that eventually came.
<snip)
DeepBlue
says...
>
>
> DeepBlue:
> Thank you. I am glad you found it interesting.
>
Partly what I like about your observations is that they ring true with
what my own intuition has told me about women that I've met. Also, it
sounds like you've given these things some serious thought. If you have
any more of these observations or insights to post, I am interested to
hear them.
David Shade
DeepBlue wrote:
DeepBlue:
That is all I have. I would be interested in hearing any that you or others
have.
David
Bryant Tyson
> I've written this before, but what you say is exactly true. This isn't a joke
> - I believe that most women who have had a very good relationship with their
> dad are tickelish. This has held true and helped me know going into a
Fear that. The tickle thing is true now that I think about past
experiences. That's just amazing how something that little can mean so
much.
-Bry
DeepBlue
says...
>
> DeepBlue:
> That is all I have. I would be interested in hearing any that you or others
> have.
> David
>
various women, but these observations were usually fleeting thoughts and
I didn't take care to write them down so as to remember them. That's why
I thought it was so cool to read what you wrote...they rang true and felt
vaguely familiar...I thought "yes, yes, that's exactly it."
I written down a lot of ideas about meeting and attracting women, but not
much on how to assess the type of woman you are with.
For now here is a random assortment of a few things I've noticed:
Women tend to wear white stockings when they are feeling sexually
frustrated (as in, they aren't getting any). And red shoes when they're
unusually horny. One girl I know refers to her red shoes as her "fuck me
red" shoes.
Women are sexually "in heat" just before and during a full moon.
Women who have had a strict catholic background tend to develop in one of
two directions...they either rebel against their sexual inhibitions and
break free of it to become passionately sexual in bed, or they completely
give in to their inhibitions to become as sexy as a dish rag. (I have a
great story about this. I'll have to post it sometime.)
If you make a silly comment to be playful, some women will be amused and
some won't, but a sure sign of good rapport is when the woman responds
with a similar type of comment herself as if you had initiated a game and
she was joining you by playing along. Not only does she appreciate your
humor, she also enjoys following your lead.
In a similar way, how well a woman follows your lead in dancing (the kind
where you hold each other and move in sync) is a good indicator of the
rapport you two have on an emotional level.
Women who are good kissers tend to be good in bed, and women who are
lousy kissers tend to be lousy in bed, but there are exceptions.
Ticklish women tend to be very arousable; blocking arousal is what triggers
a "ticklish" feeling and laughter. If you brush over a woman's body with
a feather light touch it may tickle her, but if she relaxes and embraces
the sensations, so that she is surrending to them rather than resisting
them then she experiences the sensations as arousing.
Some women don't actually like men, they view men as "success objects"
and are more interested in how the right man will get her the approval of
other women. (Similarly, some men don't truly enjoy a woman's company and
just want a pretty showpiece to win admiration from other guys.)
Possible signs of this type of woman: reads Vogue, often mentions gifts
that people gave her and speaks adoringly of famous and wealthy men, her
bedroom is "agressively feminine" i.e., filled with exageratedly feminine
themes like violet colors and orchid shaped glass sculpture throughout,
would rather dress "fashionable" than to wear something just to please
her guy, wears ultra long red nails, has overplucked eye brows,
frequently goes to have her hair done, nails done, etc (mainly for the
female cameraderie rather than to please men) and she will even tell you
all about her appointment to get her legs waxed (hey women: I don't want
to hear about it) since her aim is not to surprise a guy with her
smoother legs, but just to seem sophisticated and fashionable.
Hows that? The funny thing is I actually regret any awareness of these
warning signs, because I'm not convinced about the helpfulness of
"watching out for" what you don't want.
I've seen some women's relationship books that are overflowing with
descriptions of all the "types of men to avoid" and I think these books
just make women too suspicious and defensive around men so that the men
they go out with end up feeling "guilty until proven innocent"--like with
her they can't win so why bother trying.
Compare that to a woman who gives you the benefit of the doubt and shows
a lot of trust in you--that kind of woman brings out the best in you.
I figure the same is true about being too suspicious of women. If you are
constantly on guard, watching for the worst (even if you keep your fears
a secret) they have a mysterious way of influencing the other person so
they become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You'll be able to congratulate
yourself about how you were right and "knew it all along" but you wont
know how different everything might have been if you had been less
cautious and guarded in the first place.
DeepBlue
DeepBlue
says...
> We gotta start a web page to save all this kewl info, instead of it timing out and
> not being accessible to new readers.
>
To be really useful, the material also needs to be organized into topics
and subtopics, because otherwise it starts to feel overwhelming.
Especially with lots of good stuff, a long random list can make people
feel like, "my god, how am I supposed to remember all this!" Organization
makes it easier to remember, and it also lets readers focus on one narrow
topic at a time. The result would be an awesome "web book" on meeting,
attracting, and seducing women.
night...@hotmail.com
noe...@noaddress.com wrote:
> In article <369D56CD...@hotmail.com>, david...@hotmail.com
> says...
> >
> > Here are some of my observations. They are generalities.
> >
> > Women and Their Siblings:
> >
> [snip]
> Hey, this is very interesting stuff. Where did you get this? Did you get
> it from that paperback book that came out a few years ago--I think it was
> called, "The Birth Order Book"?
>
> I only read a little of that book, but if it has stuff like what you
> wrote, then I may get the book.
I've never read the book, but what I've heard from it has rung quite true in
my experience.
NightLight9
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night...@hotmail.com
David Shade <david...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> DeepBlue wrote:
> > Partly what I like about your observations is that they ring true with
> > what my own intuition has told me about women that I've met. Also, it
> > sounds like you've given these things some serious thought. If you have
> > any more of these observations or insights to post, I am interested to
> > hear them.
>
> That is all I have. I would be interested in hearing any that you or others
> have.
> David
>
David, You have nailed it right on the head, you need to figure out where
some is comming from before you figure out how to get them to go with you :-)
Although never married, I too decided to figure out exactly what makes women
tick and what they need. I love you explanations, they are right on with my
experience. Some notes I would add: Women are better at going long periods
without sex, but once they get it, they want it more than men. I've seen
this attributed to an actual physical addition to the hormones involved, but
I don 't know if that's true or not (I've also seen this given as a reason
why women tend to stay with the men the sleep with, but I can think of
atleast 3 other very plausible reasons why that might be.)
Here is something for general flirting and it comes from your comment that
those Sassy women are submissive in bed. My experience has been that women
and sassy women in particular want to be "broken" by a dominating man. I
don't mean physically and I don't mean by someone who is a total asshole.
But they do want someone who will not take shit, and is very self confident.
The particularly sassy ones often will act like they don't like you at first
and will act confrontationally with you. Don't back down (don't start a fight
either :-). Just hold your ground and smile a lot. Let them know you are in
charge of your situation and are enjoying it. My experience with these women
is that they often tell me that their previous lovers were more submissive
and that I am the first one who took control. I have a feeling this has more
to do with the other men's lack of self confidence anything special about me.
But this is fairly common. I have to admit I've dated mostly younger ( less
than 24) women although some have had been experenced with older men (I'm
25). My final bit of flirting advice would be: When you look a girl in the
eye the first time make her break the look. This implies strength, looking
away implies weakness. Show her your strong.
Hope this was helpful
David Shade
night...@hotmail.com wrote:
> <<snip>> My final bit of flirting advice would be: When you look a girl in the
> eye the first time make her break the look. This implies strength, looking
> away implies weakness. Show her your strong.
>
> Hope this was helpful
>
> NightLight9
>
NightLight9:
This is so very true. I asked one woman friend of mine “why did you go out with
him?” and she said “because when I looked at him he kept eye contact with me.”
When I recall the very successful people I have had the pleasure of working for in
the corporate world, I remember that they all maintained eye contact while
speaking to me. When you watch somebody successful being interviewed on TV, like
Scott McNealy of Sun, you notice that they never look away from their
interviewer’s eyes.
When I look at a girl, I look directly into her pupils and stay with it. I never
look elsewhere. I try not to blink until conversation has begun. I concentrate
on the size and detail of her pupils, and never ever break eye contact, almost to
the point where my peripheral vision has vanished. It fucking works. When I
started doing this, I found that chicks maintained eye contact with me very
naturally. They responded better to everything we talked about.
I do not look at her full red lips. I do not look at her perky tits. The time
will come soon enough when she will beg me to suck them harder. hehe.
David Shade
night...@hotmail.com wrote:
> 25). My final bit of flirting advice would be: When you look a girl in the
> eye the first time make her break the look. This implies strength, looking
> away implies weakness. Show her your strong.
>
> Hope this was helpful
>
> NightLight9
>
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NightLight9, you have nailed it right on the head too man. Sassy daddy’s girls
with their father’s strong personalities grew up sparing with their fathers, but
knew when to back down to get their way, and he loved her so much that he found
himself letting her have her way. She backed down, he was able to remain strong,
but she got her way. It is a dance she knows well. One such woman told me “I
know how to stroke a man’s ego.” They want to be with a man as equally strong as
them, but they also love being a woman and celebrating their femininity and
sexuality with a strong man by being submissive in bed. The dance she knows
continues. A toast! To sassy daddy’s girls, and their fathers we owe so much to!
David Shade
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night...@hotmail.com wrote:
David Shade
DeepBlue wrote:
> In article <36A2F750...@hotmail.com>, david...@hotmail.com
> says...
> >
> > DeepBlue:
> > That is all I have. I would be interested in hearing any that you or others
> > have.
> > David
> >
> Some of these "generalities" have crossed my mind as I got to know
> various women, but these observations were usually fleeting thoughts and
> I didn't take care to write them down so as to remember them. That's why
> I thought it was so cool to read what you wrote...they rang true and felt
> vaguely familiar...I thought "yes, yes, that's exactly it."
>
> I written down a lot of ideas about meeting and attracting women, but not
> much on how to assess the type of woman you are with.
>
> For now here is a random assortment of a few things I've noticed:
>
> Women tend to wear white stockings when they are feeling sexually
> frustrated (as in, they aren't getting any). And red shoes when they're
> unusually horny. One girl I know refers to her red shoes as her "fuck me
> red" shoes.
>
This is novel. Now I know why I have always liked chicks who wear white stockings
and red shoes.
>
> Women are sexually "in heat" just before and during a full moon.
>
I think its during ovulation, when they are fertile. I have heard that women
cycle with the moon, but there is a much stronger chemical signal for women who
live together or work together to sinc up.
>
> Women who have had a strict catholic background tend to develop in one of
> two directions...they either rebel against their sexual inhibitions and
> break free of it to become passionately sexual in bed, or they completely
> give in to their inhibitions to become as sexy as a dish rag. (I have a
> great story about this. I'll have to post it sometime.)
>
One of the horniest women I ever dated was a Sunday school teacher in a very
traditional church.
>
> If you make a silly comment to be playful, some women will be amused and
> some won't, but a sure sign of good rapport is when the woman responds
> with a similar type of comment herself as if you had initiated a game and
> she was joining you by playing along. Not only does she appreciate your
> humor, she also enjoys following your lead.
No truer words.
>
>
> In a similar way, how well a woman follows your lead in dancing (the kind
> where you hold each other and move in sync) is a good indicator of the
> rapport you two have on an emotional level.
You can always tell if a couple is good in bed together by the way they dance
together.
>
>
> Women who are good kissers tend to be good in bed, and women who are
> lousy kissers tend to be lousy in bed, but there are exceptions.
Women feel this way about men. I thus give chicks a preview of "what is in store
ahead" with the kiss.
>
>
> Ticklish women tend to be very arousable; blocking arousal is what triggers
> a "ticklish" feeling and laughter. If you brush over a woman's body with
> a feather light touch it may tickle her, but if she relaxes and embraces
> the sensations, so that she is surrending to them rather than resisting
> them then she experiences the sensations as arousing.
>
> Some women don't actually like men, they view men as "success objects"
> and are more interested in how the right man will get her the approval of
> other women. (Similarly, some men don't truly enjoy a woman's company and
> just want a pretty showpiece to win admiration from other guys.)
>
> Possible signs of this type of woman: reads Vogue, often mentions gifts
> that people gave her and speaks adoringly of famous and wealthy men, her
> bedroom is "agressively feminine" i.e., filled with exageratedly feminine
> themes like violet colors and orchid shaped glass sculpture throughout,
> would rather dress "fashionable" than to wear something just to please
> her guy, wears ultra long red nails, has overplucked eye brows,
> frequently goes to have her hair done, nails done, etc (mainly for the
> female cameraderie rather than to please men) and she will even tell you
> all about her appointment to get her legs waxed (hey women: I don't want
> to hear about it) since her aim is not to surprise a guy with her
> smoother legs, but just to seem sophisticated and fashionable.
Damn, that's some really good shit!
>
>
> Hows that? The funny thing is I actually regret any awareness of these
> warning signs, because I'm not convinced about the helpfulness of
> "watching out for" what you don't want.
I used to look for ways to watch out for what I dont want, but I have found that
there was something in every woman that I have met that I really liked, and you
are right, it puts barriers up in front of you that only impede you. Now I want
to know it all.
>
>
> I've seen some women's relationship books that are overflowing with
> descriptions of all the "types of men to avoid" and I think these books
> just make women too suspicious and defensive around men so that the men
> they go out with end up feeling "guilty until proven innocent"--like with
> her they can't win so why bother trying.
>
> Compare that to a woman who gives you the benefit of the doubt and shows
> a lot of trust in you--that kind of woman brings out the best in you.
>
> I figure the same is true about being too suspicious of women. If you are
> constantly on guard, watching for the worst (even if you keep your fears
> a secret) they have a mysterious way of influencing the other person so
> they become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You'll be able to congratulate
> yourself about how you were right and "knew it all along" but you wont
> know how different everything might have been if you had been less
> cautious and guarded in the first place.
>
> DeepBlue
*applause*
David Shade
DeepBlue wrote:
> In article <36A3FF8A...@hotmail.com>, david...@hotmail.com
> says...
> > We gotta start a web page to save all this kewl info, instead of it timing out and
> > not being accessible to new readers.
> >
>
> To be really useful, the material also needs to be organized into topics
> and subtopics, because otherwise it starts to feel overwhelming.
>
> Especially with lots of good stuff, a long random list can make people
> feel like, "my god, how am I supposed to remember all this!" Organization
> makes it easier to remember, and it also lets readers focus on one narrow
> topic at a time. The result would be an awesome "web book" on meeting,
> attracting, and seducing women.
All very true. It will take someone to spend the time to organize the stuff and install
new postings. We would need technology to help minimize the effort required.
Having it maintained by a human will also keep out the flames.
Could be awesome.
doug...@my-dejanews.com
> the corporate world, I remember that they all maintained eye contact
I'm starting to notice this kind of thing all the time now. Today I bought a
new jacket & the guy at the till didn't even look at me never mind make eye
contact. I walked away thinking this guy is gonna make for a lousy salesman.
DeepBlue
> Man, this is some good shit.
> > lousy kissers tend to be lousy in bed, but there are exceptions.
>
> Women feel this way about men. I thus give chicks a preview of "what is in store
> ahead" with the kiss.
That's always a good source of guidance--thinking about how the things
you do with her can give her hints of how you will be with her in bed.
Cuz women are looking, all the time, for those hints.
[remainder snipped]
>
> Damn, that's some really good shit!
>
> *applause*
Thanks! I have thousands of pages more. Maybe I should post some of it.
But I like the idea of it being organized somehow, rather than just
tossing it randomly to the wind. That's why I haven't bothered to post
much of it. Maybe I should create a hyperlinked document, but instead of
putting it on the web, maybe I should burn it all onto a CD-ROM and all
those who contribute good material get a free copy.
There might be something to be said for limiting access to this stuff to
contributors (via a CD-ROM) rather than tossing it on a web page for
every guy on the planet. If you go someplace to meet women and every guy
there is using your tips on meeting/attracting women, then it no longer
provides you with an edge. Either way though, organizing it all will be a
lot of work.
David Shade
DeepBlue wrote:
> In article <36A4188...@hotmail.com>, david...@hotmail.com says...
> > Man, this is some good shit.
> > > Women who are good kissers tend to be good in bed, and women who are
> > > lousy kissers tend to be lousy in bed, but there are exceptions.
> >
> > Women feel this way about men. I thus give chicks a preview of "what is in store
> > ahead" with the kiss.
>
> That's always a good source of guidance--thinking about how the things
> you do with her can give her hints of how you will be with her in bed.
> Cuz women are looking, all the time, for those hints.
>
> [remainder snipped]
>
> >
> > Damn, that's some really good shit!
> >
> > *applause*
>
> Thanks! I have thousands of pages more. Maybe I should post some of it.
> But I like the idea of it being organized somehow, rather than just
> tossing it randomly to the wind. That's why I haven't bothered to post
> much of it. Maybe I should create a hyperlinked document, but instead of
> putting it on the web, maybe I should burn it all onto a CD-ROM and all
> those who contribute good material get a free copy.
>
> There might be something to be said for limiting access to this stuff to
> contributors (via a CD-ROM) rather than tossing it on a web page for
> every guy on the planet. If you go someplace to meet women and every guy
> there is using your tips on meeting/attracting women, then it no longer
> provides you with an edge. Either way though, organizing it all will be a
> lot of work.
I am interested in seeing more of your ideas.
I agree it should be limited to contributors. It should be on a Web page, as opposed
to CD, where it can remain “alive.” It could still be hidden by changing the directory
name like Mindlist does.
Yes, the information should be categorized and hyperlinked. There must be a technology
to help us construct this.
We could get a page on GeoCities and any of the “SysOps” can edit it no matter where we
are located.
No doubt organizing it will be a lot of work. We will have to divide the labor amongst
a few “SysOps.”
I’m in if you’re in. Anyone else?
DeepBlue
says...
> > > > lousy kissers tend to be lousy in bed, but there are exceptions.
> > >
> > > Women feel this way about men. I thus give chicks a preview of "what is in store
> > > ahead" with the kiss.
> >
> > you do with her can give her hints of how you will be with her in bed.
> > Cuz women are looking, all the time, for those hints.
> >
> > [remainder snipped]
> >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Thanks! I have thousands of pages more. Maybe I should post some of it.
> > But I like the idea of it being organized somehow, rather than just
> > tossing it randomly to the wind. That's why I haven't bothered to post
> > much of it. Maybe I should create a hyperlinked document, but instead of
> > putting it on the web, maybe I should burn it all onto a CD-ROM and all
> > those who contribute good material get a free copy.
> >
> > There might be something to be said for limiting access to this stuff to
> > contributors (via a CD-ROM) rather than tossing it on a web page for
> > every guy on the planet. If you go someplace to meet women and every guy
> > there is using your tips on meeting/attracting women, then it no longer
> > provides you with an edge. Either way though, organizing it all will be a
> > lot of work.
>
> I am interested in seeing more of your ideas.
> I agree it should be limited to contributors. It should be on a Web page, as opposed
> to CD, where it can remain “alive.” It could still be hidden by changing the directory
> name like Mindlist does.
> Yes, the information should be categorized and hyperlinked. There must be a technology
> to help us construct this.
> We could get a page on GeoCities and any of the “SysOps” can edit it no matter where we
> are located.
> No doubt organizing it will be a lot of work. We will have to divide the labor amongst
> a few “SysOps.”
> I’m in if you’re in. Anyone else?
>
could take a lot of time. I sometimes have a tendency to take a simple
project and turn it into something so grand that it ends up not getting
done. There was a simple elegance to your idea of just saving good posts
on some web page. Maybe we should do that after all, and maybe the "web
book" could evolve out of that gradually over time. We could maintain
some measure of organization from the outset by having topic headings and
each post would be saved under the appropriate heading.
I'm not sure how to create a web page like this from a technical
standpoint--or how to easily enable people to contribute to it.
Incidentally, there are two programs I had in mind when I was thinking of
the "web book." On is called Trellix which is a word processor
specifically designed for creating on-line documents, and the other is
called Robohelp HTML Edition (possibly renamed to Webhelp) which is for
creating on-line help systems which is more or less what this is.
David Shade
DeepBlue wrote:
> In article <36A4188...@hotmail.com>, david...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> > > Women who are good kissers tend to be good in bed, and women who are
> > > lousy kissers tend to be lousy in bed, but there are exceptions.
> >
> > Women feel this way about men. I thus give chicks a preview of "what is in store
> > ahead" with the kiss.
>
> That's always a good source of guidance--thinking about how the things
> you do with her can give her hints of how you will be with her in bed.
> Cuz women are looking, all the time, for those hints.
>
So, how does a player hint? I know how to do it with the kiss, but what about before
that? Remember the movie Don Juan DeMarco? He took a woman's hand and licked between
two fingers. hehe, bit obvious. Let's assume even before that. You guys have any
suggestions?
DeepBlue
says...
> > > > lousy kissers tend to be lousy in bed, but there are exceptions.
> > >
> > > Women feel this way about men. I thus give chicks a preview of "what is in store
> > > ahead" with the kiss.
> >
> > you do with her can give her hints of how you will be with her in bed.
> > Cuz women are looking, all the time, for those hints.
> >
>
> So, how does a player hint? I know how to do it with the kiss, but what about before
> that? Remember the movie Don Juan DeMarco? He took a woman's hand and licked between
> two fingers. hehe, bit obvious. Let's assume even before that. You guys have any
> suggestions?
>
>
Juan DeMarco was terrific, but but rather of qualities that a guy can
convey through almost anything he does.
For instance, most women respond well to a strong guy who is actively
being gentle, especially when it comes to sex. The quality of strength is
there in the background, and to balance that strength he is extra careful
to be gentle with her. This can come through in your tone of voice, in
the way you touch her, or even in the way you handle a wine glass.
Another example: women get plenty of practice at resisting sexual
advances and resisting even their own sexual urges as they hold out for
"Mr right". In the process they can get a bit stuck in that role and feel
inhibited even when they don't want to. It helps a woman break free of
her inhibitions if she is with a guy who is a bit wild and free of
inhibitions himself.
So, if you are a bit bold and reckless and uninhibited, in a way that
looks relaxed, natural and believable rather than forced or hesitant, a
woman knows that with you her sexual inhibitions will fall away and the
mere anticipation of that excites her sexually.
I have too much of this stuff! I can't type it all up. I'll have to
figure something out. Maybe one of those voice dictation systems.
For the "web book," there has got to be some way of creating an outline
of topics and subtopics and then--most importantly--enable others to
easily attach their own input to the appropriate heading. It would be a
master table of contents for a book that is soliciting its contents from
the readers. A unique concept. It won't be perfect, but at least it wont
be overly dependant on someone organizing and maintaining it all. At
most, someone could be in charge of weeding out the inevitable crap
and sales pitches that get added by flamers and spammers.
Anyone have ideas on how a web page that contains a clickable list of
topics and subtopics can be set up to allow others to easily add material
beneath a particular topic? (But without giving everyone the ability to
change the html coding of the site, which would make it too easy to
vandalize).
David Shade
DeepBlue wrote:
> In article <36A5DC0F...@hotmail.com>, david...@hotmail.com
> says...
> >
> >
> > DeepBlue wrote:
> >
> > > In article <36A4188...@hotmail.com>, david...@hotmail.com says...
> > > >
> > > > > Women who are good kissers tend to be good in bed, and women who are
> > > > > lousy kissers tend to be lousy in bed, but there are exceptions.
> > > >
> > > > Women feel this way about men. I thus give chicks a preview of "what is in store
> > > > ahead" with the kiss.
> > >
> <<snip>>
These are all very good.
Just as you said, the way a man holds himself is very important. Just watch guys like
Mickey Rorke. I have some buddies who get all sorts of action and this is the way they move.
The way a man dresses is also very important. Women have a saying: “You are what you
wear.” I have found that it is best to dress up at a casual place and dress down at a
formal place. Just make yourself a little different so the chicks know you are not just
another schmuck. One of my killer combinations, and a favorite of most players, is: black
wool blazer, black jeans, black cowboy boots, metal belt, white stretch T shirt, and a very
thin gold necklace. Once when wearing this a lady told me “You dress like you are really
hot in bed.” Another is a silk blazer with a tight gold/black pattern, over a gold sweater
and black jeans. One lady pointed at me and said to her friend “Look at that bad boy.”
When I am feeling very bold and want to dress down I wear a biker type black leather jacket
over a T shirt and old torn blue jeans.
DeepBlue
says...
>
> One of my killer combinations, and a favorite of most players, is: black
> wool blazer, black jeans, black cowboy boots, metal belt, white stretch T shirt, and a very
> Once when wearing this a lady told me “You dress like you are really
> hot in bed.”
Now that's what I call a compliment!
What to wear could be a whole thread in itself, no pun intended.
One of my own favorites is off-white dockers with jet black top--either a
black leather jacket, a black blazer, or a black crew neck shirt. Light
blue jeans with a dark navy blue shirt also works well for me. Women
often respond favorably to seeing several shades of the same color
together (except where they're supposed to match exactly, as with a
suit). But some colors are better than others depending on a person's
hair, eye, and skin colors. Your clothing colors should interact well
with your own colors.
I'm starting to feel motivated to just go ahead and create a web site
myself and I can cut and paste all the goodies that appear in alt.asf
over into the web site where people will be able to access them in an
organized way.
To make the job a little easier on myself I'd give all contributors
credit on an acknowledgements page, but freely combine or edit similar
tips into the appropriate sections without cluttering up the advice
itself with people's names.
We could periodically solicit additional input within the newsgroup on
topics that are lacking, and as soon as it gets posted into the newsgroup
I could cut and paste it over to the web page into the appropriate
category.
It wont be immediate, because a well thought-out, well organized site
will take some time to set up.
As an added resource I have not only my own notes, but I also have a copy
of anything useful that got posted in alt.asf as far back as the end of
1997. That's a fair amount of material.
Let me know what you think.
David Shade
DeepBlue wrote:
> In article <36A65DCC...@hotmail.com>, david...@hotmail.com
> says...
> >
> I'm starting to feel motivated to just go ahead and create a web site
> myself and I can cut and paste all the goodies that appear in alt.asf
> over into the web site where people will be able to access them in an
> organized way.
>
> To make the job a little easier on myself I'd give all contributors
> credit on an acknowledgements page, but freely combine or edit similar
> tips into the appropriate sections without cluttering up the advice
> itself with people's names.
>
> We could periodically solicit additional input within the newsgroup on
> topics that are lacking, and as soon as it gets posted into the newsgroup
> I could cut and paste it over to the web page into the appropriate
> category.
>
> It wont be immediate, because a well thought-out, well organized site
> will take some time to set up.
>
> As an added resource I have not only my own notes, but I also have a copy
> of anything useful that got posted in alt.asf as far back as the end of
> 1997. That's a fair amount of material.
>
> Let me know what you think.
Let's take this offline. email me and I will write you back with my thoughts.
wbsk...@yahoo.com
can't have it both ways... either you end up doing a lot of work yourself, or
you leave it open to getting fucked up.
BOBO!!
> Anyone have ideas on how a web page that contains a clickable list of
> topics and subtopics can be set up to allow others to easily add material
> beneath a particular topic? (But without giving everyone the ability to
> change the html coding of the site, which would make it too easy to
> vandalize).
>
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night...@hotmail.com
> >
>
> I think its during ovulation, when they are fertile. I have heard that women
> cycle with the moon, but there is a much stronger chemical signal for women
who
> live together or work together to sinc up.
This is right on the money. Too bad about the sensitive nipples. The moon
could have an effect as well, but menstration is proven :-)
> > Women who are good kissers tend to be good in bed, and women who are
> > lousy kissers tend to be lousy in bed, but there are exceptions.
>
> Women feel this way about men. I thus give chicks a preview of "what is in
store
> ahead" with the kiss.
>
This is has become so popular, because it is so accurate. Kissing is
something that it pays to be good at. But a big part of being a good kisser
is just getting into it. Just let go and don't be hessitant.
NightLight9
night...@hotmail.com
David Shade <david...@hotmail.com> wrote:
{snip}
> These are all very good.
>
> Just as you said, the way a man holds himself is very important. Just watch
guys like
> Mickey Rorke. I have some buddies who get all sorts of action and this is the
way they move.
>
> The way a man dresses is also very important. Women have a saying: “You are
what you
> wear.” I have found that it is best to dress up at a casual place and dress
down at a
> formal place. Just make yourself a little different so the chicks know you
are not just
> another schmuck. One of my killer combinations, and a favorite of most
players, is: black
> wool blazer, black jeans, black cowboy boots, metal belt, white stretch T
shirt, and a very
> thin gold necklace. Once when wearing this a lady told me “You dress like
you are really
> hot in bed.” Another is a silk blazer with a tight gold/black pattern, over
a gold sweater
> and black jeans. One lady pointed at me and said to her friend “Look at that
bad boy.”
> When I am feeling very bold and want to dress down I wear a biker type black
leather jacket
> over a T shirt and old torn blue jeans.
I think haircut is even more important than dress (although both are
important). Get rid of the dorky part on the side, I'm in newscaster school
look. I prefer the pulled back wet spiky look for myself, but everyone has to
find the right one for themselfs, but when was the last time you heard a woman
say "I want Peter Jenings in me"?
Women love white teeshirts, especially if you have any body at all. Good
fitting blue jeans are a can't miss.
Attitude is the key though. Different styles appeal to different women, but
all women like a man who is confident and clearly knows what he is doing. In
many ways that is the definition of sexy. Be strong, relaxed and confident
(not the annoying, overbearing overconfidence that comes from trying to act
confident). Model yourself after harisson ford in starwars (with carrie
fisher)
On top of the things people talk about on this list to illicit values and
build rapport. Master these things and your well on your way.
night...@hotmail.com
noe...@noaddress.com wrote:
This would be great. You can take certainly take anything I wrote (under the
name NightLight9) and do what you will. Not to say you'd want to.
As far a copyrighting, Don't worry to much about it. If you paraphrase you
should be fine, expecially if you have a page of credit. Also, It's pretty
unlikely that anyone would sue you for stuff taken from alt seduction, as long
as you didn't pass it off verbatim as your own. Most of this is opinion and
dime store genaralizations (although some quite effective at acheiving an end)
anyway :-)
NightLight9
> I'm starting to feel motivated to just go ahead and create a web site
> myself and I can cut and paste all the goodies that appear in alt.asf
> over into the web site where people will be able to access them in an
> organized way.
>
> To make the job a little easier on myself I'd give all contributors
> credit on an acknowledgements page, but freely combine or edit similar
> tips into the appropriate sections without cluttering up the advice
> itself with people's names.
>
> We could periodically solicit additional input within the newsgroup on
> topics that are lacking, and as soon as it gets posted into the newsgroup
> I could cut and paste it over to the web page into the appropriate
> category.
>
> It wont be immediate, because a well thought-out, well organized site
> will take some time to set up.
>
> As an added resource I have not only my own notes, but I also have a copy
> of anything useful that got posted in alt.asf as far back as the end of
> 1997. That's a fair amount of material.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
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Aaron R Kulkis
You mean "Princess Lay-ya"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
Fidelio
>night...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Model yourself after harisson ford in starwars (with carrie
>> fisher)
>You mean "Princess Lay-ya"
I once saw a list of imperfections in movies. Star Wars had quite a
few of them. In the original one, where Luke gets out of the x-wing
after a succesful mission, Layla runs to him, and he shouts out
'Carrie!'. This was later redone to 'Layla!' in the video version and
the recent reworked version.
R
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DeepBlue
> Aaron R Kulkis <aku...@flash.net> writes:
>
> >night...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >> Model yourself after harisson ford in starwars (with carrie
> >> fisher)
>
> >You mean "Princess Lay-ya"
>
> I once saw a list of imperfections in movies. Star Wars had quite a
> few of them. In the original one, where Luke gets out of the x-wing
> after a succesful mission, Layla runs to him, and he shouts out
> 'Carrie!'. This was later redone to 'Layla!' in the video version and
> the recent reworked version.
>
> R
>
Doors" starring Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison, there's a scene where a woman
(played by Meg Ryan) meets him back stage and she exclaims "Val!"
Supposedly this is still there, but I didn't want to rent the
video again just for that so I haven't confirmed it.