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Rodneybiggs

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Feb 25, 2001, 7:52:00 PM2/25/01
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I would like to try SS but I always feel funny about using the patterns...any
way to get over this inhibition??

I need to do this otherwise I will never get the the SS materials from
sseduction .com

Maddman75

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Feb 25, 2001, 8:28:09 PM2/25/01
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>===== Original Message From rodne...@cs.com (Rodneybiggs) =====

IMHO - If you feel funny about doing ANY kind of approach, you haven't got
the
right mindset yet. Seduction is experimentation, the chicks are not
rejecting
you...they are rejecting your approach. Modify your approach and/or your
presentation of yourself until your results improve.

Why would you feel funny about using a pattern? Is it because if some
stranger started talking to you like this you'd think they were on crack?
Well, that's because YOU ARE NOT A CHICK!!! A great majority of chicks read
those cheap romance novels, full of chance meetings with bad boys who seem
to
talk at least a little bit like Ross. They fantasize about this, they go to
sleep fingering thier pussys thinking about this, and you're afraid to do
it?

Maybe you think its too weird - most guys don't talk like this, it would
sound
totally off the wall. Well, if you go by what most guys do, I guess you'd
better be prepared to start buying drinks and dinners, kissing ass, and NOT
getting laid. Because that's what MOST guys do - be different from them!

Crash and Burn, my man. Get out there and realize that women are not going
to
bite your head off or freak out if you do an approach, even a non standard
one.
Go GM for awhile maybe. After talking about how big your dick is and how
hot
her pussy is (just kidding :), an IC will seem pretty tame.

That's my $.02, good luck dude!

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John C. Ryan, Jr.

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Feb 25, 2001, 10:29:22 PM2/25/01
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Rodneybiggs wrote:
>
> I would like to try SS but I always feel funny about using the
> patterns...any way to get over this inhibition??
>

The inhibition you have, is from thinking that "patterns" are
pre-organized, set groups of words that you have to memorize and deliver
just so. If you think of "patterning" this way, you are doomed to
failure, discontent, and misgivings.

Think of learning patterning as a methodology of interspersing your
regular conversational style with expressive imagery that is designed to
touch a woman's mind, lead her imagination, and capture her thoughts.

If you can do that, then you're ready to learn how to put patterns
together.

--

Jack

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Sources for Basic Information
(DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK)
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Read the ASF FAQ here:
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http://www.seduction.com - Ross Jeffries
http://www.fastseduction.com - Formhandle
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Treeland_AZ

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Feb 26, 2001, 12:38:52 AM2/26/01
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Simple response here, and I want every newer person here to read it.

If your not comfortable with patterns, DONT USE THEM. These things are not
supposed to be memorized and recited, they are just describing ways of
talking which moves emotions. Hopefully to your betterment :).

They are however absolutely NOT necessary, I've never used 99.9% of whats
in patterns and I get laid just fine. Admittedly I use poetry alot, which
is in my opinion a very nicely refined version of patterning (and easier to
get away with some wild subjects in, because it's just poetry, lol). And
yes, I'm already a fine talker capable of manipulation and emotional
movement (I'm a salesman by trade). Still, I don't TRY to use NLP, I don't
sit around STRUGGLING over patterns. If you want to succeed doing these
things, you simply have to make it how YOU talk. Patterns are just a rough
outline, if you can't adlib a bit on it, it's NOT going to sound right
coming out of your mouth.
I go out there, I meet women, I attract women, I lay women. If you want to
do the same, your NOT going to get it done sitting around here talking
about how wierd patterning sounds. Your going to do it by going out there
and practicing, by testing yourself, by being CONGRUENT. If you want to use
patterns and aren't quite sure about them, go out and try to adlib a few in
conversations, see how it works for you. You reap what you sow ;p.

But, thats just my opinion :)
Treeland_AZ

Alan Palmer

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Feb 26, 2001, 2:06:58 AM2/26/01
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Treeland_AZ wrote:
>
> Simple response here, and I want every newer person here to read it.
>
> If your not comfortable with patterns, DONT USE THEM. These things are not
> supposed to be memorized and recited, they are just describing ways of
> talking which moves emotions. Hopefully to your betterment :).
...


RJ makes the point time and time again that the patterns he cites are
examples only and that the SS student must integrate this kind of talk
with his style.

Is there something about this in the FAQ? If not, it deserves to go in.

Formhandle

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Feb 26, 2001, 1:41:40 AM2/26/01
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Alan Palmer wrote:

> RJ makes the point time and time again that the patterns he cites
> are examples only and that the SS student must integrate this kind
> of talk with his style.
>
> Is there something about this in the FAQ? If not, it deserves to
> go in.

I wonder... can everyone here just IMAGINE what it would be like to ...
become comfortable using pattern language, use that kind of
communication in every aspect of your life? Wouldn't it be great if, in
order to... feel comfortable using patterns, you could ...use them in
your everyday conversations with people. What an amazing thing that
would be. Can you feel that?

Sorry, couldn't help it. Just reinforcing what Alan was saying...

--
jay <formh...@aol.com>

Fast Seduction 101 - http://www.fastseduction.com/
Class is now in session...

fluca

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Feb 26, 2001, 2:28:52 PM2/26/01
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I loved this. When you try to rationalize what patterning is and how the
hell such a "complicated" thing could work, patterning really does seem
impossible to use.
Then you read a post like this, and while you read it, you can't help
but to feel the things Formhandle is describing. It's amazing. I read this
post and at the same time was thinking, this guy wrote a pattern, and even
though I knew it, I couldn't help but feel it.
Great!


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tango-son

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Feb 27, 2001, 4:57:28 AM2/27/01
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you are a genius
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