Status: Need kino techniques!
Stil
anymore.
Just some background: I'm still quite the AFC, but I have been
practicing for about two months. I've gotten very comfortable with
approaches and basic conversation stuff (tonality, mirroring). I have
no problems approaching and starting up with 9's and 10's anymore (two
months ago I wouldn't have even considered approaching).
I've been working on maniac's new "plan" and I'm having a bit of a
problem transitioning girls from non-sexual to sexual talk. This has
happened several times now... Some time into the conversation, when I
believe there's enough rapport, I'll try a little kino. The chick will
go into deep freeze mode. This has happened four times already (I know
I know thats not alot, but I'm just starting).
The conversation goes great up until I start any kino thats more than
light touches on the shoulder--like for instance I'll clasp her hand
lightly with both of my hands. They just clam up and get like "Afraid
Chick" in one of maniac's recent posts--answering very quickly and with
short sentences, looking around, etc. It's strange, because I read many
of the field/lay reports here and no one seems to have trouble
initiating kino and maintaining it.
And no, I'm not trying this in a church or something ;-)
I think if I can't get enough kino in, I have no chance of getting
anywhere. There must be some kind of order that you have to do
everything in, so that there is no resistance. What I mean is, you
don't go up to a chick and jam your hand into her underwear. You have
to start simple and work your way into more and more intense stuff. I'm
just lost as to what should be done, and when.
Any comments or suggestions would help. I'm dead in the water until I
master kino, because from reading most of the experiences here, it is
really the #1 key part of closing the deal.
Thanks
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Doctor Owl [Feathered Serpents]
but I have an idea.
> I've been working on maniac's new "plan" and I'm having a bit of a
> problem transitioning girls from non-sexual to sexual talk. This has
>
After you have some rapport going, are you moving them to a place
that's more secluded? You need to put them in a new environment
and alone with you, so they don't worry about friends seeing them
being felt up, and also preparing them for the inevitable ;)
> The conversation goes great up until I start any kino thats more than
> light touches on the shoulder--like for instance I'll clasp her hand
>
Maybe you just need to get her alone. If she is alone, then try to
learn one of these palm-reading tricks that guys talk about, and
keeping your hand on hers for a little bit longer than normal, and
remember to let go and touch back a minute later or so, and so
on.
> I think if I can't get enough kino in, I have no chance of getting
> anywhere. There must be some kind of order that you have to do
>
I agree, after vague shoulder/back/arm kino, moving them into a
secluded place gives you the chance to turn the talk sexual and
invoke feelings in them... only then can you really start doing the
main kino everyone wants and needs ;)
> Any comments or suggestions would help. I'm dead in the water until I
> master kino, because from reading most of the experiences here, it is
> really the #1 key part of closing the deal.
>
I agree, I hope this helps. By the way, feel free to post some details
about you're approaches, it's something I'm still doing as well as I
would like to. Where are you going, do you establish eye contact,
what do you say when you approach and do, etc. It would help
me and others to hear :)
DrOwlFS
the prophet
to initiate kino into a meeting or conversation.
why guide to initiating kino is that you should start kino as soon as you
meet the girl.
- when you walk up to her offer a hand shake and dont be too eager to let go
again.
- just touch her arm or wherever else you can think of.. (but not in sexual
places..YET)
- pretend she is a female cousin at first and casually touch her as you
would put your arms around a friend.
now what you need to know is that she WILL flinch the first time you touch
her. she wont feel comfortable, but as you talk to her and be friendly, your
touches wont be anything new and the girl will get used to and start to like
your warm arm touching her.
another good kino technique i tearnt was from someone else's
post...(maniac?)
it's the one where you:
1. kino her ass or somewhere you think she'll subtly reject you from
2. get rejected
3. kino in a less sexual area (right above her ass or wherever you see fit)
the above techinque is sort of like the bargainer's technique, where he
offers a high price (for rejection) for an object then lowers it a little.
i dont understand why this works but it does....yes i've tried it
.the prophet.
"Doctor Owl [Feathered Serpents]" <dro...@vianet.net.au> wrote in message
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Doctor Owl [Feathered Serpents]
been "working on their shoulder, but they flinch when I start to
go to their hand".
But you are perfectly right, of course, I start shoulder kino as
soon as I meet them, and they think it's just a natural balance
as I lean an inch closer to listen ;)
> - when you walk up to her offer a hand shake and dont be too eager to let
go
> again.
>
This is good when introduced by friends, but for someone
that I haven't met, it seems too formal, I prefer the going
up and saying "Hi! How has your day been?" as if I know
them already.
> - pretend she is a female cousin at first and casually touch her as you
> would put your arms around a friend.
>
Rowr ;) Just kidding.
> another good kino technique i tearnt was from someone else's
> post...(maniac?)
>
I can see this working, but how far into the conversation would
you start this? Immediately? I know people use it as the 'last
base', kissing neck... down to breasts... lower, get pushed back
up a little... then kiss neck, etc, until they break down :) Is this
what you mean?
DrOwlFS
Brian
Stil wrote:
>
> This may have been brought up before, but I can't find the discussion
> anymore.
<snip>
Stil:
From what you've said, I think the problem is that you're not initiating
kino soon enough. Your report sounded like you were talking to the
girl, then suddenly you moved on to sexual talk and kino, and the chick
freaked out.
What you need to do is establish yourself as a "touch-feely" person from
the beginning. Touch her hand, touch her shoulder, touch her arm, and
show from the BEGINNING of your interactions that you are not afraid of
invading her space, and that you are comfortable being close to her.
The way I work, during the initial interactions I will put my hand (palm
down) on the top of her hand or I will put the back of my hand against
her shoulder while I am talking to her. If I get her to laugh, I will
put my hand palm down on her forearm while she is laughing and while I
am telling her something funny.
Later, during the "date" (when I have her alone and I'm working the
magic), I will sit next to the chick as close as possible and maneuver
so that I can put my arm around her and rub her back. I will also rub
my leg against her leg and pretend that it isn't happening. :) Since
I've established from the beginning that I'm comfortable touching her,
this isn't a problem.
I hope this helps, and let us know how you're doing, ok?
--
Brian
brianr75 AT yahoo DOT com
Doctor Owl [Feathered Serpents]
> Later, during the "date" (when I have her alone and I'm working the
> magic), I will sit next to the chick as close as possible and maneuver
> so that I can put my arm around her and rub her back. I will also rub
> my leg against her leg and pretend that it isn't happening. :) Since
> I've established from the beginning that I'm comfortable touching her,
> this isn't a problem.
>
I have to get this far on my next adventure :)
DrOwlFS
Jack
>
> This may have been brought up before, but I can't find the discussion
> anymore.
>
>
> I think if I can't get enough kino in, I have no chance of getting
> anywhere. There must be some kind of order that you have to do
> everything in, so that there is no resistance. What I mean is, you
> don't go up to a chick and jam your hand into her underwear. You
> have to start simple and work your way into more and more intense
> stuff. I'm just lost as to what should be done, and when.
>
Kino is King in Seduction. It's also not some "Magic Bullet" that can
unzip some chyck's pants. It's a means of indicating that you are a Man
That Likes To Touch Women, and that you are a Sexual Being. So, keeping
these things in mind, look for opportunities to simply place a hand on
her in a non-threatening, not too overtly sexual way. (e.g. Don't grab
her tit right away.)
You may be making too much of detail, and not paying enough attention to
concept.
>
> Any comments or suggestions would help. I'm dead in the water until I
> master kino, because from reading most of the experiences here, it is
> really the #1 key part of closing the deal.
>
> Thanks
I don't know how helpful this is going to be, but here's a repost of a
good Kino technique that I used once. I ended up getting shot down, but
that's not the point. Up until the suggestion that she actually *DO*
something about the feelings I was giving her, she was into it.
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BEGIN REPOST
|
| Subject: Shoot-down Report...
| Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:04:50 -0500
| From: "John C. Ryan, Jr." <Jetm...@oohay.com>
| Reply-To: jetm...@oohay.com
| Organization: ---[ * ]---
| Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast
|
|
| It happens to the best of us. Comments, critiques, ideas, anyone?
|
| Background: I'm a grad student, at a small community university. At
| my school, Masters-level courses aren't split from undergrad courses,
| they just have higher course numbers, the class is longer, and you
| have to do more work. (bummer) Anyhow, there's this co-ed whom I have
| been slowly working on for about a month. I was being careful, so as
| not to piss off the faculty, who frowns on talking in class,
| socializing, and crap like that. Working on it after class isn't an
| option, since the grad classes are 30 minutes longer than the
| undergrad ones.
|
| Let's call her "Mary".
| We've exchanged eye contact many times, I've helped her with lab
| assignments, chit chatted various times during the day, when passing
| each other on campus. Anyhow, last week I had a perfect opportunity
| to do the deed, so to speak. I saw her on campus, an as she passed
| me, I watched her approach, smile and start to pass me. I waited
| until she got three steps past me, and spoke loudly, "Mary! You are
| going to just walk past me and not give me a hug?" Well, she stopped,
| turned, and held out her arms! I just stood there, and she finally
| capitulated, and came to me to give me a light hug. (grabbed my
| shoulders and did that little French "kiss the air on either side of
| my face" thing.) I pulled her in, and she only slightly held back.
| Great so far!! After a little small talk about class, I told her I
| know you don't have a class right now, so let's head over to my house
| and get some lunch.
| Mary: (instantaneous)I have a Borefriend. (Okay… no big deal.)
| Jack: I'm not inviting him… I'm inviting you.
| M: Well, don't you have a GF?
| J: I have several. What has that to US getting a bite? (vague… LOL)
| M: Well, my BF and any of your GFs won't like it.
| At this point, I cupped her elbow, to fire an anchor I had placed
| over the past few weeks and said, "I can't believe that what anyone
| else thinks about what we do, matters in the least to what fun we
| will have over lunch."
| M: (indecision) Well…. I can't do that.
| J: So have you two set a date yet?
| M: Ummm…. No. We're going to be deciding that later in the year.
| (There's still a goood chance!)
| J: Oh, good. I guess you don't have a real reason not to come to
| lunch then. It's not like I'm asking you to come over to my place,
| to have hot sex, or anything. I'm inviting you for a gourmet lunch,
| cooked right in front of you by a great guy.
| M: I bet you go through girlfriends like shit through a duck.
| I was totally taken aback by this. I just stood there for a second
| or two, with my face slack...
| J: I can't believe you said that to me. I have high standards, and
| I'm picky about who I go out with.
| M: Well, I don't think this would be a good idea. (The more charming
| I got, the more pissed or frustrated she seemed to get…)
| I fired off the anchor again, and told her, "Well. I didn't think
| you would really go for it, since you are a nice girl and everything.
| Nice girls usually don't eat."
| She smiled and said, "I like you, anyway. You're a nice, sort of
| "chillin" kind of guy."
| I really got some "cool" (as in cold, not good) vibes out of it, and
| I felt at the time, that it wouldn't matter what I did, I wasn't
| getting nywhere. She really was getting pissed...
|
| She's a "prom queen", classical musician, bookworm type... If she
| ever dolled herself up she'd be a 14.995 on the babe-0-meter. As it
| is, she's about a 12.
*** Here's the bit about the Kino:
| Now, this situation was a perfect opportunity for me to try a few
| interesting things, that I haven't tried before, because
| circumstances and the girls I was talking to haven't been suitable
| for it. I tried an unusual technique at the time, and I know damn
| well it contributed to her unease, and she really didn't do anything
| to stop me either. We were outside. I kept her back to the wind, so
| the breeze would blow her hair around her head, and into her face. I
| kept inching closer, and brushing her hair, gently from her face...
| You know, gentle stroke of her cheek, and brush the hair out of the
| corners of her mouth.. Tracing the line of her jawbone...
| It was pretty good, if I do say so myself. In fact, at one point,
| she closed her eyes and tilted her face back. I should have kissed
| her.
| I'd been laying groundwork, like setting anchors, and making comments
| to let her know I wasn't a mannequin, over the past couple of weeks,
| but I'd never had much of a chance to do anything too seriously...
|
| I wish to hell I was posting a Lay report.. LOL
|
| Now in the few days since this, she's not looked my way at all. I'm
| ignoring her too, but I'm being visibly friendly with some other
| girls in the class. I'm now at a loss as to how to proceed.
|
| Advice, Comments, Critiques?
|
| --
|
| Jack
|
The fact that I got shot down is really not pertinent to this repost,
but I felt I had to leave it all in so you could get a feel for how
the whole thing went down.
I'd like someone else to try that Hair-Brushing technique out, and let
me know what kind of results (if any) you had...
HTH
--
John C. Ryan, Jr., M.Ed.
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Book Guy
are some things to think about:
My exes (and strippers, but who trusts them?) have raved about
my touch for the following reasons:
1. it's extremely light, as though the weight of my arm were
like a feather. As though I were tickling the subtle little
peach-fuzz and trying to give her goose-bumps. Nothing really
much heavier than that quite often. So, if I'm stroking her
shoulder, I really REALLY back off from the typical masculine
level of weight and pressure. It's almost "tickly", right at the
edge between "tickly" and "stroke," and always has a regular and
slow rhythm.
2. the idea of touching in order to arouse her, is to forget
what you are doing and consider where she is going. Touch in
order to direct her emotions. This means, limit thinking about
how much YOU enjoy the feel under your hand, and think instead
about how much SHE responds (her eyes, her breathing, wuddever)
to that area of her body under your hands. (In that sense, kino
is a direct and total metaphor for the whole seduction, and I'm
sure her brain is following along in similar manner.)
Just some ideas ...
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a girl and make her think you're a freak?
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| Mary: (instantaneous)I have a Borefriend. (Okay. no big deal.)
| Jack: I'm not inviting him. I'm inviting you.
| M: Well, don't you have a GF?
| J: I have several. What has that to US getting a bite? (vague. LOL)
| M: Well, my BF and any of your GFs won't like it.
| At this point, I cupped her elbow, to fire an anchor I had placed
| over the past few weeks and said, "I can't believe that what anyone
| else thinks about what we do, matters in the least to what fun we
| will have over lunch."
| M: (indecision) Well.. I can't do that.
| J: So have you two set a date yet?
| M: Ummm.. No. We're going to be deciding that later in the year.
| (There's still a goood chance!)
| J: Oh, good. I guess you don't have a real reason not to come to
| lunch then. It's not like I'm asking you to come over to my place,
| to have hot sex, or anything. I'm inviting you for a gourmet lunch,
| cooked right in front of you by a great guy.
| M: I bet you go through girlfriends like shit through a duck.
| I was totally taken aback by this. I just stood there for a second
| or two, with my face slack...
| J: I can't believe you said that to me. I have high standards, and
| I'm picky about who I go out with.
| M: Well, I don't think this would be a good idea. (The more charming
| I got, the more pissed or frustrated she seemed to get.)
Stil
"the prophet" <h...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> i think what this guy really wants to do and know how to do at the
moment is
> to initiate kino into a meeting or conversation.
Actually, I'm interested in both.
One problem is that I'm not really a "touchy feely" guy. This of course
must be changed. And it can... A few months ago I would have never
imagined going up to HB 9's and 10's and just saying hi, but after lots
of practice I can pretty much make an approach anywhere, and try to do
it as often as possible, even if I don't intend to close. The same can
be done with my ability to touch just right ;-) Someone asked for a
"top 10" list for seduction a few days ago, and no one mentioned the
most important thing: PRACTICE!
I appreciate everyones tips and help! I'll try to pace things right,
since I'm probably rushing things more often than not. I especially
like Book Guy's "really light touching" idea, and I'm going to give it a
try, and report back.
Manito
this kino trick is sooo cool. i did that to a chick she actually
shivered when I ran my thumb down the side of her face. she tilted her
face up to me and closed her eyes and shivered!!! i leaned in and kissed
her full on the mouth. it was awesom! got her number too!
this guy like totally rocks!!!
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