Saw another club-game question here, and since I abhor nightclubs, I figure what the hell, I'll share my tactics. This can also be applied other places, but it works best in a nightclub.
The top PUAs have something in common when they operate at clubs in that THEY VIEW THE CLUBS THE WAY WOMEN DO. They don't think in terms of "targets" or even "sets." Sure, they talk about approaches, routines, and openers, but the key to their success (other than pivoting, of course) is that they are FLIGHTY. Like women, they move from person to person, set to set, walking away when the hottie knows that an AFC would stay there and cling to a phantom opportunity.
Doing this "flips the script" and is the most efficient way of conveying non-neediness. You don't need to DHV or do anything else if you are flighty enough, because you are never in one place or talking to one person long enough to fuck up, and of course you aren't giving off a vibe like you're out to get laid.
Each interaction becomes a building block where each chick (and her supporting cast) gets to know you bit by bit, little by little, and since you aren't fucking up, your popularity will rise by attrition as all the other tryhards continue to fuck up and blow themselves out.
This is a more muted strategy than the DHV, and requires that you don't aggressively try to close with any one target, but instead let your social circle within the club build over time. For this to work ideally, you want to hit the same club one night each weekend, three weekends a month, with fashionable absences thrown in. If you know how to dance or are good-looking, all the better, but you can be assured that you WILL get noticed over time.
When in a club, think SOCIAL BUTTERFLY. You aren't trying to DHV any specific target because you simply don't care enough about any one specific chick unless you are fucking her, and once that happens you won't be in the club. If you want to see this in action, visit a strip club sometime and watch how the dancers always leave the customers wanting a bit more.
You don't have to be "alpha," don't have to act like you own the place, and don't have to do anything but be your (cool) self, let nature take its course, and build your social circle. Even when you eventually "run game" you can do it with nothing but the truth, because the truth will be both visible and desirable to her.
Just TRY this for two months at a few hotspots and see what happens. It only takes three nights a month at one club.
Now, there is a PERFECT DHV line that can be used at the right time, but I'm going to hold onto that for a while, as the last time I used it in a strip club, the results were two #-closes, and I'm in the process of accumulation (another key concept is to keep accumulating contacts until you are overloaded and bump out the ugly ones), but maybe down the road I'll share that too.
The reason the social-butterfly approach works so well is that you really aren't giving her anything to reject. No need for false time constraints, negs, patterns, or any of the other bullshit that every idiot in the world who's got "game" will be doing. Do it right, and the women will gravitate to you naturally.
Again, TRY it for two months, maybe three tops. If you aren't getting results, then consider what you're lacking that doesn't turn up so well under the microscope, and only then consider various tactics for "gaming" (such as pivots, wings, etc.). The pivot can always be used to accelerate the process, but by no means is it necessary, since you should be able to find them easily within the club environment itself.
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Here, Gordon, is the reason no one takes you seriously.
You give advice like this? Do you not realize what total crap this is?
"Ray Gordon" <Ray@cyber<failure>.com> wrote: > Saw another club-game question here, and since I abhor nightclubs, I > figure what the hell, I'll share my tactics. This can also be applied > other places, but it works best in a nightclub.
> The top PUAs have something in common when they operate at clubs in > that THEY VIEW THE CLUBS THE WAY WOMEN DO.
No, Gordon, they vew the club the way MEN do. Only a man who WANTS TO BE A WOMAN views the club the way a woman does.
> They don't think in terms > of "targets" or even "sets." Sure, they talk about approaches, > routines, and openers, but the key to their success (other than > pivoting, of course) is that they are FLIGHTY. Like women, they move > from person to person, set to set, walking away when the hottie knows > that an AFC would stay there and cling to a phantom opportunity.
Wrong. A true PUA is NOT flighty. A true PUA will enter a club, spend 10 seconds looking around, choose a target, and spend the rest of the night concentrating on her. He will be friendly to others, but will not be "flighty". Only a man who WANTS TO BE A WOMAN will be "flighty" in a nightclub.
A real PUA is CONFIDENT. Part of confidence is knowing what you want and GOING FOR IT. Flighty guys are considered weak, because it makes you look like you are afraid to make any kind of move, it makes you look like you are afraid of women. Is that the image you're looking for?
> Doing this "flips the script" and is the most efficient way of > conveying non-neediness. You don't need to DHV or do anything else if > you are flighty enough, because you are never in one place or talking > to one person long enough to fuck up, and of course you aren't giving > off a vibe like you're out to get laid.
You're also not in one place or talking to one chick long enough to build any rapport, or to exude any confidence, or for them to even get to know what you're all about. You end up looking like you have no people skills, like you aren't interesting enough to carry a conversation. In other words, you look like YOU.
> Each interaction becomes a building block where each chick (and her > supporting cast) gets to know you bit by bit, little by little, and > since you aren't fucking up, your popularity will rise by attrition as > all the other tryhards continue to fuck up and blow themselves out.
So tell us, oh knowledgable one <snicker>, how exactly does this get you laid? Are you just to wait around and hope beyond hope that a chick will make a move and try to get in your pants? Only a man who WANTS TO BE A WOMAN will act like that.
> This is a more muted strategy than the DHV, and requires that you > don't aggressively try to close with any one target, but instead let > your social circle within the club build over time. For this to work > ideally, you want to hit the same club one night each weekend, three > weekends a month, with fashionable absences thrown in. If you know > how to dance or are good-looking, all the better, but you can be > assured that you WILL get noticed over time.
What is the point of this excercise, Gordon? Sure, you will get noticed, but you will not get LAID. You will be viewed by the regulars of the club as the ULTIMATE AFC, nice enough to talk to everyone, but not MAN enough to go beyond friends.
> When in a club, think SOCIAL BUTTERFLY. You aren't trying to DHV any > specific target because you simply don't care enough about any one > specific chick unless you are fucking her, and once that happens you > won't be in the club. If you want to see this in action, visit a > strip club sometime and watch how the dancers always leave the > customers wanting a bit more.
You've got to be kidding me. Are you really this stupid, Gordon? Comparing a PUA with a stripper? Strippers are in the business of teasing. They do what they do because it's how they get gullible men to part with their dollar bills. You don't understand the basics of seduction if you are making comparisons like this.
> You don't have to be "alpha," don't have to act like you own the > place, and don't have to do anything but be your (cool) self, let > nature take its course, and build your social circle. Even when you > eventually "run game" you can do it with nothing but the truth, > because the truth will be both visible and desirable to her.
Let nature take it's course? And what course would that be, Gordon? If by that you mean being friendly and just waiting around hoping some chick will jump your bones, then once again, you've proven your ignorance of human interaction. You will not get something if you just sit there and stare at it. In fact, people will think you are weird.
> Just TRY this for two months at a few hotspots and see what happens. > It only takes three nights a month at one club.
What will happen is that you will have a massive case of blueballs. Lots of girls who will smile at you, but won't even give you their phone numbers, because you are just "too nice".
You have to be bold, you have to be confident, you have to have a personality, but most of all, YOU HAVE TO SEDUCE THEM. You aren't going to get laid if you only spend a few minutes a night chatting bullshit with them. You can't build rapport, you can't spark a connection, you can't generate interest if you don't spend time talking to them, and seducing them.
> Now, there is a PERFECT DHV line that can be used at the right time, > but I'm going to hold onto that for a while, as the last time I used > it in a strip club, the results were two #-closes, and I'm in the > process of accumulation (another key concept is to keep accumulating > contacts until you are overloaded and bump out the ugly ones), but > maybe down the road I'll share that too.
Please, don't bother. If all it's gotten you is two #-closes, it's not worth using. Unless you are really that much of a FAILURE that you actually consider two phone numbers to be a success. I thought the object of the exercise was to get laid.
> The reason the social-butterfly approach works so well is that you > really aren't giving her anything to reject.
You also aren't giving her any reason to like you enough to fuck you.
> No need for false time > constraints, negs, patterns, or any of the other bullshit that every > idiot in the world who's got "game" will be doing. Do it right, and > the women will gravitate to you naturally.
Sure, they'll gravitate to you when they want advice, or when they want to get away from another guy who is annoying them, or when they want someone to hold their purse while they dance with the PUA. But they will NOT want to fuck you.
> Again, TRY it for two months, maybe three tops. If you aren't getting > results,...
And you won't.
> ... then consider what you're lacking that doesn't turn up so > well under the microscope,...
Like a "personality".
> ... and only then consider various tactics for > "gaming" (such as pivots, wings, etc.). The pivot can always be used > to accelerate the process, but by no means is it necessary, since you > should be able to find them easily within the club environment itself.
Ok, here is your chance to redeem yourself, Gordon. Tell us, oh mighty one <snicker>, how exactly do you get laid after those three months. What do you do after you've made the regulars at the nightclub think you are socially inept and have no personality because you can only chat for a few minutes at a time? How exactly do you get any of these women into bed when they think of you as "too friendly" and "too nice". Women want men who are confident. Part of confidence is KNOWING WHAT YOU WANT AND GOING AFTER IT. After seeing you in the club for the third time without you making any kind of effort, these women will view you as a LOSER, and even your best seduction efforts will fail, any attempt at this point will get you the old LJBF. It's all about that pesky 10 second rule, don't ya know.
user3247 wrote: > Here, Gordon, is the reason no one takes you seriously.
> You give advice like this? Do you not realize what total crap this is?
No really it's not. It's good advice for specialty music scene-type club nights like goth, emo, rave, fetish, etc. The type of places where generally the same crowd regularly shows up once a week. This is exactly how I've gotten laid regularly throughout the years (chick: "I've seen you around and wanted to meet you for a long time. How come you never talk to me?"), and guys who come in from outside and try aggressive PU stuff on the regulars get blown out.
I don't think it would work as well in meat market type environments where there's not a regular "scene".
> > Here, Gordon, is the reason no one takes you seriously.
> > You give advice like this? Do you not realize what total crap this is?
> User3247 has taken a time machine into the future and field tested what I > wrote.
> Perhaps he can offer a better alternative for club game himself.
> Oh wait, the method I outlined takes patience, time, and long-term planning. > No wonder he doesn't like it.
> I forget how small the market of highly intelligent men is.
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>> Here, Gordon, is the reason no one takes you seriously.
>> You give advice like this? Do you not realize what total crap this is?
> No really it's not. It's good advice for specialty music scene-type > club nights like goth, emo, rave, fetish, etc. The type of places > where generally the same crowd regularly shows up once a week. This is > exactly how I've gotten laid regularly throughout the years (chick: > "I've seen you around and wanted to meet you for a long time. How come > you never talk to me?"), and guys who come in from outside and try > aggressive PU stuff on the regulars get blown out.
> I don't think it would work as well in meat market type environments > where there's not a regular "scene".
The nightclub scene tends to attract the same people over and over again.
Thanks for the props, btw. Looks like their "everyone" that disagrees with me is a few people short.
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>>> Here, Gordon, is the reason no one takes you seriously.
>>> You give advice like this? Do you not realize what total crap this is?
>> No really it's not. It's good advice for specialty music scene-type >> club nights like goth, emo, rave, fetish, etc. The type of places >> where generally the same crowd regularly shows up once a week. This is >> exactly how I've gotten laid regularly throughout the years (chick: >> "I've seen you around and wanted to meet you for a long time. How come >> you never talk to me?"), and guys who come in from outside and try >> aggressive PU stuff on the regulars get blown out.
>> I don't think it would work as well in meat market type environments >> where there's not a regular "scene".
> The nightclub scene tends to attract the same people over and over again.
> Thanks for the props, btw. Looks like their "everyone" that disagrees with > me is a few people short.
> Like women, they move from person to person, set to set, walking away when > the hottie knows that an AFC would stay there and cling to a phantom > opportunity.
Yawn.
This has been known for years as "working the room".
> Saw another club-game question here, and since I abhor nightclubs, I > figure what the hell, I'll share my tactics. This can also be applied > other places, but it works best in a nightclub.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... nobody cared when gordo said he would keep his garbage secret... so gordo posts it anyway.
Long winded crap cut... to sum up... go outside... meet women... don't be clingy... then wait for months to see results.
> user3247 wrote: >> Here, Gordon, is the reason no one takes you seriously.
>> You give advice like this? Do you not realize what total crap this is?
> No really it's not. It's good advice for specialty music scene-type > club nights like goth, emo, rave, fetish, etc. The type of places > where generally the same crowd regularly shows up once a week. This is > exactly how I've gotten laid regularly throughout the years (chick: > "I've seen you around and wanted to meet you for a long time. How come > you never talk to me?"), and guys who come in from outside and try > aggressive PU stuff on the regulars get blown out.
> I don't think it would work as well in meat market type environments > where there's not a regular "scene".
There's nothing wrong with building rapport and being somewhat aloof in a given club environment... but what gordo describes is being flightily and timid. Which is a very beta behavior. Gordo can't be alpha in a social environment because he doesn't know the difference between being a dominate alpha male and being an aggressive anti-social asshole.
>> Like women, they move from person to person, set to set, walking away >> when the hottie knows that an AFC would stay there and cling to a phantom >> opportunity.
> Yawn.
> This has been known for years as "working the room".
Exactly... and is done far more effectively by being alpha, and not with the timidity gordo describes.
> >> You give advice like this? Do you not realize what total crap this is?
> > No really it's not. It's good advice for specialty music scene-type > > club nights like goth, emo, rave, fetish, etc. The type of places > > where generally the same crowd regularly shows up once a week. This is > > exactly how I've gotten laid regularly throughout the years (chick: > > "I've seen you around and wanted to meet you for a long time. How come > > you never talk to me?"), and guys who come in from outside and try > > aggressive PU stuff on the regulars get blown out.
> > I don't think it would work as well in meat market type environments > > where there's not a regular "scene".
> There's nothing wrong with building rapport and being somewhat aloof in a > given club environment... but what gordo describes is being flightily and > timid.
I didn't view what he wrote as being flighty and timid. Being part of the "social circle/scene" is key in the type of clubs that I used to hang out in (btw - I don't do this much anymore - too damn old to being hanging out in nightclubs all the time). This also doesn't mean not to approach and just stand around waiting for the chicks to fall all over you. It probably worked for me personally because my conversation skills weren't all that great and I personally don't have much interest in seduction per se, only in sex. So I avoided all the chatty stuff that I felt was a pain in the ass. I never approached sets (isolation, isolation, isolation), never used fluff talk etc. You can do that in the nightclub environment and win, but not so much elsewhere. Then when you catch the target in an isolated situation, you approach as a person she already knows or has some sort of kinship with, even though she's never actually met you (it helps to have a distinctive hairstyle). I've fucked chicks an hour after meeting them by picking the right spot, even if the right spot comes months after first taking notice of them. They call you "mysterious", even though you're just a jackass that wants to fuck them like every other guy.
>> >> You give advice like this? Do you not realize what total crap this is?
>> > No really it's not. It's good advice for specialty music scene-type >> > club nights like goth, emo, rave, fetish, etc. The type of places >> > where generally the same crowd regularly shows up once a week. This is >> > exactly how I've gotten laid regularly throughout the years (chick: >> > "I've seen you around and wanted to meet you for a long time. How come >> > you never talk to me?"), and guys who come in from outside and try >> > aggressive PU stuff on the regulars get blown out.
>> > I don't think it would work as well in meat market type environments >> > where there's not a regular "scene".
>> There's nothing wrong with building rapport and being somewhat aloof in a >> given club environment... but what gordo describes is being flightily and >> timid.
> I didn't view what he wrote as being flighty and timid.
Well read his post again, he says it in the second paragraph in all caps.
> the "social circle/scene" is key in the type of clubs that I used to > hang out in (btw - I don't do this much anymore - too damn old to being > hanging out in nightclubs all the time). This also doesn't mean not to > approach and just stand around waiting for the chicks to fall all over > you. It probably worked for me personally because my conversation > skills weren't all that great and I personally don't have much interest > in seduction per se, only in sex. So I avoided all the chatty stuff > that I felt was a pain in the ass. I never approached sets (isolation, > isolation, isolation), never used fluff talk etc. You can do that in > the nightclub environment and win, but not so much elsewhere. Then > when you catch the target in an isolated situation, you approach as a > person she already knows or has some sort of kinship with, even though > she's never actually met you (it helps to have a distinctive > hairstyle). I've fucked chicks an hour after meeting them by picking > the right spot, even if the right spot comes months after first taking > notice of them. They call you "mysterious", even though you're just a > jackass that wants to fuck them like every other guy.
Once again you're overcomplicating the simply ideas of building rapport and being somewhat aloof. That's neither groundbreaking as gordon wants us to believe, nor is it particularly effective if done in the flighty and timid way gordo described.
> >> >> You give advice like this? Do you not realize what total crap this is?
> >> > No really it's not. It's good advice for specialty music scene-type > >> > club nights like goth, emo, rave, fetish, etc. The type of places > >> > where generally the same crowd regularly shows up once a week. This is > >> > exactly how I've gotten laid regularly throughout the years (chick: > >> > "I've seen you around and wanted to meet you for a long time. How come > >> > you never talk to me?"), and guys who come in from outside and try > >> > aggressive PU stuff on the regulars get blown out.
> >> > I don't think it would work as well in meat market type environments > >> > where there's not a regular "scene".
> >> There's nothing wrong with building rapport and being somewhat aloof in a > >> given club environment... but what gordo describes is being flightily and > >> timid.
> > I didn't view what he wrote as being flighty and timid.
> Well read his post again, he says it in the second paragraph in all caps.
Ok, did us the word "flighty", which was probably a poor choice of words, but the overall premise was pretty solid. This segment particularly rang true in my experience:
"Each interaction becomes a building block where each chick (and her supporting cast) gets to know you bit by bit, little by little, and since you aren't fucking up, your popularity will rise by attrition as all the other tryhards continue to fuck up and blow themselves out. "
Again, I think this is specific to particular scenes and subcultures that consider themselves closed societies (suspicious of newbies), and would be silly to try if you weren't already in the club for some other reason (like you're there because it's the only place in town that plays Joy Division and she is too).
>> Thanks for the props, btw. Looks like their "everyone" that disagrees >> with me is a few people short.
> How did ONE person not disagreeing with you become 'a few people'? > It's logic like that that makes it difficult to believe what you post.
Gordo doesn't seem to understand that one person finding one aspect of something he said that wasn't completely retarded, isn't "props."
If gordo burst in here screaming about his new groundbreaking invention, "The wipe your ass after you take a shit method." and someone agreed that to wipe your ass after a shit isn't a bad idea.... gordo would take that as agreement that what he said was:
1. new and groundbreaking. 2. his original idea. 3. top shelf advice.
Gordo doesn't seem to grasp that when he takes ideas that are already well established like building rapport and social influence... then ads a dose of his timid failure rationalization, that doesn't make it a new discovery or innovative idea.
That makes it gordo slapping one of his excuses and failure rationalizations onto an existing concept.
When someone calls him on it, he acts as if they are attacking the established concepts gordo plagiarized, and not the dose of stupid gordo added himself.
>> >> >> You give advice like this? Do you not realize what total crap this >> >> >> is?
>> >> > No really it's not. It's good advice for specialty music scene-type >> >> > club nights like goth, emo, rave, fetish, etc. The type of places >> >> > where generally the same crowd regularly shows up once a week. This >> >> > is >> >> > exactly how I've gotten laid regularly throughout the years (chick: >> >> > "I've seen you around and wanted to meet you for a long time. How >> >> > come >> >> > you never talk to me?"), and guys who come in from outside and try >> >> > aggressive PU stuff on the regulars get blown out.
>> >> > I don't think it would work as well in meat market type environments >> >> > where there's not a regular "scene".
>> >> There's nothing wrong with building rapport and being somewhat aloof >> >> in a >> >> given club environment... but what gordo describes is being flightily >> >> and >> >> timid.
>> > I didn't view what he wrote as being flighty and timid.
>> Well read his post again, he says it in the second paragraph in all caps.
> Ok, did us the word "flighty", which was probably a poor choice of > words, but the overall premise was pretty solid.
That premise being to build rapport and social influence within a social group.... this is nothing new.
That idea has been around as long as there have been social groups.
Gordo's contribution was to add a fear based rationalization for avoiding rejection by being timid and flighty.
> This segment > particularly rang true in my experience:
> "Each interaction becomes a building block where each chick (and her > supporting cast) gets to know you bit by bit, little by little, and > since > you aren't fucking up, your popularity will rise by attrition as all > the > other tryhards continue to fuck up and blow themselves out. "
> Again, I think this is specific to particular scenes and subcultures > that consider themselves closed societies (suspicious of newbies), and > would be silly to try if you weren't already in the club for some other > reason (like you're there because it's the only place in town that > plays Joy Division and she is too).
There's a big difference between gradually working your way into a closed social group, though building rapport and social influence... and what gordo recommended which was to be timid and flighty and to wait and hope that some woman will eventually approach you as a result because all the other guys are trying too hard.
> >> Here, Gordon, is the reason no one takes you seriously.
> >> You give advice like this? Do you not realize what total crap this is?
> > No really it's not. It's good advice for specialty music scene-type > > club nights like goth, emo, rave, fetish, etc. The type of places > > where generally the same crowd regularly shows up once a week. This is > > exactly how I've gotten laid regularly throughout the years (chick: > > "I've seen you around and wanted to meet you for a long time. How come > > you never talk to me?"), and guys who come in from outside and try > > aggressive PU stuff on the regulars get blown out.
> > I don't think it would work as well in meat market type environments > > where there's not a regular "scene".
> The nightclub scene tends to attract the same people over and over again.
> Thanks for the props, btw. Looks like their "everyone" that disagrees with > me is a few people short.
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>>> >> >> You give advice like this? Do you not realize what total crap >>> >> >> this is?
>>> >> > No really it's not. It's good advice for specialty music >>> >> > scene-type club nights like goth, emo, rave, fetish, etc. The >>> >> > type of places where generally the same crowd regularly shows >>> >> > up once a week. This is >>> >> > exactly how I've gotten laid regularly throughout the years >>> >> > (chick: "I've seen you around and wanted to meet you for a long >>> >> > time. How come >>> >> > you never talk to me?"), and guys who come in from outside and >>> >> > try aggressive PU stuff on the regulars get blown out.
>>> >> > I don't think it would work as well in meat market type >>> >> > environments where there's not a regular "scene".
>>> >> There's nothing wrong with building rapport and being somewhat >>> >> aloof in a >>> >> given club environment... but what gordo describes is being >>> >> flightily and >>> >> timid.
>>> > I didn't view what he wrote as being flighty and timid.
>>> Well read his post again, he says it in the second paragraph in all >>> caps.
>> Ok, did us the word "flighty", which was probably a poor choice of >> words, but the overall premise was pretty solid.
> That premise being to build rapport and social influence within a > social group.... this is nothing new.
> That idea has been around as long as there have been social groups.
> Gordo's contribution was to add a fear based rationalization for > avoiding rejection by being timid and flighty.
>> This segment >> particularly rang true in my experience:
>> "Each interaction becomes a building block where each chick (and her >> supporting cast) gets to know you bit by bit, little by little, and >> since >> you aren't fucking up, your popularity will rise by attrition as all >> the >> other tryhards continue to fuck up and blow themselves out. "
>> Again, I think this is specific to particular scenes and subcultures >> that consider themselves closed societies (suspicious of newbies), >> and would be silly to try if you weren't already in the club for some >> other reason (like you're there because it's the only place in town >> that plays Joy Division and she is too).
> There's a big difference between gradually working your way into a > closed social group, though building rapport and social influence... > and what gordo recommended which was to be timid and flighty and to > wait and hope that some woman will eventually approach you as a result > because all the other guys are trying too hard.
I know I've said this before but perhaps it bears repeating here.
Almost any approach to the opposite sex can work for someone at some time and some place. This does not mean that it's a good method - good being defined here as something that can benefit a reasonable number of people - just that it can work for someone somewhere sometime. This is why I usually refer to gordita's rather odd 'seduction methods' instead of calling them worthless. I can not picture them working for anyone and certainly not for me but perhaps 'for someone somewhere sometime'.
Now if I still went to clubs I could see me 'working the room' and then going back to firm up things that looked good but while the initial actions are quite similar to what gordita described the overall process is quite different.
-- Krustavus Teofilus Olfard
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