phone convo branching idea
Formhandle
thinking of taking all the various phone responses I've gotten from
flaky or semi-flaky chicks on the phone and turning it into an
HTML-based quick-answer system. It would be even better if we could all
pool together the canned crap that chicks sometimes pull over the phone
and offer up a branch of responses - sort of like the 5 most common
opening chess moves, the top 2 best responses to those moves, the 5
possible responses to those responses, etc. Maybe going 3 levels deep.
Then zip it up and let guys download it and we could update it
constantly. So whenever a RAFC has to call up a chick, he just opens
the start page in his web browser and clicks on whatever she says and
gets 2 good responses to it. Clicks on the response he chooses and then
he gets the list of possible responses to THAT.
Yeah, I know, it's only going to be useful about 60-70% of the time,
assuming a chick is on the verge of flaking, but that's better than
being unprepared and it's a way to pool together the experience of tons
of other guys into an efficient/useful resource.
There are 2 kinds of calls: 1) setting up a meeting and 2) calling after
a real flake-out
As an example, for 1) the intitial pre-flake categories can be sort of
like:
- "I forgot to tell you I have a BF."
- "My cat needs intestinal surgery. / My landlord turned off my heat."
- "I'm busy until June, 2005."
- "Who are you? What do you want? I'm not home!! Ahhhh!!"
- male voice picks up (possible BF)
- roomate/friend picks up - HB "not home"
- answering machine
the response-reply-response nesting can go as deep as we can manage...
and there should always be a default generic response to an unexpected
response. Sort of like "That's an interesting thing for you to say...
<pause and stay silent until she responds again>."
--
jay <formh...@aol.com>
Fast Seduction 101 - http://www.fastseduction.com/
Class is now in session...
Tunnces
bitches that
want to play games by flaking. I have had women tell me some of the most
ludicrous excuses about why they can't meet me. Things like: "My sister's
dog got ran over on the street this afternoon so I need to console her so we
are going to go to a movie and talk about it alone. You understand don't
you".
and
"I am sorry I didn't return your call but I was just going crazy for the
last couple of days running around getting drunk and partying. I don't know
what is wrong with me!"
and real bullshit like:
"Yeah, the reason I haven't been gone for the last couple of days is
because I went to spend the weekend with my friends from out of town and
then the guy that gave me a ride there, well his car broke down and we had
to get a hotel for a couple of days. But we got the car fixed so everything
is all good. How are you?"
Hehehehehee. The last one is really fucked. :-)
So to get the ball rolling here is chapter 16 from Ross' original book. All
credit to RJ. The following is all his material and the only reason I am
posting it here is because the entire book is freely available for
downloading on the internet already (that is where I got it). There are
some good ideas here:
THE FOLLOWING BY RJ:
Perhaps the most serious offense a chick can commit is to cancel a date.
I've heard all sorts of hilarious excuses, and nine times out of ten they
are just that.
But so what? With the proper amount of coercion and psychological pressure,
you can get her to go out with you anyway. Then you can use one of the
quick-lay/hypnosis tricks we'll show you so you can still wind up screwing
her. How dare she try to waste the time of a master of Guerilla Get Laid
tactics? As Batman would say, "Poor deluded girl!"
It's really quite simple. When she calls to cancel with her silly excuse,
you just do this:
HER: Oh, I'm sorry, but I can't make it tonight. I have to take my friend to
the airport (Or: "I'm just not feeling well," or whatever lie she tells
you).
YOU: So what you're saying is, you'd like to go, but due to a circumstance
you can't control and weren't expecting, you won't be able to?
HER: Yeah. That's right. (She's got to admit this - she can't come right out
and say she just isn't interested. That might take a little guts.)
YOU: (Closing in for the kill) Well, since you said you'd like to go, what
arrangements would you like to make to do that right now?
Then, you shut up. You have the silly chick. She's backed into a corner, and
will have to name a day, or else risk being revealed as the liar she truly
is.
Your other option is to blow the chick off, but make it as embarrassing and
uncomfortable for her as is humanly possible.
Here is a great way to make her feel absolutely awful:.
HER: Oh, I can't make our date because my parrot is having an existential
crisis and I want to see him through it.
YOU: Hmm. You know, I'm sitting here, with the phone in my hand, listening
to you speak, and I realize I still don't understand what's going on. And I
also realize I can accept hearing the full and complete truth from you. So,
why don't you tell me again what's going on.
It's very important that you say that last sentence with the right
inflection and tonality. You're implying a part of the sentence which isn't
actually said which is, "...and this time tell me the truth."
Believe it or else, but nine times out of ten, the chick actually will fess
up and admit her deception. That's when you pounce on her!
YOU: So, how does it feel to know that you're afraid to take responsibility
for your own decisions and have to resort to lying about them?
Oh, the joy of battle, my brothers! Flushing a chick down the toilet of
humiliation is almost as great a kick as scoring!
Now, once in a while, a chick will cancel, but when she does she'll make a
counter-offer to go out again another time. This at least is better than a
straight cancellation without such an offer, but I'd strongly advise against
accepting. She could be just throwing you a bone to make you feel better,
but even if she isn't, your accepting her offer of doing it another time
makes you look too easily available and removes the element of your being a
challenge to her. This will make you look much less appealing in her eyes.
Here's the right way to handle this. Let's say you have a date for Saturday,
and she calls you Friday evening.
HER: I'm sorry, but I really can't make it Saturday. I've got friends coming
in from out of town. But I really do want to see you. Can we go out Sunday
instead?
YOU: No, I have plans for Sunday (even if you don't and you are dying to be
with her - bite the bullet and refuse!).
At this point you have two options:
Option One
YOU: Why don't we try another time when your schedule is a little looser?
Then politely say goodbye, and hang-up. Wait 2 weeks, then call and ask her
out for a specific night. If she doesn't accept or make a specific
counter-offer, toss the number and move on.
Option Two
YOU: Well, I'll tell you, this is just the way it is for me. It's just the
way I do things. When I make a date, and someone cancels, I leave it up to
them to make the next date. So, if you want to go out, I'm interested. Call
me, and I'll say yes.
Personally, I prefer this option. It's not as down and dirty as the first
one, but it is effective nonetheless. By putting the ball back in her court,
you don't have to spend the two weeks before you call, wondering if she's
really interested (you shouldn't be wondering this, but it's hard to have
that kind of discipline, and I'm a sucker for situations that I can't quite
figure out). You can just safely assume she isn't interested, forget about
her, and leave it up to her to pleasantly surprise you. And you also
preserve the element of being a challenge, conveying the all important
message I DON'T NEED YOU,YOU NEED ME.
TheFairlyBigOne
wrote:
>This kind of stuff isn't really documented anywhere yet and I was
>thinking of taking all the various phone responses I've gotten from
>flaky or semi-flaky chicks on the phone and turning it into an
>HTML-based quick-answer system. It would be even better if we could all
>pool together the canned crap that chicks sometimes pull over the phone
>and offer up a branch of responses - sort of like the 5 most common
>opening chess moves, the top 2 best responses to those moves, the 5
>possible responses to those responses, etc. Maybe going 3 levels deep.
>Then zip it up and let guys download it and we could update it
>constantly. So whenever a RAFC has to call up a chick, he just opens
>the start page in his web browser and clicks on whatever she says and
>gets 2 good responses to it. Clicks on the response he chooses and then
>he gets the list of possible responses to THAT.
Ha ha yes that's a great idea.
I think the people who call you at home and try to sell you stuff also
have written guidelines that they follow while talking to you. So if
we're going to use "professional" methods, maybe we'll get
"professional" results ?
BTW a version for the Palm would be nice too !
DJ
chart. When someone comes up with an objection - most are covered-
they flip thru and find out which is the best response to the
objection. Jay, I think it is a great idea and resource and I would
love to contribute.
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 13:51:10 GMT, add...@below.me (TheFairlyBigOne)
wrote:
David H. Ellison
TheFairlyBigOne wrote:
<big snip>
> Ha ha yes that's a great idea.
> I think the people who call you at home and try to sell you stuff also
> have written guidelines that they follow while talking to you.
Having done phone work on and of for a few years, I can vouch for the above.
You always repeat, then bury the objection and move on.
"Well, I really need to sell organ parts tonight..."
"You need to sell organ parts tonight. (Not a question) More people should
sell organ parts AND wouldn't it be great if you could an organ donation for
yourself tonight... (and close) Now, is 7 a good time tonight, or 8 for that
organ donation?"
> So if
> we're going to use "professional" methods, maybe we'll get
> "professional" results ?
> BTW a version for the Palm would be nice too !
Which hand?
DJ
Yeah, my bosses husband used to have one of those flip charts - really
hilarious stuff
So, you say that your mother died last week,
FLIP FLIP FLIP
This seems to be the second time this year?! :)
David H. Ellison
DJ wrote:
> Yeah, my bosses husband used to have one of those flip charts - really
> hilarious stuff
We just had stuff tacked on the wall ;-(
> So, you say that your mother died last week,
> FLIP FLIP FLIP
> This seems to be the second time this year?! :)
I quit a security alarm company and never went back to phone sales, after I used
the "Jesus Close";
ME: "Blah, blah. blah... terrorists, invalid wife rapist, crack thieves....
unprotected, break into your house?"
Elderly Gentleman (on fixed income): "We trust in God, and believe he will take
care of us."
M: "It's nice to talk to someone who believes the same way I do, and.... (close)"
I thought that was a bit over the top, just to sell alarms.
Of course, I'd use it to get laid ;-)