OT: An open Letter to chocolatepeanut
Lori Koonce
Prehaps a different prespective on Ray is in order.
Several years ago I ran across Mister Parker on another Group,
alt.hypnosis. At the time I was unaware of his posting history, and
attemped to treat him with the kindness and compassion you are
advocating.
And for that effort I got called a Cunt, Whore and a woman without
morals.
Now, should I excuse that just because he's got a mental illness? Would
you accept it just because he's got a mental illness? We don't allow
children to talk like that, why should a grown man be able to get away
with it. We hold children accountable for their actions, why should
Ray be any different?
I've acutally read some of the things that Ray has posted as advice.
And if a newbie acutally took it, they could get either emotionally or
physically HURT. And I believe that it's my responsiblity as a member
of this group to see to it that Ray is kept accountable for his crap.
If nothing else it may stop that newbie from listening to him and save
them some serious trouble.
I think that only HC has the distinction of flaming Ray just for the
sake of flaming him. Everyone you've encountered here, has had many
dealings with Ray in a variety of groups and at a variety of different
times. I'm sure that if he showed any ability and willingness to change
we'd all be there to help and support him.
But, in the past 5 years I've never seen that from him. I too have a
mental illness, but it has not caused me to be the rude, crude person
he is. I have never gotten upset as people try to educate me, and have
often said I'm sorry when I've steped outside the bounds of polite
behaviour. For whatever reason, Ray will not and cannot do this.
So, untill he can get his condition under controll and start acting
like the rest of us, I've gotta support Alex and those like him.
But, if you can come up with a reasonable and workable solution, I'm
more than willing to listen to it.
Lori
chocola...@aol.com
Lori Koonce wrote:
> Peanut
Hello Lori..lovely to meet you. I don't remember seeing your name
before, but then I just skim when I look in.... sorry if my answers
seem a little short and cut-off, but I've had a long day at work and
it's nearly midnight here and I've only just bagged the computer!
> Prehaps a different prespective on Ray is in order.
You're not wrong there...:)
> Several years ago I ran across Mister Parker on another Group,
> alt.hypnosis. At the time I was unaware of his posting history, and
> attemped to treat him with the kindness and compassion you are
> advocating.
I'm not sure it is kindness and compassion with me...I'm an aquarian
and the unusal interests me and Ray is unusual...
> And for that effort I got called a Cunt, Whore and a woman without
> morals.
Oh yes, I've had all that over the years, but he stopped when he
realised that I didn't mean him any harm..
> Now, should I excuse that just because he's got a mental illness? Would
> you accept it just because he's got a mental illness?
Of course we shouldn't excuse it - it's very bad behaviour...but the
best way to treat bad behaviour is to ignore it and reward the good.
So I always used to tell him that he had a good sense of humour, which
he has...he can be very funny, well he's made me laugh a few times..
We don't allow
> children to talk like that, why should a grown man be able to get away
> with it.
See above - that's how I brought my son up and he's a wonderful human
being.
We hold children accountable for their actions, why should
> Ray be any different?
> I've acutally read some of the things that Ray has posted as advice.
> And if a newbie acutally took it, they could get either emotionally or
> physically HURT. And I believe that it's my responsiblity as a member
> of this group to see to it that Ray is kept accountable for his crap.
> If nothing else it may stop that newbie from listening to him and save
> them some serious trouble.
I'm not really talking about whether his advise is good or bad...anyone
on here who knows me will know that I come on here to see what men are
telling other men, and Ray is not the only poster to give bad advice.
If fact at lot of the things most of the say are directly contrary to
the way a woman would feel about the situation being discussed, but hey
this is essentially a mens' locker room, so I just let them get on with
it - I'm only listening really...
> I think that only HC has the distinction of flaming Ray just for the
> sake of flaming him.
No nearly everyone flames him...but then I got flamed a lot when I
first posted on Usenet. But again it's not the flaming that is the
problem, because that's all part of the game called Usenet and
personally I love it! :) No it's the nature of the flaming - the way
posts from 10 years ago get posted and person insults about his family
and his illness and the relentless way they do it, day in day out...it
seems more like bullying than flaming...
Everyone you've encountered here, has had many
> dealings with Ray in a variety of groups and at a variety of different
> times. I'm sure that if he showed any ability and willingness to change
> we'd all be there to help and support him.
But none to the other posters are willing to change..KTO has been
particularly nasty to him over the years and it does not look like he
is going to give up..
> But, in the past 5 years I've never seen that from him. I too have a
> mental illness, but it has not caused me to be the rude, crude person
> he is. I have never gotten upset as people try to educate me, and have
> often said I'm sorry when I've steped outside the bounds of polite
> behaviour. For whatever reason, Ray will not and cannot do this.
Maybe he doesn't want to....hehe..sorry, I've just heard someone on TV
say "shut the fuck up"...it still has the ability to make me laugh, as
we don't hear that in the England....:)
> So, untill he can get his condition under controll and start acting
> like the rest of us,
Well, that's never going to happen is it? Ray is ...well he's Ray....
I've gotta support Alex and those like him.
I think Alex is Ray...
> But, if you can come up with a reasonable and workable solution, I'm
> more than willing to listen to it.
Yes, ignore the bad behaviour and reward the good, but you have to be
consistent, it's no use doing it for 10 days and then telling him what
a herpes ridden arsehole he is...
Peanut
Alex
chocola...@aol.com at chocola...@aol.com wrote on 1/8/07 6:50 PM:
> I think Alex is Ray...
That certainly tells us all we need to know about you.
Krus T. Olfard
news:C1C84672.EF277%akau...@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com:
I started to make a big response to her post but instead decided to just
agree that I can be an asshole. Will I apologize for being an asshole?
No. Since being an asshole is not a normal part of my personality in
general that means that when I'm being an asshole I'm doing it quite
voluntarily.
And if she thinks that calling someone on his lies and bullshit is being
an asshole then of course I'm being an asshole... in her opinion... and
since she thinks Alex is gordy loser then we know what her opinion is
actually worth to the real world.
--
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------------------
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Nomen Nescio
>
> chocolatepeanut wrote:
>>
>> I think Alex is Ray...
>
> That certainly tells us all we need to know about you.
Ask her if she remembers Jack Ryan, and then tell her about
the harrassment of his widow that came from Ray. Be sure to
let her know that right around the time of Dr. Ryan's funeral,
Ray was contacting funeral homes and newspapers in the area,
trying to get information on the deceased, so he could use it
to harass his widow. Be sure to remind her that Ray on more
than one occasion sent threatening emails to Mrs. Ryan (we have
copies in our posession, he had better hope he never gets us
into a courtroom) and has consistently tried to maintain
alternately that they "threatened" him, or they "never existed"
Ask her why she'd want to defend someone who would do that
sort of thing, and then remind her that if she is defending
someone for their willfully committed actions, she is condoning
and even approving those actions.
Ask her if that is something she wants to be associated with.
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chocola...@aol.com
Krus T. Olfard wrote:
> I started to make a big response to her post but instead decided to just
> agree that I can be an asshole. Will I apologize for being an asshole?
> No. Since being an asshole is not a normal part of my personality in
> general that means that when I'm being an asshole I'm doing it quite
> voluntarily.
Well it could be that Ray is doing the same thing...
> And if she thinks that calling someone on his lies and bullshit is being
> an asshole then of course I'm being an asshole... in her opinion...
Calling someone on their lies and bullshit is fine, but there is a
limit to how much one should go on about it without it becoming an
issue that it more to do with the bullshitee than the bullshiter...
> and since she thinks Alex is gordy loser then we know what her opinion is
> actually worth to the real world.
...but, can you honestly say for sure that Alex is not Gordy?
Peanut
chocola...@aol.com
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Ask her if she remembers Jack Ryan, and then tell her about
> the harrassment of his widow that came from Ray.
Yes, I remember 'Jack Ryan'...AKA 'Vince Runza'...AKA many
others......hehehe...it was all a lot of fun back then..
Of course you don't expect me to believe that he was real do you??
Would a 'real' doctor..a 'real married doctor' post under his 'real'
name of Dr Jack Ryan on Alt.seduction.fast! Ha! Oh, how I laughed at
that! :) Jack with the "I have expensive silverware in my house"
conversations on Usenet! Believe me Jack was not real....
> Be sure to let her know that right around the time of Dr. Ryan's funeral,
> Ray was contacting funeral homes and newspapers in the area,
> trying to get information on the deceased, so he could use it
> to harass his widow.
He was probably trying to find out if Jack was real or not...
Be sure to remind her that Ray on more
> than one occasion sent threatening emails to Mrs. Ryan (we have
> copies in our posession, he had better hope he never gets us
> into a courtroom) and has consistently tried to maintain
> alternately that they "threatened" him, or they "never existed"
Only got copies of emails to someone who did not exist??...umm..
> Ask her why she'd want to defend someone who would do that
> sort of thing, and then remind her that if she is defending
> someone for their willfully committed actions, she is condoning
> and even approving those actions.
Sorry, what did he do again?...I must have missed it...
> Ask her if that is something she wants to be associated with.
Associated with what? Oh, yes the emails to a non-existent person...
Peanut
HeeroYuy
<chocola...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1168393049.6...@i56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
My, oh my does this sound like familiar rhetoric.
Alex
chocola...@aol.com at chocola...@aol.com wrote on 1/9/07 8:07 PM:
>> and since she thinks Alex is gordy loser then we know what her opinion is
>> actually worth to the real world.
>
> ...but, can you honestly say for sure that Alex is not Gordy?
I can.
Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"
"He" ("Jack Ryan") most definitely was not, nor was his "widow."
The anonymous freak to whom you are responding actually manufactured a fake
e-mail that it claimed it received from the "widow."
--
Ray Gordon, Author
The OFFICIAL Ray Gordon Blog:
http://moderncaveman.typepad.com
speeding
@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> Lori Koonce wrote:
>> Peanut
>
> Hello Lori..lovely to meet you. I don't remember seeing your name
> before, but then I just skim when I look in.... sorry if my answers
> seem a little short and cut-off, but I've had a long day at work and
> it's nearly midnight here and I've only just bagged the computer!
>
>> Prehaps a different prespective on Ray is in order.
>
> You're not wrong there...:)
>
>> Several years ago I ran across Mister Parker on another Group,
>> alt.hypnosis. At the time I was unaware of his posting history, and
>> attemped to treat him with the kindness and compassion you are
>> advocating.
>
> I'm not sure it is kindness and compassion with me...I'm an aquarian
> and the unusal interests me and Ray is unusual...
Unusual. That's a... unusual.. description for Ray. ;D
>> And for that effort I got called a Cunt, Whore and a woman without
>> morals.
>
> Oh yes, I've had all that over the years, but he stopped when he
> realised that I didn't mean him any harm..
It's a first, then. Are you sure he's stopped? Perhaps he got bored or
just stopped temporarily. Do not be surprised if you pop back up on his
radar.
>> Now, should I excuse that just because he's got a mental illness?
Would
>> you accept it just because he's got a mental illness?
>
> Of course we shouldn't excuse it - it's very bad behaviour...but the
> best way to treat bad behaviour is to ignore it and reward the good.
> So I always used to tell him that he had a good sense of humour, which
> he has...he can be very funny, well he's made me laugh a few times..
Now this... this I agree with. For a group that is supposed to understand
AMOGing, among other concepts, I often wonder why those tactics "don't"
work with Ray. They should. They could. But they aren't being used. Isn't
that... well... unusual?
> We don't allow
>> children to talk like that, why should a grown man be able to get away
>> with it.
>
> See above - that's how I brought my son up and he's a wonderful human
> being.
>
> We hold children accountable for their actions, why should
>> Ray be any different?
>
>> I've acutally read some of the things that Ray has posted as advice.
>> And if a newbie acutally took it, they could get either emotionally or
>> physically HURT. And I believe that it's my responsiblity as a member
>> of this group to see to it that Ray is kept accountable for his crap.
>> If nothing else it may stop that newbie from listening to him and save
>> them some serious trouble.
>
> I'm not really talking about whether his advise is good or bad...anyone
> on here who knows me will know that I come on here to see what men are
> telling other men, and Ray is not the only poster to give bad advice.
> If fact at lot of the things most of the say are directly contrary to
> the way a woman would feel about the situation being discussed, but hey
> this is essentially a mens' locker room, so I just let them get on with
> it - I'm only listening really...
As a woman, no offense... but you don't understand how women think. Not
that men do either. But, the whole concept of PUA are that they
understand how a woman FEELS and that there are methods that allow a man
to help steer a woman's feelings towards attraction and lust.
You said the concepts are contrary to what a woman would FEEL... but you
meant, I believe, that they are contrary to what a woman would think.
But, even while thinking these concepts wouldn't work... you'd be feeling
them. You'd be feeling attraction and lust and not believe for a moment
that it is because the PUA methods are working. But, they do work. It
might not make common sense. But there is very little about the female
mind that does. ;P
>> I think that only HC has the distinction of flaming Ray just for the
>> sake of flaming him.
>
> No nearly everyone flames him...but then I got flamed a lot when I
> first posted on Usenet. But again it's not the flaming that is the
> problem, because that's all part of the game called Usenet and
> personally I love it! :) No it's the nature of the flaming - the way
> posts from 10 years ago get posted and person insults about his family
> and his illness and the relentless way they do it, day in day out...it
> seems more like bullying than flaming...
A pack of hyenas, I believe I referred to it. But no... it'd be hard to
say "nearly everyone". Take a count. You'll see about 10 names come up
over and over and over again. Those are the same people that will swaer
to you that ignoring Ray "doesn't work". Those are the same people, that
generally, don't reply to a newcomer unless it's to flame Ray. But I
wouldn't say that's "nearly everyone".
> Everyone you've encountered here, has had many
>> dealings with Ray in a variety of groups and at a variety of
different
>> times. I'm sure that if he showed any ability and willingness to
change
>> we'd all be there to help and support him.
>
> But none to the other posters are willing to change..KTO has been
> particularly nasty to him over the years and it does not look like he
> is going to give up..
As I said in another post... the real question you could consider asking
is... IF Ray really has done things offline to personally injure a
poster... such as calling an employer trying to get the poster fired...
Why hasn't that poster done anything other than bitch on Usenet about it?
And if you think KTO's been nasty... you really should read more posts.
KTO (no offense, dude) is pretty lame compared to some of Ray's fans.
Some of them claim they only come to ASF to flame him and have no other
reason to come to ASF other than that.
>> But, in the past 5 years I've never seen that from him. I too have a
>> mental illness, but it has not caused me to be the rude, crude person
>> he is. I have never gotten upset as people try to educate me, and
have
>> often said I'm sorry when I've steped outside the bounds of polite
>> behaviour. For whatever reason, Ray will not and cannot do this.
>
> Maybe he doesn't want to....hehe..sorry, I've just heard someone on TV
> say "shut the fuck up"...it still has the ability to make me laugh, as
> we don't hear that in the England....:)
I'd say, myself, the telling thing is that, assuming Ray is being nasty
while under the influence of bi-polar disorder... is that he does not
apologize or retract his statements in ANY way. Now, I can't really grasp
the mindset for this... but if he was really under the effects of his
mental condition... wouldn't you expect him to at least show some
remorse... or at least some regret... for his postings?
For example... calling a woman a whore and a cunt... if that was a
symptom of his mental illness... wouldn't he at least say something about
not thinking that normally? I find it hard to say his behavior is
strickly due to his illness. But, I also find it hard to take his
behavior seriously, either, for the same reason. And that leads back to
what I say is the real question to consider... IF his behavior was to
intrude on someone's personal life... wouldn't you expect them to do
something more than bitch on Usenet about it?
>> So, untill he can get his condition under controll and start acting
>> like the rest of us,
>
> Well, that's never going to happen is it? Ray is ...well he's Ray....
And some people take great pleasure and enjoyment out of telling him
this. Sort of like I used to take great pleasure in poking fire ant
mounds with a stick... just to piss off the ants. (Yes, I was attacked
severely by fire ants when I was young)
The difference is... I don't care about fire ants now. I grew up.
> I've gotta support Alex and those like him.
>
> I think Alex is Ray...
He's just a lot like him. Perhaps it's an envy thing. HC is Ray.
>> But, if you can come up with a reasonable and workable solution, I'm
>> more than willing to listen to it.
>
> Yes, ignore the bad behaviour and reward the good, but you have to be
> consistent, it's no use doing it for 10 days and then telling him what
> a herpes ridden arsehole he is...
Well... consider this "solution" and you tell me what you think of it...
create a commerical website forum. Tell people that if they want to avoid
Ray, they can go to the commerical website. Tell people that if they
suggest anything other than going to this commerical site, they should
shut the fuck up. Does that sound like a solution to you?
After you answer... I'll give you the next component to consider as to
why the Gordon Flame War rages on eternally.
> Peanut
--
You could be a Cylon and not even know it...
speeding
news:1168393049.6...@i56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
And Peanut... while you're asking yourself these questions... which you
answered, I think... ask one more...
"we have copies in our posession, he had better hope he never gets us
into a courtroom"
ask... Why DIDN'T this "Mrs. Ryan" **GET** Ray into a courtroom? What was
she waiting for? What is "we" waiting for, if "we" claims to have the
goods to get Ray into court? Why is it that "we" claims to have so much
evidence, but isn't willing to use it?
Odious
"speeding" <no...@biz.org> wrote in message
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Pretty simple really... if they filed a case against gordo in their homes
state, it would be tossed for jurisdictional issues. They'd have to travel
to gordo's state and sue him there. And since they were on the prosecution
side, they'd have little chance of recovering those costs.
Whereas if they wait for gordo to sue them, and respond with their info from
a defensive position they'll win, cross claim, and win that too.
Though I expect you'll just repeat yourself again and act as if I never
answered your question.
Odious
Because this is not a pick up venue, and because gordo is mentally ill.
The rules of standard social interaction that apply to most situations, tend
not to apply to the mentally ill folks who do not function as normal social
beings do.
dracozna
Thanks. That explains some things.
chocola...@aol.com
speeding wrote:
> >> And for that effort I got called a Cunt, Whore and a woman without
> >> morals.
> >
> > Oh yes, I've had all that over the years, but he stopped when he
> > realised that I didn't mean him any harm..
>
> It's a first, then. Are you sure he's stopped? Perhaps he got bored or
> just stopped temporarily. Do not be surprised if you pop back up on his
> radar.
Yes, it's been years now...he's just a sweety really...:)
> > So I always used to tell him that he had a good sense of humour, which
> > he has...he can be very funny, well he's made me laugh a few times..
> Now this... this I agree with. For a group that is supposed to understand
> AMOGing, among other concepts, I often wonder why those tactics "don't"
> work with Ray. They should. They could. But they aren't being used. Isn't
> that... well... unusual?
I've forgotten what AMOGing is..or maybe I never knew...
> > I'm not really talking about whether his advise is good or bad...anyone
> > on here who knows me will know that I come on here to see what men are
> > telling other men, and Ray is not the only poster to give bad advice.
> > If fact at lot of the things most of the say are directly contrary to
> > the way a woman would feel about the situation being discussed, but hey
> > this is essentially a mens' locker room, so I just let them get on with
> > it - I'm only listening really...
>
> As a woman, no offense... but you don't understand how women think. Not
> that men do either. But, the whole concept of PUA are that they
> understand how a woman FEELS and that there are methods that allow a man
> to help steer a woman's feelings towards attraction and lust.
Oh I know that...
> You said the concepts are contrary to what a woman would FEEL... but you
> meant, I believe, that they are contrary to what a woman would think.
Actually, I can't remember what I was babbling on about there...
> But, even while thinking these concepts wouldn't work... you'd be feeling
> them. You'd be feeling attraction and lust and not believe for a moment
> that it is because the PUA methods are working. But, they do work. It
> might not make common sense. But there is very little about the female
> mind that does. ;P
I 'know' they work...I have them done to me regularly!
> A pack of hyenas, I believe I referred to it. But no... it'd be hard to
> say "nearly everyone". Take a count. You'll see about 10 names come up
> over and over and over again. Those are the same people that will swaer
> to you that ignoring Ray "doesn't work". Those are the same people, that
> generally, don't reply to a newcomer unless it's to flame Ray. But I
> wouldn't say that's "nearly everyone".
Picky tonight aren't we? :)
> As I said in another post... the real question you could consider asking
> is... IF Ray really has done things offline to personally injure a
> poster... such as calling an employer trying to get the poster fired...
> Why hasn't that poster done anything other than bitch on Usenet about it?
Yes, nobody has ever taken it one step further and they know his
details..
> And if you think KTO's been nasty... you really should read more posts.
> KTO (no offense, dude) is pretty lame compared to some of Ray's fans.
> Some of them claim they only come to ASF to flame him and have no other
> reason to come to ASF other than that.
I might have got KTO mixed up with someone similar...KTS??
> I'd say, myself, the telling thing is that, assuming Ray is being nasty
> while under the influence of bi-polar disorder...
Under the influence..:)
is that he does not
> apologize or retract his statements in ANY way. Now, I can't really grasp
> the mindset for this... but if he was really under the effects of his
> mental condition... wouldn't you expect him to at least show some
> remorse... or at least some regret... for his postings?
Well, I've said this before, he is a drama queen...
> For example... calling a woman a whore and a cunt... if that was a
> symptom of his mental illness... wouldn't he at least say something about
> not thinking that normally? I find it hard to say his behavior is
> strickly due to his illness. But, I also find it hard to take his
> behavior seriously, either, for the same reason. And that leads back to
> what I say is the real question to consider... IF his behavior was to
> intrude on someone's personal life... wouldn't you expect them to do
> something more than bitch on Usenet about it?
Yes, very much so..
> >> So, untill he can get his condition under controll and start acting
> >> like the rest of us,
> >
> > Well, that's never going to happen is it? Ray is ...well he's Ray....
>
> And some people take great pleasure and enjoyment out of telling him
> this. Sort of like I used to take great pleasure in poking fire ant
> mounds with a stick... just to piss off the ants. (Yes, I was attacked
> severely by fire ants when I was young)
Aww..
> The difference is... I don't care about fire ants now. I grew up.
I would...I'd hate the little bastards...
> > I've gotta support Alex and those like him.
> >
> > I think Alex is Ray...
>
> He's just a lot like him. Perhaps it's an envy thing. HC is Ray.
Okay..
> Well... consider this "solution" and you tell me what you think of it...
> create a commerical website forum. Tell people that if they want to avoid
> Ray, they can go to the commerical website. Tell people that if they
> suggest anything other than going to this commerical site, they should
> shut the fuck up. Does that sound like a solution to you?
No...I have got a life to lead! :)
> After you answer... I'll give you the next component to consider as to
> why the Gordon Flame War rages on eternally.
Can't wait..must go my dinner is ready...:)
Peanut
Nomen Nescio
>
> The Editorial Staff wrote:
>
>> Ask her if she remembers Jack Ryan, and then tell
>> her about the harrassment of his widow that came
>> from Ray.
>
> Yes, I remember 'Jack Ryan'...AKA 'Vince Runza'...AKA
> many others......hehehe...it was all a lot of fun back
> then..
>
> Of course you don't expect me to believe that he was
> real do you?? Would a 'real' doctor..a 'real married
> doctor' post under his 'real' name of Dr Jack Ryan on
> Alt.seduction.fast! Ha! Oh, how I laughed at that! :)
> Jack with the "I have expensive silverware in my house"
> conversations on Usenet! Believe me Jack was not real....
So you're saying that the Dr. John Ryan that one of the
members of the Editorial Staff actually met in person,
was not real, and that the member of the Editorial Staff
was hallucinating? Is that what you're claiming?
You're also saying that Vince Runza and Jack Ryan were
the same person? How is that possible?
You're also saying that when John C. Ryan started posting,
he was then pursuing his PhD, and that the records we have
seen were somehow faked by the University? Do we have that
right?
You really take the cake. We thought GRPie changed his
story to suit his agenda a lot, but you are certainly
doing exactly that, and much faster than Gordo ever did.
We suppose that makes you Rico Raytardo, then. By your
reasoning it does.
You're a lot more gullible, with a much more selective
memory than we had previously thought.
We also notice that you do not address our statement that
if you defend the person who did what Gordie did, that you
are condoning those actions.
Thanks. You're as bad as he is, and therefore as worthy
of attack and derision as he is.
---
Nomen Nescio
>> courtroom? What was she waiting for? What is "we" waiting
>> for, if "we" claims to have the goods to get Ray into
>> court? Why is it that "we" claims to have so much evidence,
>> but isn't willing to use it?
>
Sorry, Odious. We have shit-for-brains killfiled, even though
our ignoring him clearly hasn't made him go away... Guess that
disproves his theory, even though he will claim he never said
that.
Speeding, why don't you ask Mrs. Ryan why she didn't "get"
Ray? We are fairly sure that her email address is somewhere
in the Google Archive. Go do your own fucking homework and go
look it up.
Then again, don't be surprised if you don't like the answer
she may give you. You have demonstrated the inability to
acknowledge things that do not suit your agenda. You ignore
facts, and keep changing the questions you ask when you don't
want to accept the answers.
Thom E. Geiger
\"pivot\"" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote:
>The anonymous freak to whom you are responding actually manufactured a fake
>e-mail that it claimed it received from the "widow."
You one to talk, asshole. Got that proof ready you've ever used your
own "product" successfully at least once in your miserable life? Take
note, readers, as usual, he can't answer it truthfully.
Thom E. Geiger, Domain Name Owner
ChewOnThis.Org
(the Official GRP NewsLoon tracking website)
Ray-Gordon.com
Ray-Gordon.net
Newsloon.com
Don't buy anything from any business trying to use SLAPP lawsuits to
stop criticism of the company, owners, officers or products.
Guido Gump Parker blames a baseball bat death threat on his own mother, Penny "Skull Crusher" Parker:
>The "baseball bat" remark was made by my mom in response to a gymnastics
>groupie who harassed half of the national team, with help from several chat
>hosts and gymnastics coaches and hackers.
chocola...@aol.com
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > "speeding" <no...@biz.org> wrote in message
> >>
> >> ask... Why DIDN'T this "Mrs. Ryan" **GET** Ray into a
> >> courtroom? What was she waiting for? What is "we" waiting
> >> for, if "we" claims to have the goods to get Ray into
> >> court? Why is it that "we" claims to have so much evidence,
> >> but isn't willing to use it?
> >
>
> Sorry, Odious. We have shit-for-brains killfiled, even though
> our ignoring him clearly hasn't made him go away... Guess that
> disproves his theory, even though he will claim he never said
> that.
>
> Speeding, why don't you ask Mrs. Ryan why she didn't "get"
> Ray? We are fairly sure that her email address is somewhere
> in the Google Archive. Go do your own fucking homework and go
> look it up.
>
> Then again, don't be surprised if you don't like the answer
> she may give you. You have demonstrated the inability to
> acknowledge things that do not suit your agenda. You ignore
> facts, and keep changing the questions you ask when you don't
> want to accept the answers.
You've got me all confused now NN...why are you asking Speeding to
email a 'dead woman'?? You did say she was dead didn't you? :)
Peanut
DarkKobold
> You've got me all confused now NN...why are you asking Speeding to
> email a 'dead woman'?? You did say she was dead didn't you? :)
>
> Peanut
Wow, is lacking reading comprehension a prerequiste for posting here?
Did I miss taking the anti-reading comprehension test?
They are talking about Dr. Ryan's widow, i.e. the surviving martial
partner. The widow is the one who survives. Basic.... english.....
skills.....
Reminds me of the old brain bender. A plane crashes on the U.S./Mexican
border. Where do they bury the survivors?
speeding
news:c4ad505119192c69...@dizum.com:
>> "speeding" <no...@biz.org> wrote in message
>>>
>>> ask... Why DIDN'T this "Mrs. Ryan" **GET** Ray into a
>>> courtroom? What was she waiting for? What is "we" waiting
>>> for, if "we" claims to have the goods to get Ray into
>>> court? Why is it that "we" claims to have so much evidence,
>>> but isn't willing to use it?
>>
>
> Sorry, Odious. We have shit-for-brains killfiled, even though
> our ignoring him clearly hasn't made him go away... Guess that
> disproves his theory, even though he will claim he never said
> that.
"We" are ignoring Odious, so "we" don't see anything he says. Now,
obviously, shit-for brains (and I guess it must be brains, not brain,
since you, unlike me, consider yourself to be a "we") you are not being
very successful in ignoring me if you can read something I've posted. So,
your "killfile" bullshit is just that.
> Speeding, why don't you ask Mrs. Ryan why she didn't "get"
> Ray? We are fairly sure that her email address is somewhere
> in the Google Archive. Go do your own fucking homework and go
> look it up.
Because I would have no way of knowing if it is a bogus address. Why
don't I ask instead to see a copy of the outcome of the court case?
Because there was no court case. There's nothing on file about a Mrs.
Ryan ever suing Ray or Gordon or such in court. Of course, Ray claims she
doesn't even exist. Can you prove otherwise? Didn't think so.
> Then again, don't be surprised if you don't like the answer
> she may give you. You have demonstrated the inability to
> acknowledge things that do not suit your agenda. You ignore
> facts, and keep changing the questions you ask when you don't
> want to accept the answers.
Is "she" some aspect of your "we" persona? You are the one (or ones?)
that ignores facts... or doesn't have them at all. You are the one (s)
with an agenda. Just you do you work for? Which you(s), that is? You are
the one(s) that don't answer questions. It's not a matter of not liking
the answer... it's a matter of the "answers" being bullshit with no
evidence, facts, or proof.
Yes, I understand it pisses you(s) off that I don't accept your almight
rule and word as the law of Usenet. Too bad. I only accept facts and
evidence. And you have none of either.
--
speeding
@i56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
Now now, Peanut... don't confuse him/her/it/we/them with minor details
like facts. Instead, ask him/her/it/we/them to put up or shut up by just
posting the court transcripts. If there are any. Or to post the court
ruling. If there was one. Or even to put up something that Mrs. Ryan did
in the real world as a reply. If she existed in the real world.
But trying to use logic and reasoning on him/her/it/we/them... well
that's just plain unfair. After all him/her/it/we/them are the Editoral
Staff and he/her/it/they are the voice of the Maker of ASF... the
appointed giver of law and rule for ASF. Him/Her/It/We/Them expects you
to blindly accept his/her/it/their rule of ASF as a given. So
he/her/it/we/them do not require logic or reasoning, only your blind
obedience to his/her/its/their law. (Perhaps that's why ES considers
itself to be a multiple personality... it's a common deity theme)
Too bad for him/her/it/we/them that I want facts and evidence before I
offer up my faith in their "Word".
speeding
news:1168455647....@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
>
> speeding wrote:
>> >> And for that effort I got called a Cunt, Whore and a woman without
>> >> morals.
>> >
>> > Oh yes, I've had all that over the years, but he stopped when he
>> > realised that I didn't mean him any harm..
>>
>> It's a first, then. Are you sure he's stopped? Perhaps he got bored
>> or just stopped temporarily. Do not be surprised if you pop back up
>> on his radar.
>
> Yes, it's been years now...he's just a sweety really...:)
Well, I guess I have to admit, he's not really said much to me, either,
lately. Can't say I miss it much. Then again, unlike the goobs of ASF, I
am not cowering in fear of the next lawsuit.
>> > So I always used to tell him that he had a good sense of humour,
>> > which he has...he can be very funny, well he's made me laugh a few
>> > times..
>
>> Now this... this I agree with. For a group that is supposed to
>> understand AMOGing, among other concepts, I often wonder why those
>> tactics "don't" work with Ray. They should. They could. But they
>> aren't being used. Isn't that... well... unusual?
>
> I've forgotten what AMOGing is..or maybe I never knew...
Another Male Other Guy... they are the tactics used when there's another
guy that's blocking a guy from his gal. Or, it could just as easily by
AFOG for female... when it's a woman blocking out you from the guy you
are wanting to game on. The idea is to use various methods to blow the
guy out of the way without being confrontational, since women are turned
off by displays of male aggression. For a group of supposed PUAs... you'd
expect them to be good at that sort of thing, wouldn't you?
>> > I'm not really talking about whether his advise is good or
>> > bad...anyone on here who knows me will know that I come on here to
>> > see what men are telling other men, and Ray is not the only poster
>> > to give bad advice. If fact at lot of the things most of the say
>> > are directly contrary to the way a woman would feel about the
>> > situation being discussed, but hey this is essentially a mens'
>> > locker room, so I just let them get on with it - I'm only listening
>> > really...
>>
>> As a woman, no offense... but you don't understand how women think.
>> Not that men do either. But, the whole concept of PUA are that they
>> understand how a woman FEELS and that there are methods that allow a
>> man to help steer a woman's feelings towards attraction and lust.
>
> Oh I know that...
>
>> You said the concepts are contrary to what a woman would FEEL... but
>> you meant, I believe, that they are contrary to what a woman would
>> think.
>
> Actually, I can't remember what I was babbling on about there...
That's okay. Your a lady. I expect and even welcome a bit of babbling.
I'm even guessing your a blond. :P
>> But, even while thinking these concepts wouldn't work... you'd be
>> feeling them. You'd be feeling attraction and lust and not believe
>> for a moment that it is because the PUA methods are working. But,
>> they do work. It might not make common sense. But there is very
>> little about the female mind that does. ;P
>
> I 'know' they work...I have them done to me regularly!
>
>> A pack of hyenas, I believe I referred to it. But no... it'd be hard
>> to say "nearly everyone". Take a count. You'll see about 10 names
>> come up over and over and over again. Those are the same people that
>> will swaer to you that ignoring Ray "doesn't work". Those are the
>> same people, that generally, don't reply to a newcomer unless it's to
>> flame Ray. But I wouldn't say that's "nearly everyone".
>
> Picky tonight aren't we? :)
A bit. I just like to keep facts straight and narrow. And when you deal
with some of these folks, you'll find facts, evidence or anything that
does not fit with a blind obedience to their given word to be rather
lacking. It won't take long for you to figure out there are really only a
feew folks that are seriously follwing Ray. And that these are the same
folks that want to claim ownership and lordship of ASF. And that they
want to claim that Ray has destroyed it, so you should move off ASF.
>> As I said in another post... the real question you could consider
>> asking is... IF Ray really has done things offline to personally
>> injure a poster... such as calling an employer trying to get the
>> poster fired... Why hasn't that poster done anything other than bitch
>> on Usenet about it?
>
> Yes, nobody has ever taken it one step further and they know his
> details..
Gee, are you saying your suscpious of this supposed evidence they claim
to have but refuse to show? Are you not accepting their word as law? :D
>> And if you think KTO's been nasty... you really should read more
>> posts. KTO (no offense, dude) is pretty lame compared to some of
>> Ray's fans. Some of them claim they only come to ASF to flame him and
>> have no other reason to come to ASF other than that.
>
> I might have got KTO mixed up with someone similar...KTS??
Maybe. All I can say is tha KTO at least has been civil on rare occasion
with Ray and one very rare occasion, even is logical about it.
>> I'd say, myself, the telling thing is that, assuming Ray is being
>> nasty while under the influence of bi-polar disorder...
>
> Under the influence..:)
>
> is that he does not
>> apologize or retract his statements in ANY way. Now, I can't really
>> grasp the mindset for this... but if he was really under the effects
>> of his mental condition... wouldn't you expect him to at least show
>> some remorse... or at least some regret... for his postings?
>
> Well, I've said this before, he is a drama queen...
Fits with his use of "Hellen" tapes, I guess. :D
>> For example... calling a woman a whore and a cunt... if that was a
>> symptom of his mental illness... wouldn't he at least say something
>> about not thinking that normally? I find it hard to say his behavior
>> is strickly due to his illness. But, I also find it hard to take his
>> behavior seriously, either, for the same reason. And that leads back
>> to what I say is the real question to consider... IF his behavior was
>> to intrude on someone's personal life... wouldn't you expect them to
>> do something more than bitch on Usenet about it?
>
> Yes, very much so..
But gee, that means you aren't accepting their rule and word as the law
of ASF. You're asking for evidence and facts. Keep doing that and anarchy
will reign. Pretty soon, their bullshit religion will be falling down
around them. Boo hoo... :D
>> >> So, untill he can get his condition under controll and start
>> >> acting like the rest of us,
>> >
>> > Well, that's never going to happen is it? Ray is ...well he's
>> > Ray....
>>
>> And some people take great pleasure and enjoyment out of telling him
>> this. Sort of like I used to take great pleasure in poking fire ant
>> mounds with a stick... just to piss off the ants. (Yes, I was
>> attacked severely by fire ants when I was young)
>
> Aww..
>
>> The difference is... I don't care about fire ants now. I grew up.
>
> I would...I'd hate the little bastards...
I'm not fond of them. But, I don't bother with somethig so small and
insignifigant unless I have to. Why poke at ant mounds? I'm sure I can
think of more fun things to do with my free time.
>> > I've gotta support Alex and those like him.
>> >
>> > I think Alex is Ray...
>>
>> He's just a lot like him. Perhaps it's an envy thing. HC is Ray.
>
> Okay..
>
>> Well... consider this "solution" and you tell me what you think of
>> it... create a commerical website forum. Tell people that if they
>> want to avoid Ray, they can go to the commerical website. Tell people
>> that if they suggest anything other than going to this commerical
>> site, they should shut the fuck up. Does that sound like a solution
>> to you?
>
> No...I have got a life to lead! :)
Well... perhaps that is their life? Consider this... what if you were
making money from that website? Then, might you have some motivation for
telling noobs that ASF is destroyed and that this one forum is the only
place they can go for excape from the Flame War? And would you want some
other asshole pointing out that you are the one fanning the flames of the
war? Or would you want the asshole to shut up and accept your word as the
rule and law of ASF... and to go to your commerical money-making website?
Gee... if you did suspect that... that might explain why some of these
folks have a motivation in taunting, teasing, and pushing on Ray's
buttons. And since Ray is mentally challenged, he can't figure out that
he's being played as the fool.
>> After you answer... I'll give you the next component to consider as
>> to why the Gordon Flame War rages on eternally.
>
> Can't wait..must go my dinner is ready...:)
Ditto, time to get ready for work.
Fast Franky
news:1168391252.4...@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
>
> Krus T. Olfard wrote:
>> I started to make a big response to her post but instead decided to
>> just agree that I can be an asshole. Will I apologize for being an
>> asshole? No. Since being an asshole is not a normal part of my
>> personality in general that means that when I'm being an asshole I'm
>> doing it quite voluntarily.
>
> Well it could be that Ray is doing the same thing...
And if he is then he deserves more than I am doing to him since I started
out defending him when I first got here, right up until he started the
first undeserved flames and bullshit posts.
Many more people than me started out defending him. All of them with the
exception of you now realize what he is and treat him in the way he so
desperately craves.
>> And if she thinks that calling someone on his lies and bullshit is
>> being an asshole then of course I'm being an asshole... in her
>> opinion...
>
> Calling someone on their lies and bullshit is fine, but there is a
> limit to how much one should go on about it without it becoming an
> issue that it more to do with the bullshitee than the bullshiter...
There is NOT any limit except in your mind.
>> and since she thinks Alex is gordy loser then we know what her
>> opinion is actually worth to the real world.
>
> ...but, can you honestly say for sure that Alex is not Gordy?
Cannot say for certain because I have never met either gordy loser or
Alex in person but I will trust my intuition on the situation.
> Peanut
>
>
Alex
chocola...@aol.com at chocola...@aol.com wrote on 1/10/07 2:00 PM:
(Quoting Speeding the idiot)
>>> I've gotta support Alex and those like him.
>>>
>>> I think Alex is Ray...
>>
>> He's just a lot like him. Perhaps it's an envy thing. HC is Ray.
>
I'm a lot like Ray?
Shows what you know.
>
>> Well... consider this "solution" and you tell me what you think of it...
>> create a commerical website forum. Tell people that if they want to avoid
>> Ray, they can go to the commerical website. Tell people that if they
>> suggest anything other than going to this commerical site, they should
>> shut the fuck up. Does that sound like a solution to you?
>
The only one whose been told to "shut the fuck up" is you, and not because
of your "thoughts" about mASF.
Maybe if you weren't a imbecile with delusions of grandeur, you'd get a
better reception.
But why look at your role in how you're treated? It just must be someone
else's fault.
chocola...@aol.com
Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot wrote:
> > Believe me Jack [Ryan] was not real....
>
> "He" ("Jack Ryan") most definitely was not, nor was his "widow."
>
> The anonymous freak to whom you are responding actually manufactured a fake
> e-mail that it claimed it received from the "widow."
I believe you Ray...and so does Speeding....anyone else?
Peanut
Alex
chocola...@aol.com at chocola...@aol.com wrote on 1/10/07 7:49 PM:
That's some company you're choosing to keep.
Krus T. Olfard
news:Xns98B4A5C52...@69.28.186.120:
Oops - forgot to change my default nym again.
Sigh...
Krus T. Olfard
>
Now we know and acknowledge who and what you are.
Thom E. Geiger
Hell I hope not. This had best be a joke, because who's to be pitied
most, a compulsive liar or someone who compulsively believes what a
compusive liar claims to be true?
speeding
> Chocolatepeanut wrote:
>>
>> The Editorial Staff wrote:
>>
>>> Ask her if she remembers Jack Ryan, and then tell
>>> her about the harrassment of his widow that came
>>> from Ray.
>>
>> Yes, I remember 'Jack Ryan'...AKA 'Vince Runza'...AKA
>> many others......hehehe...it was all a lot of fun back
>> then..
>>
>> Of course you don't expect me to believe that he was
>> real do you?? Would a 'real' doctor..a 'real married
>> doctor' post under his 'real' name of Dr Jack Ryan on
>> Alt.seduction.fast! Ha! Oh, how I laughed at that! :)
>> Jack with the "I have expensive silverware in my house"
>> conversations on Usenet! Believe me Jack was not real....
>
>
> So you're saying that the Dr. John Ryan that one of the
> members of the Editorial Staff actually met in person,
> was not real, and that the member of the Editorial Staff
> was hallucinating? Is that what you're claiming?
Perhaps she's merely claiming that she would believe you if you had some
evidence to present? Perhaps she's claiming that she does not accept the
almight word of "god" (or are you gods... plural?) without some sort of
divine revelation?
Peanut, what say you? Are you defying the word of "god" and asking for
proof? Though shalt not test the Lord God... right? ;P
> You're also saying that Vince Runza and Jack Ryan were
> the same person? How is that possible?
Maybe they're all part of "you"? I don't know... I'm not supposed to
question the mystery of the Holy Trinity. Just believe it. Cause some
book says so.
> You're also saying that when John C. Ryan started posting,
> he was then pursuing his PhD, and that the records we have
> seen were somehow faked by the University? Do we have that
> right?
"We" have? That would be evidence. Put it up. Show me that Mrs. Ryan
exists. Or, be really kind, and let me know her e-mail address so I can
ask her myself.
> You really take the cake. We thought GRPie changed his
> story to suit his agenda a lot, but you are certainly
> doing exactly that, and much faster than Gordo ever did.
> We suppose that makes you Rico Raytardo, then. By your
> reasoning it does.
>
> You're a lot more gullible, with a much more selective
> memory than we had previously thought.
She's being gullible because she's asking for evidence and not blindly
accepting something on faith alone? How do you define gullible?
> We also notice that you do not address our statement that
> if you defend the person who did what Gordie did, that you
> are condoning those actions.
No, she didn't. I'm sure that the defense council for Saddam Hussein
might see things differently. Ditto for a lot of other people that seek
the truth without condoning the alledged actions of the accused.
> Thanks. You're as bad as he is, and therefore as worthy
> of attack and derision as he is.
God is mocking you, Peanut. Hee hee... :D
speeding
news:Xns98B4A5C52...@69.28.186.120:
> chocola...@aol.com wrote in
> news:1168391252.4...@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> Krus T. Olfard wrote:
>>> I started to make a big response to her post but instead decided to
>>> just agree that I can be an asshole. Will I apologize for being an
>>> asshole? No. Since being an asshole is not a normal part of my
>>> personality in general that means that when I'm being an asshole I'm
>>> doing it quite voluntarily.
>>
>> Well it could be that Ray is doing the same thing...
>
> And if he is then he deserves more than I am doing to him since I
> started out defending him when I first got here, right up until he
> started the first undeserved flames and bullshit posts.
>
> Many more people than me started out defending him. All of them with
> the exception of you now realize what he is and treat him in the way
> he so desperately craves.
As did I. Then it dawned on me... why reward him if it is attention he
seeks? Wouldn't be more fun to watch him wallow in the same misery he
supposedly brings... as he goes ignored. I loved seeing it happen on the
one day it did.
>>> And if she thinks that calling someone on his lies and bullshit is
>>> being an asshole then of course I'm being an asshole... in her
>>> opinion...
>>
>> Calling someone on their lies and bullshit is fine, but there is a
>> limit to how much one should go on about it without it becoming an
>> issue that it more to do with the bullshitee than the bullshiter...
>
> There is NOT any limit except in your mind.
No so much a limit, as a point where kill becomes overkill. A point where
you are using so much firepower it becomes self destructive. For example,
you don't want to kill the fly in your house by dropping a bomb on the
entire neighborhood.
Unless you want to destroy the neighborhood. But who would have a
motivation for doing that?
>>> and since she thinks Alex is gordy loser then we know what her
>>> opinion is actually worth to the real world.
>>
>> ...but, can you honestly say for sure that Alex is not Gordy?
>
> Cannot say for certain because I have never met either gordy loser or
> Alex in person but I will trust my intuition on the situation.
>
>> Peanut
>>
>>
>
>
--
speeding
news:C1CAF299.EF6B0%akau...@nyc.NOSPAM.rr.com:
> in article 1168455647....@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com,
> chocola...@aol.com at chocola...@aol.com wrote on 1/10/07
> 2:00 PM:
>
> (Quoting Speeding the idiot)
>
>>>> I've gotta support Alex and those like him.
>>>>
>>>> I think Alex is Ray...
>>>
>>> He's just a lot like him. Perhaps it's an envy thing. HC is Ray.
>>
>
> I'm a lot like Ray?
>
> Shows what you know.
Touche. Ray uses a bit more common sense and on rare occassions... facts.
But, as far as juvinile insults and whiney rants... Ray probably does got
you beat. So no, you aren't Ray. You're more like aspiring to be like
Ray.
>>> Well... consider this "solution" and you tell me what you think of
>>> it... create a commerical website forum. Tell people that if they
>>> want to avoid Ray, they can go to the commerical website. Tell
>>> people that if they suggest anything other than going to this
>>> commerical site, they should shut the fuck up. Does that sound like
>>> a solution to you?
>>
> The only one whose been told to "shut the fuck up" is you, and not
> because of your "thoughts" about mASF.
Awww... is someone mad because I'm not accepting their word on blind
faith. Boo hoo. Who's angry? Who's Mr. Poutie-face? I'm not playing nice
and believing everything I'm told like a good little sheep, now am I?
> Maybe if you weren't a imbecile with delusions of grandeur, you'd get
> a better reception.
There's no delusions. Just a matter of time. And I'm getting a fine
reception except from the folks that want to see everyone move offsite
anyways. The more they (and you) rant, the more I feel like I must be
doing something right. After all, ya'll wouldn't care if I was just
spouting the company line.
> But why look at your role in how you're treated? It just must be
> someone else's fault.
No. It's all mine. I'm being treated just fine.
speeding
news:1168476580.8...@i56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
Whow whow... not so fast there. I didn't say I believed Ray. I said I
don't not believe Ray. The difference is subtle.. it's that I decided
what to believe. So I don't believe anything.
chocola...@aol.com
Thom E. Geiger wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:18:58 -0500, "Ray Gordon, creator of the
> \"pivot\"" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote:
>
> >The anonymous freak to whom you are responding actually manufactured a fake
> >e-mail that it claimed it received from the "widow."
>
> You one to talk, asshole.
Of course you do know don't you?..... and I'm assuming that you are as
well read as 'Dr Jack Ryan' was....that 'Dr Jack Ryan' is a fictional
character from the Tom Clancy novels...there are quite a few of
them...lets see..The Hunt for Red October...Patriot Games (Sean Bean
was very good in that film - did I tell you that he is the spit of my
husband??)...oh yes, and Clear and Present Danger. The Sum of All
Fears even mentioned him meeting the 'future Mrs Ryan' no less...
Peanut
chocola...@aol.com
speeding wrote:
> chocola...@aol.com wrote in
> news:1168476580.8...@i56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
> >
> > Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot wrote:
> >> > Believe me Jack [Ryan] was not real....
> >>
> >> "He" ("Jack Ryan") most definitely was not, nor was his "widow."
> >>
> >> The anonymous freak to whom you are responding actually manufactured
> >> a fake e-mail that it claimed it received from the "widow."
> >
> > I believe you Ray...and so does Speeding....anyone else?
> >
> > Peanut
>
> Whow whow... not so fast there. I didn't say I believed Ray. I said I
> don't not believe Ray. The difference is subtle.. it's that I decided
> what to believe. So I don't believe anything.
Ok..sorry Speeding....just me then?......:)
chocola...@aol.com
DarkKobold wrote:
> > You've got me all confused now NN...why are you asking Speeding to
> > email a 'dead woman'?? You did say she was dead didn't you? :)
> >
> > Peanut
>
> Wow, is lacking reading comprehension a prerequiste for posting here?
> Did I miss taking the anti-reading comprehension test?
Sleep deprivation gets you like that...at least I get better with some
sleep..
Peanut
Thom E. Geiger
>The more they (and you) rant, the more I feel like I must be
>doing something right. After all, ya'll wouldn't care if I was just
>spouting the company line.
>
>> But why look at your role in how you're treated? It just must be
>> someone else's fault.
>
>No. It's all mine. I'm being treated just fine.
It's obvious, through deductive reasoning (and I didn't need a judge
to affirm anything for me) your trolling skills are not top shelf, and
I'll wager you will insist you aren't one, but the evidence is there.
You do share a lot of behavior with Parker, more so than anyone you
seem to think does.
You, like Parker, ignore facts that are self-evident, a prerequisite
troll trait. Admitting facts are evident that contradict your argument
is self-defeating to any half assed troll.
There is no real discussion going on, going to happen or possible if
one side doesn't acknowledge either or both sides can reason by
deduction and thorough examination of the argument, the facts and the
evidence. What is there to debate or discuss if that is not possible?
Nothing. That is trollism 101. That is exactly what has come across in
every one of your posts. If that is not true and I am mistaken, then
you can show me where and how I am wrong.
chocola...@aol.com
speeding wrote:
> I'm even guessing your a blond. :P
I don't get enough sleep so do come across as a blond sometimes..:)
But no, I'm quite darked haired...I don't reach for the bleach..too
individual for that...
Peanut
Nomen Nescio
>
>
> Of course you do know don't you?..... and I'm assuming
> that you are as well read as 'Dr Jack Ryan' was....that
> 'Dr Jack Ryan' is a fictional character from the Tom
> see.. The Hunt for Red October... Patriot Games (Sean
> Bean was very good in that film - did I tell you that
> he is the spit of my husband??)...oh yes, and Clear and
> Present Danger. The Sum of All Fears even mentioned
> him meeting the 'future Mrs Ryan' no less...
>
Yes. This confirms that you are either willfully
argumentative, or just plain stupid.
You are contending that just because some author
somewhere makes up a name, that not one other single
solitary soul on the entire planet can then have
that name. That is patently false, on the face of
it, and anyone with even a third grade education
can grasp it.
Since you CHOOSE not to understand, and we KNOW that
you have had conversations with Dr. Ryan, on more
than one occasion, you are then pandering to the
group, to be contrary. We call this polarity
response. You say something that goes against
either conventional wisdom, or established fact,
just to hold the opposing position.
Or you're a total moron.
Or both.
How quickly you have backpedaled from some of the
things you said in the past to Dr. Ryan.
Some of the Members actually met him. We KNOW he
was a real person. So whatever you have to say on
the matter is just bullshit.
---
chocola...@aol.com
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> chocola...@aol.com babbled incoherently:
> > Of course you do know don't you?..... and I'm assuming
> > that you are as well read as 'Dr Jack Ryan' was....that
> > 'Dr Jack Ryan' is a fictional character from the Tom
> > Clancy novels... there are quite a few of them... lets
> > see.. The Hunt for Red October... Patriot Games (Sean
> > Bean was very good in that film - did I tell you that
> > he is the spit of my husband??)...oh yes, and Clear and
> > Present Danger. The Sum of All Fears even mentioned
> > him meeting the 'future Mrs Ryan' no less...
> Yes. This confirms that you are either willfully
> argumentative, or just plain stupid.
Neither...just not blindly following the herd as you seem to be...
Have you all been glue sniffing??
> You are contending that just because some author
> somewhere makes up a name, that not one other single
> solitary soul on the entire planet can then have
> that name. That is patently false, on the face of
> it, and anyone with even a third grade education
> can grasp it.
No, there are lots of Dr Jack Ryans, but as I pointed out before I find
it very hard to believe that an educated man would post on here using
his real name..so therefore it must be a made up name...
> Since you CHOOSE not to understand, and we KNOW that
> you have had conversations with Dr. Ryan, on more
> than one occasion,
I had usenet conversations with someone calling himself Dr Ryan, yes..
you are then pandering to the
> group, to be contrary. We call this polarity
> response. You say something that goes against
> either conventional wisdom, or established fact,
> just to hold the opposing position.
I ask again..have you been glue sniffing?
> Or you're a total moron.
>
> Or both.
>
> How quickly you have backpedaled from some of the
> things you said in the past to Dr. Ryan.
No I have not..
> Some of the Members actually met him. We KNOW he
> was a real person. So whatever you have to say on
> the matter is just bullshit.
Names, places, times, dates? Who is this misterious Member??
> Freedom of Speech is WORTHLESS without Social Responsibility.
Hypocrite.
Peanut
chocola...@aol.com
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> So you're saying that the Dr. John Ryan that one of the
> members of the Editorial Staff actually met in person,
> was not real, and that the member of the Editorial Staff
> was hallucinating? Is that what you're claiming?
Yes..
> You're also saying that Vince Runza and Jack Ryan were
> the same person? How is that possible?
Yes, usenet my darling..
> You're also saying that when John C. Ryan started posting,
> he was then pursuing his PhD, and that the records we have
> seen were somehow faked by the University? Do we have that
> right?
Yes, I have that right.
> You really take the cake. We thought GRPie changed his
> story to suit his agenda a lot, but you are certainly
> doing exactly that, and much faster than Gordo ever did.
> We suppose that makes you Rico Raytardo, then. By your
> reasoning it does.
I haven't changed...I never believed he was real when we were playing
games...would Dr Jack Ryan openly call convicted drug
> You're a lot more gullible, with a much more selective
> memory than we had previously thought.
I really can't believe that you believe he was real!
> We also notice that you do not address our statement that
> if you defend the person who did what Gordie did, that you
> are condoning those actions.
He didn't do anything because the person does not exist...which bit of
'he was not real' do you not understand??
> Thanks. You're as bad as he is, and therefore as worthy
> of attack and derision as he is.
Be my guest...Mr Editorial Staff..as if that means anything...:)
Peanut
Managing Director of The Peanut Corporation
Thom E. Geiger
Now it's my turn for the dipshit who says he has proof about Ryan and
Runza, but says no proof exists about Parker. Have you heard from
Parker yet? You will. Come on, numbnuts, I need space to post a lot
more with Gordon Roy Parker's name on it:
>> <----Your choice of friends is troublesome. May nature finish you
>> off, the earlier the better, CUNT. Also a curse on all your children
>> that will NEVER be removed until you remove "KR" (the idiot can't
>> even refer to himself in the first person) from your social circle.
>
>
more child references...
>
>
>> Rot in hell, CUNT. And may your children rot there as well. May they
>> also not live long enough to have their own (this is NOT a threat of
>> any kind, merely a wish which equalizes the emotions you show when you
>> befriend people who call me a child molester). If you don't like my
>> posts, start listening more carefully when a spiritual warning flag
>> goes up.
Legallllllllll
><-------You are free to do what you want, but I doubt
>there is a precedent for it. In fact, your THREAT to
>prosecute me for doing something PERFECTLY LEGAL might
>open you up to something. I have the right to wish
>ANYTHING I WANT on your living body farts.
>
>
>>At the very least, seeking a restraining order against you
>>barring you from entering my state. This should not in any way be unclear.
>
>
><---------You'd have to have grounds. You can't control what I say within
>the law, or where I go. Did I mention there's a curse on your children
>that won't be removed until you disown "KR?" If you file such a report,
>a copy would be sent to me, and I would have a chance to take action
>against you. "Officer! He WISHED death on my kids!!" AaAAAAAAH!!!!
Now for a seriously deluded claim...
>
>><------What makes you think I have no friends? I just am VERY picky
>>about them as they have to meet a certain ethical standard. I even
>>have FANS; you ever have a FAN? It's a fun experience.
>>My work is historically significant
>
>
> To prove defamation of character, that's CHARACTER for those who have no clue
>as to the basis of the action, you must prove your character has been defamed
>or harmed. All anyone has to do is prove you are lacking in any positive
>character to teh satisfaction of a judge or jury.
> That is where the previous examples of your history, and the list that follows
>comes into play.
>
>
>Publicly claiming a specific individual solicited minors for criminal
>activities?
>Publicly calling someone (a specific minor) a "cyberthug"?
>Publicly calling someone (a specific minor) a criminal over 161
>times? I remember you claimed you were libeled by people calling you a
>criminal.
>Publicly accusing a specific business of engaging in child abuse?
>Repeatedly accusing a specific individual (by name) of engaging in
>prostitution?
>Over 130 personal attacks against a specific individual based on
>sexual preference
More to come with (who?) Gordon Roy Parker's name on it.
HeeroYuy
"Thom E. Geiger" <ThomE...@Gmail.com> wrote in message
news:albgq2h644s8jk79s...@4ax.com...
Seeing that peanut is blindly defending Gordon, believing his lies and
whacked out theories, and giving no thought of the other side of the story,
it is my opinion that s/he is another Gordon Roy Parker sock-puppet.
Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"
>> he was then pursuing his PhD, and that the records we have
>> seen were somehow faked by the University? Do we have that
>> right?
>
> Yes, I have that right.
He posted as a "doctor" but was PURSUING a doctorate? How fake.
He has no difficulty posting with what he claims is his real name but threw
a shit fit when I tried to verify this? (hint: almost every Ph.D.'s name
will turn up in a search through at least their university's website).
Now note how these individuals somehow think anyone who doesn't agree with
them is now "as deserving" of their attempted flaming and bullying as they
believe I am.
Pretty obvious who is trying to intimidate others out of speaking their
minds, and it's not me.
--
Ray Gordon, Author
The OFFICIAL Ray Gordon Blog:
http://moderncaveman.typepad.com
Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"
about her and a few friends of hers into my e-mail.
Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"
>
> And if he is then he deserves more than I am doing to him since I started
> out defending him when I first got here, right up until he started the
> first undeserved flames and bullshit posts.
Ah yes, "Fast Franky" uses the $HILL tactic of pretending to be neutral and
acting as if his hidden agenda unfolded naturally.
(the idea is to sell product).
Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"
> feew folks that are seriously follwing Ray. And that these are the same
> folks that want to claim ownership and lordship of ASF. And that they
> want to claim that Ray has destroyed it, so you should move off ASF.
The commercial motives behind that conduct are self-evident, as well, but
who cares, since it obviously pays to behave that way.
People like that know that men who are stupid with women and desperate to
belong to any group of people are going to fall right into the trap.
Besides, even if they wise up and complain one day, they'll be the ones
attacked, as we're beginning to see here.
Nomen Nescio
>
>>> You're also saying that when John C. Ryan started posting,
>>> he was then pursuing his PhD, and that the records we have
>>> seen were somehow faked by the University? Do we have that
>>> right?
>
> doctorate? How fake.
Once again, Gordon Roy Parker, posterboy for Mental Illness,
demonstrates his CLEAR inability to either read for content,
or for willfully misrepresenting the facts, in order to state
something other than the truth.
What we wrote, clearly states that when Dr. Ryan STARTED posting,
that he was "then pursuing his PhD". We never said that he was
"posting as a doctor". No way, no how. We have many of those
posts in our archives as well.
It's clear to anyone who can read for content, that Gordon Roy
Parker is trying to change the facts to suit his agenda.
And failing miserably. Just like he does at everything.
Gordon Roy, you must know that you can't win. We know what
you're going to do, and we know how you're going to do it.
You are, as you have always been, outclassed.
> He has no difficulty posting with what he claims is his real
> name but threw a shit fit when I tried to verify this?
What legitimate need did you have to "verify" anything? What
laws were broken that suddenly gave YOU the right to try to
obtain anyone's personal contact information? And by the way,
thanks for admitting that all you were after was the personal
contact information for someone, so that you could harass and
stalk them. That will dovetail nicely with everything else we
have on you. You're really not as smart as you think you are.
Where, exactly, did he throw this "shit fit" you are claiming?
We have examined the archives, both ours, Google's, and two
other independent ones and we can't find anywhere that Dr. Ryan
threw any kind of fit about you looking for his personal info.
We did find, however, where you were told to cease and desist,
and you ignored it. We also do have some threatening emails that
you sent, that will be fairly easy to verify with your ISP, to
show that you did in fact, send them.
>(hint: almost every Ph.D.'s name will turn up in a search
> through at least their university's website).
Does that explain why you can't find anything on Vance Lear?
We found what we were looking for within ten minutes. In fact,
three separate people found it, all within ten minutes of
beginning to look. Of course, all that demonstrates is that you
are just as incompetent at finding people to harass, as you are
at harassing them, and even more incompetent in filing your
court cases with which to try harassing them.
You've just admitted that WE are better than YOU are, at finding
people. Although we knew that all along. You just admitted it.
> Now note how these individuals somehow think anyone who doesn't
> agree with them is now "as deserving" of their attempted flaming
> and bullying as they believe I am.
None of this has anything to do with "not agreeing with you."
This has everything to do with you being a serial vexatious
litigant, with attempting to obtain people's personal info so
that you can harass them, and your repeated lies and gross
misrepresentations about individuals who have done nothing
more than point out your lies and bullshit. That earned YOUR
wrath, and YOU are the one who started attempting to find THEIR
personal information, so that YOU could harass THEM. When you
found out that Mrs. Ryan's father was a Federal Judge, how
quickly did you have to go change your underoos?
> Pretty obvious who is trying to intimidate others out of
> speaking their minds, and it's me.
We changed this line so that it speaks the truth.
We all know that you are a liar. It's documented in court filings,
in your repeated posts that we have archived, and in all the emails
that your targets have so graciously shared with us. You have done
this to so many people, that we are not the least bit surprised
that you have forgotten who all of them are.
We know.
They know.
And we're all waiting.
Come on, Gordon Roy... When you post a recent photo of yourself
standing next to a live woman who you're not related to, we will
send you a legal affidavit containing the names, addresses,
telephone numbers, employers, work addresses, and even social
security numbers.
You can do that, can't you?
--
The Editorial Staff
-----
This post is an expression of our Constitutionally protected
right to Freedom of Speech.
Freedom of Speech is WORTHLESS without Social Responsibility.
- If the fires of freedom and civil liberties burn low in
Nomen Nescio
>
> Seems Lori pissed someone off enough for them to drop a
> ton of information about her and a few friends of hers
> into my e-mail.
>
Prove it.
We aren't making the claim. We are asking those who made the
claim (in this case you) to substantiate the claim.
<MLOdndN8ordk8zXY...@pghconnect.com>
John Michaels
the balls to go after Vince.
Vince owns Ray. Any time he wants, he can make the idiot dance like a
puppet.
"Nomen Nescio" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message
news:a251a44494163c0d...@dizum.com...
HeeroYuy
"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:ct6dnaaU9rYhIjXY...@pghconnect.com...
>>> Well it could be that Ray is doing the same thing...
>>
>> And if he is then he deserves more than I am doing to him since I started
>> out defending him when I first got here, right up until he started the
>> first undeserved flames and bullshit posts.
>
> Ah yes, "Fast Franky" uses the $HILL tactic of pretending to be neutral
> and acting as if his hidden agenda unfolded naturally.
>
> (the idea is to sell product).
Bullshit. Gordon is paranoid again.
Krus T. Olfard
>
> He has no difficulty posting with what he claims is his real name but
> threw a shit fit when I tried to verify this? (hint: almost every
> Ph.D.'s name will turn up in a search through at least their
> university's website).
>
>
Hint - gordy loser's name does not show up as even having attended high
school much less a university.
HeeroYuy
"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:Z5WdnZnEKu_1TzXY...@pghconnect.com...
> >It won't take long for you to figure out there are really only a
>> feew folks that are seriously follwing Ray. And that these are the same
>> folks that want to claim ownership and lordship of ASF. And that they
>> want to claim that Ray has destroyed it, so you should move off ASF.
>
> The commercial motives behind that conduct are self-evident, as well, but
> who cares, since it obviously pays to behave that way.
Prove it. Who is getting paid and who is paying these people?
>
> People like that know that men who are stupid with women and desperate to
> belong to any group of people are going to fall right into the trap.
> Besides, even if they wise up and complain one day, they'll be the ones
> attacked, as we're beginning to see here.
Wet dreams do not reality make.
Krus T. Olfard
>
> The commercial motives behind that conduct are self-evident, as well,
> but who cares, since it obviously pays to behave that way.
>
>
Provide verifiable evidence that this claim is true or be known as a
liar.
As I've told you before, gordy, provide verifiable evidence that I am as
you claim a shill and I will apologize here and never post any negative
response to any post you make in the future under your current nym.
Will you provide verifiable evidence of this claim that you have made
numerous times?
Will you show everyone that you actually do have some credibility?
Will you show everyone that you are a lying asshole?
What will you do, gordy loser?
All you have to do to gain a huge amount of credibility not only in
a.s.f. but all over usenet is to provide verifiable evidence that I am as
you claim a shill for some commercial seduction interest - actually no, I
take that back - all you have to do is provide verifiable evidence that I
am a shill for ANY commercial interest when I post to a.s.f.
You have made the claim.
It's up to you to show the verifiable evidence that led you to make that
claim.
If you do NOT provide that verifiable evidence then I and everyone else
who reads a.s.f. will have no choice but to believe that you are a total
liar who will say anything to further whatever is your current agenda.
Show everyone that you are NOT a liar, gordy.
Show everyone that you actually have credibility.
Provide that verifiable evidence, gordy. After all, you are the one
making the claim so you must have seen verifiable evidence that led you
to that conclusion.
Show that you are a REAL MAN, gordy loser. Back up your claims!
speeding
@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:
> Have you all been glue sniffing??
No. But I've been accused of being on meth. (which is for pussies) :P
Lori Koonce
Ray Gordon, creator of the pivot wrote:
> Seems Lori pissed someone off enough for them to drop a ton of information
> about her and a few friends of hers into my e-mail.
Great Ray
What's supposed to happen now? Am I supposed to be afraid? Should Vance
and I be shaking in our boots?
You've got shit on me hon. Everything that anyone can get off the net
is a matter of public record. One that I have never run from or tried
to lie my way out of. I've always used my real name, and even given
you ample information to find out all public information on me. Can you
say the same thing?
Besides, you will probably have to file any court shit in the State of
California. Which means leaving Philly for a long trip. Being a
tourist town San Francisco isn't cheap. You got the money to sustain
any kind of legal attack against me? I can afford pretty good lawyers,
and friends can pull strings to get me even better ones.
So, the ball is firmly in your court Mr. Parker. It's time to either
put up or shut up. Until I get a cease and desist letter from a legal
firm, I'm not changing one iota of my language or my beliefs about you.
See the bitch about free speach is that it dosen't just cover stuff
that is flattering towards you, it also covers the rotten and somewhat
mean things people say too. It especially protects that stuff.
Otherwise, we'd end up with a bunch of legal bullies such as yourself.
People who only use the courts to silence the people who don't quite
agree with them. SLAPP suits can go both ways my dear. You're gonna
have to put out your shit before the courts as well as I will. I'm sure
that the judge will have a blast reading your own words about so much
shit.... I'm almost certain that I can get reams of your own words that
would prove my case. Can you say the same?
But, you know the nicest thing of all Ray? You aren't going to do SHIT,
and anyone who has ever dealt with you knows it, and you do to. You
have to be scared shitless of a woman who isn't about to cower at your
feet. I'm going to make sure to have all my ducks in a row; on the off
chance you actually put your balls where your mouth is. I doubt I'll
actually NEED any of the resources I'm lining up, but one should always
play it as safely as one can.
Lori
PS Peanut and Speeding YOU guys need any more proof about what's been
said about RAY? You two can read for content RIGHT?
speeding
> On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:25:15 GMT, speeding <no...@biz.org> wrote:
>
>>The more they (and you) rant, the more I feel like I must be
>>doing something right. After all, ya'll wouldn't care if I was just
>>spouting the company line.
>>
>>> But why look at your role in how you're treated? It just must be
>>> someone else's fault.
>>
>>No. It's all mine. I'm being treated just fine.
>
> It's obvious, through deductive reasoning (and I didn't need a judge
> to affirm anything for me) your trolling skills are not top shelf, and
> I'll wager you will insist you aren't one, but the evidence is there.
> You do share a lot of behavior with Parker, more so than anyone you
> seem to think does.
No, they aren't top notch. But I don't troll that often. I do it, but not
often enough to be as good as, for example, you are. Perhaps you can tell
me how to improve. Trolling might be a good skill for pickup.
> You, like Parker, ignore facts that are self-evident, a prerequisite
> troll trait. Admitting facts are evident that contradict your argument
> is self-defeating to any half assed troll.
What you call self evident facts are, in fact, self evident. Evident to
yourself, as they aren't anywhere I can read them myself. Sure, you can
make claims. So can Gordon. I'm not going to believe you any more than
him.
> There is no real discussion going on, going to happen or possible if
> one side doesn't acknowledge either or both sides can reason by
> deduction and thorough examination of the argument, the facts and the
> evidence. What is there to debate or discuss if that is not possible?
Well, this is a good piece of logical reasoning. I'm surprised, but
pleasantly so. I agree, there is no real discussion going on. You are
telling me that I have to either beleive you or believe Gordon. I'm
telling you I won't believe wither of you until one of you can show some
evidence. I'd love to have a thorough examination of the arugment, the
facts and the evidence.
But when I ask for evidence, all you provide... and all Gordon provide...
are more claims. Not facts or evidence... but just claims. How can I not
come to a conclusion that you are Gordon are very much alike when you
both have the asme concepts of debate... make claims instead of
presenting evidence.
> Nothing. That is trollism 101. That is exactly what has come across in
> every one of your posts. If that is not true and I am mistaken, then
> you can show me where and how I am wrong.
So why are you asking me a question if you are going to answer it for me?
And how can I show you that you are wrong about what you believe? I can
explain my position and my reasons for it. I can show what I believe your
position to be. But I don't know of any way I can show that your belief
is wrong. I can only present logical debate and evidence to influence
your decisions on what you chose to believe.
That, however, would even be difficult. You've chosen what you believe
without any evidence for it. This is refered to as faith. Debates on
faith can be enjoyable, but convincing a person to abandon a faith is not
something likely to succeed. In the posts I recently made before this
one, however, I presented you with the logic I believe you to be using,
based on what you've stated... and the logic I and using, based on what I
know.
Perhaps in an examination of the logic, youmight come to believe that you
are mistaken, or to at least see that your point of view and my point of
view are not the same.. and do not need to be. The more I read from you,
the more I believe that if I do not accept your point of view, you will
not desire any discussion. I also believe that you feel or conclude that
if I disagree with your views, that it somehow consitiutes an agreement
on my part with Gordon. Nothing would be farther from true... but as I
stated... I can not change your belief if it is based on faith. If you
only accept your point of view, then debate, as you said, isn't possible.
speeding
@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I'm not sure.
Are you saying you believe Ray? I'd sooner believe the single bullet
theory. But then, my belief is just the same for the claims made against
Ray also.
chocola...@aol.com
dracozna wrote:
> Odious wrote:
> >> ask... Why DIDN'T this "Mrs. Ryan" **GET** Ray into a courtroom? What was
> >> she waiting for? What is "we" waiting for, if "we" claims to have the
> >> goods to get Ray into court? Why is it that "we" claims to have so much
> >> evidence, but isn't willing to use it?
> > Pretty simple really... if they filed a case against gordo in their homes
> > state, it would be tossed for jurisdictional issues. They'd have to travel
> > to gordo's state and sue him there. And since they were on the prosecution
> > side, they'd have little chance of recovering those costs.
> >
> > Whereas if they wait for gordo to sue them, and respond with their info from
> > a defensive position they'll win, cross claim, and win that too.
> >
> > Though I expect you'll just repeat yourself again and act as if I never
> > answered your question.
> Thanks. That explains some things.
It explains nothing..only that whoever was 'pretending' to be Jack
thought it through beforehand...any takers... Odious?
Peanut
Lori Koonce
chocolatepea...@aol.com wrote:
> dracozna wrote:
> > Odious wrote:
> > >> ask... Why DIDN'T this "Mrs. Ryan" **GET** Ray into a courtroom? What was
> > >> she waiting for? What is "we" waiting for, if "we" claims to have the
> > >> goods to get Ray into court? Why is it that "we" claims to have so much
> > >> evidence, but isn't willing to use it?
>
> > > Pretty simple really... if they filed a case against gordo in their homes
> > > state, it would be tossed for jurisdictional issues. They'd have to travel
> > > to gordo's state and sue him there. And since they were on the prosecution
> > > side, they'd have little chance of recovering those costs.
> > >
> > > Whereas if they wait for gordo to sue them, and respond with their info from
> > > a defensive position they'll win, cross claim, and win that too.
> > >
> > > Though I expect you'll just repeat yourself again and act as if I never
> > > answered your question.
>
Peanut
Nomen has written to tell you that he's had face to face conversations
with Dr. Ryan.
Can you prove he didn't?
Nomen and I have had some internet interactions before, and as far as I
can tell he's an honest and upstanding human, who has never lied to
anyone. He's got enough credibility for me, and any reasonable person
as well.
BTW, now that Ray has let it be known that he's got information about
me and my friends, what do you recommend. Keep in mind that he's got a
history of actually going off line to harass people. What do I do.
Love and lots of prayers
Lori
DarkKobold
Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot" wrote:
> about her and a few friends of hers into my e-mail.
>
Ooooh, information! How exciting! I hope it's her turn ons, turn offs,
weekend activites and favorite ice cream type!
Yay! Information! Yay!
This is about as intimidating as you knowing her name... which she
uh.... posts under....
yeah.
hmmmmm..... crickets chripping.
Krus T. Olfard
news:1168745886....@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com:
Well yeah, but the gordy loser apparently gets as much of a woody as he
is capable of getting over the idea of having 'information' about
someone.
Remember all his wet dreams he posted about unlimited discovery?
Thom E. Geiger
wrote:
>Peanut
>
>Nomen has written to tell you that he's had face to face conversations
>with Dr. Ryan.
>
>Can you prove he didn't?
>
>Nomen and I have had some internet interactions before, and as far as I
>can tell he's an honest and upstanding human, who has never lied to
>anyone. He's got enough credibility for me, and any reasonable person
>as well.
>
>BTW, now that Ray has let it be known that he's got information about
>me and my friends, what do you recommend. Keep in mind that he's got a
>history of actually going off line to harass people. What do I do.
>
>Love and lots of prayers
>
>Lori
Lori, if Parker's even coming close to hinting he has access to
personal information about you or any member of your family, I'd
recommend having a serious talk with your local law enforcement and
maybe purchasing a weapon- I recommend a small automatic, just in case
yours is the one instance when this idiotic, self-possessed
megalomaniac decides to do something besides harass your employer,
landlord, your kids' schools, your better half or your neighbors. Just
make sure, if you decide to get a weapon, that you're absolutely ready
and willing to use it.
Thom E. Geiger
\"pivot\"" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote:
>Seems Lori pissed someone off enough for them to drop a ton of information
>about her and a few friends of hers into my e-mail.
Then that email and information should be subject to a subpoena. Good
idea to let your legal opponents know that shit, asswipe. It would
help prove my point about you being a privacy invading, idiotic,
psychopathic shithead. Can't wait to see how a judge and jury weigh
that when somebody finally gets your ass into court.
DarkKobold
> is capable of getting over the idea of having 'information' about
> someone.
> Remember all his wet dreams he posted about unlimited discovery?
>
I guess I missed that. I remember hearing people say that he'd call and
harass people at work, home, etc, and tell their friends, family, and
co-workers about field reports that the person had posted. If that
alone doesn't tell you why a private forum is necessary, I don't know
what will.
However, I can't find anything in the archive about that. I'd love to
read some horror stories.
When he tracked me down, I didn't want him calling me. I'm ridiculously
easy to find, which, not surprising, is his excuse for posting under RG
and not GRP. Yet, he calls me anonymous.
It is not that I'm afraid of anything I've posted. I'd just rather not
explain why some lunatic is stalking me over the internet.
speeding
> On 13 Jan 2007 17:05:04 -0800, "Lori Koonce" <purple...@excite.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Peanut
>>
>>Nomen has written to tell you that he's had face to face conversations
>>with Dr. Ryan.
>>
>>Can you prove he didn't?
>>
>>Nomen and I have had some internet interactions before, and as far as
>>I can tell he's an honest and upstanding human, who has never lied to
>>anyone. He's got enough credibility for me, and any reasonable person
>>as well.
>>
>>BTW, now that Ray has let it be known that he's got information about
>>me and my friends, what do you recommend. Keep in mind that he's got a
>>history of actually going off line to harass people. What do I do.
>>
>>Love and lots of prayers
>>
>>Lori
>
> Lori, if Parker's even coming close to hinting he has access to
> personal information about you or any member of your family, I'd
> recommend having a serious talk with your local law enforcement and
> maybe purchasing a weapon- I recommend a small automatic, just in case
> yours is the one instance when this idiotic, self-possessed
> megalomaniac decides to do something besides harass your employer,
> landlord, your kids' schools, your better half or your neighbors. Just
> make sure, if you decide to get a weapon, that you're absolutely ready
> and willing to use it.
Well, Lori, you got your advice. Strange, the source, but it's sound. You
DO SOMETHING. Aside from ranting on Usenet, that is. So, would you
consider ranting on Usenet (with no other evidence) to be valid evidence
that he has done something off Usenet, if the only reply performed is
ranting on Usenet?
speeding
news:1168751491.4...@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>> Well yeah, but the gordy loser apparently gets as much of a woody as
he
>> is capable of getting over the idea of having 'information' about
>> someone.
>> Remember all his wet dreams he posted about unlimited discovery?
>>
>
> I guess I missed that. I remember hearing people say that he'd call and
> harass people at work, home, etc, and tell their friends, family, and
> co-workers about field reports that the person had posted. If that
> alone doesn't tell you why a private forum is necessary, I don't know
> what will.
Well, gee.. why hasn't someone started a private forum then?
> However, I can't find anything in the archive about that. I'd love to
> read some horror stories.
You haven't found evidence? Ooohh. You're sounding like me. You aren't
me, are you? If you aren't with them, you must be against them. And that
makes you me. (perhaps you're waiting for evidence... but then that makes
you *just like* me)
> When he tracked me down, I didn't want him calling me. I'm ridiculously
> easy to find, which, not surprising, is his excuse for posting under RG
> and not GRP. Yet, he calls me anonymous.
Wait... you mean he knows who you are... and he's done... NOTHING. But
gee... Gordon is deranged and vengeful and attacks everyone without
cause. Oh... you must be defending him. Why don't you believe everything
you'r told about Ray? If he hasn't attacked you yet, he will. And what
will you do then, hum? You must be a Ray sock puppet. You don't see our
view as the one and only view. So you must be in league with him. You
must be a troll. What's that term... plank? Plenk? Plink? Plunk!
> It is not that I'm afraid of anything I've posted. I'd just rather not
> explain why some lunatic is stalking me over the internet.
You mean over Usenet. And why would you bother telling someone about a
Usenet boogyman, anyways? I heard of Candyman and a few other tall tales.
But I've never heard of one that summons the Boogyman of Usenet to your
door. Wait a minute.. yes I have...
It's about a story of a guy called Raymond. You say his name three times
or something like that. And he posts a few random threats. Then you say
his name three more times. And you get more posts. If you say his name
three times three (that's a witch thing, right?) then he names you in a
lawsuit that gets thrown out faster than Cindy Sheehan at a Republican
Convention.
Yeah, that's a scary story... let's kindle the fire and I'll tell you the
story about the Webcam Ghoul. He turns on your webcam and records your
brain waves... ooooooohhhhhh.... scary scary..... oooooooohhhhhhhh. :D
dracozna
To me it does. I live in a country that's not as big as the states so
it's not always obvious how much the travel distance can be an obstacle.
Just to make it clear: I can drive to any place in my country with a max
of 3 hours (traffic jams not included).
So it explains to me why Gordon doesn't get sued much.
(is "sued" correct grammar? it looks weird.)
Johannes Seppi
>"DarkKobold" <darkk...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>news:1168751491.4...@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
>>> Well yeah, but the gordy loser apparently gets as much of a woody as
>he
>>> is capable of getting over the idea of having 'information' about
>>> someone.
>>> Remember all his wet dreams he posted about unlimited discovery?
>>>
>>
>> I guess I missed that. I remember hearing people say that he'd call and
>> harass people at work, home, etc, and tell their friends, family, and
>> co-workers about field reports that the person had posted. If that
>> alone doesn't tell you why a private forum is necessary, I don't know
>> what will.
>
>Well, gee.. why hasn't someone started a private forum then?
>
Well, they have. Why do you think so many people went to mASF, where a
certain poster is banned?
[...]
Johannes
speeding
news:45aa2813$0$330$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl:
3 hours? Heck, it takes longer than that to cross some of the States
here. For that matter, it takes some folks an hour or more just to drive
home from work. There are homes here where you need a 10 minute walk just
to the mailbox. So, a jaunt to Penn shouldn't be that big a deal for
folks east of the Miss.
> So it explains to me why Gordon doesn't get sued much.
> (is "sued" correct grammar? it looks weird.)
Yep. sued. It might look weird because you'r not used to it like we Yanks
are. We sue for everything. Hot coffee spilt in my lap and I didn't rear
the warning label that it was hot. I ate the little packet that keeps my
weight loss pills from getting moist and didn't notice the tag that says
"do not eat". I carried my stereo into the hot tub and didn't read the
warning on the stereo that says to not get it wet. Andthe hot tub doesn't
have warning on it that says not to put electrical devices in the water.
Keep in mind, we even have criminals that sue homeowners because they got
hurt when they fell through the skylight while trying to break in. :D
In fact, I might just sue myself for talking about all the lawsuits. :P
speeding
news:mcckq2lkgiq8cpbru...@4ax.com:
What's the private forum? mASF isn't private. It's public. I can read it
all day long. Who's got a private forum? No one made one that I know of.
That idea was thoroughly shot down on ASF a long time ago.
Johannes Seppi
Do your definition of private is that people cannot be only banned
from posting but even from reading? Ross Jeffries has (had?) such a
list for years.
Even mASF tried tp shut out a certain poster from reading at first,
but it was given up as impractical.
Johannes
chocola...@aol.com
speeding wrote:
> "DarkKobold" <darkk...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1168751491.4...@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> Well yeah, but the gordy loser apparently gets as much of a woody as
> he
> >> is capable of getting over the idea of having 'information' about
> >> someone.
> >> Remember all his wet dreams he posted about unlimited discovery?
> >>
> >
> > I guess I missed that. I remember hearing people say that he'd call and
> > harass people at work, home, etc, and tell their friends, family, and
> > co-workers about field reports that the person had posted. If that
> > alone doesn't tell you why a private forum is necessary, I don't know
> > what will.
>
> Well, gee.. why hasn't someone started a private forum then?
>
> > However, I can't find anything in the archive about that. I'd love to
> > read some horror stories.
>
> You haven't found evidence? Ooohh. You're sounding like me. You aren't
> me, are you?
It's so funny this newsgroup...:)
I'd forgotten why I stopped posting, but it's all coming back to me
now...:) My head is all full of who's who...Vince Runza is Jack Ryan,
who I think is now Nomen Nescio and possibly Lori - although Lori could
actually be Ray, as he has just 'received' something from
Lori??....so....Vince, Jack and Nomen and possibly Kate, could be
Odious (who never posts when they are about)....oh I don't know...:)
Really funny, Speeding...:)
Lori Koonce
>
> Lori, if Parker's even coming close to hinting he has access to
> personal information about you or any member of your family, I'd
> recommend having a serious talk with your local law enforcement and
> maybe purchasing a weapon- I recommend a small automatic, just in case
> yours is the one instance when this idiotic, self-possessed
> megalomaniac decides to do something besides harass your employer,
> landlord, your kids' schools, your better half or your neighbors. Just
> make sure, if you decide to get a weapon, that you're absolutely ready
> and willing to use it.
> Thom E. Geiger, Domain Name Owner
> ChewOnThis.Org
> (the Official GRP NewsLoon tracking website)
> Ray-Gordon.com
> Ray-Gordon.net
> Newsloon.com
>
Thanks for the concern. I'm not going to go postal or Retard for a few
reasons, that will keep me very safe.
1. The only address he could possibly have belongs to my father, who
happens to be a retired law enforcement officer. I think he's well
equipped to take care of himself against any legal or physical attacks
that may come his way.
2. I have never put my personal address or phone number any where on
the Internet, just for the reasons you mentioned. Ray isn't the first
crazy I've dealt with online, and he probably won't be the last. The
only thing he can get from my headers and IP address is the fact that I
do most of my computing in the PUBLIC Library. San Francisco has over
750,000 people in it not counting the tourists. So, if Ray can
actually find me, it would be a serious miracle.
and 3rd and most importantly, Ray actually won't do a thing. As we both
know, his legal success record is non existant and he's ducked almost
every challenge ever presented to him.
So, in the grand scale of things, what do I really have to worry. I
know that once it gets to the legal aspects, I can have the courts
swamped with reccords that you and others have freely offered up. If I
gotta go there so be it. But I really don't think it will come to that.
Once again, thanks for the concern.
Lori
chocola...@aol.com
Keep taking the tablets.....
Peanut
speeding
>>>
>>> Well, they have. Why do you think so many people went to mASF, where
>>> a certain poster is banned?
>>
>>What's the private forum? mASF isn't private. It's public. I can read
>>it all day long. Who's got a private forum? No one made one that I
>>know of. That idea was thoroughly shot down on ASF a long time ago.
>
> Do your definition of private is that people cannot be only banned
> from posting but even from reading? Ross Jeffries has (had?) such a
> list for years.
Yes, it does. I would have to think that the meaning of private is very
similar to secret... or as M-W puts it... "not known or intended to be
known publicly" Something that is private is not public. A private forum
would be private. A public forum is open to the public. A forum that can
be read, but not posted to, by the public... is... in my thought... a
public, but restricted... forum.
> Even mASF tried tp shut out a certain poster from reading at first,
> but it was given up as impractical.
Why? I don't really know all that much about runnig a forum.. but I'd
think it'd be pretty simple to make it private. Or, to let parts be open
and parts closed. Anyways, the argument wasn't mine. It's from way back
when, in 2001, when the idea of a private forum or some other means of
avoiding newcomers was discussed.
> Johannes
Lori Koonce
>
> Well, Lori, you got your advice. Strange, the source, but it's sound. You
> DO SOMETHING. Aside from ranting on Usenet, that is. So, would you
> consider ranting on Usenet (with no other evidence) to be valid evidence
> that he has done something off Usenet, if the only reply performed is
> ranting on Usenet?
>
Speeding
Unlike Ray, I'm more than willing to take things as they come. If it
comes down to it, I'll have a gun, and someone to teach me how to use
it.
But, right now it's nothing more than a bunch of little electrons
making little things called letters, which in turn make these things
called words. No harm and no real foul has been committed quite yet, so
what exactaly is there to do? If it were against the law to be stupid,
half the worlds population would probably have been jailed by now.
And right now all Ray is doing is being extremely stupid.
That and he's once again using Usenet as his own bully pulpit. He
figures that one impotent threat is going to send me running. And I'm
just waiting to see the meltdown that will occur once he figures out
that I'm one rather tenacious bitch when need be.
And, before I go, explain to me why it's necessary for me to be
explaining ANY of this to you? You've all ready got me pegged, so
anything I say will either be discounted, or used to support whatever
your opinions of me are.
You claim not to be an apologist for Ray, but here he is giving you
proof, at my "expense" of exactly what he is, and instead of actually
weighing his words and behaviour, you are semi attacking ME!
If there's a concerted group effort, it seems to be between you, peanut
and Ray. The three of you are attempting to make the rest of us believe
that Ray's words have no impact on the rest of the world.
Lori
speeding
news:1168795254.7...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
I seriously doubt Lori is Ray. Lori's too clear headed for that. And Ray
didn't receive something FROM Lori... he CLAIMS he got something ABOUT
Lori. As to who Nomen is/are... I have no clue. They seem to have many
identities... since they are a they.
No no. That's supposed to be a horror story... If it was supposed to be
funny, it would start like this...
Ray, his followers, and a parrot go into a bar...
speeding
news:1168818469.2...@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> <snipped>
>>
>> Well, Lori, you got your advice. Strange, the source, but it's sound.
>> You DO SOMETHING. Aside from ranting on Usenet, that is. So, would
>> you consider ranting on Usenet (with no other evidence) to be valid
>> evidence that he has done something off Usenet, if the only reply
>> performed is ranting on Usenet?
>>
>
> Speeding
>
> Unlike Ray, I'm more than willing to take things as they come. If it
> comes down to it, I'll have a gun, and someone to teach me how to use
> it.
>
> But, right now it's nothing more than a bunch of little electrons
> making little things called letters, which in turn make these things
> called words. No harm and no real foul has been committed quite yet,
> so what exactaly is there to do? If it were against the law to be
> stupid, half the worlds population would probably have been jailed by
> now.
You asked for advice. You got advice. Not from me, but you got it. What
is there to do? Not much, I'd think. As you say, all that's been done is
some typing. I suppose you could try to get a restraining order or
something if you feel physically threatened. Otherwise, as you ask...
what is there to do?
> And right now all Ray is doing is being extremely stupid.
And that's new how? :P
> That and he's once again using Usenet as his own bully pulpit. He
> figures that one impotent threat is going to send me running. And I'm
> just waiting to see the meltdown that will occur once he figures out
> that I'm one rather tenacious bitch when need be.
I doubt you'll have to wait long.
> And, before I go, explain to me why it's necessary for me to be
> explaining ANY of this to you? You've all ready got me pegged, so
> anything I say will either be discounted, or used to support whatever
> your opinions of me are.
It's not, is it? I don't really have you pegged. I don't discount
anything a person says... with a few exceptions. As for my opinion of
you... it's pretty high... and so far you've not done much of anything to
for me to change that.
> You claim not to be an apologist for Ray, but here he is giving you
> proof, at my "expense" of exactly what he is, and instead of actually
> weighing his words and behaviour, you are semi attacking ME!
I do agree that he is making a total ass of himself. And I would not
disagree one bit if you said he was a total ass. But that's a far cry
from making a claim that you have some goods on him and you're going to
nail him in court. If you made such a claim, then I'd be asking you why
you haven't done it already.
And Lori, I'm not attacking you. I'm simply presenting my point of view.
If that's something you consider an attack, then so be it. I believe that
there are others that consider a different point of view to be an attack
on their point of view... or on them directly. But I didn't think you
thought like that. I've always felt you were open to other points of
view.
> If there's a concerted group effort, it seems to be between you,
> peanut and Ray. The three of you are attempting to make the rest of us
> believe that Ray's words have no impact on the rest of the world.
Whow... I haven't said that Ray's words have no impact. But, as you
yourself just said above... there's nothing illegal about what he says.
(usually...) What I've been saying is that when someone claims to have
"the goods" on Ray and has an ability to "nail him" in court... I ask
what they are waiting on. If they've got the goods and they can win
against Ray in court... why haven't they at least filed a case against
him?
> Lori
chocola...@aol.com
dracozna wrote:
> chocola...@aol.com wrote:
> > dracozna wrote:
> >> Odious wrote:
> >>>> ask... Why DIDN'T this "Mrs. Ryan" **GET** Ray into a courtroom? What was
> >>>> she waiting for? What is "we" waiting for, if "we" claims to have the
> >>>> goods to get Ray into court? Why is it that "we" claims to have so much
> >>>> evidence, but isn't willing to use it?
> >
> >>> Pretty simple really... if they filed a case against gordo in their homes
> >>> state, it would be tossed for jurisdictional issues. They'd have to travel
> >>> to gordo's state and sue him there. And since they were on the prosecution
> >>> side, they'd have little chance of recovering those costs.
> >>>
> >>> Whereas if they wait for gordo to sue them, and respond with their info from
> >>> a defensive position they'll win, cross claim, and win that too.
> >>>
> >>> Though I expect you'll just repeat yourself again and act as if I never
> >>> answered your question.
> >
> >> Thanks. That explains some things.
> >
> > It explains nothing..only that whoever was 'pretending' to be Jack
> > thought it through beforehand...any takers... Odious?
> >
> > Peanut
> >
>
> To me it does.
What I meant by that is that the 'story' could of been thought through
before hand..
Peanut
Johannes Seppi
In theory, yes. But when you get thousands of readers, it may become
very hard to check their identity. And if a certain somebody manages
to slip through the controls, you could block IPs (which has been done
and also affects the "innocent") or give it up. It seems that an
explicit wish of the owner that certain people are not allowed to
connect to his server cannot be enforced legally.
Johannes
speeding
That wouldn't be any different public or private. The only thing that
changes between publically viewable versus privately viewable posts is
that you can see one without logging in... and you have to log in to see
the other. The exact same deals with identity checks and unwanted posters
would apply to private as much as public forums.
SameAsB4
Don't think me rude, but I must say that I resent you because you have a
vagina. I am so jealous. I am a 54 year old slightly obese gay male that
does not have money for a sex change operation. I am a pre-op transexual.
Vagina intimidate me. Could you stuff a sock in your panties or
something. I am quite intimidated by you, child.
Once again, I do apologize for my vagina envy. Pre-op queens like me are
so petty and ugly.
++SameAsB4
Lori Koonce
SameAsB4 wrote:
> Hi Lori,
>
> Don't think me rude, but I must say that I resent you because you have a
> vagina. I am so jealous. I am a 54 year old slightly obese gay male that
> does not have money for a sex change operation. I am a pre-op transexual.
>
> Vagina intimidate me. Could you stuff a sock in your panties or
> something. I am quite intimidated by you, child.
>
> Once again, I do apologize for my vagina envy. Pre-op queens like me are
> so petty and ugly.
>
> ++SameAsB4
>
Hey I totally understand your POV. I'm from San Francisco and have had
people like you hate me for just about the same thing, so I'm used to
it.
I'm just thankful it's only resentment. That tends to keep a person
from acting out.
As to your solution, I'm really glad to be a WOMAN, and not ready to
change it for you or anyone else in this universe. I'll try to tame my
inate womanness, but that's the best you're gonna get.
LOri
Krus T. Olfard
>
> As to your solution, I'm really glad to be a WOMAN, and not ready to
> change it for you or anyone else in this universe. I'll try to tame my
> inate womanness, but that's the best you're gonna get.
>
> LOri
>
Never ever tame your innate femininity, Lori.
Let it be wild and free and glory in it.
SameAsB4
Bless you child! It is shining examples of womanhood like you that makes
me so convinced that women are the better sex. More intelligent. More
expressive. More powerful (See if any dude could tolerate childbirth).
And generally more humane. Though I was born with a penis, I am destined
to have a vagina. I am a woman trapped in the body of a slightly obese man.
When I get enough money I will definitely have the operation. I know
many people probably tell you this, but you are an intelligent and very
articulate woman. Your boyfriend/husband/partner is very lucky to have
you in their life.
PorchMonkey4Life
"SameAsB4" <exeb...@yanospamhoo.com> wrote in message
news:dFhrh.1953$AG6.1212@trnddc06...
Poor thing, but you don't have to have money for a lot of things, for
example, if you cause an injury to yourself, there might be public funded
medical facilities that would finish up the transition for you at minimal
cost.
SameAsB4
My new mission in life is finding this publicly funding medical facility
and not repulsing the staff.
PorchMonkey4Life
It is monkeys and chickens that created the spectrum of animals on earth.
SameAsB4
It's cretins named SameAsB4
SameAsB4
The Demon Prince of Absurdity
The Secretary of HomIntern
The Secretary of HomIntern
> chocola...@aol.com wrote:
>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>
>>> Ask her if she remembers Jack Ryan, and then tell her about the
>>> harrassment of his widow that came from Ray.
>>
>> Yes, I remember 'Jack Ryan'...AKA 'Vince Runza'...AKA many
>> others......hehehe...it was all a lot of fun back then..
>>
>> Of course you don't expect me to believe that he was real do you?? Would
>> a 'real' doctor..a 'real married doctor' post under his 'real' name of
>> Dr Jack Ryan on Alt.seduction.fast! Ha! Oh, how I laughed at that! :)
>> Jack with the "I have expensive silverware in my house" conversations on
>> Usenet! Believe me Jack was not real....
>>
>>> Be sure to let her know that right around the time of Dr. Ryan's
>>> funeral, Ray was contacting funeral homes and newspapers in the area,
>>> trying to get information on the deceased, so he could use it to harass
>>> his widow.
>>
>> He was probably trying to find out if Jack was real or not...
>>
>> Be sure to remind her that Ray on more
>>> than one occasion sent threatening emails to Mrs. Ryan (we have copies
>>> in our posession, he had better hope he never gets us into a courtroom)
>>> and has consistently tried to maintain alternately that they
>>> "threatened" him, or they "never existed"
>>
>> Only got copies of emails to someone who did not exist??...umm..
>>
>>> Ask her why she'd want to defend someone who would do that sort of
>>> thing, and then remind her that if she is defending someone for their
>>> willfully committed actions, she is condoning and even approving those
>>> actions.
>>
>> Sorry, what did he do again?...I must have missed it...
>>
>>> Ask her if that is something she wants to be associated with.
>>
>> Associated with what? Oh, yes the emails to a non-existent person...
>>
>> Peanut
>
> And Peanut... while you're asking yourself these questions... which you
> answered, I think... ask one more...
>
> "we have copies in our posession, he had better hope he never gets us into
> a courtroom"
>
> ask... Why DIDN'T this "Mrs. Ryan" **GET** Ray into a courtroom? What was
> she waiting for? What is "we" waiting for, if "we" claims to have the
> goods to get Ray into court? Why is it that "we" claims to have so much
> evidence, but isn't willing to use it?
Going RL on people before they go RL on you is *k00ky* (i.e. a waste of
the court's time), and is often regarded as such by many judges, WRT
usenet stuff. What's on usenet should stay on usenet, or at least
online.
--
________________________________________________________________________
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COOSN-029-06-71069
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"The whining has just begun." -- John Wentzky
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"It's not nice to misrepresent Mother Nature."
http://www.lowgenius.net/kookway.htm
TEH WAY OF THE K00K
Never learn from your mistakes.
Always practice your mistakes; you may get them right.
Always pick on those smarter and tougher than you.
Always believe that only you know the TRVTH.
Never allow logic or reason get in the way of a good k00k.
When being overwhelmed by logic and reason: k00ksuit!
If you are going to be wrong, do it at the top of your lungs.
When caught in a lie: LIE!
When in doubt: Order the Crab Won Ton
Plagiarism is your friend. Use it.
Whenever contradicted; morph, start calling people names, and make false
accusations. Include the children of your target in your allegations,
even if they don't have any.
(06-Jun-05) When nobody else will listen, post to your own fan group.
(06-Jun-05) Obviously, since you have your own fan group, this must mean
that you have fans. Post prolifically to your fan group - you wouldn't
want to disappoint them!
(10-May-2005)Everyone reads usenet. Approval here means approval
everywhere.
Post numerous blank posts, or posts containing only a message id.
Post numerous copy&paste web articles from crackerpot websites.
Never forget to call kookologists "k00ks."
If there are several, call them "sockpuppets" too
When all else fails, accuse various and sundry kookologists of e-mailing
viruses to you. This is a sure-fire method of garnering sympathy and
ensuring that the General Public will always see things your way. An
especially effective sub-strategy here is to accuse them of infecting
you with the 'Sasser' worm via e-mail.
Quote notorious scientists or writers - it makes it look as if they
approve the drivel you are writing!
(9-Jul-05) Anytime your computer is infected with a virus, bogged down
by spyware, attacked over your internet connection, or otherwise suffers
from preventable problems, government agencies are responsible and are
trying to silence you and are monitoring your computer files.
Ignore all traffic signs and feel free to trespass, you don't have to
obey any rules.
Scare your enemies with lawsuits, police escorts and whines.
Always back up your empty (albeit noisy) threats with phony LARTs, false
police reports, and harassing letters to the FBI and other gubbermint
agencies.
Be vigilant in your redundancy. The more you repeat yourself, the more
likely others will believe you!
If you can't find anyone as crazy as yourself to support you in the
flamewars you start with the normal population, create sock puppets and
use anonymous remailers that shamelessly hang on every word you write.
(17-Mar-05) When dealing with law enforcement, remember that it is they
who have the problem, not you. Be sure to inform them of this at every
available opportunity, as they will surely appreciate your constructive
criticism. Be sure to make them aware that YOU KNOW YOUR RIGHTS! ("The
cops like that, when people know their rights. That way they don't have
to read them to you on the way to the station." - George Carlin)
The more your fake personalities adulate you, the more respect you'll
get!
When confronted with a reality that you don't like: Announce loudly
that you are departing, never to return as long as there's an Internet.
Come back in three or four days and claim you were drunk, hacked,
abducted by alience, or forged. Alternately you can just not even
mention your prior departure, and if anyone asks you about it, either
ignore them or respond with something along the lines of "YOUR NOT THE
BOSS OF ME! *PLONK*!" People really know you mean business then.
Always remain clueproof.
(20-Mar-05) Anyone who does not believe that you are the reincarnation
of [$DEITY_OR_PROPHET] is obviously an infidel lacking in faith whose
soul in in peril of everlasting damnation.
When responding to one line challenges, post paragraphs of rants and
screed in response.
Incoherency is not a roadblock to poasting.
Neither is illiteracy.
Delusions poasted often enough become fact.
Claim you will destroy <insert newsfroup> for attacking you.
When spnaked, send cmsg for Fanboi newsfroup(s).
Find your Lame, Use your Lame, Be your Lame!
Post Edit when the TRVTH hurts.
Always sneck the offending newsfroups.
Always poast pictures of yourself so you can be admired in all your k00ky
glory.
Always accuse others of the very acts you are guilty of.
Post lots of boasts about your high IQ and incredible talents.
(20-Mar-05) If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.
Anybody who fails to understand this is engaged in a deliberate campaign
of misinformation and character assassination.
Always <plonk> somebody just before replying the plonkee!
The k00k considers itself the most intelligent person in any
conversation, possibly on the planet. Other people are benighted and
ignorant, and have been waiting their whole lives for the k00k to rescue
them from intellectual darkness.
Write a self-published book and claim it a success. Bonus points for
comparing it to "Mein Kampf" and/or the Bible.
Declare yourself equal to a deity of your choice.
Claim that you've come from other planets.
Claim thousands of past lives.
Frothing complaints carry far more weight when you send them from
"legal@" some domain.
Nothing strikes terror into the hearts of your detractors more than
telling them that you're archiving their messages for possible use in
the future.
Never forget that everyone else posting to Usenet is a paid
disinformation agent looking to discredit you.
Usenet is governed by US law. If a poster in Romania killfiles you, he's
obviously violating your 1st Amendment rights and can be sued.
Every news admin in the world hangs out in NANAU, and they're just dying
to nuke the account of that meanyhead who just called you "fucknozzle".
Drop 'em a line - that's what they're there for, after all.
AUK will be closed down. Just you wait and see.
They've nuked hundreds of accounts in the name of free speech and
*yours* will be next.
The k00k will, without any trace of irony, lie, manipulate, impersonate,
censor, and declare themselves powerful in ways ranging from the ability
to have an account shut down to being God Herself, in order to convince
people that they are not liars, manipulators, censors, or insane.
Abuse women while telling how many hundreds you've loved. Nevermind that
you're one ugly motherfucker and that there were 30,000 femininas that
thought you were a scumbag with bad teeth.
Remember that your ko0ky klaims are 'facts', and that 'facts' do not
require proof.
Do not neglect to poast your responses to forums that the originator
doesn't read. This will make the people in that forum very impressed
with how you tear him to shreds without him being able to respond. They
like it even better if you are off-topic for that forum.
Keep in mind that lack of evidence supporting your konspiracy theory
actually _is_ evidence, of how effective the konspiracy is in hiding.
(06-Oct-05) When spanked, always retreat to the safety of the Ad
Hominem.
(04-Aug-2005) When spanked mercilessly for days on end, proving with
each poast just what an illiterate and ignorant fool you are, ALWAYS
claim ownership of [person(s),froup(s)]. This works on so many levels.
It inspires dread in your opponents that they will no longer be able to
poast in their home froup and that they will eventually have to pay
rent, to name just two.
Any problems with your poasts are the fault of the konspirators, who are
trying to stop you from preventing the extinction of humanity.
Konspiracies that are able to subvert whole governments are always unable
to silence konspiracy ko0ks.
The entire United States government is willing to spend millions of
dollars for the sole purpose of harassing you.
Hollywood is making movies based on your personal life.
Do not consult psychiatrists or other mental health professionals. They
are part of the konspiracy, and will sedate you and lock you away and
keep you drugged if you tell them the truth.
Numerology and Astrology are respectable sciences and are useful for
proving your case.
Everyone is Tim Hill, or David Green, or...
There is a fine line between trolling and kookery. Find that line and
cross it repeatedly. When you are killfiled and/or LARTed for net.abuse
as a result, claim victory. If you lose multiple accounts, this merely
proves that you are indeed a world-class troll, with a black-belt in
manipulation.
If you respond to every post someone else makes, they're obsessed. If
they respond to less than 1% of your posts, they're even more obsessed.
Publishing people's real names, addresses, and phone numbers when
there's no other way for you to come out of a flamewar with any dignity
is cool, and proves that you are a master of secret internet information
stores, and absolutely not to be fucked with.
Everyone is out to get you. You can put a stop to this by telling
everyone that they're out to get you at every available opportunity.
You are the only sane one.
Those that give you a hard time about morally bankrupt things you
yourself admit to are just persecutioners of the new inquisition.
Yelling in all caps and cursing at your detractors is debate. Your
detractors laughing at you with sarcastic remarks is obvious anger and
jealousy.
If doing something results in the loss of your account, legal hassles,
or blunt trauma injury, do it again. It always works better the second
time.
Asterisks, lots and lots of Asterisks.
Poking holes in kookscreed is stalking, and is a felony.
K00ks LOVE to "connect the dots". They are, of course, dots that only
the k00k can see.
"They laughed at Einstein, too!"
...with thanks to Aratzio, Dr. Flonkenstein, Dan Baldwin, Cujo, CJ
Osterwald, Jade, Bookman, and John Henry, of AUK. Meow. Original thread
at http://tinyurl.com/3fsho - some posts may not appear due to
x-no-archive headers. The spelling mistakes are intentional, dolt.
The Secretary of HomIntern
My name is Ying and I love horse ding-a-ling. I also love the crab
apples that they leave. I spread it all over my obese AIDS lesion filled
body. And gerbils ... they are my favorite. I love sticking them up my
jizz filled as$hole
I am Ying aka SameAsB4/TGOOS/Snarky/DPOA/Demon*/TSOH/a dozen other nyms
and I approved this message.
The God of Odd Statements
> "Lori Koonce" wrote:
<snipped>
>> If there's a concerted group effort, it seems to be between you, peanut
>> and Ray. The three of you are attempting to make the rest of us believe
>> that Ray's words have no impact on the rest of the world.
>
> Whow... I haven't said that Ray's words have no impact. But, as you
> yourself just said above... there's nothing illegal about what he says.
> (usually...) What I've been saying is that when someone claims to have
> "the goods" on Ray and has an ability to "nail him" in court... I ask what
> they are waiting on. If they've got the goods and they can win against Ray
> in court... why haven't they at least filed a case against him?
If they do that, they have to reveal themselves, meaning they have to be
prepared to win -- and with a "scorched-earth" attitude, to boot.
They'll need to be able to prove (conclusively, mind) that they need
restraining orders against him, in addition to their other claims, for
each of them. They may have his arse on the other things, but they may
not have it for that last, in each and every case. Proving that need can
be difficult, if some of them live, say, a thousand miles away from him.
Even then, a restraining order won't stop a determined/obsessed psycho
stalker before he kills someone.
--
________________________________________________________________________
Hail Eris! mhm 29x21; TM#5; Chung Convict #39
Demon Lord of Confusion
COOSN-029-06-71069
Supreme High Overlord of rec.radio.*
Chuck Lysaght: Tarred & Feathered!
"Fredbot == SameAsB4 == TGOOS
"You are stalking me, even after I thrashed ya." -- PorchMonkey4Life,
a veritable combination of Sherlock Holmes and Doc Savage for the 21st
Century. No, really. Would I lie? MID: <zaUqh.2972$E35.415@trnddc02>
"He unleashes a fecal explosion he time he posts. He uses so many nyms
because he gets beaten so easily and so convincingly in flame wars and
tries to hide behind nyms in the hopes of getting a fresh start. To bad
for him that his lameness keep shining through like a beacon for all
tards (e.g., SameAs$B4, Demon Spawn, Barbara's Pus$y, FredBot,
TGOOS, ......, etc)" -- Monkey-man identifies <jitter> as me, among
others, in broken English, in MID: <Z_Xqh.3167$E35.215@trnddc02>
"Q: What do you call someone in the White House who is honest, caring,
and well-read?
A: A tourist." -- Anonymous
"It would be offly hard for any of you to abuse me on usenet. Really. I
have the advantage. I could easily turn alt.usenet.kooks into a cesspool
of encoded posts. Bringing the noise ratio up so high as to make the
group worthless. Anybody who can code could do this, why nobody has
bothered before now is beyond me. The ultimate spamming engine..
'BAWAHAHA'" -- Dustbin "Outer Filth" K00k's delusions of grandeur
reached new heights, in Message-ID:
<Xns98355D29419...@69.28.186.121>
"Immorality: The morality of those who are having a better time." -- H.
L. Mencken
"Consider that language a moment. 'Purposefully and materially
supported hostilities against the United States' is in the eye of the
beholder, and this administration has proven itself to be astonishingly
impatient with criticism of any kind. The broad powers given to Bush by
this legislation allow him to capture, indefinitely detain, and refuse a
hearing to any American citizen who speaks out against Iraq or any other
part of the so-called 'War on Terror.'
"If you write a letter to the editor attacking Bush, you could be
deemed as purposefully and materially supporting hostilities against the
United States. If you organize or join a public demonstration against
Iraq, or against the administration, the same designation could befall
you. One dark-comedy aspect of the legislation is that senators or House
members who publicly disagree with Bush, criticize him, or organize
investigations into his dealings could be placed under the same
designation. In effect, Congress just gave Bush the power to lock them
up." -- William Rivers Pitt
"It has become clear in recent months that a critical mass of the American
people have seen through the lies of the Bush administration; with the
president's polls at an historic low, growing resistance to the war Iraq,
and the Democrats likely to take back the Congress in mid-term elections,
the Bush administration is on the ropes. And so it is particularly
worrying that President Bush has seen fit, at this juncture to, in effect,
declare himself dictator." -- Frank Morales
http://www.uruknet.biz/?p=m27769&hd=0&size=1&l=e&fark
"No man in History, including JESUS CHRIST, has directly revealed to
the World the SATANIC WEAPON used to enslave mankind -- INTELLECTUAL
THOUGHT!!" -- Ray Karczewski repeatedly proves his words in every post
he makes
SameAsB4
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:34:18 +0000, speeding did most oddly state:
>> "Lori Koonce" wrote:
> <snipped>
>>> If there's a concerted group effort, it seems to be between you, peanut
>>> and Ray. The three of you are attempting to make the rest of us believe
>>> that Ray's words have no impact on the rest of the world.
>> Whow... I haven't said that Ray's words have no impact. But, as you
>> yourself just said above... there's nothing illegal about what he says.
>> (usually...) What I've been saying is that when someone claims to have
>> "the goods" on Ray and has an ability to "nail him" in court... I ask what
>> they are waiting on. If they've got the goods and they can win against Ray
>> in court... why haven't they at least filed a case against him?
>
> If they do that, they have to reveal themselves, meaning they have to be
> prepared to win -- and with a "scorched-earth" attitude, to boot.
> They'll need to be able to prove (conclusively, mind) that they need
> restraining orders against him, in addition to their other claims, for
> each of them. They may have his arse on the other things, but they may
> not have it for that last, in each and every case. Proving that need can
> be difficult, if some of them live, say, a thousand miles away from him.
> Even then, a restraining order won't stop a determined/obsessed psycho
> stalker before he kills someone.
>
I'm still Ying. I'm still gay. I still love gerbils up my butt and
getting facials from horses. I am looking for a new bungbuddy . Odorous
Max$hitter is not working out. I am trolling for d1ck (human and
animal). My name is Ying and I approved this message.
The God of Odd Statements
oddly state:
> PorchMonkey4Life wrote:
>> "SameAsB4" wrote...
>>> PorchMonkey4Life wrote:
>>>> "SameAsB4" wrote...
Doesn't my pet Monkey-man dance well? See my .sig for details on the
above multiply-nominated k00k. And no, I'm not the yingsock SameAsB4,
either, regardless of Joxer's delusions to the contrary.