Lay Report! HB Ass gets her chick (and so does Maniac) -
special on swinging!
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This lay report is different from most of my others, as tonight
I talk about one of my GF's,  HB Ass, and our recent efforts
at swinging (ie. getting other chicks to come play with us
during sex), and a bit on the ups and downs of this scene.. as
it is an often asked topic here, but not talked about much in
detail.so here it is, a real life field report from Tokyo on
what happened when we tried to get chicks (and swap chicks
with other couples), ending with a wildly exciting and
successful evening swapping chicks with another couple. If
you are looking for regular one on one chick PU, then skip
this report, this isn't about that at all.. Constructive
comments/criticisms as usual welcome!

HB Ass (I just put some new pics of her in the Lounge), is
one of my GF's, and recently has been interested in trying
some new things. Recently, I set up an evening for her, to get
gang fucked by a few guys, and afterwards she found it a
really intense and sexually exciting evening. After that, we
talked about getting another girl to play with us, and HB ass
was interested in trying this also, she is not "bi", but was a bit
curious about it all. It was our first experience at attempting
anything like this, and we didn't really know anyone in the
scene, except for one of the guys who gang fucked her that
one night, who had been in a swing club in the western USA
a few years back with his GF.

As we didn't know anyone here in to this, we decided to go
the way of swingclubs/ads to find other interested couples.
We looked on the Internet, and found swing clubs in Japan,
but nothing in Tokyo really suitable (HB ass, though
Japanese,  doesn't like to fuck Japanese guys.chicks are ok
though). There are no swing clubs (yet) for
foreigners/Japanese in Tokyo. So we quickly gave up on that,
and looked at a personal ad newspaper that is popular among
the English speaking community in Tokyo, and found a few
ads there. We put in our own ad looking for single chicks
interested..no results..nothing.. So we moved on to the couple
swapping chicks ads instead. We answered them, and we
put in one of our own..saying that we were a straight couple
(Maniac doesn't do guys), but with my chick a bit "bi
curious", and were interested in meeting other like couples
for safe sex..etc".

We made an evening at Starbucks with the first couple, a
European guy, 30s, and a J-chick, 20s. Always the person
who answered our reply, in the ads, was the guy. The time
came to meet the couple, and they didn't show up at first, and
then showed up 30 minutes late. We met them, and the chick
looked really friendly and relaxed and game on.but the guy
had an absolutely terrified look on his face (Maniac guesses
the chick talked him into this, and he wasn't really game on).
We said we'll go get a coffee, and come back upstairs in a
minute. We got the coffee, came back..and they had
vanished. just like that (and I thought only chicks pulled
shit like this.guess couples do it too). HB ass was
disappointed to say the least.. so was I..we drank our coffee by
ourselves and went home.

We answered another ad, and then arranged to meet that
couple. Again, a foreign guy, and a J-chick, mid 20s./30s. We
get a call from the guy at the time, saying they are on their
way now. Then we get a call saying that his chick is late..
(but he didn't want to meet us by himself till she got
there).we wait more, then we get a call saying his chick has
turned off her cellphone, and he is sorry, he'll email
tomorrow. We never hear from them again.HB ass and
Maniac finish their coffee and go home. HB Ass is crushed.
I tell her wittingly, that this is what guys always face during
PU, and its normal..so lighten up. Now HB Ass starts to
understand things from our side of the fence ;-). She had
never known it was so difficult, with such bullshit to do
PU.well now she is starting to learn (though this isn't
strictly PU..actually, ads are easier..)..

After that, we get a reply from yet another couple. They are
older (mid late 30s), professional couple (one a businessman,
and the chick a well known national TV personality in Japan)
and claim to have done this sort of thing before in separate
relationships before they met each other. This time, I decide
to meet the guy (himself) just for a drink, to check him out,
and see that he is serious, so that HB ass doesn't suffer any
more rejection. So we meet at a bar one day after work, and
chat about what each chick is looking for..etc. Basically, his
chick is Bi-curious, and wants wild times, like HB ass does.. I
tell him our experiences so far with no shows, and he
promises this won't happen..etc. Sounds good so far..

It turns out that weekend that HB ass and myself had booked
a room in a hotel (this is where the HB Ass Lounge pics were
taken), so we told them to just come meet us there (so we dont
have to waste anymore time). They dont show up..their
cellphone is off. uh oh.   HB ass at this point is getting
used to rejection and being blown out stone coldly.now she
knows what its like to be on the receiving end of such
"treatment" from chicks ;-). She gets more sympathetic to the
guy's point of view during PU, as we talk about it waiting in
the hotel lobby.. ;-)

We get a message the next day saying that they had a fight
"about a different topic" on the way down, and that it was not
a good time to talk at the time, so he couldn't call. But then
he would really like to try again next weekend..

We agree (oops, an AFC move there, but I figured since its a
guy, and not a chick, its a bit different situation..anyways,
they did show up the next time..but...  the day of the meeting,
the guy starts emailing me the plan he wants to use to "catch"
his girl, and get her going "go to dinner, then go down to our
room in the hotel.etc". This sets off a HUGE alarm in my
head.. UH OH, he didn't tell her EXACTLY what this is
about! I write back very directly, asking him exactly what he
did/didn't tell her about the evening's plans, and get a reply
back saying that she only expects to go to dinner, and that we
are friends, and are very open minded sexually.

UH OH, Maniac is very doubtful, that this will work. he
hasn't done his groundwork..and a freakout is inevitable
here! Anyways, I write it down to "practice" PU, and inform
HB Ass of the whole situation. She agrees..next to impossible,
but lets try.. We meet the couple, they are very nice, the chick
has a very nice face, quite good body. I notice right away at
dinner, that this chick LEADS. She is the top, and he is the
bottom..no question about it. I go to work right away on the
chick, and try to figure out what she is all about (she likes
deciding, taking command).. thats good, HB might like her.
I am talking about our experiences at that adult party HB ass
and I go to some times, and she seems interested. The guy
(quite handsome, but a total AFC), is not really doing much
to direct things, and get her horny, so I am doing all the
work.. this is hard, because she doesn't know what her BF
has planned, and thinks somehow this is all strange (I
expected that actually). She also thought it strange, when we
invited the both of them back to our room and he didn't object
(she somehow expected him to.I could tell that she knew
something was up, but that she wasn't quite sure what it was).
She is a little nervous, but decides to go. In retrospect, before
going to the room, I should have just took her aside, and told
her directly, privately, since at least she could have known the
score, and acted one way or the other, rather than this
confused state she was in.

Though this is hopeless, I presevere, remembering what Mr.
Smooth said, to never give up until they actually get up and
leave (which is what I did). We get to the room, and I decide
to talk about the nice view, and start getting a bit close to HB
ass. The guy though isn't clueing in, and is not touching his
chick at all..this is bad, as I cannot touch her, as this will
certainly freak her out. This has become a solo show, and I
am not getting any help..not good. As I touch and play this
HB ass a bit more, and TV babe's BF is sitting in the chair
not doing anything, she is getting nervous, and wants to
leave.. they say thank you, and go.. no surprise there. HB
ass and I enjoy the evening to ourselves..

Now at this point, (well we actually did after couple #2, but
now we are sure) we do recognize a pattern here. What is
happening, is that the other couple's are not communicating
well or honestly with each other.. The guy (or the chick),
wants to swing, and has either dragged (unwillingly) the
other one into it, or in the last case just didn't tell the truth at
all as to what the evening was about.. this caused last minute
blowups at the end..as NYC would
say.groundwork..groundwork. also, you need to have a
close relationship with your partner for the two of you to
survive this sort of thing (ie. jealously, when she sees you
fucking another HB who she thinks is cuter than she
is..etc..etc).

After this, HB Ass and I change our system, and from then
we insisted to only meet couples who had done their
groundwork.. so from then on we asked directly that both
partners know exactly what this is about, clearly and
directly..that we will meet for coffee/drinks, and that there
will be sex afterwards if everyone likes each other, and that
the chicks will get swapped, and fucked by the guys.. For the
next ad reply, we did this.. It went better..

The next couple was from out of town, visiting Tokyo. The
guy was a foreigner living in Osaka, and a J-chick. They
seem into it, and he tells me the chick knows everything, and
that they've done it before. Cool. He also sends some mails
now and then to remind us..that is good. The day comes, and
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blah hahaha!

You won't believe how many J-chicks I have made do that window scene
just like in that movie! (I have the film here BTW, HB Ass said it was
the most erotic thing she ever saw, (or did) which is what
(eventually) lead to that evening by the window... and yes, I
made her do it..just like it was done in the film..over and over..,
though I think HB ass is better at it, than that actress was in the
original..).

Actually, that reminds me of something that Ms. Kinky told me
last week. We went to an Izakaya (Japanese beer bar), and I
made her take off her stockings so that I could finger her
under the bar and embarrass her a bit... she was reluctant..and
finally after I insisted so much (in the authoritarian Smooth way)
told me "you are really confident about yourself are you"..I say
"absolutely" while I stare right in her eyes..she goes off
does what I told her, and comes back..and says "thats why I like
you"...you know how to control a woman the way she wants to be
controlled..

Fuck man, chicks get off on this shit...I don't know why, but
they do..they want a man to control them, tell them what to
do, and take them to the edge... maybe zipjack can explain
further, shes a chick...but most go for this sort of shit,
like that scene in that movie..dunno why...

Maniac
http://www.pickupguide.com

On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:55:25 GMT noth...@nowhere.net (Video Fan) wrote:

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BTW, I would ask as a favor to all you guys, that pictures from
the lounge (this particular pic only went to the lounge, & zipjack),
stay there, and not get circulated around the net. I can't enforce
it, but I do ask you all on your honor. If you want a lounge PW,
post stuff, and ask nathan for a PW, and he will give you one.

Regrettably, if the pics do circulate, then I won't be able to
post any more or her, or other chicks to the lounge. As well,
others probably wont want to post either, which would result in lounge
quality going way down, or membership getting *really* restricted, or
even the site shutting down entirely if some ASF/lounge members cannot
be trusted..

I personally ask that no one circulate lounge pictures, or post
them on the internet, so that pics can continued to
be shared in the lounge.. otherwise that resource will regrettably go
away; and then no one will be able to use it..

Thanks;

Maniac
http://www.fastseduction.com (formhandle)
http://www.pickupguide.com (Maniac)
Tony's Lay girls site (forgot the address, its linked on my page)

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Video fan writes;

Uh no,.. my pics clearly show the shinagawa skyline of Tokyo, where
we shot the scene,. and HB ass has long hair..

The movie scene
(similar), was shot in the Ikebukero area of Tokyo.., Sunshine 60, and
other building landmarks in Ikebukero are clearly visible in the film,
which are not in Shinagawa where we were...

As well, the chick in the film wears a garter, a corset, and has short
greased hair, whereas mine does not in the pics... (details details
;-) )

 .. in other words..they're real dude...

heh heh.. the posts are TOTALLY real... Obviously you have never dated
J-chicks out here ;-)

Maniac

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Some Guy Writes:

blah hahaha!

Actually, that reminds me of something that Ms. Kinky told me
last week. We went to an Izakaya (Japanese beer bar), and I
made her take off her stockings so that I could finger her
under the bar and embarrass her a bit... she was reluctant..and
finally after I insisted so much (in the authoritarian Smooth way)
told me "you are really confident about yourself are you"..I say
"absolutely" while I stare right in her eyes..she goes off
does what I told her, and comes back..and says "thats why I like
you"...you know how to control a woman the way she wants to be
controlled..
Fuck man, chicks get off on this shit...I don't know why, but
they do..they want a man to control them, tell them what to
do, and take them to the edge... maybe zipjack can explain
further, shes a chick...but most go for this sort of shit,
like that scene in that movie..dunno why...

<--------You'd think you invented the wheel the way you write.  This is
nothing new.  I was into d/s for almost three years off and on before I
repudiated it.  If you want sex with beautiful women, you'll get it, but
the lifestyle doesn't lend itself to healthy long-term relationships,
which is why I got out of it.  

If you think dominating a woman is a big seduction accomplishment you're
still in elementary school at this "class."

Outfoxing The Foxes: How To Seduce The Women Of Your Dreams
http://www.cybersheet.com/fox/index.html

"I ain't gonna play Sun City!"  -- Stevie Wonder

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Some Guy Writes:

BTW, I would ask as a favor to all you guys, that pictures from
the lounge (this particular pic only went to the lounge, & zipjack),
stay there, and not get circulated around the net. I can't enforce
it, but I do ask you all on your honor. If you want a lounge PW,
post stuff, and ask nathan for a PW, and he will give you one.

<---------Can't handle the TRUTH?  

Regrettably, if the pics do circulate, then I won't be able to
post any more or her, or other chicks to the lounge. As well,
others probably wont want to post either, which would result in lounge
quality going way down, or membership getting *really* restricted, or
even the site shutting down entirely if some ASF/lounge members cannot
be trusted..

<---------Women have a right to know what their men are REALLY
like......what if your wingman is a PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR?  To say you
BOYS are STUPID is an understatement.  

I personally ask that no one circulate lounge pictures, or post them on
the internet, so that pics can continued to be shared in the lounge..
otherwise that resource will regrettably go away; and then no one will be
able to use it..

<--------So in other words, you do well with women as long as there's no
chance of the woman finding out what you are really like.

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LOL you're your own best parody!

Dan

Michael... You seem to forget that Roy will claim that anything in any
FAQ is malicious slander, and distortions of the truth, and therefore
incapable of painting a true, accurate picture of him...

I know a couple of people who would be completely willing and able to
take the existing FAQ and rework it to take Roy's comments directly from
his own posts and website. I've been asked about the CUPID rating
system, but I don't know where to find a source, and I don't want to
become involved in the project, lest Roy try to claim I'm responsible
for it. I can do without a Raving Psychotic stalking me...

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   is that Shift happens...

  (Reverse "oohay" to reply.)

Well you should have seen the fit ray threw when I posted this pic of his
mom....

news://news/38AA56BE.8491A7F2%40home.com?part=1.2

I don't know who to pity more, ray or his mommy.

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