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Spano
What if, after utilizing fluffing and eliciting values, she starts giving
you the puppy-dog eyes. . . but rather than talking about the bedroom, she
starts bringing up what size diamond she wants on her finger; starts
talking about "settling down"!
User3247
It means you've got her attention. Women are biologically geared toward
LTR and marriage. If a woman is talking about it, then she's interested
in you. She's trying to elicit YOUR values, deciding if you're worthy of
fucking. So, in her mind you need to link the subjects of "settling
down" and sex. Let her know that sure, you're hoping to find a woman
with whom you'd like to spend the rest of your life, but you're not going
to rush things. You're not going to get married just for the sake of
getting married because when you do say "I do", you want it to last
forever. Start talking about all of the qualities you want in a future
wife, how she has to be fun loving and enjoy some of the things you
enjoy, etc., but most importantly, how she has to be great in bed. Go
into detail of how you want a woman who is both very sensual and very
sexual, and who isn't afraid to be bold when it comes to pleasing her
man. Congratulations, you've just steered the conversation from "settling
down" to "going down". Now she has a challenge. You've made yourself a
prize for which she has to compete, and you know how competetive women
can be. She will be practically begging for a chance to show you how
sensual and sexual she can be.
LeModernCaveman
>> giving you the puppy-dog eyes. . . but rather than talking about the
>> bedroom, she starts bringing up what size diamond she wants on her
>> finger; starts talking about "settling down"!
>
>It means you've got her attention. Women are biologically geared toward
>LTR and marriage. If a woman is talking about it, then she's interested
>in you. She's trying to elicit YOUR values, deciding if you're worthy of
>fucking. So, in her mind you need to link the subjects of "settling
>down" and sex.
Isn't this misleading her into thinking that she has a chance at an LTR when
she really is just going to be a short-term "lay?"
Is a woman such a passive instrument that despite her "programming" for an LTR
she can wind up happy with an "MLTR?"
>Let her know that sure, you're hoping to find a woman
>with whom you'd like to spend the rest of your life, but you're not going
>to rush things.
Except to the bedroom.....the woman can play this game too, and that's what I
talk about when I say that women who have premartial sex can not avoid being
played, because the end result is the same: their youth winds up spent on men
who won't hang around after their looks go.
The man who goes from one lay to another in hope of finding his "soulmate"
isn't going to inspire much confidence.
I wrote about the "challenge fox" back in 1998: a "challenge fox" is a woman
who only wants to tame a guy, and this can be exploited by a player who lets
her think she "might" tame him. It punishes the nice guy who would be more
honest about why he wants her, which leaves her in the unique position of
choosing the guy least likely to commit to her because he was least honest
about his intentions.
It's no different than a woman saying she *might* sleep with a guy if he treats
her well (i.e., spends money on her, waits, etc.). The AFC buys into this the
way the hottie buys into the challenge fox. That doesn't mean she should,
however.
>You're not going to get married just for the sake of
>getting married because when you do say "I do", you want it to last
>forever.
And when she has sex, she wants it to be with the man she marries. What do you
do if she out-and-out refuses to have premarital sex?
What does she do if she doesn't?
More and more, I see the player issue boiling down to a debate on premarital
sex, and how the guys say they need it because of biased marriage laws, while
the women say they hate being played, but continue to do the one thing that
makes it possible for them to be played.
I have yet to see the arrangement where a woman can engage in premarital sex
and actually have it help her find a husband, unless she's willing to practice
serial monogamy and risk being abandoned in her old age.
>Start talking about all of the qualities you want in a future
>wife, how she has to be fun loving and enjoy some of the things you
>enjoy, etc., but most importantly, how she has to be great in bed.
So her "spend money on me and I might fuck you" is replaced by his "fuck me and
I might marry you."
This just shifts all the risk to the female, because the guy is assured of
getting what he wants, while the woman is not.
>Go
>into detail of how you want a woman who is both very sensual and very
>sexual, and who isn't afraid to be bold when it comes to pleasing her
>man.
What happens when her looks go?
>Congratulations, you've just steered the conversation from "settling
>down" to "going down". Now she has a challenge.
Yes, she's a "challenge fox," as I explained five years ago to my audience.
I specifically told men that once they stopped being "whining nice guys" and
got the hotties, that the challenge foxes would show up asking him to "give
women a chance."
It'll also be the #1 technique for 2004-2008 as these methods proliferate.
First was utter denial that these methods work; the media will fix that this
year. The smart players will capitalize on this by talking about how RELUCTANT
they were to be players, and would have loved to have settled down into a nice
relationship, but they couldn't do it because of how "women" are. The
challenge foxes will jump on this....until they read what a challenge fox is,
and the next phase will take over.
Given how stupid most hotties are, this won't happen immediately, but it will
be the next step after the mainstream picks up on the player methods.
What's a hottie going to do if a man is sincerely opening up to her and
complaining about how he doesn't WANT to have no-strings sex with all those
hotties, but he's been "forced" to do so.
Even worse, when the challenge fox gets into a relationship, no matter what she
does, the player can say "this is not equal to what I had when I was a player"
and either she comes across or he uses her as "proof" that he "has to" be a
player.
>You've made yourself a
>prize for which she has to compete,
He's an APPARENT prize. What he really is, is a guy who's trying to scheme her
into bed and slip through her radar that supposed to detect men who don't want
to marry her.
>and you know how competetive women
>can be.
They can also be vindictive if they find out they were being lied to or played.
>She will be practically begging for a chance to show you how
>sensual and sexual she can be.
And she'll be pissed as hell if she ever learns that she was essentially
tricked into being that way, or PLAYED.
I've been getting challenge foxes for several years now and have extensive
experience in dealing with the mentality. For a one-dimensional strategy, it's
very effective, but it's not something that's going to make her happy. Rather,
it's typical of player methods in that the guy will get what he wants, at the
expense of what she wants, and she'll be able to say her intentions were good,
even if she was proven to be quite stupid.
LeModernCaveman
People, forgive JJT his folly.
He's trying to provoke me because he's too much of a wimp to act on his
feelings in any other way.
He's such a wimp that he can't assert what little manhood he has any other way,
and the internet is the only place he can get away with such mouthing off.
He's one of those bitter AFC chumps who can't handle the truth about women
being posted online.
User3247
>>> What if, after utilizing fluffing and eliciting values, she starts
>>> giving you the puppy-dog eyes. . . but rather than talking about the
>>> bedroom, she starts bringing up what size diamond she wants on her
>>> finger; starts talking about "settling down"!
>>
>>It means you've got her attention. Women are biologically geared
>>toward LTR and marriage. If a woman is talking about it, then she's
>>interested in you. She's trying to elicit YOUR values, deciding if
>>you're worthy of fucking. So, in her mind you need to link the
>>subjects of "settling down" and sex.
>
> Isn't this misleading her into thinking that she has a chance at an
> LTR when she really is just going to be a short-term "lay?"
Now, here we have Gordon turning this thread off-topic. The name of the
group is alt.seduction.FAST. Gordon has a problem with reading
comprehension, as proven by his insistance on harping against fast
seduction.
All this after the past few weeks of Gordon going on and on about staying
"on-topic".
Is it any wonder why no one takes him seriously?
LeModernCaveman
>>>toward LTR and marriage. If a woman is talking about it, then she's
>>>interested in you. She's trying to elicit YOUR values, deciding if
>>>you're worthy of fucking. So, in her mind you need to link the
>>>subjects of "settling down" and sex.
>>
>> Isn't this misleading her into thinking that she has a chance at an
>> LTR when she really is just going to be a short-term "lay?"
>
>Now, here we have Gordon turning this thread off-topic. The name of the
>group is alt.seduction.FAST. Gordon has a problem with reading
>comprehension, as proven by his insistance on harping against fast
>seduction.
More like showing that the fast seduction is against what the female wants.
>All this after the past few weeks of Gordon going on and on about staying
>"on-topic".
>
>Is it any wonder why no one takes him seriously?
You seem to take me QUITE seriously.
User3247
>>>>It means you've got her attention. Women are biologically geared
>>>>toward LTR and marriage. If a woman is talking about it, then she's
>>>>interested in you. She's trying to elicit YOUR values, deciding if
>>>>you're worthy of fucking. So, in her mind you need to link the
>>>>subjects of "settling down" and sex.
>>>
>>> Isn't this misleading her into thinking that she has a chance at an
>>> LTR when she really is just going to be a short-term "lay?"
>>
>>Now, here we have Gordon turning this thread off-topic. The name of
>>the group is alt.seduction.FAST. Gordon has a problem with reading
>>comprehension, as proven by his insistance on harping against fast
>>seduction.
>
> More like showing that the fast seduction is against what the female
> wants.
Even MORE proof that Gordon has no knowledge of the real world.
News Flash for you Gordon: WOMEN LIKE SEX! WOMEN WANT SEX! WOMEN WANT TO
GET LAID! WOMEN WANT TO GET FUCKED!
Just because women don't want to get fucked by YOU doesn't mean they
don't want to get fucked. Your experience is NOT universal.
>>All this after the past few weeks of Gordon going on and on about
>>staying "on-topic".
>>
>>Is it any wonder why no one takes him seriously?
>
> You seem to take me QUITE seriously.
What makes you think so? Can't you hear me laughing?
ASFinfo
Hmmm, looks like the poster is deliberately trying to provoke someone into
doing something illegal.
It might appear to many that the comments to which the poster was responding
to are completely accurate.
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>
> <snip>
That's all you do. Somebody needs to snip your head off.
You cut out all the stuff that folks post blasting your bullshit
to smithereens, because your tender girlie-ego just can't handle
seeing anyone telling you that you are the pussyboy that everyone
knows you are.
You need a good ass kicking. Keep this shit up and you'll get one.
> People, forgive JJT his folly.
>
> He's trying to provoke me because he's too much of a wimp
> to act on his feelings in any other way.
Pussyboy Ray-ray wants everyone to think he's some big bad ass dude
who can handle anyone coming at him, but he shits his lace panties
and whines about being threatened when he gets someone willing to
take his ass down.
Someday you're gonna step outside that housing project you live in,
and you're gonna find out what its like to have a confrontation, you
weak-willed asswipe. And you ain't gonna have nobody to blame but
your own big mouth. You do nothing but talk a big game, but you run
like a wimp-ass pussy every time.
You are such a coward.
> He's such a wimp that he can't assert what little manhood
> he has any other way, and the internet is the only place he
> can get away with such mouthing off.
Let's see you mouth off like this when you have someone right in
your ugly ass face, you scabby little psychopathic freak. At least
that dude has offered to back up his mouth, while you whine and cry
and foam at the mouth about big bad MEN threatening you. You need
to be tied up and beaten with a firehose. By a New York Firefighter.
Your 9/11 spew is going to come back and bite you in the face.
What a putrid waste of snake shit you are. You should face some jail
time for your attempt to impersonate a man, you ridiculous little
mascara face-painted Jerkoff-In-The-Box. It's easy to see why you
are celibate, you cantankerous, foul-tempered, self-loathing nobody.
And if you keep opening your pussy mouth, and threatening your
betters, one of these days you're going to find out what vigilante
justice means. With a pool cue shoved up your ass.
> He's one of those bitter AFC chumps who can't handle the
> truth about women being posted online.
You bring all of this down on your own head, you simpleminded moron.
Your momma gave birth to the biggest coward on the planet the day
she partially aborted that festering pile of shit that became you.
Go ahead, take this as a threat, and you'll find out what happens
to cowardly little assholes like you, when you fuck with the wrong
people. You ain't got what it takes to be a man and back up your
pussyboy mouth. You bring it all on yourself.
Not even a dildo would want to fuck you. You're vomit-inducing
fugly.
You have a face that would give Freddie Kruger nightmares. You are a
cerebrally-deluded, sociopathic, herpes-infested, pseudo-
intellectual
nerdturd with a head full of misfiring synapses. Now, you little
ankle
humping hermit, do everybody a favour and go take a nap on a busy
train
track.
Spano
Comments appreciated. It's a shame Gorden's post killed the discussion
before it got started.
ASFinfo
Again the poster makes a very particular interpretation when other
interpretations are available and more likely.
He is considered to be such a nuisance that an entire alt.seduction.fast
website and forum community was started to give people an alternative
place to discuss seduction where they won't be bothered by his
mentally-ill motivated behavior.
User3247
You're quite welcome. Thanks to Gordon this place has become a dump. You
should post any further questions you have to the moderated ASF over on
Formhandle's site. Gordon is quite frustrated that he can't kill
discussions over there.
ASFinfo
Hmmm, looks like the poster is deliberately trying to provoke someone into
doing something illegal.
It might appear to many that the comments to which the poster was responding
to are completely accurate.
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LeModernCaveman
>> wants.
>
>Even MORE proof that Gordon has no knowledge of the real world.
>
>News Flash for you Gordon: WOMEN LIKE SEX! WOMEN WANT SEX! WOMEN WANT TO
>GET LAID! WOMEN WANT TO GET FUCKED!
Women DON'T want to be lied to!
Women DON'T want to be abandoned!
Women DON'T want to be cheated on!!!
>Just because women don't want to get fucked by YOU doesn't mean they
>don't want to get fucked. Your experience is NOT universal.
Notice how he has to slip in the false premise while providing no proof of his
own prowess.
Did your daughter's classmates find these websites yet so they can learn how to
give her all these wonderful experiences?
>>>All this after the past few weeks of Gordon going on and on about
>>>staying "on-topic".
>>>
>>>Is it any wonder why no one takes him seriously?
>>
>> You seem to take me QUITE seriously.
>
>What makes you think so? Can't you hear me laughing?
You keep laughing, I'll just keep on with the lawsuit;
You won't be laughing when all is said and done.
ASFinfo
>
> >> More like showing that the fast seduction is against what the female
> >> wants.
> >
> >Even MORE proof that Gordon has no knowledge of the real world.
> >
> >News Flash for you Gordon: WOMEN LIKE SEX! WOMEN WANT SEX! WOMEN WANT TO
> >GET LAID! WOMEN WANT TO GET FUCKED!
>
> Women DON'T want to be lied to!
> Women DON'T want to be abandoned!
> Women DON'T want to be cheated on!!!
Coming from a 37 year old man who considers women to be unworthy of a
relationship once they hit 22. If that doesn't lead to abandonment
I wonder what does.
>
> >Just because women don't want to get fucked by YOU doesn't mean they
> >don't want to get fucked. Your experience is NOT universal.
>
> Notice how he has to slip in the false premise while providing no proof of his
> own prowess.
>
> Did your daughter's classmates find these websites yet so they can learn how to
> give her all these wonderful experiences?
>
> >>>All this after the past few weeks of Gordon going on and on about
> >>>staying "on-topic".
> >>>
> >>>Is it any wonder why no one takes him seriously?
> >>
> >> You seem to take me QUITE seriously.
> >
> >What makes you think so? Can't you hear me laughing?
>
> You keep laughing, I'll just keep on with the lawsuit;
>
> You won't be laughing when all is said and done.
If we all had a nickel for every time the poster has said things to
this extent! Just wait... for the future!
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