OK, I know it does, but what? How? Why? If you were to spend some cash on some useful material, what would be best bang for the buck? Are there any courses/books/videos etc that really are helpful?
I mean, all you really need to do is go out there and be social interactive and work on your game. If you know how to evaluate, review and learn, you'll improve. It's like anything else.
What I'm really asking for is the methods. What are the 10 most important things to do? I guess I'm looking for the step-by-step-guide. Sort of concentrate on oth thing at a time.
"MegaGimp" <roar.soe...@datapower.no> wrote: >OK, I know it does, but what? How? Why? If you were to spend some cash >on some useful material, what would be best bang for the buck? Are >there any courses/books/videos etc that really are helpful?
>I mean, all you really need to do is go out there and be social >interactive and work on your game. If you know how to evaluate, review >and learn, you'll improve. It's like anything else.
>What I'm really asking for is the methods. What are the 10 most >important things to do? I guess I'm looking for the step-by-step-guide. >Sort of concentrate on oth thing at a time.
The best bang for the buck? - obviously the free stuff. Do a search for "newbies guide to seduction" all of the popular sites have one, there will be enough info to be working with until you've identified which 'school' you'll get on with best. Concentrate on one thing at a time, (just like you said) start with your approach and identify and eliminate weaknesses as you go along.
Get out there and take action, don't become a seminar junkie who spends all of his time and money learning theory and never puts it into action.
Don't be afraid to screw up, it happens to all of us. Learn that there are plenty of opportunities out there and move away from the scarcity mentality.
My favorite exercises/techniques 3 second rule David Shades eye contact experiment Svengalis newbie mission.
I'm new to this as well. I've always had a HORRIBLE time with this stuff but I'm in agreement with Varjak's favorites. I was doing the eye contact experiment last night at a crowded club I was at to watch a band play (and even got a # in the process.)
> "MegaGimp" <roar.soe...@datapower.no> wrote: > >OK, I know it does, but what? How? Why? If you were to spend some cash > >on some useful material, what would be best bang for the buck? Are > >there any courses/books/videos etc that really are helpful?
> >I mean, all you really need to do is go out there and be social > >interactive and work on your game. If you know how to evaluate, review > >and learn, you'll improve. It's like anything else.
> >What I'm really asking for is the methods. What are the 10 most > >important things to do? I guess I'm looking for the step-by-step-guide. > >Sort of concentrate on oth thing at a time.The best bang for the buck? - obviously the free stuff. Do a search for > "newbies guide to seduction" all of the popular sites have one, there will be > enough info to be working with until you've identified which 'school' you'll > get on with best. Concentrate on one thing at a time, (just like you said) > start with your approach and identify and eliminate weaknesses as you go along.
> Get out there and take action, don't become a seminar junkie who spends all of > his time and money learning theory and never puts it into action.
> Don't be afraid to screw up, it happens to all of us. Learn that there are > plenty of opportunities out there and move away from the scarcity mentality.
> My favorite exercises/techniques > 3 second rule > David Shades eye contact experiment > Svengalis newbie mission.
in article 1165836744.764638.200...@f1g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, MegaGimp at roar.soe...@datapower.no wrote on 12/11/06 6:32 AM:
> OK, I know it does, but what? How? Why? If you were to spend some cash > on some useful material, what would be best bang for the buck? Are > there any courses/books/videos etc that really are helpful?
> I mean, all you really need to do is go out there and be social > interactive and work on your game. If you know how to evaluate, review > and learn, you'll improve. It's like anything else.
> What I'm really asking for is the methods. What are the 10 most > important things to do? I guess I'm looking for the step-by-step-guide. > Sort of concentrate on oth thing at a time.
> OK, I know it does, but what? How? Why? If you were to spend some cash > on some useful material, what would be best bang for the buck? Are > there any courses/books/videos etc that really are helpful?
> I mean, all you really need to do is go out there and be social > interactive and work on your game. If you know how to evaluate, review > and learn, you'll improve. It's like anything else.
> What I'm really asking for is the methods. What are the 10 most > important things to do? I guess I'm looking for the step-by-step-guide. > Sort of concentrate on oth thing at a time.
check out all the free stuff before even considering spending $$... you will probably find that you do not need to spend anything to gain the information that will get you started
-- Krustavus Teofilus Olfard
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> OK, I know it does, but what? How? Why? If you were to spend some cash > on some useful material, what would be best bang for the buck? Are > there any courses/books/videos etc that really are helpful?
Why would you buy anything?
> I mean, all you really need to do is go out there and be social > interactive and work on your game. If you know how to evaluate, review > and learn, you'll improve. It's like anything else.
But you'll learn even faster if you can learn from your mistakes AND from other people's as well. And you'll learn even faster if oyu can learn from your successes AND from other people's as well.
That's the idea behind having a community... we can all learn from one another. And not have to spend a dime doing so.
> What I'm really asking for is the methods. What are the 10 most > important things to do? I guess I'm looking for the step-by-step-guide. > Sort of concentrate on oth thing at a time.
Well... now that's the real question... where to start.
Run the newbie mission first. Go out four times a week, for four weeks, four hours each time, and talk to four women per hour.. not trying to pickup, not looking for HBs only... just women... young old, UG HB, whatever... so long as they qualify as women. And talk to them. Just get used to talking to them and finding out what they talk about and such.
Learn to make eye contact. Run the eye contact mission. Go out and make lots of EC... find out what ECs work best for you.
That's enough to keep you busy. By the time you've done those... you'll know the other 8 things you want to look into all on your own.
-- She wants to meet a man and God dammit! I am a man! == Scruff
> But you'll learn even faster if you can learn from your mistakes AND from > other people's as well. And you'll learn even faster if oyu can learn > from your successes AND from other people's as well.
> That's the idea behind having a community... we can all learn from one > another. And not have to spend a dime doing so.
OK. I'll try to do some homework this weekend.
> Run the newbie mission first. Go out four times a week, for four weeks, > four hours each time, and talk to four women per hour.. not trying to > pickup, not looking for HBs only... just women... young old, UG HB, > whatever... so long as they qualify as women. And talk to them. Just get > used to talking to them and finding out what they talk about and such.
OK. I'll do that. I was out last saturday, but problem is f*cking loud music, very hard to talk. I live in a very small place and it's the only place to go. A new place is about to open soon... I also got very drunk, I was exausted helping my ex moving out...I talked to some girls, but I didn't want to take it any far b/c the state I was in.
> Learn to make eye contact. Run the eye contact mission. Go out and make > lots of EC... find out what ECs work best for you.
Yes. I read about this trick and I realized I've been doing this for quite some time now. I'll try to perfect it.
I think I am some kind of RAFC. I've read some Ebooks and threads on forums, and I know "all the stuff", but I'm not so sure on how to put it into use. There seem to be slightly different wasw, so I guess I'll have to experiment a bit. Thanks, guys!
On Dec 12, 12:32 am, "MegaGimp" <roar.soe...@datapower.no> wrote:
> OK, I know it does, but what? How? Why? If you were to spend some cash > on some useful material, what would be best bang for the buck? Are > there any courses/books/videos etc that really are helpful?
> I mean, all you really need to do is go out there and be social > interactive and work on your game. If you know how to evaluate, review > and learn, you'll improve. It's like anything else.
> What I'm really asking for is the methods. What are the 10 most > important things to do? I guess I'm looking for the step-by-step-guide. > Sort of concentrate on oth thing at a time.
Best bang for your buck is obviously anything free, best bang for your buck of those which are not free I'd say is the VAH
Here, follow dman's guide for an AFC which I wrote out a little while ago:
This has all been so far merely background in trying to prepare your mind to properly learn PU (pick up), for this I'd advise starting of by learning only one of the "schools of thought" (as I'll call it). But with so many to choose from which pick up guru should you choose? My personal favourite is Mystery, because his ideas and logical way of analysis are very much similar to my own. Recently I've taken a liking to Juggler as well, he may yet overtake Mystery as my number one pua...
Is an old copy of what he used to say, even though he has greatly improved on this I'd still suggest reading this. It gives a short complete overview of everything that he once taught, then when you read the Venusian Arts Handbook you will already have a basic framework in your head on which to attach all the new ideas too. Which leads me onto the second part, read the Venusian Arts Handbook (http://www.mysterymethod.com/MM-Products.aspx?action=goto&catid=2). Plus read the Online Apprenticeship Program whenever they come into your inbox (sign up at mysterymethod.com).
Here is that other guy who I'm liking more and more at the moment, Juggler who has an ebook called "How to Meet and Connect with Women ". http://charismaarts.com/products/howtobe
Something else for some even lighter and more fun reading (plus this is the book that caused the current BOOM in interest about the seduction community): http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060554738/ref=nosim/fastseduc... (also available from your local Borders store etc... is where my brother got it for me as a birthday present!)
Don't forget to be asking questions as you are reading through this, as well as asking myself about anything I'd also suggest aklair, seductionbb.com, and mysterymethod.com/forum as the best places to go to for asking your questions.
Final word of advice, the best place to learn is in the field! Get on out there, you don't need to go all the way through this to the very end of the Venusian Arts Handbook before you do your first approach. In fact to do that would be a very BAD idea. Hopefully you will even get your first new lay long before you finish reading all this.
> Learn to make eye contact. Run the eye contact mission. Go out and make > lots of EC... find out what ECs work best for you.
But on Mon, Dec 11 2006 10:57 pm he wrote:
> Oh... also... something new I learned and will have to experiment > with.... Eye contact... Instead of looking AT someone... looking INTO > their eyes... focus about a foot BEHIND them... like... you guessed it... > you are looking THROUGH them. Seems that it works best if you do it > shortly after you've started a rapport with a gal... act like you can see > right into her. I even had one mention that she felt like I could see > right through her.
Oy oy oy . . . the blind leading the blind.
I guess by 1:51 am he had already forgotten what he learned.
Or maybe he squeezed a seminar in between 10:57 pm and 1:51 am and decided to stick with standard proven eye contact instead of :
> I think I'm going to try to see if I can figure out how to unfocus my > eyes or dilate my pupils at will.
Is this guy in *any* position to be doling out seduction advice to anybody?
> -- > She wants to meet a man and God dammit! I am a man! == Scruff
MegaGimp wrote: > OK, I know it does, but what? How? Why? If you were to spend some cash > on some useful material, what would be best bang for the buck? Are > there any courses/books/videos etc that really are helpful?
> I mean, all you really need to do is go out there and be social > interactive and work on your game. If you know how to evaluate, review > and learn, you'll improve. It's like anything else.
> What I'm really asking for is the methods. What are the 10 most > important things to do? I guess I'm looking for the step-by-step-guide. > Sort of concentrate on oth thing at a time.
Hurry up! Someone please start leading mini seminars that take you from A-Z in PU land. Seriously.
> MegaGimp wrote: >> OK, I know it does, but what? How? Why? If you were to spend some cash >> on some useful material, what would be best bang for the buck? Are >> there any courses/books/videos etc that really are helpful?
>> I mean, all you really need to do is go out there and be social >> interactive and work on your game. If you know how to evaluate, review >> and learn, you'll improve. It's like anything else.
>> What I'm really asking for is the methods. What are the 10 most >> important things to do? I guess I'm looking for the step-by-step-guide. >> Sort of concentrate on oth thing at a time.
> Hurry up! Someone please start leading mini seminars that take you > from A-Z in PU land. Seriously.
On Dec 16, 12:16 pm, An Old Friend <an....@friend.com.invalid> wrote:
> In article <2P-dnaCXu8NikR7YnZ2dnUVZ_qOpn...@pghconnect.com>, > "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote:
> > Stop spamming the group DMan.I see that complaining to Dman's ISP must not have worked. Overstayed > your welcome with the major ISPs as their "spam policeman," perhaps?
I'll bet he doesn't even have a clue what my ISP is
> MegaGimp wrote: > > OK, I know it does, but what? How? Why? If you were to spend some cash > > on some useful material, what would be best bang for the buck? Are > > there any courses/books/videos etc that really are helpful?
> > I mean, all you really need to do is go out there and be social > > interactive and work on your game. If you know how to evaluate, review > > and learn, you'll improve. It's like anything else.
> > What I'm really asking for is the methods. What are the 10 most > > important things to do? I guess I'm looking for the step-by-step-guide. > > Sort of concentrate on oth thing at a time. > Hurry up! Someone please start leading mini seminars that take you > from A-Z in PU land. Seriously.
> ~Happy
Hmmm.... is that what level you are at? Could explain the thread you recently started which I replied to.
My advice is look through what I posted above, gives an easy step by step guide to getting this stuff sorted. After that you will know enough about the scene to branch out and learn more stuff on your own.
An Old Friend <an....@friend.com.invalid> wrote in news:an.old- CEB979.18160615122...@news.isp.giganews.com:
> In article <2P-dnaCXu8NikR7YnZ2dnUVZ_qOpn...@pghconnect.com>, > "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote:
>> Stop spamming the group DMan.
> I see that complaining to Dman's ISP must not have worked. Overstayed > your welcome with the major ISPs as their "spam policeman," perhaps?
Quite a long time ago, from what I've heard. Though occasionally, someone will toss a newbie admin out to read his rants, just to get a chuckle or two as the newbie comes to the same realizations. Most root or report based mailing we "got" were automatically redirected to /dev/null.
-- She wants to meet a man and God dammit! I am a man! == Scruff
On Dec 19, 8:49 am, speeding <n...@biz.org> wrote:
> An Old Friend <an....@friend.com.invalid> wrote in news:an.old- > CEB979.18160615122...@news.isp.giganews.com:
> > In article <2P-dnaCXu8NikR7YnZ2dnUVZ_qOpn...@pghconnect.com>, > > "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote:
> >> Stop spamming the group DMan.
> > I see that complaining to Dman's ISP must not have worked. Overstayed > > your welcome with the major ISPs as their "spam policeman," perhaps?Quite a long time ago, from what I've heard. Though occasionally, someone > will toss a newbie admin out to read his rants, just to get a chuckle or > two as the newbie comes to the same realizations. Most root or report based > mailing we "got" were automatically redirected to /dev/null.
Nah, more likely he doesn't have a clue what ISP I'm with. Though if he has been observant he might have at least picked up to within a few hundreds of kilometers where I live. I've mentioned it often enough.
> On Dec 19, 8:49 am, speeding <n...@biz.org> wrote: >> An Old Friend <an....@friend.com.invalid> wrote in news:an.old- >> CEB979.18160615122...@news.isp.giganews.com:
>> > In article <2P-dnaCXu8NikR7YnZ2dnUVZ_qOpn...@pghconnect.com>, >> > "Ray Gordon, creator of the \"pivot\"" <r...@cybersheet.com> >> > wrote:
>> >> Stop spamming the group DMan.
>> > I see that complaining to Dman's ISP must not have worked. >> > Overstayed your welcome with the major ISPs as their "spam >> > policeman," perhaps?Quite a long time ago, from what I've heard. >> > Though occasionally, someone >> will toss a newbie admin out to read his rants, just to get a chuckle >> or two as the newbie comes to the same realizations. Most root or >> report based mailing we "got" were automatically redirected to >> /dev/null.
> Nah, more likely he doesn't have a clue what ISP I'm with. Though if > he has been observant he might have at least picked up to within a few > hundreds of kilometers where I live. I've mentioned it often enough.
What I meant was, I used to work at one of the biggest ISPs. A company that more or less owns the IT backbone. I still know a few people that stayed after the layoffs. And even if he reported you to every ISP he could think of... no one would read it except as a joke. It only takes reading a few rants to know a dupe whan you see it
-- She wants to meet a man and God dammit! I am a man! == Scruff
