>>Regardless of their long-term viability, learning how to seduce them is key.
>Not until you've made a determination about the wisdom of doing it in the >first >place. So, how would you feel about a continuing relationship with a >stripper?
It would depend on the specific one, as it would with any woman.
>>The ones you seduced, did you meet them at their clubs?
>No. I met them away from their place of work.
Which is tangential to the concept of turning a strip club into a viable place to find pussy (if you want that sort of thing). I see talk here about how the normal seduction methods don't work in strip clubs, but I'm finding them easier and easier places to operate, and not at any great cost (money is actually a hinderance in many cases).
>Of course at first I thought >that dating a stripper would be a cool thing to do. Of course that was my >dick >doing the thinking...
As opposed to how you NOW choose women?
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>>>> The ones you seduced, did you meet them at their clubs?
>>> I did.
>> Got details?
>Not for you.
For the rest of the group?
>Maybe when YOU start meeting your own challenges of proof.
Or maybe not....since strippers are pretty easy to seduce, it wouldn't surprise me to learn any man does it.
>> Also, don't you have an apartment in NEW YORK CITY?
>Didn't always go to my place.
Which goes to show that where you lived, in those cases, wasn't relevant.
I find with strippers, they care the LEAST about how, where, or with whom I live. Most of them have had enough domestic problems not to think so superficially.
Still, being in NYC can be very advantageous as opposed to a smaller area.
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>> >The ones you seduced, did you meet them at their clubs?
>> No. I met them away from their place of work. Of course at first I >thought >> that dating a stripper would be a cool thing to do. Of course that was my >dick >> doing the thinking...
>I get the feeling the center piece of ray's stripper gold is meeting >strippers online. Then lying to them about being a psychic or offering >them lessons in hypnosis if they'll record a tape for him etc.
Actually, I tend NOT to date women who record for me (or who do phone at about 85 percent less than the going rate -- I pay them what little I do so they show up on time more than anything), or who might, and I don't count the strippers I meet online (most of them have walls up on the net anyway or don't admit they are strippers).
No, what I'm talking about here is a simple PLUCK, walking into a strip club and walking out with #s, e-mails, or whatever (I don't like walking out with the dancers as there is that Bluto thing and it can hurt the club's rep if guys are seen getting play).
Without question, the strip club customer has *every* advantage if he knows how to use it. Some of them are obvious, some are subtle, but I have woven my analysis of this game into something that is very easy to execute, and because strippers are trained to treat ALL men as desirable, the man really doesn't even have to have that much going for him.
The hypnosis gimmicks I do use are not even the strongest. I could think of five or six other gimmicks that would work a lot better. Often, however, no gimmick is required.
I should point out here that befriending the staff is not part of this gimmick, although I'm sure someone like Mystery would find a way to work that in.
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>>Not until you've made a determination about the wisdom of doing it in the >>first >>place. So, how would you feel about a continuing relationship with a >>stripper?
>It would depend on the specific one, as it would with any woman.
Of course, but you're not really answering the question. Under what circumstances would it be acceptable to you to "date" or conduct an LTR with a woman who displays her body in a sexual manner, up close and personal, to hundreds of other men each working day? Does this factor into your decision at all (positively or negatively), or would your decision (to date or not to date) be based soley on other factors?
>>>The ones you seduced, did you meet them at their clubs?
>>No. I met them away from their place of work.
>Which is tangential to the concept of turning a strip club into a viable >place >to find pussy (if you want that sort of thing).
Indeed. I have nothing to offer in terms of in-club pickup experience, since I don't go to them.
>>Of course at first I thought >>that dating a stripper would be a cool thing to do. Of course that was my >>dick >>doing the thinking...
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In article <20030205080609.21241.00000...@mb-mm.aol.com> amoderncave...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman) wrote:
> >>>> The ones you seduced, did you meet them at their clubs?
> >>> I did.
> >> Got details?
> >Not for you.
For the rest of the group?
> >Maybe when YOU start meeting your own challenges of proof.
Or maybe not....since strippers are pretty easy to seduce, it wouldn't surprise me to learn any man does it.
> >> Also, don't you have an apartment in NEW YORK CITY?
> >Didn't always go to my place.
Which goes to show that where you lived, in those cases, wasn't relevant.
I find with strippers, they care the LEAST about how, where, or with whom I live. Most of them have had enough domestic problems not to think so superficially.
Still, being in NYC can be very advantageous as opposed to a smaller area.
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>>> >The ones you seduced, did you meet them at their clubs?
>>> No. I met them away from their place of work. Of course at first I >>thought >>> that dating a stripper would be a cool thing to do. Of course that was my >>dick >>> doing the thinking...
>>I get the feeling the center piece of ray's stripper gold is meeting >>strippers online. Then lying to them about being a psychic or offering >>them lessons in hypnosis if they'll record a tape for him etc.
>Actually, I tend NOT to date women who record for me (or who do phone at about >85 percent less than the going rate -- I pay them what little I do so they show >up on time more than anything), or who might, and I don't count the strippers I >meet online (most of them have walls up on the net anyway or don't admit they >are strippers).
>No, what I'm talking about here is a simple PLUCK, walking into a strip club >and walking out with #s, e-mails, or whatever (I don't like walking out with >the dancers as there is that Bluto thing and it can hurt the club's rep if guys >are seen getting play).
>Without question, the strip club customer has *every* advantage if he knows how >to use it. Some of them are obvious, some are subtle, but I have woven my >analysis of this game into something that is very easy to execute, and because >strippers are trained to treat ALL men as desirable, the man really doesn't >even have to have that much going for him.
>The hypnosis gimmicks I do use are not even the strongest. I could think of >five or six other gimmicks that would work a lot better. Often, however, no >gimmick is required.
>I should point out here that befriending the staff is not part of this gimmick, >although I'm sure someone like Mystery would find a way to work that in.
>Ray Gordon
Hypocrite!
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> >> >The ones you seduced, did you meet them at their clubs?
> >> No. I met them away from their place of work. Of course at first I > >thought > >> that dating a stripper would be a cool thing to do. Of course that was my > >dick > >> doing the thinking...
> >I get the feeling the center piece of ray's stripper gold is meeting > >strippers online. Then lying to them about being a psychic or offering > >them lessons in hypnosis if they'll record a tape for him etc.
Actually, I tend NOT to date women who record for me (or who do phone at about 85 percent less than the going rate -- I pay them what little I do so they show up on time more than anything), or who might, and I don't count the strippers I meet online (most of them have walls up on the net anyway or don't admit they are strippers).
No, what I'm talking about here is a simple PLUCK, walking into a strip club and walking out with #s, e-mails, or whatever (I don't like walking out with the dancers as there is that Bluto thing and it can hurt the club's rep if guys are seen getting play).
Without question, the strip club customer has *every* advantage if he knows how to use it. Some of them are obvious, some are subtle, but I have woven my analysis of this game into something that is very easy to execute, and because strippers are trained to treat ALL men as desirable, the man really doesn't even have to have that much going for him.
The hypnosis gimmicks I do use are not even the strongest. I could think of five or six other gimmicks that would work a lot better. Often, however, no gimmick is required.
I should point out here that befriending the staff is not part of this gimmick, although I'm sure someone like Mystery would find a way to work that in.
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In article <20030205061654.21383.00000...@mb-mm.aol.com> amoderncave...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman) wrote:
> >>Regardless of their long-term viability, learning how to seduce them is key.
> >Not until you've made a determination about the wisdom of doing it in the > >first > >place. So, how would you feel about a continuing relationship with a > >stripper?
It would depend on the specific one, as it would with any woman.
> >>The ones you seduced, did you meet them at their clubs?
> >No. I met them away from their place of work.
Which is tangential to the concept of turning a strip club into a viable place to find pussy (if you want that sort of thing). I see talk here about how the normal seduction methods don't work in strip clubs, but I'm finding them easier and easier places to operate, and not at any great cost (money is actually a hinderance in many cases).
> >Of course at first I thought > >that dating a stripper would be a cool thing to do. Of course that was my > >dick > >doing the thinking...
As opposed to how you NOW choose women?
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> >>> >The ones you seduced, did you meet them at their clubs?
> >>> No. I met them away from their place of work. Of course at first I > >>thought > >>> that dating a stripper would be a cool thing to do. Of course that was my > >>dick > >>> doing the thinking...
> >>I get the feeling the center piece of ray's stripper gold is meeting > >>strippers online. Then lying to them about being a psychic or offering > >>them lessons in hypnosis if they'll record a tape for him etc.
> >Actually, I tend NOT to date women who record for me (or who do phone at about > >85 percent less than the going rate -- I pay them what little I do so they show > >up on time more than anything), or who might, and I don't count the strippers I > >meet online (most of them have walls up on the net anyway or don't admit they > >are strippers).
> >No, what I'm talking about here is a simple PLUCK, walking into a strip club > >and walking out with #s, e-mails, or whatever (I don't like walking out with > >the dancers as there is that Bluto thing and it can hurt the club's rep if guys > >are seen getting play).
> >Without question, the strip club customer has *every* advantage if he knows how > >to use it. Some of them are obvious, some are subtle, but I have woven my > >analysis of this game into something that is very easy to execute, and because > >strippers are trained to treat ALL men as desirable, the man really doesn't > >even have to have that much going for him.
> >The hypnosis gimmicks I do use are not even the strongest. I could think of > >five or six other gimmicks that would work a lot better. Often, however, no > >gimmick is required.
> >I should point out here that befriending the staff is not part of this gimmick, > >although I'm sure someone like Mystery would find a way to work that in.
> >Ray Gordon
> Hypocrite!
> Vous servez de bien que votre histoire d'internet et les commentaires negatifs > precedents des danseurs exotiques ne sont pas enregistres dans l'archive.
> Vous changez votre histoire comme souvent comme le vent change des directions.
Oh il fait plus que cela. Il change son histoire environ aussi souvent qu'il prend une merde, qui a basé sur sa histoire de signalisation est environ 10 fois par seconde.
-- Paul Robinson "Above all else... We shall go on..." "...And continue!" "If the lessons of history teach us anything it is that nobody learns the lessons that history teaches us."
>>>place. So, how would you feel about a continuing relationship with a >>>stripper?
>>It would depend on the specific one, as it would with any woman.
>Of course, but you're not really answering the question. Under what >circumstances would it be acceptable to you to "date" or conduct an LTR with >a >woman who displays her body in a sexual manner, up close and personal, to >hundreds of other men each working day?
Asked and answered: I don't date legal secretaries.
> Does this factor into your decision >at >all (positively or negatively), or would your decision (to date or not to >date) >be based soley on other factors?
See above.
>>>>The ones you seduced, did you meet them at their clubs?
>>>No. I met them away from their place of work.
>>Which is tangential to the concept of turning a strip club into a viable >>place >>to find pussy (if you want that sort of thing).
>Indeed. I have nothing to offer in terms of in-club pickup experience, since >I >don't go to them.
I don't either, for the most part, but when I go, I get more plucks than any man should.
Then again, can strip clubs be viable at all if it's becoming so simple to seduce the dancers? This can't be good for their business prospects because it defeats the purpose of the club.
>>>Of course at first I thought >>>that dating a stripper would be a cool thing to do. Of course that was my >>>dick >>>doing the thinking...
>>As opposed to how you NOW choose women?
>Precisely...
Which is how?
If you don't go for looks first, you're going for less of a degree of difficulty.
Just as a woman wouldn't be accomplishing much from a "pickup" standpoint if she got some fat short guy with a heart of gold to marry her, even if she's happy with him.
You got a music gimmick anyway.
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> >> >The ones you seduced, did you meet them at their clubs?
> >> No. I met them away from their place of work. Of course at first I > >thought > >> that dating a stripper would be a cool thing to do. Of course that was my > >dick > >> doing the thinking...
> >I get the feeling the center piece of ray's stripper gold is meeting > >strippers online. Then lying to them about being a psychic or offering > >them lessons in hypnosis if they'll record a tape for him etc.
> Actually, I tend NOT to date women who record for me
LOL! You tend not to date at all, ray. Why split hairs, when you're bald??
>(or who do phone at about > 85 percent less than the going rate -- I pay them what little I do so they show > up on time more than anything), or who might, and I don't count the strippers I > meet online (most of them have walls up on the net anyway or don't admit they > are strippers).
So in other words, they won't give you the time of day unless you pay them.
> No, what I'm talking about here is a simple PLUCK, walking into a strip club > and walking out with #s, e-mails, or whatever
Ray, you are a fucking clueless moron. You bragging about a stripper giving you a number in the club is like some dipshit bragging about getting a free drink in a vegas casino... like he scamed it or something.
I bet when you get that e-mail that says some chick saw your profile and wants you to come look at her website, you probably think it is a real chick, don't you?
There are only two reasons a stripper will give you her number in a club, either she is letting you think you got a shot in order to get more money out of you, or she is hooking on the side. Now ray I know you're a fool with little experience with women, but I didn't think you were that fucking stupid.
Not only did you buy the scam, you bought it so hard you think you got some new hot shit method. That's just sad ray, sad.
>(I don't like walking out with > the dancers as there is that Bluto thing and it can hurt the club's rep if guys > are seen getting play).
Amazing how all the shit you CAN'T do also just happens to be the shit you "don't like." They won't walk out of the club with you, because that would make it harder to run the scam on the next pathetic loser.
> Without question, the strip club customer has *every* advantage if he knows how > to use it. Some of them are obvious, some are subtle, but I have woven my > analysis of this game into something that is very easy to execute, and because > strippers are trained to treat ALL men as desirable, the man really doesn't > even have to have that much going for him.
Ray, read the shit you are writing. You have not woven a damn thing. You are approaching women who routinely fleece total desperate losers like you by letting them think they have a chance. And the pathetic part is, you're bragging about it like you scored.
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In article <20030205200209.10859.00000...@mb-ma.aol.com> amoderncave...@aol.com (A Modern Caveman) wrote:
> >>>place. So, how would you feel about a continuing relationship with a > >>>stripper?
> >>It would depend on the specific one, as it would with any woman.
> >Of course, but you're not really answering the question. Under what > >circumstances would it be acceptable to you to "date" or conduct an LTR with > >a > >woman who displays her body in a sexual manner, up close and personal, to > >hundreds of other men each working day?
Asked and answered: I don't date legal secretaries.
> > Does this factor into your decision > >at > >all (positively or negatively), or would your decision (to date or not to > >date) > >be based soley on other factors?
See above.
> >>>>The ones you seduced, did you meet them at their clubs?
> >>>No. I met them away from their place of work.
> >>Which is tangential to the concept of turning a strip club into a viable > >>place > >>to find pussy (if you want that sort of thing).
> >Indeed. I have nothing to offer in terms of in-club pickup experience, since > >I > >don't go to them.
I don't either, for the most part, but when I go, I get more plucks than any man should.
Then again, can strip clubs be viable at all if it's becoming so simple to seduce the dancers? This can't be good for their business prospects because it defeats the purpose of the club.
> >>>Of course at first I thought > >>>that dating a stripper would be a cool thing to do. Of course that was my > >>>dick > >>>doing the thinking...
> >>As opposed to how you NOW choose women?
> >Precisely...
Which is how?
If you don't go for looks first, you're going for less of a degree of difficulty.
Just as a woman wouldn't be accomplishing much from a "pickup" standpoint if she got some fat short guy with a heart of gold to marry her, even if she's happy with him.
You got a music gimmick anyway.
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