[FAQ part 3 of 3]
Q:"What's a good message to leave on my answering machine?"
A: "Hi, I'm not here to pick up the phone so leave your name and
number so I can get back to you later."
Q:"What do I do If I get her answering machine?"
A: Hang up. Unless you have a STRONG reason to believe that she will
definitely return your call in the next half hour, or unless you
have something EXTRAORDINARY to tell her, don't leave any messages.
And, if nobody has ever told you before, call-blocking is your
friend. You must make the assumption that every woman you will ever
call has Caller ID and screens her calls. Most areas in the US,
dialing *67 before making a call enables call blocking on your phone
number (it won't show up on a Caller ID device). Some phone
companies let you place a permanent block on your phone number.
Further: The telcos are now offering a service where if you *67 it,
the call goes straight to voice mail. Also, if you can not get onto
her, and the # is starting to go stale (about a week old), then it
is time to leave a message, and the right sort of message to leave
(with tonality working for you) is: "Hi this is <PUA name>
from <place where you met> last <Monday>, my number is
<phone number>. It is a pity I missed you. I was speaking to
someone about you the other day and they said that you .."
<click, you hang-up mid sentence>. If that doesn't get a
return phone call, nothing would have. (on the return phone call say
the person said that she had beautiful eyes, say you agree and
transition into an eyes pattern). If she doesn't call you can go
back to your *67 trying to get her.
~toecutter, 2001/01/17
Q:"What do I do if she gives me a beeper number instead of her phone
number or e-mail address?"
A: Drop her.
Q:"Where should I meet or take her when setting up a second meeting
(after a number close)?"
A: If she already seems hot and horny for you, then by all means
invite her to your place (for whatever...do whatever you like to do
like watch a movie, cook dinner, show her your pictures from your
last trip to TimBucktu). Otherwise, you'll want to set up a more
casual, non-intimidating meeting place where she will feel
comfortable and safe. That means a public place, but also one that
is condusive to to your seduction. Also, try to avoid the weekends
and go for something more in the line of meeting at a cafe on the
weekdays (afternoon or early evening). This will minimize the impact
of "date" expectations and you will both be more at ease. Doing this
also saves you from big expenses, especially if you do a lot of PUs.
Generally, you want to think of this event as a second opportunity
to screen her and to let her get a better appreciation of you. If it
doesn't work out, you haven't lost anything. Otherwise, you can
confidently move onto the next step which is to set up a more
significant meeting or take her home right away if you manage to
really do a good job seducing her.
Q:"Who pays? Should I pay? When should I pay? When should I not
pay?"
A: The default rule (for PUAs) is to not pay for anything except
yourself. "No play, no pay." However, this rule can (and should) be
superseded by whatever the circumstance entails but not to the
extent that you are going out of your way to impress or supplicate
to her.
### For newbie AFCs ###
Not paying for chicks is SECONDARY. The main thing is to seduce them
with your mental game and this "rule" about paying is just to
prevent you from doing what that that guy from the article "How not
to PU" on Maniac's site did (see
http://www.pickupguide.com/badpu1.htm). You DON'T pay for trips to
Paris and you DON'T buy them clothes and jewelry! As for coffee,
it's too insignificant an expense to risk putting her in a bad state
from which AFC newbies can't pull her from.
Our "rules" are in the function of seducing woman fast. They're not
designed for saving you money, nor for showing the bitches who's the
king.
When you tell a chick "I expect you to pay that.", she'll start
thinking. What's she going to think? That it's a good thing you're
making her pay for her own? Not likely. That it doesn't matter?
Possible. That it's a BAD thing? Most probably she will experience a
moment of discomfort and insecurity.
Not that the chick is a gold digger, it's simply a bad state
breaker. She's going to think about (even for 5 seconds) why you
won't pay for her coffee...
"Is he telling me he doesn't like me?"
"Is he too poor to afford coffee?"
"Is he a cheap skate?"
Now, I can pull her out of that state. So can NYC, Maniac, and other
PUAs, they can BOUNCE the chick around like a basketball and still
get pussy. How about some newbie? What is he going to think when he
says that after the "date" rapport went to hell and the chick
complained she was tired or whatever? What went wrong? So, the
primary advice to newbies is: not paying for chicks is secondary to
seducing them. Once you get good at attracting and seducing them,
the understanding about "who should pay" rules comes naturally.
~thx, 2001/01/20 (paraphrased)
Still don't get it? Want this point explained in-depth, along with
the basic reasoning behind the importance of such a topic? Then read
the following archived post from toecutter:
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=1...
### For AFCs/RAFCs miscellaneous situations ###
Co-workers having coffee: It is the expected that each person pay
for their own drink.
Co-workers having drinks: It is the expected that each person pay
for their own drink. Or to take turns buying drinks.
New HB + you having coffee: Play it by ear, but expect to pay. No
big deal. Coffe & a snack is usually only a few dollars.
New HB + you having drinks: Play it by ear, but expect to pay the
first round. Let her pay the second, thjen play it by ear from
there.
First date: PUAs don't "date" girls they aren't already fucking.
One way to diffuse a situation where you are paying for a first
coffee meeting, especially if the subject comes up, just be playful
and say "I'll get it this time, you can get it next time."
### For PUAs in miscellaneous situations ###
Well, PUAs already know the score on this...
Q:"How do I get a woman (or women) to come back to my place the same
day I meet her/them?"
A: Give her an excuse to go to your place. You want to show her the
photos <of what ever you were talking about> / play her some
music / have a drink (alcohol especially after closing time) /
forgot your coat / haven't eaten, and you only have a stomach
for <certain food that you have in your fridge> / play with
your leggo set, whatever.
~toecutter, 2001/01/17
Q:"How do I get a woman (or women) to come back to my place after
we've gotten together one or more times?"
A: See the answer to the previous related question. Invite to see a
video, cook her dinner, etc. (cooking her dinner under these
circumstances is not AFC, it is organizing a meeting on your turf
... get candles burning [that burn at different speeds so the room
gets darker as the night goes on]. You choose the music, the food
[texture baby all the way], etc.)
~toecutter, 2001/01/17
Q:"How do I treat or deal with a woman who doesn't call back or
cancels dates?"
A: It's probably too late. You didn't provide her with your rules up
front. You probably also did not do enough to attract her.
There are some things you can do to set you up to rebound the
situation. Toecutter has posted some good info about this, available
at:
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=1...
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=1...
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp=1...
Q:"How can I avoid a woman telling me 'Let's just be friends.'?"
A: Don't ever supplicate to her. Don't put her on a pedestal. Don't
become her doormat. Don't try to be her girlfriend. Don't become her
girlfirend. Don't act asexual. Always understand that when first
meeting a woman, you must make sure the impression you give is not
one of "nice guy doormat" but rather "strong, dominent, confident,
secure man". Then make sure to make your SOI known (either directly
or through sub-text) and be sure to excite her imagination about
you. Then turn the table around on her and make sure she gets the
impression that you are screening her to be with you rather than the
other way around.
Q:"How do I turn a 'friend' into a 'lover', how can I get out of
LJBF ('Let's Just Be Friends') land, or I've just been LJBF'd - what
do I do?"
A: Once in LJBF land with a particular woman, it's almost impossible
to get out. Rather, you should consider using the LJBF to your
advantage. Hang out with this woman and have her around when you're
out clubbing, bar-hopping, at a restaurant, wherever. Completely
accept the fact that you'll never sleep with this woman and simply
use her as "social proof" when attracting other women. Other women
will see you as more attractive and desirable if they see you with
another woman. The better looking your LJBF girl, the better for
you. In fact, you may even want to introduce the idea of "winging"
with this LJBF woman directly to her: she can help you attract other
women while you help her attract other men. If, however, you're
still adamant about seducing an LJBF woman, read the next Q&A.
Q:"What does 'elicit values' mean? How does one elicit values?"
A: Some guys call this screening but it's also used to get things
from her like mirror and trance words. While in conversation with a
women, you need to ask her questions which lead to her end values
and specific trance words. That will help you lead the conversation
by mirroring back those values and words to her and will also help
you determine if she even qualifies to spend time with you. For
example, you don't simply want to ask "What do you like to do for
fun?" and then leave her answer at that. You want to take her anser
and dig deeper.
Don't know how that works? Watch Jay Leno or David Letterman when
they're interviewing someone. You want to keep asking more and more
deeper questions until you finally get to her value structure and
the specific words that her mind hinges on. Furthering the example,
she says "I like to go fishing with my family." and then you ask
"What specifically you find the most enjoyable about that?" She
might say "Every time my family does it, we have a great time, and
laugh a lot." You ask "So you like to laugh with your family?" She
says "Yeah, it's a great way to escape and laugh and let go." You
say "Yeah, it is great to laugh with your family - my family is like
that. Are you able to escape and let go in other ways in your life?"
She says "Yeah, I like to go to the wharf for lunch and watch the
birds, it's a great way to escape in the middle of the day."
So now after that brief convo, you've established that she likes her
familiy, she likes to laugh and have fun, her familiy is fun, she
likes the water, and enjoys escaping her days by doing something
relaxing. You've also got some trance words and phrases: "great
(time)" "escape" "let go". If you take those values of hers and feed
them back within your own stories and also emphasise her trance
words, you will gain faster and stronger rapport with her and will
more easily be able to capture and lead her imagination, lead her
state.
Q:"What is the 'bitch shield'? How do I bypass it?"
A: The bitch shield is a natural reaction the really hot chicks
(specifically 9s, especially 10s, and usually strippers/dancers)
build up. It's perfectly understandable for her to brush off the
guys who approach. If she's in a crowded club or bar, she has dozens
of guys a night coming up and kissing her ass, buying her drinks,
telling her she's beautiful. She knows she's beautiful. She's been
told that so many times it's as true as saying "the sky is blue".
She can't sleep with, or even have time to get to know all the guys
that come onto her -- there aren't enough hours in the day, even if
she was madly attracted to every single one of them. So she's become
good at brushing guys off. She assumes (rightly so) that every guy
that talks to her would give his right arm to fuck her. She's
probably dying to be swept off her feet, but there's no challenge.
It's like playing Quake on God mode. Its fun at first, but quickly
gets boring.
The way to bypass this is a neg hit. A neg is a neutral comment. Its
not an insult, merely a way of demonstrating that you aren't
impressed (or intimidated) by her beauty. Some examples: "That's so
cute, your nose wiggles when you talk", "I love your hair, is it
dyed?", "Your nails look great. Are they real?" For the last two, if
the hair/nails are dyed/fake, follow up with "oh... well, they look
nice."
You aren't kissing her ass, in fact you might have noticed something
wrong with her perfect form. You might not even want to fuck her!
This confuses the hell out of her, and gets her interested in you.
What's up with this guy? Why isn't he telling me I look like an
angel and buying me drinks like all the other guys (AFCs) do? For a
10, Mystery recommends 3 negs to bring the shield all the way down.
Once its down, you can talk to her like a human being, rather than a
peasant worshipping his goddess.
Note: These are NOT to be used on chicks without a bitch shield.
Doing so will destroy her self esteem.
~maddman75, 2000/11/25
Special note on 10s and how they view their world when it comes to
meeting men: coming soon.
Q:"What is supplication?"
A: Supplication is offering to do something for an HB, while
expecting something from her, such as more time to spend with her,
sex, or any other favor. If you do something for an HB, expecting
anything in return, or in the hopes of showing her that you are a
nice guy that will do things for her, hoping that she will spend
more time with you, you are supplicating. Supplication is also
considered to include gifts, dinners, drinks, flowers, or any other
token meant to buy your way into her good graces. If you wouldn't do
it for no reason for a male friend, then it is probably
supplication.
~Jack 2000/11/17
Suggestion from Maniac High:
Supplication is offering to do something for a chick that you would
NOT do for a guy friend, or an UG (buying jewelery, doing 'extra'
favors, doing her homework for her, etc).
Q:"What is NLP?"
A: Neuro-Linguistic Programming. Its a branch of psychology that
involves the use of everyday language to induce emotional states
into the person you are talking to. It uses ambiguities, descriptive
words, and subtle mispronunciations to create different emotional
states. It forms the basis for Ross Jeffries' Speed Seduction
coursework and seminars (see below) and is a powerful seduction
tool.
Some people will initially balk at using NLP to seduce, but after
you learn a bit about it you learn to recognize it in other
situations. It's used to get candidates into office, convert
people's religion, sell products, and start wars. Using it to get a
little ass seems almost benign, doesn't it?
~maddman75, 2000/11/25
Q:"What is an 'alpha male'?"
A: Among most primate tribes, there are two types of males. Most of
the pack are beta males. They have no real power, and mate
infrequently. The most dominate male is the alpha. He mates with all
the females, whenever he wants. He is the leader of the pack. The
other apes flock to him, even the beta males.
Humans share some of the same behavior. I'm sure you knew a guy like
this in high school. Coolest guy around. Did whatever he wanted,
whenever he wanted. More girls than he could handle. Relaxed,
comfortable, confident, in control. That is the alpha male, and its
who you need to be to be a PUA.
Never apologize for your desires
Never worry about consequences
Show no fear of talking to people you don't know
Know that you are the prize
Say and do what others wish they had the balls to say and do
~maddman75, 2000/11/25
Note: The term "alpha male" has been used most predominantly in the
sciences when referring to wolf packs.
Q:"What is a 'takeaway'?"
Set it up by giving her something she wants, something that makes
her feel good, fascinated...ect... (not money or gifts!) When you
sense her anticipation then you take it away.
example: You just read her a poem. She asks for more. You say, oh
sorry we'll have to do it tommorrow I have to get to class now.
It's simaliar to what a dick tease would do.
~whoisthis19 (greg), 2001/1/10
Q:"What is seduction?"
A: The classical definition of seduction is a means of communication
(verbal or physical) which leads a woman to have strong desires to
have sex with the man who is seducing her. The ASf definition of
seduction is any reasonable method which provides a man with the
ability to consistently get women that he wants to want to have sex
with him. The trick to being a good seductionist is not being able
to use a specific general technique or method and do it perfectly
but rather to find what works best fot you and practice, practice,
practice. Go out into the field and try new things. Find out what
works for you. Use the techiques guys post about as a basis to try
new things, not as something you repeat like a robot.
Q:"Where and how do I start using all this new knowledge?"
A: Everywhere! Try not to let any opportunity slip by. Remember
anytime you go anywhere and do anything you could have an
opportunity to meet an HB. For sarging, try the local malls, book
stores, coffee shops, bars, clubs, or anywhere else you can find a
gathering of people.
How? - here's Mystery's formula: Find, Meet, Attract, Close. Start
wherever you are lacking. If you have no problem starting a
conversation, work on Attract, study eliciting values, storytelling,
mirroring, etc. If talking to strangers (esp. women) makes you
nervous, work on Meet. Go out to the local mall, say hi and smile to
women until this doesn't bother you any more. Just start -
experience will give you your baseline and let you know where you
need work.
~maddman75, 2000/11/25
Q:"How do I ask her if she has a STD (Sexually Transmitted
Disease)?"
A: If it's a concern to you, bring it up before having sex with her.
Some women simply aren't honest about it (due to fear,
embarrassment, or something else) and you should always wear a
condom (duh). Here is a web site about STDs:
http://www.unspeakable.com/std-index.html
Q:"How can I date more than 1 woman at a time?"
A: If you are thinking ONS types or multiple FBs, it doesn't take
much other than your time and how much of it you're willing to give
up. If you're asking how to maintain multiple LTRs (MLTR) without
pissing any of those women off, the best answer is straightforard
honesty. All the women in your MLTR should be accepting of the fact
that you spend your time (and emotions) with other women while you
are also seeing them. But you also have to be OK with the women in
you MLRT being just as free with their relationships. If you are an
MLTR man, or want to be, you have to expect your women will want the
same freedom. You should also expect that "cheating" in those
circumstances is a nonexistent issue because there was honesty up
front. If you want to include a woman in your MLTR but she doesn't
like the idea and wants a monogamous relationship with you then you
really can't give her what she wants and probably should not
establish a relationship unless you're willing to lie to her and
"cheat" in the relationship. And that's not a very good
relationship, is it?
Q:"Are there any regular posters on ASF that I should pay attention
to more than others?"
A: Some don't post as often as others, but here is a list to start
with: Maniac / Maniac High, Mystery / the_master / Stepleader,
Svengali, Nathan Szilard, MrSex4uNYC, Rio, toecutter, whoisthis19,
Nightlight9, Jack "Jetman" (John C. Ryan), ALPHAHOT1, ErosLA77 /
Ross Jeffries, David Shade, Dan Scorpio, Lovedrop, Treeland_AZ,
TokyoPUA
There are others I've probably missed. This is just a starting
point.
Q:"Are there any regular posters on ASF that I should try to
ignore?"
A: Just lurk on the group for a while and make that decision for
yourself. An list of suggested killfilters can be found at
http://www.fastseduction.com/filters.shtml
Q:"I have a question about SS (Speed Seduction). Where should I go?"
A:http://www.seduction.com/
Q:"What are some highly recommended books I should read?"
A: An organized list of useful books mentioned on ASF is available
at http://www.fastseduction.com/books.shtml. Doing a few searches at
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi should also yield
some useful recommendations.
Any questions not covered by this FAQ can be researched by using the
ASF searchable archive at http://www.fastseduction.com/, or by
lurking on the ASF newsgroup for at least a couple of weeks. There
is also a free web forum, the PUSHboard (Pick-up University Study
Hall) available at http://www.fastseduction.com/ which is a retro-
moderated board (no spam, no piles of useless posts).
Speed Seduction FAQ
The Speed Seduction FAQ can be found at:
http://www.seduction.com/faq.html
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