Dilemma - Is this a lost cause? (LONG)
Michael....@gmail.com
possess a number of qualities that women find attractive: good looks,
intelligence, wit, subtle authoritative demeanor, a strong college
education, promising job, etc. I will admit, however, that when it
comes to women, I lack confidence. I think if I had to attribute that
to something, it would be my strict Catholic upbringing (I attended an
all boy's grade school which severely limited my exposure to the
opposite sex growing up).
I recently traveled to Vegas with a number of friends two weekends ago.
We decided to check out the nightclub Jet in the Mirage on Friday
night. In my best peacocking attempt, I opted to wear a grey suit to
the club, which successfully drew a lot of attention -- probably good
and bad. At around 12 in the morning several drinks in, I was on the
dance floor by myself, trying to get a lay of the land and spot any
potential targets. Before I had a chance to pick one out, I was
approached by a beautiful, elegantly dressed girl of Chinese-Vietnamese
descent. Before I could even say hello, she began dancing with me in a
very suggestive manner, staring me in the eyes the entire time. Her
friend, a guy she later described as a "notorious cockblocker,"
initially tried to drag her away from me, but she refused. Eventually
I told the guy to get lost, and he walked away, leaving this girl to
myself. I smiled, asked her for her name, and we began to exchange
small talk. I cracked a number of jokes which she seemed to find
funny, and the sexual nature of our dancing began to gradually rise.
Eventually, I threw her up on a nearby ledge and started making out
with her in front of everyone. The kissing grew more heated, and I
took that as a green light to move south and begin rubbing her pussy
through her panties. She whispered to me, "I have to get back to my
friends now, but you're so hot -- I'm going to finish you off before I
leave here." I quickly exchanged numbers with this girl and decided to
leave the club entirely.
The following morning, she began to send me a lot of text messages,
repeatedly complimenting my looks, telling me that I turn her on, and
thanking me for being so much fun the previous night. We decided to
meet up for drinks at a bar in the Luxor (ironically, we were both
staying in the Luxor... on the same fucking floor) in the afternoon.
It was here where I started to get to know the girl: she was a 21 year
old college student at UCSD majoring in economics (I majored in
finance), she was really into philosophy, notably existentialism (my
favorite form of philisophical thought), she loved jazz music,
especially Miles Davis and John Coltrane (my two favorite artists), she
appreciates a goofy sense of humor and intelligence (noting that she
felt I had both), she was single and just looking to meet new people
and have a good time, etc. Needless to say, I thought she was really
cool, down to earth, and shared an unusual amount of interests and
personality traits with me. I definitely wanted to fuck the shit out
of her before I left Vegas. I asked her what she was doing that night,
and she said she and her friends were planning on checking out Pure in
Caesar's Palace. I told her that my friends and I were going to Tao in
the Venetian, but that we should meet up later to hang out. She agreed
and told me that she would give me a call if her plans changed.
Anyway, while my friends and I were on our way to the Venetian, I got a
text message from this girl telling me that her group had changed their
minds and also were also going to go to Tao. I took this as a clear
indicator that she had every intention of fucking me that night, and my
excitement soared through the roof. Once we got there, we met up in
the lobby, and much to my surprise, she only brought along one friend:
an equally attractive girl in her early 30s she described as "her
coworker back in San Diego." When I asked where all her guy friends
were, she said that she ditched them so she could hang out with me.
When we got into the club, we immediately went to the dance floor.
This girl was all over me, so much that we ultimately went outside to
make out in a corner of the balcony. Eventually, she decided that she
wanted to leave early so we could go back to my hotel room. On the cab
ride back to Luxor, I pushed aside her panties and started fingering
her in the backseat of the minivan. I don't think I've ever felt a
pussy that wet in my entire life, and let me tell you something, this
pussy was the HOLY GRAIL as far as I'm concerned: shaved, incredibly
wet, perfect lips, devoid of any scent, and tight as can be. When we
got back to my hotel, some of my friends were already back in the room
sleeping, but it didn't seem to phase her at all. We had already
picked up some condoms, and we just decided to fuck right there in the
bed while these guys were conked out. I'll spare you the details, but
I banged this girl for a solid two hours in my bed, and later the
shower, on top of the toilet, the sink, and finally the bathroom floor.
It was, BY FAR, THE GREATEST NIGHT OF MY LIFE.
The next morning she had to leave early, so we exchanged goodbyes and
she told me that she was really glad we met and that she would call me
later. During the following week, this girl texted me and called me
constantly, sending me pictures of herself on her cell phone several
times and telling me that she wanted to come up to LA and hang out in a
couple weeks. One of our conversations on the phone lasted over 3
hours -- I felt like I was in high school again -- and she gave me
extremely strong IOIs like: "I have a huge crush on you," "I didn't
expect to meet a guy so sweet," "I like the fact that you are older
than me," "I told my mom and all my friends that I met a really cute
guy in Vegas," "I love how you are so intelligent," "you are so
funny!," "I just wanted to call to hear the sound of your voice," "I
can't wait to drive up to LA to see you," etc. I felt for sure that,
at the very least, I was going to be able to take this girl out several
times on dates and get some action. In terms of best case scenario, I
definitely viewed this girl as a potential girlfriend if everything
fell into place perfectly. But unfortunately, everything fell apart
that Friday.
Breaking behavior, she ended one of our IM conversations abruptly on
Friday afternoon, saying that she just received a phone call and was
"getting grilled." I didn't hear from her at all for the rest of the
day, which I thought was extremely unusual given the fact she normally
contacted me like clockwork every two or three hours. The following
morning, she IMed me, apologized for not getting back to me the prior
evening, and stated that she was going through a really difficult
period at the moment that she needed to work out.
My heart sunk immediately -- I knew it had to be drama of some kind
with an ex boyfriend. Sure enough, she told me that she received a
call from her ex-boyfriend on Friday, a San Diego local she had dated
seriously for two years but broke up with four months ago. Apparently
she "love[s] him" and considers him her "soulmate", but she decided to
end the relationship because she had reservations about being committed
at that point in her life and wanted genuinely to be single. Anyway,
this guy apparently had been calling her every couple days, begging her
to get back together with him, and that Friday just so happened to be
his birthday. He must have laid the guilt trip on thick, because she
informed me that for a while, she considered getting back together with
him and trying to work things out, but woke up on Saturday and simply
had too many reservations. She said she broke off all contact with him
that morning and was an emotional wreck. When I told her that I didn't
care about the ex and I just wanted to see what would happen between us
if we hung out a few times, she replied, "Sorry, not to be blunt, but
nothing is going to happen. I'm sorry for leading you on." I chalked
up this reaction initially to her shaky emotional state, and I told her
that time heals all wounds and she would start to feel better in a few
weeks. I asked her bluntly if she was attracted to me, to which she
replied "yes." I felt like if I gave her some space, I was still very
much in the game, especially because she is only 21 and very
impressionable. She told me that she definitely wanted to stay in
touch, and that she probably just needed space for a while.
Unfortunately, however, I took Friday's events pretty hard and started
to feel depressed. My experience in Vegas was such an emotional high,
so to hear from this girl that she was "leading me on" and didn't think
anything would happen between us in the future was extremely difficult
to stomach. I proceeded to get completely hammered that day watching
college football, and like the fucking idiot I am, lost all self
control and apparently drunk dialed her six times in a row that night
while she was out to eat with her parents and some relatives. After
the sixth call, she sent me a text: "Please do not contact me again."
When I woke up the following morning and read her text, I knew
immediately that I must have done or said something extremely stupid
the following night. I sent her an IM and apologized for contacting
her, explaining that I just got extremely drunk and had no recollection
of what happened. She told me that she was distraught all day and
really didn't want to talk to anyone, and thus was "really taken aback
by all the phone calls." She then explained that the calls really
embarassed her in front of her family, and that she didn't want me to
contact her any longer. When I tried again to apologize, she replied
with the IM: "Stop!", and I haven't heard from her since. It has now
been a full week since we last talked.
Look, even though I lack confidence, I've had my fair share of
opportunities with women, and I'm normally a resilient guy. I try not
to let experiences like this bother me, but needless to say, I was
really into this girl. I know 99.9% of you guys will tell me to chalk
this one up in the loss column and move on, but are there any
optimistic, persistent people here who think I have a slight chance to
reconcile this situation if I play it right? Any advice would be
greatly appreciated. Thanks so much for your help.
Varjak
a real risk of being reported to the police for harassment/stalking,
irrespective of your intentions. She has told you to stop and as I understand
it, in the eyes of the law you must respect her wishes.
You came across needy and it scared her away. Repeatedly appologising will only
make it look worse and lower your self esteem even further. It's time to learn
from that mistake, realise that this proved that you can get hot women and move
onto the next one.
Good luck, hope to hear a more sucessful field report next time.
Varjak
Michael....@gmail.com
I definitely hear what you are saying, and I can see how she could
interpret another call in that manner, but my phone calls were made
consecutively within a 2 minute timeframe -- it was pretty apparent
that I was just completely wasted -- and I didn't leave her any nasty
drunken messages. I wasn't planning on apologizing again if I did
reach out to her -- I wanted to just say hello, pretend like nothing
happened, see how she would react, and take it from there.
I think I'm going to just let it go though. Too risky. Thanks for
your advice Varjak.
Varjak
Sorry to have been the bearer of bad news, but like I said, you got one hot
babe, you can do it again. Don't get disheartened, join in with the group here,
theres loads of information and experience available to learn from.
Varjak
Teddybear Loveable and Cuddly
make it worse. Do NOT contact her again, when she gets ready she will
contact you. In the meantime, try and stay on the edge of her circle of
friends, and if one or more of her GFs make themselves available, so much
the better. Do NOT ask about her, and if asked just say that she has chosen
to deal with her former BF and you respect her decision.
You WILL get a second shot at her. Make sure you are ready for it when it
comes, and don't be too quick to bite the offered apple. After all, she did
dump you for the old BF right? Have fun with her friends, stay in sight,
always have an attractive woman in tow and DO NOT CALL HER. Women can't
stand that, be ready when it comes.
Remember this, if the relationship with the BF was good, they wouldn't have
broken up. It's not going to get better between them, be patient.
And......Sarge Sarge Sarge.....
<Michael....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"
> Friday afternoon, saying that she just received a phone call and was
> "getting grilled." I didn't hear from her at all for the rest of the
> day, which I thought was extremely unusual given the fact she normally
> contacted me like clockwork every two or three hours. The following
> morning, she IMed me, apologized for not getting back to me the prior
> evening, and stated that she was going through a really difficult
> period at the moment that she needed to work out.
>
> My heart sunk immediately -- I knew it had to be drama of some kind
> with an ex boyfriend. Sure enough, she told me that she received a
> call from her ex-boyfriend on Friday, a San Diego local she had dated
> seriously for two years but broke up with four months ago.
Doubtful he's even an ex.
Welcome to the new game: you'll get a hot slut every now and then, but
forget any idea of exclusivity. Marriage is dead, and relationships aren't
far behind.
Welcome to the hookup culture.
--
Money is not "game."
Looks are not "game."
Social status or value is not "game."
Those are the things that game makes unnecessary.
A seduction guru who teaches you that looks, money or status is game is not
teaching you "game," but how to be an AFC. He uses his students' money to
get women and laughs that "AFCs pay my rent."
Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"
No, she has SLUT issues.
Hotties fuck multiple guys these days, and collisions between the men are
inevitable.
This is what happens when people stop marrying. Women like this would have
been off the market and out of the nightlife forty years ago. Now it's a
totally different dynamic where we can more or less have whatever we want,
but not necessarily keep it. A guy has to learn to play by those rules.
Note that if he didn't chase her, she'd be chasing him.
Teddybear Loveable and Cuddly
failed to show your ass when someone posts needing help.
"Ray Gordon, creator of the "flaming asshole"" <R...@cybersheet.com> wrote in
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<irrelevent, self serving bullshit snipped>
Teddybear Loveable and Cuddly
Posts like this are just why people are so anxious to buy your "books". As
a salesman, you make a good midwife.
Thom E. Geiger
\"pivot\"" <R...@cybersheet.com> wrote:
>A seduction guru who teaches you that looks, money or status is game is not
>teaching you "game," but how to be an AFC. He uses his students' money to
>get women and laughs that "AFCs pay my rent."
How about
" A seduction guru wantabe who tells you that looks, money or status
is not game is not teaching you "anything," but how to be an AFC. He
uses some losers' money to imprersonate women, try and seduce other
men and laughs that "AFCs pay for my kooky lawsoots."
?
Thom E. Geiger, Domain Name Owner
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Newsloon.com
Don't buy anything from any business trying to use SLAPP lawsuits to
stop criticism of the company, owners, officers or products.
Guido Gump Parker blames a baseball bat death threat on his own mother, Penny "Skull Crusher" Parker:
>The "baseball bat" remark was made by my mom in response to a gymnastics
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Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"
Many people have bought my books, including more than one (when I sold them
separately).
Lots of new data to study from all the "game" hitting the media in the last
few years calls for new analysis of that data and new methods, something
those who make money selling existing methods have no interest in
publicizing.
Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"
> had failed to show your ass when someone posts needing help.
I did help him by explaining how sexual free agency works. He got a woman,
but only got her for one night, because she's a sexual free agent who is not
going to be exclusive with him. His lower value on the free agent market
relative to her left him in this positoin.
Krus T. Olfard
news:AJSdnb1_Tq5rxdvY...@pghconnect.com:
> He got a woman,
> but only got her for one night, because she's a sexual free agent who
> is not going to be exclusive with him.
what part of the concept inherent in alt.seduction.fast do you fail to
understand?
oh, all of it...
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"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <R...@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
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>> Posts like this are just why people are so anxious to buy your "books".
>
> Many people have bought my books, including more than one (when I sold
> them separately).
>
told people you were. Liar
> Lots of new data to study from all the "game" hitting the media in the
> last few years calls for new analysis of that data and new methods,
> something those who make money selling existing methods have no interest
> in publicizing.
>
>
Tell you what, you go analyse and I'll go get laid. You can sit there and
brood over your lack of success, and the rest of us will go out in the fresh
air and not live with mommy.
Teddybear Loveable and Cuddly
"Ray Gordon, creator of the "pivot"" <R...@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:AJSdnb1_Tq5rxdvY...@pghconnect.com...
>> Thanks for staying in character Gordon, I would have been shocked if you
>> had failed to show your ass when someone posts needing help.
>
> I did help him by explaining how sexual free agency works. He got a
> woman, but only got her for one night, because she's a sexual free agent
> who is not going to be exclusive with him. His lower value on the free
> agent market relative to her left him in this positoin.
>
newsloon with an agenda
chloe
Girl opinion here: People go to Las V. because they want to break out
alittle, "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas."
Please don't take this harshly, but I know something about this. I
worked in Vegas for 5 years and got my degrees at UNLV. People hook up
on a temporary basis, have some hot times, then never see each other
again. It's a fast town, fast money (losing and winning), fast sex,
fast fantasies that can't stand the light of day.
So chasing this really good time beyond the artificial playground might
be a heartbreaking mistake.
She fled her tangled and complicated world and found a great guy and
you gave her exactly what she needed. But now she's back in that mess
of hers.
So I'd say, don't push her. She'll remember the sex (if it was as good
as you say - she'll remember it).
And maybe she'll want it back.
She left that guy once - she may again.
Send her an occasional message - keep it positive and talk up how good
the sex was.
But make her make the next big move.
If she doesn't then cut your losses, cash in, and split.
Good Luck with whatever you decide.
Big Hug,
B <my real given name initial.
chloe
Never call her when your smashed.
Look at the upside...at least you had some hot sex!
:)
chloe
Good Move -
speeding
@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
Dude... what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. You were a one night stand.
She hit on you because you were obviously an AFC she could nail with no
fear of you rejecting her. She was pissed at her boyfriend and you were a
revenge screw. Nothing more. She didn't care about you, think about you,
or want to have anything to do with you, other than the fact that you a
clear and easy mark.
Avoid her. Keep trying to contact her and you could end up on the less
than welcoming side of a restraining order. Or a jealous boyfriend. I'd
lay odds that the next morning she told her boyfriend in her best crying
voice "It just happened. I was drunk and missing you and I was lonely
because of what you did to me and I just screwed this guy. Can you
forgive me?"
IE: She basically told her boyfriend -- You shit on me so I fucked the
first guy I could. Try to shit on me again and I'll do it again, so don't
you ever piss me off, or I'll screw another guy.
Bad thing is (I watched my brother, a total moron, fall right into this
same trap) the boyfriend won't get pissed at her for being a slutty
bitch. He'll be pissed at you for "taking advantage of her". He won;t
blame her.. he'll blame you. If he finds you... well... hope you have
good medical coverage. If you keep texting her, it's even worse, because
then you are trying to take her from him. And, he WILL forgive her,
because he's as big an idiot as she is.
The only smart move you have now is to avoid her and forget her
completely.
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She wants to meet a man and God dammit! I am a man! == Scruff