ASF Methods only work on SLUTS AND WHORES
Win At Betting
a. Having to approach women rarely, ONLY when it's a SUPER-HB and in a VERY
favorable environment (see "letting the game come to you"), and being
approached by them the rest of the time; OR
b. Paying a cover charge, wasting an evening, and hitting on a dozen women a
night, hoping to get 1-4 numbers from a CHEAP SLUT?
Which would you prefer:
a. Having women make passes at you; or
b. Trying to hypnotize them into not resisting passes from you they would
otherwise resist (they call that MINDRAPE).
Which would you prefer:
a. A woman who gives you shit-tests and treats you like shit, but you still
try for her anyway; OR
b. A woman who respects you enough not to give you shit in the first place.
Which would you prefer:
a. A woman who has slept with 12 guys this month and is high-risk for HIV; OR
b. A woman who has slept with two men in her life and is low-risk or no risk.
The choice is simple.
Foxhunting.
Ray Gordon, GENIUS
http://www.cybersheet.com
Not Here
"Win At Betting" <winatb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020531171148...@mb-mo.aol.com...
> Ask yourself LOGICALLY. Which would you prefer:
>
> a. Having to approach women rarely, ONLY when it's a SUPER-HB and in a
VERY
> favorable environment (see "letting the game come to you"), and being
> approached by them the rest of the time; OR
That never happens.
>
> b. Paying a cover charge, wasting an evening, and hitting on a dozen
women a
> night, hoping to get 1-4 numbers from a CHEAP SLUT?
That's why most PUA's don't go to bars.
>
>
> Which would you prefer:
>
> a. Having women make passes at you; or
Again, never happens.
>
> b. Trying to hypnotize them into not resisting passes from you they would
> otherwise resist (they call that MINDRAPE).
Correction... YOU call it mindrape. We call it "if they didn't have the
slightest bit interest in you, they wouldn't respond positively."
>
>
> Which would you prefer:
>
> a. A woman who gives you shit-tests and treats you like shit, but you
still
> try for her anyway; OR
If they treat you like shit, bitch-slap 'em (Just kidding). They ain't
worth your time, leave them and move on.
>
> b. A woman who respects you enough not to give you shit in the first
place.
Only happens when a man is confident in himself and commands respect in a
kind manner.
>
>
> Which would you prefer:
>
> a. A woman who has slept with 12 guys this month and is high-risk for
HIV; OR
>
> b. A woman who has slept with two men in her life and is low-risk or no
risk.
News Flash: if women help bleeding people or accidentally get bad blood at
the hospital (which admittedly is little to none), they can be at risk for
HIV, you dolt.
>
>
> The choice is simple.
>
> Foxhunting.
You wish.
Odious
Win At Betting wrote:
>
>
> b. Paying a cover charge, wasting an evening, and hitting on a dozen women a
> night, hoping to get 1-4 numbers from a CHEAP SLUT?
>
Ask yourself how valid Ray's opinions on what a slut is can be when he
brags about lying to strippers and telling them he is a psychic just to
get them to talk to him.
Ray has to attack the success he sees men achieving using SS and ASF
methods, because he simply can not hope to compete with his foxhunting
garbage. So he has to attack success to try and make his failure look
less pathetic.
Odious
Dr Square wrote:
>
> On 31 May 2002 21:11:48 GMT, in
> alt.seduction.fast,
> (winatb...@aol.com (Win At Betting)) wrote:
>
> >Ask yourself LOGICALLY. Which would you prefer:
> >
> >a. Having to approach women rarely, ONLY when it's a SUPER-HB and in a VERY
> >favorable environment (see "letting the game come to you"), and being
> >approached by them the rest of the time; OR
> >
> >b. Paying a cover charge, wasting an evening, and hitting on a dozen women a
> >night, hoping to get 1-4 numbers from a CHEAP SLUT?
>
> I'd rather approach and talk to any woman I
> wanted, whenever I wanted, rather than having
> to sit about posting to Usenet and hoping that
> someday a woman might approach me.
Exactly... ray simply does not understand what it is to be alpha. He
sits and waits and hopes women will choose him. While the alpha
approaches who he wants, when he wants, on his own terms to his own
ends.
The truth behind ray's whole "sit and wait" shit is that ray is
terrified of approaching women and being rejected. He knows he CAN'T
approach and seduce a woman because he has no capasity to excite any
woman's desires. He can't do it, because doing that requieres perceptive
skills and social skills that ray lacks.
So instead ray makes excuses to sit on his ass like a coward. Because
that is all he can do. Foxhunting is sour grapes seduction.
Toscano
James King
Betting <winatb...@aol.com> wrote:
[snip]
I find it remarkable that you spent a fair amount of time attempting to
prove that everyone in ASF was merely copying your intellectual
property regarding seduction.
Now you state that the only successes in this room are with sluts and
whores.
It seems to me that you have abandoned your former position.
Or perhaps that you saying that Foxhunting only works on sluts and
whores.
You have to choose one camp or the other, Gordon ...
Either people in ASF are getting quality women, and those people are
using your ideas and discoveries of concepts regarding seduction,
without paying you any royalities or giving you proper credit,
or
Because the concepts found in ASF and Foxhunting are so fundamentally
different (and therefore ASF could not have copied your ideas or
concepts), the women that each system attracts are fundamentally
different.
James King
Chris Bailey
"Win At Betting" <winatb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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You're a woman hater aren't you Ray; thats what this little obsession is all
about. I mean its clear to everyone here but thats where *all* of this anger
is coming from I'm convinced of it. Its written all over your "book" and
everyone of your posts. you despise the fact that they are allowed to screen
for looks, we aren't. That they have the right to be approached whereas we
have to do it. And then you spout about how SS methods work so effectively
but its morally wrong, I agree to a certain extent, I don't agree with a few
concepts and values, thats no sweat you just don't use them. In the next
moment you label the whole female population must be sluts because of this.
You can't blame Hollywood for spurting action shit which makes billions, and
you can't blame men for seducing women in a way that they like. You're not
blaming the provider, the guy, you're blaming the receiver being too stupid
for liking what they do. Yes, hypnosis and mind fucking is morally wrong but
unless you're Ross Jeffries or Derren Brown, us mere mortals can't do it. So
don't give me this shit that they don't know whats happening with the way
99.9% of ASF'ers do their thing, because they know perfectly well and enjoy
it. Thats an attack on women and what they value and I don't like that.
Men have the power Ray, despite what you think. We choose who we want, and
go and get it. That's power and that is what women want. We don't fuck
around with childish tricks to get somebody to approach you so that it hides
the fact you're scared of rejection. You're scared of rejection because you
hate giving women the satisfaction of being allowed to reject you. You hate
giving them the satisfaction because you consider yourself better than women
and they shouldn't be allowed to. Why else don't you do it, when you'll
approach online. Is it because everyone knows that you don't *actually*
approach when online and you don't want to look her in the eye when she
turns you down in real life?
Yes having women approach you is great, but where's your evidence. There's
nothing in your book, social proof and gimmicks, both stolen. You can't get
social proof until you've actually met someone so I guess we're left with
gimmicks. So I'll let you walk around with your little toy or whatever,
hoping that out of the 50 people that might be interested in it, the one you
want is, and I'll actually go talk to her. Fuck, have you ever actually
tried any of this or is it all in very poor theory
I've developed my own method and identity with ASF, by confidence building,
approaching, listening, eliciting values, telling stories, playing games,
being interesting and also have the tools to keep her. Never once doing
anything that I don't want to be doing. I don't do these things to get her
into bed, I do them because I'm interested in her, and i like women,
something that I couldn't do before ASF. Your material is not a method, its
a barrage of attacks of women and a pack of deceit as you lie about being
psychic, your online profile, being your own online pivot, multiple
identities, monitoring her, figuring out if shes ignoring you. Thats not
seduction, its sick.
I'll ask again, where's your method. I tally a couple of stolen ideas and
chicken shit online stuff. Sorry Ray but your online is quicker argument is
fundamentally flawed to mask the fact that you're scared. I'm afraid I have
to work, I'd prefer to meet a girl in a night, not spend hours all day
trawling, monitoring and chatting, which is what that takes to get anywhere.
Given by the great wealth of useless and similar posts you put on here every
hour, I get the feeling that you do this a lot. Here's a suggestion, you
seem to have lots of free time,
<whisper> Why not go out and meet some women? Do you even realise how
increased your chances of finding the great women are, it can't be any
harder because women approach you remember <ahem> or do you still need to
trick them using the shield of the net. Just sidestep the mindfucking of a
proper hypnotist which none of us can actually do, and the will to fuck a
girl within the first hours by pouring on the sexuality with patterns and
kino, and instead doing this a lot later in small doses as a tease and you
are left with me, who still considers themself a user of ASF. Do you have a
problem with me. Honestly, I'd like to know. Because I won't have you
calling my women sluts.
Win At Betting ADVISORY
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Michaela
"Not Here" wrote
| "Win At Betting" wrote
| > Ask yourself LOGICALLY. Which would you prefer:
| >
| > a. Having to approach women rarely, ONLY when it's a SUPER-HB and in a
| > VERY favorable environment (see "letting the game come to you"), and
being
| > approached by them the rest of the time; OR
|
| That never happens.
Course it does, except now you need to ponder
what challenge there is in that.
| >
| > Which would you prefer:
| >
| > a. Having women make passes at you; or
|
| Again, never happens.
Course it happens.
|
| >
| > Which would you prefer:
| >
| > a. A woman who gives you shit-tests and treats you like shit, but you
| > still try for her anyway; OR
When will you guys get it into your head? Women don't
have a patent on shit testing. Everyone does it! Think
about the concept of control for a while, will you?
|
| If they treat you like shit, bitch-slap 'em (Just kidding). They ain't
| worth your time, leave them and move on.
That's not necessarily true. If you opened yourself up
to a shit-test [you deserve it and] you will see it
through if you have any self worth. Then again
you're only in it for the seduction, aren't you?
| >
| > b. A woman who respects you enough not to give you shit in the first
| place.
|
| Only happens when a man is confident in himself and commands respect in a
| kind manner.
Yes.
| > Ray
- Michaela
Swank
winatb...@aol.com says...
> Ask yourself LOGICALLY. Which would you prefer:
> b. Paying a cover charge, wasting an evening, and hitting on a dozen women a
> night, hoping to get 1-4 numbers from a CHEAP SLUT?
Most normal people (this doesn't apply to you) desire companionship and
spending time with fellow human beings. Many of us actually ENJOY going
out, even if we don't drink. It's fun to be around other people in a
place that has a pretty charged atmosphere. It's fun to go out and
listen to a live band. It's fun to hang around watching movies at a
mates house. Ray, it's fun to get out the damn house and do things you
fucking wack job.
> a. A woman who has slept with 12 guys this month and is high-risk for HIV;
Leave your mother out of this, she has suffered enough.
--
Swank
"Your real duty is to save your dream."
--Mogdiliani
Odious
James you forgot the third option... Ray will tell any lie at any time if
he thinks it might help sell his shit.
Odious
Chris Bailey wrote:
>
>
> You're a woman hater aren't you Ray; thats what this little obsession is all
> about. I mean its clear to everyone here but thats where *all* of this anger
> is coming from I'm convinced of it. Its written all over your "book" and
> everyone of your posts.
It is not just that he hates them, he hates himself for wanting them and
he hates that his wanting them puts him in a position of being rejected
by them. And there is nothing that scares this little mama's boy more
than the prospect of a woman rejecting him.
So rather than risk rejection he rationalized his failure and attacks any
success had by any other men.
Not Here
"Michaela" <12...@scri.co.za> wrote in message
news:3cf92...@news1.mweb.co.za...
> Dear Ray and Not Here
>
> "Not Here" wrote
> | "Win At Betting" wrote
> | > Ask yourself LOGICALLY. Which would you prefer:
> | >
> | > a. Having to approach women rarely, ONLY when it's a SUPER-HB and in
a
> | > VERY favorable environment (see "letting the game come to you"), and
> being
> | > approached by them the rest of the time; OR
> |
> | That never happens.
>
> Course it does, except now you need to ponder
> what challenge there is in that.
It COULD happen, but does it? VEEEEERY rarely, if at all.
>
> | >
> | > Which would you prefer:
> | >
> | > a. Having women make passes at you; or
> |
> | Again, never happens.
>
> Course it happens.
Umm... heh...
>
> |
> | >
> | > Which would you prefer:
> | >
> | > a. A woman who gives you shit-tests and treats you like shit, but you
> | > still try for her anyway; OR
>
> When will you guys get it into your head? Women don't
> have a patent on shit testing. Everyone does it! Think
> about the concept of control for a while, will you?
I'll have to pass, my imagination is running wild on me at that one. A very
sick thought, BTW.
>
> |
> | If they treat you like shit, bitch-slap 'em (Just kidding). They ain't
> | worth your time, leave them and move on.
>
> That's not necessarily true. If you opened yourself up
> to a shit-test [you deserve it and] you will see it
> through if you have any self worth. Then again
> you're only in it for the seduction, aren't you?
Respect is first and foremost in my mind when I talk to someone, unless they
deserve it. Who's in what for the seduction? ME? Nonononononononono. I
prefer LTR as opposed to one-night stand with five women in five nights,
thank you very much.
>
> | >
> | > b. A woman who respects you enough not to give you shit in the first
> | place.
> |
> | Only happens when a man is confident in himself and commands respect in
a
> | kind manner.
>
> Yes.
well, at least I got SOMETHING alright. :p
>
> | > Ray
>
> - Michaela
Ric Bollen
"Win At Betting" <winatb...@aol.com> schreef in bericht
news:20020531171148...@mb-mo.aol.com...
I think this is very agressive and does not show much respect for women.
Ric Bollen
creosote
> have a patent on shit testing. Everyone does it!
They do? How strange.
Think
> about the concept of control for a while, will you?
ok, I'm thinking.
If you opened yourself up
> to a shit-test [you deserve it and] you will see it
> through if you have any self worth.
I dunno, seems like requesting a fecal sample is asking an awful lot.
A person with a sense of self-worth would be more likely to refuse
rather than comply.
> - Michaela