I went to aol messenger and showed a couple of random girls on the web mystery pic. They all universally agree that he's *very good looking...despite the fact that they didnt know he's 6'5(which is by the way even an added bonus). Mystery do have a lot of knowledge on women that he given us but average guys out there, do not think that once you got these knowledge you will become as good as him. Mystery "cupid" rating is "quite" high. Oh by the way, one of the chick up there claims to be a model and after seeing mystery pic she start to cybering with me...i block her.
>I went to aol messenger and showed a couple of random girls on the web >mystery pic. They all universally agree that he's *very good >looking...despite the fact that they didnt know he's 6'5(which is by >the way even an added bonus). Mystery do have a lot of knowledge on >women that he given us but average guys out there, do not think that >once you got these knowledge you will become as good as him. Mystery >"cupid" rating is "quite" high. Oh by the way, one of the chick up >there claims to be a model and after seeing mystery pic she start to >cybering with me...i block her.
That's CUPID for you....I've long said that most of the "PUA" here combine methods taken from my work, a high CUPID rating, and AFC behavior when no one is looking to get their women, then pound their chests like they are Tarzan.
> >I went to aol messenger and showed a couple of random girls on the web > >mystery pic. They all universally agree that he's *very good > >looking...despite the fact that they didnt know he's 6'5(which is by > >the way even an added bonus). Mystery do have a lot of knowledge on > >women that he given us but average guys out there, do not think that > >once you got these knowledge you will become as good as him. Mystery > >"cupid" rating is "quite" high. Oh by the way, one of the chick up > >there claims to be a model and after seeing mystery pic she start to > >cybering with me...i block her.
> That's CUPID for you....I've long said that most of the "PUA" here combine > methods taken from my work,
Stop lying ray... your earliest copyright date is AFTER you showed up here and started plagiarizing from guys like mystery, ross, and myself.
in article 20020610111946.27243.00000...@mb-cm.aol.com, A Modern Caveman at amoderncave...@aol.com wrote on 6/10/02 11:19 AM:
>> I went to aol messenger and showed a couple of random girls on the web >> mystery pic. They all universally agree that he's *very good >> looking...despite the fact that they didnt know he's 6'5(which is by >> the way even an added bonus). Mystery do have a lot of knowledge on >> women that he given us but average guys out there, do not think that >> once you got these knowledge you will become as good as him. Mystery >> "cupid" rating is "quite" high. Oh by the way, one of the chick up >> there claims to be a model and after seeing mystery pic she start to >> cybering with me...i block her.
> That's CUPID for you....I've long said that most of the "PUA" here combine > methods taken from my work, a high CUPID rating, and AFC behavior when no one > is looking to get their women, then pound their chests like they are Tarzan.
Though STUPID punished men for being over 6'4" Raytard. Mystery is 6'5", under STUPID, he should then have a lower rating.
> >I went to aol messenger and showed a couple of random girls on the web > >mystery pic. They all universally agree that he's *very good > >looking...despite the fact that they didnt know he's 6'5(which is by > >the way even an added bonus). Mystery do have a lot of knowledge on > >women that he given us but average guys out there, do not think that > >once you got these knowledge you will become as good as him. Mystery > >"cupid" rating is "quite" high. Oh by the way, one of the chick up > >there claims to be a model and after seeing mystery pic she start to > >cybering with me...i block her.
> That's CUPID for you....I've long said that most of the "PUA" here combine > methods taken from my work, a high CUPID rating, and AFC
behavior when no one
> is looking to get their women, then pound their chests like they are Tarzan.
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> > >I went to aol messenger and showed a couple of random girls on the web > > >mystery pic. They all universally agree that he's *very good > > >looking...despite the fact that they didnt know he's 6'5(which is by > > >the way even an added bonus). Mystery do have a lot of knowledge on > > >women that he given us but average guys out there, do not think that > > >once you got these knowledge you will become as good as him. Mystery > > >"cupid" rating is "quite" high. Oh by the way, one of the chick up > > >there claims to be a model and after seeing mystery pic she start to > > >cybering with me...i block her.
> > That's CUPID for you....I've long said that most of the "PUA" here combine > > methods taken from my work,
> Stop lying ray... your earliest copyright date is AFTER you showed up > here and started plagiarizing from guys like mystery, ross, and myself.
Despite the fact that i also hate ray...i found that there actually wisdom in his word. It seem that *any successful player have to be good looking. Even you odpius...in the previous post, people saw your pic and consider you're good looking. While i'm not fat, bald or ugly...most girl just consider me cute(not that cute since i only got called cute once by this one random girl). I'm also quite short 5'10...fucking girl dont take me seriously when you're that short. I *really like some feed back from people who are plain to ugly who also successful with women. By the way, women are really anal on who they consider good looking, tobey mcguire is consider plain to ugly.
> > > >I went to aol messenger and showed a couple of random girls on the web > > > >mystery pic. They all universally agree that he's *very good > > > >looking...despite the fact that they didnt know he's 6'5(which is by > > > >the way even an added bonus). Mystery do have a lot of knowledge on > > > >women that he given us but average guys out there, do not think that > > > >once you got these knowledge you will become as good as him. Mystery > > > >"cupid" rating is "quite" high. Oh by the way, one of the chick up > > > >there claims to be a model and after seeing mystery pic she start to > > > >cybering with me...i block her.
> > > That's CUPID for you....I've long said that most of the "PUA" here combine > > > methods taken from my work,
> > Stop lying ray... your earliest copyright date is AFTER you showed up > > here and started plagiarizing from guys like mystery, ross, and myself.
> Despite the fact that i also hate ray...i found that there actually > wisdom in his word. It seem that *any successful player have to be > good looking.
You consider that wisdom? Not only is it wrong, it is OLD and wrong.
> Even you odpius...in the previous post, people saw your > pic and consider you're good looking.
Ahh I don't know what pics you saw, but I'm more than a little freaky looking in my pics. Where exactly does a shaved head and vampire fangs fall on the CUPID scale? LOL!
> While i'm not fat, bald or > ugly...most girl just consider me cute(not that cute since i only got > called cute once by this one random girl). I'm also quite short > 5'10...fucking girl dont take me seriously when you're that short.
Dude, I'm only 2 inches taller than you... it isn't that big of a deal. Maybe if you were 4'10 you'd have a problem. Hell put on a pair of boots.
How can you expect any woman to think you looks don't matter, if you can't beleive your looks don't matter. It is a catch 22, if you get hung up on your looks, she will too.
> I > *really like some feed back from people who are plain to ugly who also > successful with women. By the way, women are really anal on who they > consider good looking, tobey mcguire is consider plain to ugly.
That's just it... women's opinions of what is attractive is in a constant state of flux. And if you're ugly, all you have to be able to do is excite a higher level desire in her... something she values more than looks.
WOmen have an amazing ability to rationalize if you make them feel good the way they want to feel.
> Ahh I don't know what pics you saw, but I'm more than a little freaky > looking in my pics. Where exactly does a shaved head and vampire fangs > fall on the CUPID scale? LOL!
> > > > >I went to aol messenger and showed a couple of random girls on the web > > > > >mystery pic. They all universally agree that he's *very good > > > > >looking...despite the fact that they didnt know he's 6'5(which is by > > > > >the way even an added bonus). Mystery do have a lot of knowledge on > > > > >women that he given us but average guys out there, do not think that > > > > >once you got these knowledge you will become as good as him. Mystery > > > > >"cupid" rating is "quite" high. Oh by the way, one of the chick up > > > > >there claims to be a model and after seeing mystery pic she start to > > > > >cybering with me...i block her.
> > > > That's CUPID for you....I've long said that most of the "PUA" here combine > > > > methods taken from my work,
> > > Stop lying ray... your earliest copyright date is AFTER you showed up > > > here and started plagiarizing from guys like mystery, ross, and myself.
> > Despite the fact that i also hate ray...i found that there actually > > wisdom in his word. It seem that *any successful player have to be > > good looking.
> You consider that wisdom? Not only is it wrong, it is OLD and wrong.
> > Even you odpius...in the previous post, people saw your > > pic and consider you're good looking.
> Ahh I don't know what pics you saw, but I'm more than a little freaky > looking in my pics. Where exactly does a shaved head and vampire fangs > fall on the CUPID scale? LOL!
Actually i never saw your pic...just some people who post the message that you're good looking. Would you mind posting your pic up so i could see?
> > While i'm not fat, bald or > > ugly...most girl just consider me cute(not that cute since i only got > > called cute once by this one random girl). I'm also quite short > > 5'10...fucking girl dont take me seriously when you're that short.
> Dude, I'm only 2 inches taller than you... it isn't that big of a deal. > Maybe if you were 4'10 you'd have a problem. Hell put on a pair of > boots.
Actually 6 foot is consider average...even a little* shorter than that is short. --damn, if you're 6'5 then chicks dig you and other guys fear you lol
> How can you expect any woman to think you looks don't matter, if you > can't beleive your looks don't matter. It is a catch 22, if you get hung > up on your looks, she will too.
Dude...women WILL get hung on your look regardless. I admit attitude play about...30 percent chances of your success, but looks play at least the other 70 percent. One of my cousin, he's half french 6'5, and he *never have problem with women. He's kind of dorky and not too much of a personality but he have *extremely easy time with women, even he said it himself. I saw that girls just smile at him, tried to be near him, and just plainly throw themself at him.
> > I > > *really like some feed back from people who are plain to ugly who also > > successful with women. By the way, women are really anal on who they > > consider good looking, tobey mcguire is consider plain to ugly.
> That's just it... women's opinions of what is attractive is in a constant > state of flux. And if you're ugly, all you have to be able to do is > excite a higher level desire in her... something she values more than > looks.
It's strange how even tobey play an action hero(spiderman) still dont help him increase his cupid scale. Trust me, looks is...frankly looks. It doesnt matter what you do, women will still know you're average to bad looking if you are.
> WOmen have an amazing ability to rationalize if you make them feel good > the way they want to feel.
I never actually seen a women rationalizing an ugly guy that he's a good looking guy. About that iranian from hell,,,i have to agree with etherman that the post just could've created out of one of the poster here imagination and have no bassis to reality at all.
> > > > > >I went to aol messenger and showed a couple of random girls on the web > > > > > >mystery pic. They all universally agree that he's *very good > > > > > >looking...despite the fact that they didnt know he's 6'5(which is by > > > > > >the way even an added bonus). Mystery do have a lot of knowledge on > > > > > >women that he given us but average guys out there, do not think that > > > > > >once you got these knowledge you will become as good as him. Mystery > > > > > >"cupid" rating is "quite" high. Oh by the way, one of the chick up > > > > > >there claims to be a model and after seeing mystery pic she start to > > > > > >cybering with me...i block her.
> > > > > That's CUPID for you....I've long said that most of the "PUA" here combine > > > > > methods taken from my work,
> > > > Stop lying ray... your earliest copyright date is AFTER you showed up > > > > here and started plagiarizing from guys like mystery, ross, and myself.
> > > Despite the fact that i also hate ray...i found that there actually > > > wisdom in his word. It seem that *any successful player have to be > > > good looking.
> > You consider that wisdom? Not only is it wrong, it is OLD and wrong.
> > > Even you odpius...in the previous post, people saw your > > > pic and consider you're good looking.
> > Ahh I don't know what pics you saw, but I'm more than a little freaky > > looking in my pics. Where exactly does a shaved head and vampire fangs > > fall on the CUPID scale? LOL!
> Actually i never saw your pic...just some people who post the message > that you're good looking. Would you mind posting your pic up so i > could see?
Yeah I should have my website up again in about a month.
> > > While i'm not fat, bald or > > > ugly...most girl just consider me cute(not that cute since i only got > > > called cute once by this one random girl). I'm also quite short > > > 5'10...fucking girl dont take me seriously when you're that short.
> > Dude, I'm only 2 inches taller than you... it isn't that big of a deal. > > Maybe if you were 4'10 you'd have a problem. Hell put on a pair of > > boots.
> Actually 6 foot is consider average...even a little* shorter than that > is short. > --damn, if you're 6'5 then chicks dig you and other guys fear you lol
Nah, look at all the super hunk movie stars... half of them are shorter than 5' 10". Hell Tom Cruise is practically a dwarf and you can almost fit leonardo dicaprio in a shoe box.
> > How can you expect any woman to think you looks don't matter, if you > > can't beleive your looks don't matter. It is a catch 22, if you get hung > > up on your looks, she will too.
> Dude...women WILL get hung on your look regardless.
Some might, but most won't. But if you are all hung up on your looks, she is going to take her cue from you.
> I admit attitude > play about...30 percent chances of your success, but looks play at > least the other 70 percent.
Not at all. Looks are not a roadblock, they are more like snow on the road. It doesn't mean you can't get where you want to go, it just means you have to do things a little differently... snow tires, chains etc.
Get out there, without being hung up on how you look, and you'll see what I mean. Sure looks make a difference, but you'll find that difference is not as much of an obstacle as you think.
> One of my cousin, he's half french 6'5, > and he *never have problem with women. He's kind of dorky and not too > much of a personality but he have *extremely easy time with women, > even he said it himself. I saw that girls just smile at him, tried to > be near him, and just plainly throw themself at him.
Yes, good looking guys have an easier go of it, that is to be sure. However that doesn't mean you have to be good looking to be successful with women.
> > > I > > > *really like some feed back from people who are plain to ugly who also > > > successful with women. By the way, women are really anal on who they > > > consider good looking, tobey mcguire is consider plain to ugly.
> > That's just it... women's opinions of what is attractive is in a constant > > state of flux. And if you're ugly, all you have to be able to do is > > excite a higher level desire in her... something she values more than > > looks.
> It's strange how even tobey play an action hero(spiderman) still dont > help him increase his cupid scale. Trust me, looks is...frankly > looks. It doesnt matter what you do, women will still know you're > average to bad looking if you are.
Well there's your problem. CUPID is the idiocy of ray... and is useless for seduction. All ray's crap is about making excuse, not finding success.
Are you more than your looks, or not? If so, you have more than your looks at your disposal for seduction.
> > WOmen have an amazing ability to rationalize if you make them feel good > > the way they want to feel.
> I never actually seen a women rationalizing an ugly guy that he's a > good looking guy.
Really, damn where do you live? Hell, all I have to do to see women rationalize about their ugly men is go to the beach. And the rationalization isn't that an ugly guy is good looking... it is that he isn't too ugly or that he has something else she cares about more than looks.
> About that iranian from hell,,,i have to agree with > etherman that the post just could've created out of one of the poster > here imagination and have no bassis to reality at all.
Could be, I've not read it. I'm speaking from personal experience seeing women with ugly dudes... and ugly chicks with hot guys.
> Nah, look at all the super hunk movie stars... half of them are shorter > than 5' 10". Hell Tom Cruise is practically a dwarf and you can almost > fit leonardo dicaprio in a shoe box.
The problem with this type of reasoning is that these guys are movies stars. Being rich and famous is much more important than height. So unless you happen to be rich and/or famous being short (less than say 5'10") is a major negative you're going to have to work around.
> > > > > > >I went to aol messenger and showed a couple of random girls on the web > > > > > > >mystery pic. They all universally agree that he's *very good > > > > > > >looking...despite the fact that they didnt know he's 6'5(which is by > > > > > > >the way even an added bonus). Mystery do have a lot of knowledge on > > > > > > >women that he given us but average guys out there, do not think that > > > > > > >once you got these knowledge you will become as good as him. Mystery > > > > > > >"cupid" rating is "quite" high. Oh by the way, one of the chick up > > > > > > >there claims to be a model and after seeing mystery pic she start to > > > > > > >cybering with me...i block her.
> > > > > > That's CUPID for you....I've long said that most of the "PUA" here combine > > > > > > methods taken from my work,
> > > > > Stop lying ray... your earliest copyright date is AFTER you showed up > > > > > here and started plagiarizing from guys like mystery, ross, and myself.
> > > > Despite the fact that i also hate ray...i found that there actually > > > > wisdom in his word. It seem that *any successful player have to be > > > > good looking.
> > > You consider that wisdom? Not only is it wrong, it is OLD and wrong.
> > > > Even you odpius...in the previous post, people saw your > > > > pic and consider you're good looking.
> > > Ahh I don't know what pics you saw, but I'm more than a little freaky > > > looking in my pics. Where exactly does a shaved head and vampire fangs > > > fall on the CUPID scale? LOL!
> > Actually i never saw your pic...just some people who post the message > > that you're good looking. Would you mind posting your pic up so i > > could see?
> Yeah I should have my website up again in about a month.
> > > > While i'm not fat, bald or > > > > ugly...most girl just consider me cute(not that cute since i only got > > > > called cute once by this one random girl). I'm also quite short > > > > 5'10...fucking girl dont take me seriously when you're that short.
> > > Dude, I'm only 2 inches taller than you... it isn't that big of a deal. > > > Maybe if you were 4'10 you'd have a problem. Hell put on a pair of > > > boots.
> > Actually 6 foot is consider average...even a little* shorter than that > > is short. > > --damn, if you're 6'5 then chicks dig you and other guys fear you lol
> Nah, look at all the super hunk movie stars... half of them are shorter > than 5' 10". Hell Tom Cruise is practically a dwarf and you can almost > fit leonardo dicaprio in a shoe box.
They look larger than life when they're show in the theater. PLus they're stars and somewhat decent looking. You havent answer my question on how being an action hero(spiderman) still doesnt help tobey mcguire image with the chicks much.
> > > How can you expect any woman to think you looks don't matter, if you > > > can't beleive your looks don't matter. It is a catch 22, if you get hung > > > up on your looks, she will too.
> > Dude...women WILL get hung on your look regardless.
> Some might, but most won't. But if you are all hung up on your looks, > she is going to take her cue from you.
> > I admit attitude > > play about...30 percent chances of your success, but looks play at > > least the other 70 percent.
> Not at all. Looks are not a roadblock, they are more like snow on the > road. It doesn't mean you can't get where you want to go, it just means > you have to do things a little differently... snow tires, chains etc.
> Get out there, without being hung up on how you look, and you'll see what > I mean. Sure looks make a difference, but you'll find that difference is > not as much of an obstacle as you think.
> > One of my cousin, he's half french 6'5, > > and he *never have problem with women. He's kind of dorky and not too > > much of a personality but he have *extremely easy time with women, > > even he said it himself. I saw that girls just smile at him, tried to > > be near him, and just plainly throw themself at him.
> Yes, good looking guys have an easier go of it, that is to be sure. > However that doesn't mean you have to be good looking to be successful > with women.
By the way, is it me or is it in the past girls arent as hang on looks as this new generation?
> > > > I > > > > *really like some feed back from people who are plain to ugly who also > > > > successful with women. By the way, women are really anal on who they > > > > consider good looking, tobey mcguire is consider plain to ugly.
> > > That's just it... women's opinions of what is attractive is in a constant > > > state of flux. And if you're ugly, all you have to be able to do is > > > excite a higher level desire in her... something she values more than > > > looks.
> > It's strange how even tobey play an action hero(spiderman) still dont > > help him increase his cupid scale. Trust me, looks is...frankly > > looks. It doesnt matter what you do, women will still know you're > > average to bad looking if you are.
> Well there's your problem. CUPID is the idiocy of ray... and is useless > for seduction. All ray's crap is about making excuse, not finding > success.
> Are you more than your looks, or not? If so, you have more than your > looks at your disposal for seduction.
> > > WOmen have an amazing ability to rationalize if you make them feel good > > > the way they want to feel.
> > I never actually seen a women rationalizing an ugly guy that he's a > > good looking guy.
> Really, damn where do you live? Hell, all I have to do to see women > rationalize about their ugly men is go to the beach. And the > rationalization isn't that an ugly guy is good looking... it is that he > isn't too ugly or that he has something else she cares about more than > looks.
> > About that iranian from hell,,,i have to agree with > > etherman that the post just could've created out of one of the poster > > here imagination and have no bassis to reality at all.
> Could be, I've not read it. I'm speaking from personal experience seeing > women with ugly dudes... and ugly chicks with hot guys.
I seen some decent looking girl with average to slightly overweight dude. I never seen super model with plain-ugly looking guys. I never seen male model with truly fat or ugly girls...actually this may seem possible since we male have stronger hormone and sometime we're willing to fuck *anything. My friend fuck a chick who's a foot shorter than him...but 50-70lb heavier than him :)
> > Nah, look at all the super hunk movie stars... half of them are > shorter > > than 5' 10". Hell Tom Cruise is practically a dwarf and you can > almost > > fit leonardo dicaprio in a shoe box.
> The problem with this type of reasoning is that these guys are movies > stars.
No I'm not talking about their ability to pick up chicks, rather the fact that they are still cast as hunks and romantics in movies despite being short.
> > > Actually 6 foot is consider average...even a little* shorter than that > > > is short. > > > --damn, if you're 6'5 then chicks dig you and other guys fear you lol
> > Nah, look at all the super hunk movie stars... half of them are shorter > > than 5' 10". Hell Tom Cruise is practically a dwarf and you can almost > > fit leonardo dicaprio in a shoe box.
> They look larger than life when they're show in the theater. PLus > they're stars and somewhat decent looking. You havent answer my > question on how being an action hero(spiderman) still doesnt help > tobey mcguire image with the chicks much.
I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Is spiderman really a sex symbol in the movie? I've not seen it yet?
> > > > How can you expect any woman to think you looks don't matter, if you > > > > can't beleive your looks don't matter. It is a catch 22, if you get hung > > > > up on your looks, she will too.
> > > Dude...women WILL get hung on your look regardless.
> > Some might, but most won't. But if you are all hung up on your looks, > > she is going to take her cue from you.
> > > I admit attitude > > > play about...30 percent chances of your success, but looks play at > > > least the other 70 percent.
> > Not at all. Looks are not a roadblock, they are more like snow on the > > road. It doesn't mean you can't get where you want to go, it just means > > you have to do things a little differently... snow tires, chains etc.
> > Get out there, without being hung up on how you look, and you'll see what > > I mean. Sure looks make a difference, but you'll find that difference is > > not as much of an obstacle as you think.
> > > One of my cousin, he's half french 6'5, > > > and he *never have problem with women. He's kind of dorky and not too > > > much of a personality but he have *extremely easy time with women, > > > even he said it himself. I saw that girls just smile at him, tried to > > > be near him, and just plainly throw themself at him.
> > Yes, good looking guys have an easier go of it, that is to be sure. > > However that doesn't mean you have to be good looking to be successful > > with women.
> By the way, is it me or is it in the past girls arent as hang on looks > as this new generation?
I think it is just you. You're letting this get to you to much. The more you focus on your looks, the more you will draw focus to your looks.
Have you seen Gunwitch's post?
________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Looks does matter but height doesnt that much Date: 13 Jun 2002 10:04:45 GMT From: gunwitch11111...@aol.com (Gunwitch11111111) Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast References: 1
Somebody said in one of the posts on here "women dont take me serious cause im only 5'10''." I just wanna let everyone know thats bullshit. Im 5' 9'' in my boots and i score like a fucking machine in tennis shoes when im 5'7'' as well, i am also ugly in the face but am well built and muscular which is far more important.
Women see height as good protector status. When they see that you could still crush two fuckin skinny little 6' twerps without breaking a sweat, that goes out the window.
Lift some weights and wear a tank top people. Even if you are 6' 25'' or whatever, you aint gonna get no decent trim with a beer gut and skinny little toothpick arms. Dorks come in all heights, good looking guys only come in certain bodyfat percentages and muscle sizes. ________________________________________________________________________
> > > > Actually 6 foot is consider average...even a little* shorter than that > > > > is short. > > > > --damn, if you're 6'5 then chicks dig you and other guys fear you lol
> > > Nah, look at all the super hunk movie stars... half of them are shorter > > > than 5' 10". Hell Tom Cruise is practically a dwarf and you can almost > > > fit leonardo dicaprio in a shoe box.
> > They look larger than life when they're show in the theater. PLus > > they're stars and somewhat decent looking. You havent answer my > > question on how being an action hero(spiderman) still doesnt help > > tobey mcguire image with the chicks much.
> I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Is spiderman really a sex > symbol in the movie? I've not seen it yet?
Well, maybe spidey isnt really a sex symbol. But tobey does play a fun and amazing character who do stuff...if that doesnt get chicks juice running then i have no idea what else you can do.
> > > > > How can you expect any woman to think you looks don't matter, if you > > > > > can't beleive your looks don't matter. It is a catch 22, if you get hung > > > > > up on your looks, she will too.
> > > > Dude...women WILL get hung on your look regardless.
> > > Some might, but most won't. But if you are all hung up on your looks, > > > she is going to take her cue from you.
> > > > I admit attitude > > > > play about...30 percent chances of your success, but looks play at > > > > least the other 70 percent.
> > > Not at all. Looks are not a roadblock, they are more like snow on the > > > road. It doesn't mean you can't get where you want to go, it just means > > > you have to do things a little differently... snow tires, chains etc.
> > > Get out there, without being hung up on how you look, and you'll see what > > > I mean. Sure looks make a difference, but you'll find that difference is > > > not as much of an obstacle as you think.
> > > > One of my cousin, he's half french 6'5, > > > > and he *never have problem with women. He's kind of dorky and not too > > > > much of a personality but he have *extremely easy time with women, > > > > even he said it himself. I saw that girls just smile at him, tried to > > > > be near him, and just plainly throw themself at him.
> > > Yes, good looking guys have an easier go of it, that is to be sure. > > > However that doesn't mean you have to be good looking to be successful > > > with women.
> > By the way, is it me or is it in the past girls arent as hang on looks > > as this new generation?
> I think it is just you. You're letting this get to you to much. The > more you focus on your looks, the more you will draw focus to your > looks.
I think GUnWitch did mention that guys who are bigger(musclelly) does get more chick. PLus, if you're tall and MUSCLE and good looking...i doubt gunwitch himself could compete with that.
> ________________________________________________________________________ > Subject: Re: Looks does matter but height doesnt that much > Date: 13 Jun 2002 10:04:45 GMT > From: gunwitch11111...@aol.com (Gunwitch11111111) > Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com > Newsgroups: alt.seduction.fast > References: 1
> Somebody said in one of the posts on here "women dont take me serious > cause im > only 5'10''." I just wanna let everyone know thats bullshit. Im 5' 9'' in > my > boots and i score like a fucking machine in tennis shoes when im 5'7'' as > well, > i am also ugly in the face but am well built and muscular which is far > more > important.
> Women see height as good protector status. When they see that you could > still > crush two fuckin skinny little 6' twerps without breaking a sweat, that > goes > out the window.
> Lift some weights and wear a tank top people. Even if you are 6' 25'' or > whatever, you aint gonna get no decent trim with a beer gut and skinny > little > toothpick arms. > Dorks come in all heights, good looking guys only come in certain > bodyfat > percentages and muscle sizes. > ________________________________________________________________________
> > > > > Actually 6 foot is consider average...even a little* shorter than that > > > > > is short. > > > > > --damn, if you're 6'5 then chicks dig you and other guys fear you lol
> > > > Nah, look at all the super hunk movie stars... half of them are shorter > > > > than 5' 10". Hell Tom Cruise is practically a dwarf and you can almost > > > > fit leonardo dicaprio in a shoe box.
> > > They look larger than life when they're show in the theater. PLus > > > they're stars and somewhat decent looking. You havent answer my > > > question on how being an action hero(spiderman) still doesnt help > > > tobey mcguire image with the chicks much.
> > I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Is spiderman really a sex > > symbol in the movie? I've not seen it yet?
> Well, maybe spidey isnt really a sex symbol. But tobey does play a > fun and amazing character who do stuff...if that doesnt get chicks > juice running then i have no idea what else you can do.
First off Spiderman is for guys, not chicks, in general. Secondly, as I understand it, Toby spends all the bad ass parts of the movie in a full body suit. WHen you see his face, he's the dorky Peter Parker.
> > > > > > How can you expect any woman to think you looks don't matter, if you > > > > > > can't beleive your looks don't matter. It is a catch 22, if you get hung > > > > > > up on your looks, she will too.
> > > > > Dude...women WILL get hung on your look regardless.
> > > > Some might, but most won't. But if you are all hung up on your looks, > > > > she is going to take her cue from you.
> > > > > I admit attitude > > > > > play about...30 percent chances of your success, but looks play at > > > > > least the other 70 percent.
> > > > Not at all. Looks are not a roadblock, they are more like snow on the > > > > road. It doesn't mean you can't get where you want to go, it just means > > > > you have to do things a little differently... snow tires, chains etc.
> > > > Get out there, without being hung up on how you look, and you'll see what > > > > I mean. Sure looks make a difference, but you'll find that difference is > > > > not as much of an obstacle as you think.
> > > > > One of my cousin, he's half french 6'5, > > > > > and he *never have problem with women. He's kind of dorky and not too > > > > > much of a personality but he have *extremely easy time with women, > > > > > even he said it himself. I saw that girls just smile at him, tried to > > > > > be near him, and just plainly throw themself at him.
> > > > Yes, good looking guys have an easier go of it, that is to be sure. > > > > However that doesn't mean you have to be good looking to be successful > > > > with women.
> > > By the way, is it me or is it in the past girls arent as hang on looks > > > as this new generation?
> > I think it is just you. You're letting this get to you to much. The > > more you focus on your looks, the more you will draw focus to your > > looks.
> I think GUnWitch did mention that guys who are bigger(musclelly) does > get more chick. PLus, if you're tall and MUSCLE and good looking...i > doubt gunwitch himself could compete with that.
Listen, you really seem to like your fears and your doubts. I can not take away your fears or your doubts, especially if you like them so much that you won't let them go or even accept they might not be as powerful as you've made them out to be.
It looks to me as if you've gotten too comfortable believing these things are true. THese fears and doubts are like a shield for you to hide behind. They are what you use to talk yourself down and to make yourself feel ok about not taking risks. It is always safer and more comfortable to do nothing, rather than go out and risk rejection.
So you need to ask yourself what is more important to you... success with women, or never risking getting rejected. Because the fact is even hot guys get rejected, that's just the nature of the game.
If you are fat and ugly, you will get rejected by all the women who care only about looks and weight. However those women make up a small percentage of women, and frankly i think filtering out the shallow bitches right off the top is going to save you time and effort in the long run.
However you're never going to find an attractive woman who doesn't care about looks, if all you do is sit on your ass and make excuses about why you can't approach women because of your looks.
