PROPOSED NEWSGROUP: alt.pickup-artist
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<dostoevs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In article <9l89qsgotc9q3iutho547k5q0egnd6fhof@news-server>,
> -= Hawk =- <ha...@Spam-Me-Not.cfl.rr.com> wrote:
>> On 24 Aug 2000 03:14:33 GMT, alph...@aol.com (ALPHAHOT1) scribbled:
>>
>> >More colloquially known as Alt."PUA"
>> >alt.pickup-artist will be a newsgroup in which both men
>> >and women alike can discuss and exchange ideas about
>> >their own unique and extraordinary styles of
>> >meeting, getting to know, and "picking up" members
>> >of the opposite sex. Always a topic of great and
>> >intense interest among many men and women!
>>
>> Duplicates: alt.seduction.fast, alt.seduction.outfoxing
>
> Both groups were chartered to discuss commercial products (Ross
>Jeffries' Speed Seduction and Ray Gordon's crap respectively). ASF is
>engulfed continually by flames and trolls regarding both products, while
>ASO is completely empty. The prevalence of flames in ASF have also
>provoked threats of attempted retro-moderation by the group's alleged
>creator. These factors seem to justify the creation of a group regarding
>general discussion of any methods that work, not just certain
>limited-scope commercial products.
>
Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction and Ray Gordon's Crap. There is a difference?
>
> --- The Russian Novelist ---
>
>
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>Before you buy.
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<the-guardian-...@gmx.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:41:44 -0500,
>Multonne <bud...@shangrila.heaven> wrote:
>
>> Yes, we need this newsgroup.
>
>Who is we?
The folks in asf, aso, SailorMoon. Haven't you been paying attention?
>To not ask, who are you?
>
>> ALPHAHOT1 wrote:
>>
>>> More colloquially known as Alt."PUA"
>>> alt.pickup-artist will be a newsgroup in which both men
>>> and women alike can discuss and exchange ideas about
>>> their own unique and extraordinary styles of
>>> meeting, getting to know, and "picking up" members
>>> of the opposite sex.
>
>What about members of the same sex?
>
>>> Always a topic of great and
>>> intense interest among many men and women!
>
>Yeah and how "pervert" will this group get?
>Does this include picking up one-night-stands?
>Then you should consider declaring as sex-related adult
>NG and place it into alt.sex.*
>
>alt.sex.pickup-artist
>
>Although alt.sex.pickup would sound better to me.
>
>Or isn't that a social topic?
>
>alt.soc.pickup-artist
>
>What about alt.society.pickup-artist?
>
>This all doesn't sound good.
>The idea for this group sounds great to me, but
>the place and name, well, somehow seems to be
>not chosen that well.
>
>You should maybe re-consider those two a second time.
>Anyway, put something in your description that made the
>meaning of "pickup-artist" more obvious, since I'm
>afraid this 'artist' is confusing people. They mistake
>it 'pickup' for an art-style or whatever.
>
tm
<the-guardian-...@gmx.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 05:11:26 GMT,
>The Russian Novelist <dostoevs...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Duplicates: alt.seduction.fast, alt.seduction.outfoxing
>>
>> Both groups were chartered to discuss
>> commercial products
>
>HAH and again, I'm the one who gets right in the long run.
>
>See, what do we have here? Two perfect NGs that would perfectly
>cover a topic and that way make a new group unecessary.
Absolutely. That is why it should be discussed IN those groups. Please continue.
>But thanks to the holy charter about all you people keep on
>praying day and night, thanks to this charter that I call crap,
>it happened exactly what I predicted!
>
>Those two newsgroups became unusable because they have a wrong
>charter. So, you Usenet Gods, what do you do now?
>How will you now escape the mess into that your own ideas
>pushed you?
>
>HAH, that's just perfect!
>
>If those groups wouldn't have had a charter in the first place,
>there wouldn't be any problems now. That's what I mean by
>charters cause more trouble than they prevent.
>
>Thanks to this crappy charter I have to agree with this poster
>and say: Yes, they DO have any right to create a new group
>for this topic!
>
>
>See, the only thing that charters do is causing duplicate
>NGs on the Net, instead of one group for every topic. As
>long as you can't change charters, it's a very bad idea
>to support them. See what they can do to a group?
>
>
>> also provoked threats of attempted retro-moderation
>> by the group's alleged creator.
>
>So we have soon a moderated group? Hah, another reason
>why they have a right to create a new NG and another
>reason why charter sucks.
>
>Shot, hit and engulfed!
>
>One Topic - One Newsgroup
>, but only if there's no charter.
>
>With charter it'll be:
>One Topic - Several Newsgroups
>
>What would you people say about creating:
>alt.seduction.artists?
>(ASA)
>
>You could also create alt.secution.pickup-artists,
>but when you already have seduction in the name,
>what do you need Pick-Up for? You can use
>pick-up in the description of the group.
>
>And yes:
>FUCK THE CHARTER!
>
tm
alph...@aol.com (ALPHAHOT1) wrote:
>For a bit more input, this would be my official position
>upon sending the control message (which I probably
>should have posted in the first place):
>
>
>For your newsgroup file:
>alt.seduction.pickup-artist Discussion of seduction and "pick-up" styles.
>
>Charter:
>alt.seduction.pickup-artist is an environment in which men and women may
>discuss ideas and views of their own unique and extraordinary methods
>and/or techniques of "picking up" members of the opposite sex. This could
>involve anything from "one-night-stands" to short or long term relationships.
>Flame wars, while briefly entertaining to spectators, are not relevant to the
>group and should be conducted by private email.
>The newsgroup will not be moderated.
>Binary or off-topic posts are not permitted.
>
>Justification of Readership:
>A "recent" scan of Deja Archives revealed 3382 matches for
>keyword 'seduction', and 743 for keyword 'PUA' (pick up artist).
>There are currently no groups devoted to the discussion of *any and
>all* forms of seduction or pick-up styles. Only those which have a commercial
>purpose to sell or promote a particular product. So a group of this nature
>is increasingly desirable!
>
>Please give this humble proposal your consideration.
>
>Thank You.
Okay.
-= Hawk =-
>In article <4zbp5.17652$ZI2.1...@news1.rdc1.il.home.com>, "Adam H.
>Kerman" <a...@chinet.chinet.com> wrote:
>
>>alph...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>For your newsgroup file:
>>
>>The file is "newsgroups".
>>
>>>alt.seduction.pickup-artist Discussion of seduction and "pick-up" styles.
>>
>>In the brief description, don't say "discussion" and don't repeat words in
>>the group name. You want a phrase made up of other key words.
>>
>>>Charter:
>>>alt.seduction.pickup-artist is an environment in which men and women may
>>>discuss ideas and views of their own unique and extraordinary methods
>>>and/or techniques of "picking up" members of the opposite sex. This could
>>>involve anything from "one-night-stands" to short or long term relationships.
>>>Flame wars, while briefly entertaining to spectators, are not relevant to the
>>>group and should be conducted by private email.
>>
>>Don't discuss flame wars; you cannot control it.
>>
>>>The newsgroup will not be moderated.
>>>Binary or off-topic posts are not permitted.
>>
>>>Justification of Readership:
>>>A "recent" scan of Deja Archives revealed 3382 matches for
>>>keyword 'seduction', and 743 for keyword 'PUA' (pick up artist).
>>>There are currently no groups devoted to the discussion of *any and
>>>all* forms of seduction or pick-up styles. Only those which have a commercial
>>>purpose to sell or promote a particular product. So a group of this nature
>>>is increasingly desirable!
>>
>>Look, you cannot prevent discussion of those "commercial" products from
>>moving into third group. What exactly do you intend to do about it?
>
>
>
>This mess should just be passed on to alt.seduction.fast. Maybe they'll
>explode into another interesting flamewar.
It was rather amusing the last time, wasn't it?
>>As there are two existing groups, how many of those messages on seduction
>>did not discuss those two commercial products (or flames of the products)?
>>What period did you use? Did you read any of the messages to determine
>>how many of them are of the type of discussion you want?
>>
>>Till you review those messages, till you tell us what period you searched,
>>the Justification is inadequate.
>>
>>Brian Mailman asks us to point out that doing a proper Justification is for
>>the good of starting a successful newsgroup, so that the proponent can
>>quantify how much interest there will be in the topic. Without an adequate
>>amount of traffic presently on Usenet, the new group would fail. It won't
>>have the discussion you are looking for and it will fill with spam.
>>
>>Cooperate on performing the Justification as it will help you.
--
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TGOS <the-guardian-...@gmx.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:41:44 -0500,
> Multonne <bud...@shangrila.heaven> wrote:
>
> > Yes, we need this newsgroup.
>
> Who is we?
>
> > ALPHAHOT1 wrote:
> >
> >> More colloquially known as Alt."PUA"
> >> alt.pickup-artist will be a newsgroup in which both men
> >> and women alike can discuss and exchange ideas about
> >> their own unique and extraordinary styles of
> >> of the opposite sex.
>
> What about members of the same sex?
Including women is bad enough. Do we really need ginger beers too? I
think it should be just one for straight men. Let women who are so ugly
no-one ever shags them, and queers, get their own. I don't want to read
sex-pickup posts by butch dom women and butt surfers, thankyou very
much...
>
> >> Always a topic of great and
> >> intense interest among many men and women!
>
> Yeah and how "pervert" will this group get?
> Does this include picking up one-night-stands?
> Then you should consider declaring as sex-related adult
> NG and place it into alt.sex.*
>
> alt.sex.pickup-artist
>
> Although alt.sex.pickup would sound better to me.
"alt.sex.pickup". Well, that certainly cuts through the bullshit,
doesn't it?
Jim.