Boy, are they ever turning into not only Foxhunters, but LAZY Foxhunters.
One guru now likens not having money to being physically ill and something he would have to "fix" before he felt comfortable running game.
Another flat-out said that "wealth" is part of game and offered "the good life" to his prospects when he was searching for the type of relationship he said was for chumps since the chicks always cheat.
Yet another guru spends $200 (why not, the students pay) on a "club" where only pretty women get in, they get in free, and the guys blow between $150-200 in a NIGHT, and he calls that "game."
Now we have another guru claiming that he's gained weight so his game is off.
How amusing that only AFTER they gain these things do they realize just how much it helped their "game," and they act like it's some new discovery. They also must lack brains, because if they had brains, they wouldn't need looks, status, or personality.
Students of these gurus should ask them the tough questions before parting with their money, since the COWARDS hide behind affiliates, associates, censors, and flunkies, refusing to debate in a free-speech environment. Hell, one of them says he wouldn't even have "game" without money now; whose money is buying him his game?
Don't be fooled!
-- Ray Gordon, Author http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating affiliated books!
Don't know what "guru" you are talking about, but it apparent that he has no skills. If it took money and looks I would be living alone and never have banged 173 women in my happy life. Without the skills I learned from SS,Nlp,Hyp, I would just be another guy...hoping.
SluttyFox Never try to figure out women.....understand them.
> Boy, are they ever turning into not only Foxhunters, but LAZY Foxhunters.
> One guru now likens not having money to being physically ill and something > he would have to "fix" before he felt comfortable running game.
> Another flat-out said that "wealth" is part of game and offered "the good > life" to his prospects when he was searching for the type of relationship > he said was for chumps since the chicks always cheat.
> Yet another guru spends $200 (why not, the students pay) on a "club" where > only pretty women get in, they get in free, and the guys blow between > $150-200 in a NIGHT, and he calls that "game."
> Now we have another guru claiming that he's gained weight so his game is > off.
> How amusing that only AFTER they gain these things do they realize just > how much it helped their "game," and they act like it's some new > discovery. They also must lack brains, because if they had brains, they > wouldn't need looks, status, or personality.
> Students of these gurus should ask them the tough questions before parting > with their money, since the COWARDS hide behind affiliates, associates, > censors, and flunkies, refusing to debate in a free-speech environment. > Hell, one of them says he wouldn't even have "game" without money now; > whose money is buying him his game?
> Don't know what "guru" you are talking about, but it apparent that he has > no skills. If it took money and looks I would be living alone and never > have banged 173 women in my happy life. Without the skills I learned from > SS,Nlp,Hyp, I would just be another guy...hoping.
You're responding to a man in his late 30's, with no evident income, who still lives at home, and has yet to substatiate his claim that he is a seduction "guru". I for one fail to see how someone with his pathetic life could possibly consider himself a seduction "guru".
> Don't know what "guru" you are talking about, but it apparent that he has > no skills. If it took money and looks I would be living alone and never > have banged 173 women in my happy life. Without the skills I learned from > SS,Nlp,Hyp, I would just be another guy...hoping.
Well, I'll tell you when I first was exposed to NLP: it was 1994. I had a chat on AOL called "I hypnotize women" and scored a number of hotties from it (this was before there was any formal hypnosis member chat). Phone, meeting (including a 9.9 18 y/o, still the hottest I ever found online; no lay, but "everything else but" and some very sexy hypnosis to prevent herpes, on the first date), and submissives left and right.
Some guy tells me about Ross Jeffries and I visit his site, get his old "speedsed.zip" file that was a lot more hardcore than what you hear today. I actually thought his views on women as expressed in that file were more on target than when he talks about doing SS "with a woman."
I rejected the concept of NLP seduction only because I want the woman to participate actively in the hypnosis. I figured if I really wanted to milk the hypnosis gimmick I could become a stage hypnotist or a therapist, but I didn't even like that. What I did do was begin asking women point-blank: "do you like hypnosis?" and usually I'd wind up with either a hypnotist or a subject. In my books I refer to it as the "hypnosis gimmick." I even met a woman on a plane once who was into NLP and if my connecting flight had been laid over the night like hers was, well....I tried buying her a drink and dinner and couldn't even do that because they kept comping us; she had jumped six rows back to sit next to me and we wound up on the tarmac for three hours with free booze.
I did try some basic patterns and they worked (my being 6'2", in top shape, and looking good in a suit didn't hurt), but I didn't find the woman a keeper, nor did the "connection" last beyond the dance floor. I could have easily gamed her other ways.
The gurus I'm referring to here are of the newer variety, some of them were AFC just a few short years ago and think they figured out the game. They look at a guy my age and think I was never 25 years old and able to game in a bar; of course I was ABLE, but in between "games" is a lot of crap that doesn't suit someone with less time to waste. I actually was getting more lays with CHESS than anything else, since I have a "passion" for it.
Those who read the rest of the web will find several postings to this effect; the gurus don't even try to hide it because they can't. Their students point out that they could do a lot more if they had an expensive lifestyle and had their game paid for by selling game, or if they looked better, etc. I believe Ross criticized a few for the same thing, though he isn't exactly poor (not that money matters to NLP guys as many are dead broke).
The new "community" has devolved to a self-help circle-jerk in many ways in that factors that build a CUPID rating are now considered part of "inner game." The very purpose of CUPID is to factor OUT inner game: I know if I can get an 18 y/o 9.9 to beg me to hypnotize her -- and I have, more than once -- my "game" is fine.
What really convinced me that once a man has "game" he's just fishing is my experience with strip clubs. I can take $25 into a club, buy two long-island iced teas for myself (about $15 with tip), and I get $10 to tip the dancers, some of whom I will skip. At $1 a tip, that's 10-15 hotties approaching me, and I can even survey the club to see what's worth hitting on and go for the hottest one first (pulled a # that way in about five minutes and had my tips refused). Go to a club on a day with rotten weather at an off hour and you can wind up with a half-dozen bored dancers (some of whom work bad shifts to get good ones) and it's quite cheap (plus it makes the bar look busier so my presence is valuable social proof).
In the strip club example, I know that out of every 100 dancers that approach me, about 3-5 of them are going to respond to the hypnosis gimmick enough to leave an e-mail or #. Of those, about 20-40 percent will wind up as lays if I game them right. This reduces getting laid by a hottie (if that's my only goal) to a simple numbers game. I've done this several times, never spent a lot (2 percent at $1 a clip is $50 a lay tops, for the first lay only of course), and developed a very reliable way for an older guy with a low CUPID rating to get laid. Strippers are so BORED and OWNED by men they can't stand, and usually can slot in one they find interesting, as long as he understands their lifestyle.
Now, once I mastered strip clubs, the first thing I did was stop going to them, also because they tend to react like a casino being beaten by a card counter if a guy starts scoring (one time I got the # of the DJ's girlfriend and that was kind of lame). The typical college campus of course has much hotter women, and if you can game a stripper in her club, you can game any chick, anywhere. I gamed a 9.5 yesterday by using her DOG as an approach vehicle (I made an intelligent comment about the breed).
I also see gurus gravitating to Foxhunting a lot more lately in that they seem to have *just* realized that if they really are these superstuds, they'd be ignoring all but the hottest women, approaching sparingly, and with the confidence of a man who doesn't give a fuck if he gets rejected. He'd also have pivots out the wazoo.
Almost all of the different methods agree 100 percent on how women behave; where they disagree is on what to do about it. One guru will say "women lie; deal with it" while another will say "if she lies, screen her out, etc." Still another might say to pattern her into being honest, while yet another will say to remain alpha and not lose your cool.
What's interesting is that these gurus don't mention their use of the "guru gimmick" much, except in passing. One guru said that his website was his primary pickup tool when he was on the road (he just points women to it and they like what they see, etc.). If that's the case, shouldn't he be teaching his students how to run workshops with their wings to draw females into the conversation?
As more and more gurus argue over these things, it's inevitable that they will adopt more of my claims about CUPID not being game, or how money is now their game, etc. The fundamental problem of the percentage of hotties not increasing will show as more and more men chase fewer and fewer hotties who haven't already been gamed. Every other market works that way, and there's no reason to expect that this one is any different.
-- Ray Gordon, Author http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html Seduction Made Easy. Get this book FREE when you buy participating affiliated books!
>> Don't know what "guru" you are talking about, but it apparent that he has >> no skills. If it took money and looks I would be living alone and never >> have banged 173 women in my happy life. Without the skills I learned from >> SS,Nlp,Hyp, I would just be another guy...hoping.
> Well, I'll tell you when I first was exposed to NLP: it was 1994. I had a > chat on AOL called "I hypnotize women" and scored a number of hotties from > it
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More delusional ramblings from one of Usenet's biggest newsloons.
> > Don't know what "guru" you are talking about, but it apparent that he has > > no skills. If it took money and looks I would be living alone and never > > have banged 173 women in my happy life. Without the skills I learned from > > SS,Nlp,Hyp, I would just be another guy...hoping.
> Well, I'll tell you when I first was exposed to NLP: it was 1994. I had a > chat on AOL called "I hypnotize women" and scored a number of hotties from > it (this was before there was any formal hypnosis member chat). Phone, > meeting (including a 9.9 18 y/o, still the hottest I ever found online; no > lay, but "everything else but" and some very sexy hypnosis to prevent > herpes, on the first date), and submissives left and right.
Let me get this straight, Gordon Roy Parker of Pennsylvania claims that he hypnotized a girl to prevent her from catching his herpes? Now 11 years later and still no one takes him seriously?
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 9:00:54 -0800, Ray Gordon wrote (in message <aPxFd.72$Vx2.63@trndny01>):
>> Don't know what "guru" you are talking about, but it apparent that he has >> no skills. If it took money and looks I would be living alone and never >> have banged 173 women in my happy life. Without the skills I learned from >> SS,Nlp,Hyp, I would just be another guy...hoping.
> Well, I'll tell you when I first was exposed to NLP: it was 1994. I had a > chat on AOL called "I hypnotize women" and scored a number of hotties from > it (this was before there was any formal hypnosis member chat). Phone, > meeting (including a 9.9 18 y/o, still the hottest I ever found online; no > lay, but "everything else but"
Oh, is that what how describe the famed "Internet close?" Tell, me does it involve one having to masturbate all over the keyboard? Also, how do you really know if the person on the other end is indeed a "9.9 18 y/o" and not, say, a 38 year old closet homosexual creep posing as a young girl to ensnare gullible losers into masturbating with him online? What, do they post their picture online? Ya, that's hard evidence, alright.
Uh, thanks, but no thanks. "Internet clsoing" is the most laughable thing I've heard in years.
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> I did try some basic patterns and they worked (my being 6'2", in top > shape, and looking good in a suit didn't hurt), but I didn't find the > woman a keeper, nor did the "connection" last beyond the dance floor. I > could have easily gamed her other ways.
At least until she found out that you live with your mommy.
Ray Gordon wrote: > Boy, are they ever turning into not only Foxhunters, but LAZY Foxhunters.
> One guru now likens not having money to being physically ill and something > he would have to "fix" before he felt comfortable running game.
> Another flat-out said that "wealth" is part of game and offered "the good > life" to his prospects when he was searching for the type of relationship he > said was for chumps since the chicks always cheat.
> Yet another guru spends $200 (why not, the students pay) on a "club" where > only pretty women get in, they get in free, and the guys blow between > $150-200 in a NIGHT, and he calls that "game."
> Now we have another guru claiming that he's gained weight so his game is > off.
> How amusing that only AFTER they gain these things do they realize just how > much it helped their "game," and they act like it's some new discovery. > They also must lack brains, because if they had brains, they wouldn't need > looks, status, or personality.
If these "gurus" have no brains, how do you explain their amazing ability to convince people to buy tehir "cowardly" books. I'd be willing to lay out a bet that you'd be writing books and selling advice (if someone would listen) if it supported your financial freedom. Calling your "gurus" stupid is a bit short of rational. Regardless of the advice they may be providing, their effective marketing (either to women, readers, or both) can not be easily dismissed. There's no real reason to write this stuff here. Let people read, and let them establish their own opinions of technique. It's not all bad, and it's not all good. It's just takes a little brainpower to figure that out.
> Students of these gurus should ask them the tough questions before parting > with their money, since the COWARDS hide behind affiliates, associates, > censors, and flunkies, refusing to debate in a free-speech environment. > Hell, one of them says he wouldn't even have "game" without money now; whose > money is buying him his game?
> Ray Gordon wrote: > > Boy, are they ever turning into not only Foxhunters, but LAZY
Foxhunters.
foxhunters? there's a good laugh. ray assumes that they are using his stuff (by referring to them as "foxhunters") while at the same time railing on them because they don't subscribe to his unworkable seduction technique.
> > One guru now likens not having money to being physically ill and something > > he would have to "fix" before he felt comfortable running game.
so says you. nobody else.
> > Another flat-out said that "wealth" is part of game and offered "the good > > life" to his prospects when he was searching for the type of relationship he > > said was for chumps since the chicks always cheat.
so says you. nobody else.
> > Yet another guru spends $200 (why not, the students pay) on a "club" where > > only pretty women get in, they get in free, and the guys blow between > > $150-200 in a NIGHT, and he calls that "game."
so says you. nobody else.
> > Now we have another guru claiming that he's gained weight so his game is > > off.
so says you. nobody else.
> > How amusing that only AFTER they gain these things do they realize just how > > much it helped their "game," and they act like it's some new discovery. > > They also must lack brains, because if they had brains, they wouldn't need > > looks, status, or personality.
so says you. nobody else.
> If these "gurus" have no brains, how do you explain their amazing > ability to convince people to buy tehir "cowardly" books. I'd be > willing to lay out a bet that you'd be writing books and selling advice > (if someone would listen) if it supported your financial freedom.
if it required actual work for ray to do in chyckworld, forget it. he's terrified of human interaction. i have yet in over 9 years to find any real person (outside of ray's occasional sock puppets that pop up like scabby prarie dogs from time to time) that says that anything that ray *didn't rip off* from someone else, would actually work. nobody has ever supported his work.
ray puts all his financial "eggs" in the ratty basket of lawsuits with the hope he can bait anyone wealthy enough into saying something he can carry into court with him. producing something anyone else would be able to use is not only beyond his abilities, ray considers it to be beneath him. guys who work for a living are suckers that are slaves to the time clock, in ray's book. the moocher is his sick creed and he makes no moves to hide it. he's ashamed of it but he's too stupid to be able to hide it.
i also believe that ray sabotages his business on purpose so that he can claim "damages". who would he expect to buy his stuff after badmouthing the 9/11 wtc victims, taliban operatives? ray is an idiot that mistanly thinks that everyone out there is stupider than him when he is actually dumber than the dumbest of all of them. that's why he whines and moans whenever his schemes backfire on him.
he thinks himself a genius in a world full of rubes and learns absolutely nothing from each failure of his plans to come to fruition.
> Calling your "gurus" stupid is a bit short of rational. Regardless of > the advice they may be providing, their effective marketing (either to > women, readers, or both) can not be easily dismissed. There's no real > reason to write this stuff here. Let people read, and let them > establish their own opinions of technique. It's not all bad, and it's > not all good. It's just takes a little brainpower to figure that out.
> -Kory (The newest PUA-in-training)
> > Students of these gurus should ask them the tough questions before parting > > with their money, since the COWARDS hide behind affiliates, associates, > > censors, and flunkies, refusing to debate in a free-speech environment. > > Hell, one of them says he wouldn't even have "game" without money now; whose > > money is buying him his game?
