Hi guys.  I'm wondering if you can help me out on this one.  I'm 22 a
recovering afc, i attend school and work part time in retail.  There's this
girl at my work who just broke up with her boyfriend (HB 8).  She's 17,
italian, and she's not one of the most intelligent girls i've known.  She's
actually quite superficial.  She's the type that goes to clubs and will try
to get guys to do deeds for her.  Since reading this newsgroup i've learned
to not supplicate and pour on the kino, which is what i have done with this
girl.  There's many things she's wanted me to do for her, but i always say
no, and over time she's come to respect me.  She kino's back to me and she
is attracted to me.  So anyways, yesterday she was talking about how it
feels so good to be single and how she wants to remain single for the
summer, and how she's having so much fun, and how she wants to mack it up
with guys.  Than out of the blue she says to me "I'd fuck you if you were
taller."  Kind of a compliment but also an insult.  I'm 5'6 which isn't that
short.  Weird comment for her to say considering that she's only about 5'1,
although she does where platform shoes which brings her up to about 5'4.
I'm a good looking guy (7-7.5) and obviously she's attracted to me but
height is an issue.  What can i go to get her to see by this and get the
lay?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Here's your first piece of advice:

http://www.fastseduction.com/asf-faq.shtml#q002

Well, which is it, intelligent or superficial?

So far, she sounds like a regular, plain, run-of-the-mill HB.

Here's another place for you to DYOH:

http://www.fastseduction.com/asf-faq.shtml#q027

I hope you're doing anti-supplication, as opposed to just refusing
to do things for her. There's a difference. Read more about it here:

http://www.fastseduction.com/asf-faq.shtml#q046

She's challenging you. Elicit her ENDS values about tall guys,
and mirror them back to her. Her telling you that she likes tall
guys is a MEANS value. RTFM. There's a great section on Formhandle's
site about exactly this. Read it here: (paste all of the URL)

http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/03_Approaching/06_Eliciting
_Values/eliciting.shtml

No, it ISN'T an issue. It's a SHIT TEST. Call her on it.
(Again, paste all parts of the URL into a browser.)

http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=retrieve&grp
=1&mn=93804184849337

Start here:
http://www.fastseduction.com/asf-faq.shtml

Then go here:
http://www.fastseduction.com/guide/

HTH

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Aside from the points of one-itis that others have already pointed out, it
should actually be quite simple...  Why does she like tall guys?  ELICIT her
feelings... what is it that she feels about tall guys that makes her
attracted to them...  if she's like most chicks, tall guys give her a sense
of protection and security, which in a fucked up, chick logic way makes it
OK to fuck them...  if that is the case, you simply have to make her
associate those feelings of protection and security WITH YOU, through nlp or
other techniques... it not as hard as you might think...  ("isn't it amazing
how you can just feel so safe and secure with someone, and just be able to
open youself completely to them, without fear, NOW WITH ME, I feel this is
an incredible thing.. etc.. etc.. you get the idea)  what is critical to
this is you have to create those protected feelings in her, and to do so you
must be HIGH STATUS... tall guys generate these feelings simply by virtue of
their height, you have to do it by virtue of your STATUS... ie you have to
have the kind of attitude that when you walk into a room you OWN that
room... you are the COMPLETE MASTER of all your surroundings...  this kind
of status will EVOKE the same kind of "protected" feelings in a chick... in
fact, it will even make you seem taller (I shit you not) People usually
assume Im signifigantly taller than I really am (3-4 inches) simply b/c I
carry myself with an ASSERTIVE AIR.  Even people who have known me for some
time are usually surprised when I tell them my actual height, b/c they
thought I was taller...  Regardless it seems like she's basically giving you
the green light, as long as you can evoke those feelings in her... in a
nutshell, she wasn't saying "I'd fuck you if you were taller", she's REALLY
saying "I'd fuck you if you evoked the same kinds of feelings in me that
tall guys do..."  you do that, you're golden...

"That's funny, I was just thinking that I'd fuck you if you weren't so
superficial..."

No it's not.

My question is, how did you respond to her when she said that?  The
answer to your own question hinges on that.  Do you realize that she may
very well WANT to fuck you but the way she worded it was a shit test, to
observe your response?

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Formhandle <formhan...@aol.com> wrote in <3B362845.E40C1...@aol.com>:

Glad you said that, Formhandle. I was thinking the same. "Iiii ...'d fuck
you IF ... umm ... you weren't wearing blue shoes. Iiii ...'d fuck you IF
... umm ... you had a moustache. Iiii ...'d fuck you IF ... umm ..." If you
start wearing orange shoes and growing a moustache, you've been caught as a
supplicator. "I'd fuck you if" is about as obvious as it gets.

My ideal response, if I can think fast enough: "What makes you think I
would LET you fuck me?" And then, if she's stunned into silence, "I mean,
with stupid comments like that, about height and shit, ... ." From there,
it depends on context and I can't really figure what would happen next just
from a newsgroup posting.

This response is congruent with the whole "I'm the prize, you must chase
me" thing, which chicks (or at least, THIS particular chick) seem to
understand internally and are born with knowledge of, but which guys seem
to need years of newsgroup training to FINALLY BEAT INTO OUR THICK HEADS.
Heh. Stop thinking in terms of whether or not the chick will "let" you fuck
her; and start thinking in terms of displaying such value, and such
capacity for independence, that SHE becomes desperate and needy to CHASE
you and will beg and plead that you fuck her.

Been there, done that.

They will give you all sorts of shit. She is not concerned with your
height
per se, she is *missing* something else.

You will need to demonstrate more personality, or different angles of
it.
She is not convinced yet. Give her one more reason to fuck you, and
she will
do it.

Height/Wight/race/income etc etc, are not high on women's list, trust
me.
unless she is some light-head bitch, which you should avoid.
They want an *strong* character, demonstrate principles and values,
and stick
to them. Even "no, i don't drink after 8pm" works like magic.

As always, persuade persuade persuade, slow down slow down slow down.
don't make
her a one-itis, yet don't give up. hit on other girls in her
pressence. better
yet, hit on hot chicks, and let her *see* their positive responses.
You don't
have to hit on them for real, just for the show, make them laugh and
get a hug.

If she is light headed, then put her in a sitaution were she cann't
get laid,
and get her as horny as they get.
I went over to this girl's place when she was babysitting. she never
thought of
me sexually, i was LJBFed. i went to her place, grabbed the phone, and
spoke to
my GF very sexually. everyonce in a while, i would hang up the phone,
get something to eat, and go heavy kino on her.
Then back to the phone...
By 11pm, i told her i was going to my GF to get laid, and gave her a
hug good bye.
This hug lasted till 2AM ;-)

If you are well built. take off your shirt when you are both alone,
and start
messaging your arms, chest, etc. if she LJBFed you once, she will
notice your
*skin* and start thinking...

I chick once told me i was too short -i am 5.7- i was embarassed by
her rudeness
and mummbled some self defence crap. (why are women so rude?)
A week alter she saw me sucking on an *Norwegian* blonde babe, at the
movie theatre.
She couldn't beleive her eyes. she made a 180 degree turn from where
she was
standing.
Next day, she kept telling me i am disgusting i was doing *that* in
public,
and kept calling the girl a hoe, and how she wont let *me* do that in
public ;-)

Stop believing the idiots here who tell you height does not matter, for
starters.

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"SlickEddieZ" <edwa...@dont.you.dare.spam.me.wharton.upenn.edu> wrote in
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Just as a side point... My roommate has a "strict" height restriction for
guys she dates- no one under 5'10".   Guess how tall her last BF was?  5'6".
take it as you will...

Spoken by a man with little stature.

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Class is now in session...

She likes to have fun eh? I'm wondering if this chick really just
wants to fuck a few guys here and there without wanting to be in a
serious relationship?  But being a chick they don't want to seem like
a slut.  Here's a possible move in case that is the case here. I heard
this one on Blind Date from one of the few guys who did get laid which
I'm beginning to use more.....

The guy says during the beginning of the date, "I'm not the kind of
guy that gives flowers and candy and says 'i love U', I just like to
have fun. I'm just not like that. I just like to have fun" said
smiling.  And all through the date, he was smiling, having fun,
kinoing, sexual innuendos , kissed without asking and got the lay at
the end of the show.  He was basically giving the chick an opportunity
to get with him just to have a good time (fuck) without the courtship
bullshit (flowers & candy).  Then again, that assumes that is your
goal.  Maybe you want to marry her :-)

What makes you think that statement was literal?

"taller" = man enough

Translation: "I'll gladly fuck you if you're man enough.  Please prove
to me that you're man enough and I'll fuck you."

If you answer that line of bullshit by acknowledging the fact that you
are NOT tall enough either directly or indirectly, you'll get be
further from from your goal of getting laid, because you're
acknowledging the fact that you're "not man enough" as her chick logic
dictates.  As you already know, the guys that did stuff for her were
not man enough, so no pussy for them.

"Those are nice shoes, it makes you look taller." (mystery)
"Where'd you get those shoes?" wait for answer, "They look nice
anyways."

Your height is not the issue.  It's another chick test.  Since she
can't get you to supplicate like other guys using her normal methods,
she's getting out her big guns and making up some clever bullshit way
to make you supplicate.  The good news is that you are almost "over
the hump" towards a lay as you haven't fallen for her usual bullshit.

What I'm wondering was what you said to her right after she said that?
 Did you say nothing?  Did you acknowledge either directly or
indirectly that her bullshit statement was literal?  If you said
nothing, what was your reaction?

Oh yeah....you work in retail?  Here's a cool neg in case she's being
bitchy and needs to be taken back down to earth.  When you're busy and
can't help the customer, say to the customer loud enough so HBshorty
can hear, "That nice lady over there can help you."  The fact that
you're calling a young and attractive chick a "lady" implies a lot of
negative things to her like the possibility that she is not
fuckworthy.

POS-Andrew

"The Seduction Library" <theweakestlin...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010624145649.07245.00000273@ng-ft1.aol.com...

I must agree with TSL on this.  I am 5'7" myself, and 25 years old so I have
seen quite a bit.  To a girl, being short is like what being fat/overweight
is to most guys.  It would take as much effort for a fat out of shape girl
to convince you to hook up with her as a short guy to convince a girl to
hook up with him.  It's bitter reality like it or not.

My two cents

"Phil DiPortana" <unpiccio...@hotmail.com> wrote in
<PHrZ6.99540$W02.1822...@news1.rdc2.on.home.com>:

First off, it's true, and really a pisser. Second off, it's not true at
all, and stop having those self-defeating thoughts.

Height is one of many things that chicks tend to go for, initially, given
that all other things are equal. But plenty of chicks have learned, often
by means of the hard way, that tall guys aren't worth any more than
average-height or short guys. It's true, that all other things being equal,
a tall guy will pull more. But it's also true, that tall guys without PU
skills aren't EQUAL in all other things, to a PUA.

I'm 5'8" and have managed, somehow, to kick the "tall" thing about chicks.
I go for really short chicks (naturally; not deliberately -- my preferences
simply happen to be, for 5' tall or so). I carry myself tall and alpha.
People who should know better, guess that I'm 6 feet tall. So, it's
possible to fool them.

Likewise, chicks want that FEELING. They DENY REALITY when it doesn't
coincide with their feelings. Let that work for you. Do a search, etc. etc.
It's all in the newsgroup. Height and money are things chicks sort of know
they "ought" to be looking for, but are just as likely to be passed over as
accepted, if someone with remarkable skills arrives on the scene. You can
be that someone.

It is pretty annoying, though, that chicks will yammer all day about how
sexist men are, for wanting skinny hot-looking women, but won't find it
sexist of THEMSELVES to want tall square-jawed men. At least skinniness and
fatness are things that people have SOME degree of control over ... height
and jawline are ENTIRELY involuntary.

Harrumph. Women!

;)

On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 10:50:57 -0400, "geeber79" <geebe...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
  Than out of the blue she says to me "I'd fuck you if you were

Dude, she is either testing you or a tease.  If she is testing you -
tell her 'what makes you think I would want to bang you?' - you're too
short for me!  Make it a challenge for her.  I think she is testing to
see what you will do for her - leading you when you should be leading
her.  At the end of the day - it doesn't matter what she says, if you
get her into the state of being horny - she will sleep with you -
regardless of height.

David Johnson
http://mindiscovery.itgo.com
NLP & SS

We only learn from failure...

news:Xns90CAAD64D7EF1FinalDFinalDFinalD@207.217.77.25...

Right on FinalD... Some of the best players I know are UNDER 5'8"  having
the attitude of "oh I'm short so I must not be able to get chicks" is
TOTALLY self defeating...  Does being short make it harder to get chicks?  a
little, but it is something that is actually relatively easy to overcome...

Same here... it's all about how you carry yourself...  I personally am
rather tall (just under 6)  but I regularly get mistaken for 6'3" or so...

yup.. chicks like tall guys b/c of the way they make them FEEL
(protection/security).  If you can evoke the same feelings in them, they
will be just as attracted to you.  The way to do this is through STATUS.

Chick logic at it's finest... yet another product of our AFC-ized, feminazi
culture...
I remember a post a while ago where a guy was talking about his female
friend who was being a total bitch going on about how if a guy wanted to
date her he had to "be tall, have a great body, nice car, be good in bed,
and treat her like a queen" to which he replied "well for a chick to date
me, she has to have huge tits, a great ass, skinny, sucks a mean dick and
has a tight pussy, and buys him shit"  and SHE get all pissed off at him for
being misogynistic, until he points out that he just said the EXACT SAME
THING AS HER.... god, the double standard is so ingrained in our culture,
that women don't even see it in themselves...

 Tell her to fuck off and quit sexually harrassing you. The workplace is no
place for her type of mating and dating sexual relations and preferences
discussion. I know im the last person on this NG who should stand on the moral
high ground here but she is causing a disruptive unproductive work enviroment.
Im sure the manager would fire her if you bring to her attention that this
woman is sexualy belittling you and making it hard to work. Work is no place to
be overtly sexual.

Two cents is about the value of this advice. Your reality sucks man. Any of
you who believe this stuff about height being a requisite to get chicks can
stay home or just go after short girls. If you still don't get it I'll break
it down right here. It's not the height she is after, it's the FEELING she
gets when she is around a guy who fits the description her romance
novel/mom/friends/media told her she wants. Learn to create those feelings
and you get the girl mmkay? There's a NG where we used to discuss HOW to do
this... If you rely on your height, money, car etc. to get women, then you
got no skills.
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"It makes me feel good to know one thing I know, ooh I'm a lover..."

I'm 5'10". Not big enough to have made it in the NFL, but it didn't
stop me from TWO camps. Seattle and Jacksonville both took a look.

If I had thought the way you do, I'd never have gone to either camp.

I'd always have wondered what might have been.

You agree with "Ray"? If you agree with the purely theoretical,
never-been-tested-in-the-field, made-up or plagiarized ideas of
someone who is obviously psychotic, then you need this:

<plonk>

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Hell Yeah!!!!!
If they do it to men, do it to them.

right away, say "height doesn't matter laying down"

Anton Keseph
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Anton Keseph <akes...@yahoooooo.con> wrote in
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Brilliant. You win "best answer" award.

Ray...
Then why are most of the great players that I know under 5'6?