An account of Scammer Adam Lyons of PUA Training And His Failings (Richard La Ruina)
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Hello
For those who read my posts you'll know that I had dealings with Adam
Lyons and that he admitted to various counts that PUA is a SCAM, 98%
of PUA instructors (including those at PUA Training) don't get laid
and that the true reason he had "success" was the fact he was already
popular with women before he got into Game-because of his high paying
Job in Public Relations in London- and that all of the girls he laid
(all 30 of them- yep just 30) were because he was friends with them
prior to Game.
He even mentioned that his method of Cold Approaching women during
Daygame onto successfully inviting her out to a Nightclub later (even
as a "friend") was a hoax.
I knew the above point to be true as he always mentioned in his
seminars that "numbers closes aren't anything" and that the chances of
a woman following you up later are next to none (which has been
reported widely across the board on PUA Hate AND even PUA Companies
own forums).
Some other pointers I'll put in my review
1) I saw Adam Lyons get turned down infield by 3 women in a row. One a
genuine HB9, one a HB8 and one a HB5!
When I got 4 sets and numbered closed them all.
2) Adam admitted he was an "un-official" club promoter. He claims he
had a Database of 3000 willing women.
However in the "party photos" I've seen on Flickr- Google "Project
Entourage" in Images and you'll see its the same 10 girls over and
over.
He also said that he doesn't lay that many girls for those who did
bother turning up.
I made the mistake of exposing www.projectentourage.com which has
since been taken down- as it was proof that "Social Circle" was
everything.
3) I caught Adam Lyons plagerising Neil Strauss, Mystery Method- with
him quoting things off of their websites and passing them off as his
own.
4) During a Nightclub visit only two girls from his "Entourage" turned
up (so much for the "ten girls only" claim) and they are the only ones
that feature in his promotional literature.
In my view both were under 5 foot 5- both HB6 and HB6.5.
Obviously they were trying to take me down a peg or two by saying I
"wasn't good looking" or "I was hitting on them" which was bullshit-
they just didn't want to have a conversation like normal people
because they were trying to "big up" Adam as the only man they'd talk
to.
I left them to it and......
5)...I was then approached by 5 seperate Club goers in the same
Nightclub where Adam supposedly had "Social Proof" to point out that
Adam is a known charlatan that invites relatively good looking- but
girls with low "Social Economic" Value into Exclusive Clubs.
Adam himself only got into the club because he made the requisite
minimum of $73,000- $90,000 (£50,000-£60,000 GBP) per year as a PR
man- but even more as a PUA.
Most girls in the club don't like him due to his known PUA reputation
as "sleazy" who'll shag anything.
6) Although the above should've been enough, I did some background
research into "Social Economics" what it was etc.
Brad Ps "Club CD" is good "theory" on the subject.
When I qustioned Adam Lyons about our previous encounter- he cracked
and admitted that Entourage Game- was merely having social skills and
understanding that the majority of "normal guys" have.
He admitted that a) fancy nightclub invites were good for attracting
the girls- even though he didn't sleep with the vast majority of them
b) his job in Public Relations did indeed mean he had higher "Career
Networking Value" and this "helping" girls often lead to sex. Because
women do fuck guys for Networking Value.
7) I met his girlfriend/wife Amanda Torres during the above. In three
words how would I describe her?
Icy- Materialistic-Emotionless
She came across as very "stepford wives" despite me saying a friendly
hello and trying to build a normal conversation (again like all Adam's
girls- she wasn't very co-operative- nor responsive- nor interested in
adding anything to the teachings0. I found her rude so I rightfully
ignored her for the rest of training0 trying on occassion to get her
to chip in her "extensive PUA knowledge as a world class female
trainer".
After I handed my Money to Adam (cash in hand) I went to the toilet-
as I came back she was leaving with my money (I saw Adam hand it to
her). I asked where she had gone Adam said "Shopping".
Wow, you go girl! What a way to prove you are a credit to all women.
You go shopping halfway during a Bootcamp! Adam said "she felt you
only wanted to speak to me" WTF!
I'd been encouraging her to chip in- but she gave one worded answers
and looked bored- as well as lying about her profession. When I asked
what she wanted to be in High School (I knew she was planning to be a
Cheerleader) she said "Writer".
Anyways after the bootcamp ended she didn't even say goodbye-and said
"I'm going to spend the rest on a brand new IPOD." before fucking off
the Oxford Streets Apple Store, not even saying thank you or good
luck.
8) Adam's junior trainer. When I talked about what we (Adam and
myself) had discussed "Networking Value" and "Entourage*" (*read-
normal Social Skills) I made the observation.
"You know Neil Strauss. He had a lot of powerful connections/
networking value within the music industry. In fact come to think of
it people were suprised he pulled Lisa Leveridge (HB8)- when in fact
she was in a shitty band and probably needed a big break. So come to
think of it he didn't need Game. Also Lisa Leveridge's next boyfriend
was Robbie Williams (mega UK popstar and former member of Take That)
so she was continuing with the "music networking" boyfriends"
(as another point Neil Strauss' current girlfriend is a pornstar.
Whats the connection? Answer- he wrote "How to Make Love like a
pornstar" with Jemma Jameson. Again powerful connections in the porn
industry!)
"so my question to you (Jenk). Is that we don't need Game at all do
we? Its all about Social Career/networking Value"
Jenk "Yep. Neil Strauss already had the connections. He didn't know
his own worth or how to apply them. Thats where Mystery came in"
(sic)
Me- "So whats your Networking Value Jenk?"
Jenk "Adam Lyons"
Says it all really doesn't it?
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> 1) I saw Adam Lyons get turned down infield by 3 women in a row. One a
> genuine HB9, one a HB8 and one a HB5!
> When I got 4 sets and numbered closed them all.
I had someone from this group ask me for advice on the stripper he
swiped from me. I let him talk for an hour, then asked why she
changed her number before I could call her back (it wasn't me). The
best women I ever met, and did very well with (emotionally) was when I
had NO GAME, and parked in the "friend zone" with each, to get to know
them, and to see how their "game" worked. That is what converted me
into a PUA in two years, plus another ten or so of perfecting my
techniques. Then I got old.
If a man is NOT failing with 95 percent of the women he hits on, he's
aiming too low.
> 2) Adam admitted he was an "un-official" club promoter. He claims he
> had a Database of 3000 willing women.
Yes the party/PUA/promotional connectiosn should be obvious. Anyone
who feeds customers to a venue is at an advantage. However, that
advantage can lead to sex too. The trick is to see how they do
outside that environment. I always did better with "regular" game,
with women I enocuntered normally. As a longer, I also tend to BEGIN
in isolation, a huge edge.
> However in the "party photos" I've seen on Flickr- Google "Project
> Entourage" in Images and you'll see its the same 10 girls over and
> over.
That's to protect female privacy.
> it was proof that "Social Circle" was
> everything.
I debuted the PIVOT concept in 1998, as a way for the nice guy to turn
the "friend zone" into the RED ZONE. If you want a SUPER-ELITE woman
(9.5+), don't act like you have to score before midnight, lest you
turn into a pumpkin. That's DESPERATION. It works on the RHCs
(random hot chicks) because they live in the moment, but a SUPER-ELITE
is going to take PLENTY of time before she decides to have sex with
you. Why? A 9.5 doesn't have to fuck a guy to get him to love her.
DUH.
> passing them off as his
> own.
Neil Strauss and VH-1 stole the PIVOT from me (one of the most
effective tactics ever), but that's also par for the course. All that
did was teach you that DISTRIBUTION is everything. I often say
Mystery is not the best PUA in the world, but he is the most
INFLUENTIAL. They are not the same thing.
> 4) During a Nightclub visit only two girls from his "Entourage" turned
> up (so much for the "ten girls only" claim) and they are the only ones
> that feature in his promotional literature.
Two isn't bad. Super-hot women are flaky. A PUA should expect a 95
percent failure rate if he's aiming at the super-elites.
> In my view both were under 5 foot 5- both HB6 and HB6.5.
6 and 6.5 are NHB (near-hot babe), not HB. If they are that weak,
they are THROWAWAYS. The league I played in as a teen through age
thirty had very few women under HB9, almost none under HB8, and some
"sure thing" NHBs for when I liked them, or just wanted an easy lay or
control.
> Obviously they were trying to take me down a peg or two by saying I
> "wasn't good looking" or "I was hitting on them" which was bullshit-
> they just didn't want to have a conversation like normal people
> because they were trying to "big up" Adam as the only man they'd talk
> to.
Before you said you #closed four sets. Now they're ugly?
> I left them to it and......
>
> 5)...I was then approached by 5 seperate Club goers in the same
> Nightclub where Adam supposedly had "Social Proof" to point out that
> Adam is a known charlatan that invites relatively good looking- but
> girls with low "Social Economic" Value into Exclusive Clubs.
Haters will call names to guys who get laid. Since the women who
reject him will be loud about it, while the women he lays will be
quiet, your statement proves nothing. I do like that women respond to
money, kowledge, and status. I can use that at ANY age, but I'd
hardly call it "game."
> Adam himself only got into the club because he made the requisite
> minimum of $73,000- $90,000 (£50,000-£60,000 GBP) per year as a PR
> man- but even more as a PUA.
My book deals EXTENSIVELY with money as game. The problem is that the
target is always into the money, and views the man as a chore (if not,
he doesn't need his money). She'll underperform sexually almost every
time, unless he's a super-rich guy they feel they are AUDITIONING for,
not some random six-figure guy they can replace.
> Most girls in the club don't like him due to his known PUA reputation
> as "sleazy" who'll shag anything.
Yeah they hate him so much he's got a corner office in their brain.
>
> 6) Although the above should've been enough, I did some background
> research into "Social Economics" what it was etc.
> Brad Ps "Club CD" is good "theory" on the subject.
> When I qustioned Adam Lyons about our previous encounter- he cracked
> and admitted that Entourage Game- was merely having social skills and
> understanding that the majority of "normal guys" have.
Nothing wrong if it works, though I find it time consuming. I write
about "lifestyle integration" as a way of blending one's regular and
love lives.
> He admitted that a) fancy nightclub invites were good for attracting
> the girls- even though he didn't sleep with the vast majority of them
> b) his job in Public Relations did indeed mean he had higher "Career
> Networking Value" and this "helping" girls often lead to sex. Because
> women do fuck guys for Networking Value.
No shit. Most are whores when they need to be.
> 7) I met his girlfriend/wife Amanda Torres during the above. In three
> words how would I describe her?
> Icy- Materialistic-Emotionless
> She came across as very "stepford wives" despite me saying a friendly
> hello and trying to build a normal conversation (again like all Adam's
> girls- she wasn't very co-operative- nor responsive- nor interested in
> adding anything to the teachings0. I found her rude so I rightfully
> ignored her for the rest of training0 trying on occassion to get her
> to chip in her "extensive PUA knowledge as a world class female
> trainer".
I'd be suspicious of men who use their SOs in their PUA teaching. Why
do that to a girlfriend?
> After I handed my Money to Adam (cash in hand) I went to the toilet-
> as I came back she was leaving with my money (I saw Adam hand it to
> her). I asked where she had gone Adam said "Shopping".
With YOUR money. Now that is sad. Even sadder is that you probably
spent thousands on him, due to your own status-addiction, yet would
have thumbed your nose at my book when it was $9.95, or even now when
it's free. That's why I went back to the track. I take women from
idiot men, and money from them in the betting pools. I don't have to
prove I'm a better horseplayer than other men; I can let my money do
the talking.
> Wow, you go girl! What a way to prove you are a credit to all women.
> You go shopping halfway during a Bootcamp! Adam said "she felt you
> only wanted to speak to me" WTF!
> I'd been encouraging her to chip in- but she gave one worded answers
> and looked bored- as well as lying about her profession. When I asked
> what she wanted to be in High School (I knew she was planning to be a
> Cheerleader) she said "Writer".
The worst part is that nothing you write about here will help you with
the super-elites.
> Anyways after the bootcamp ended she didn't even say goodbye-and said
> "I'm going to spend the rest on a brand new IPOD." before fucking off
> the Oxford Streets Apple Store, not even saying thank you or good
> luck.
Did they pay you? No, you paid them. Who is smarter?
> 8) Adam's junior trainer. When I talked about what we (Adam and
> myself) had discussed "Networking Value" and "Entourage*" (*read-
> normal Social Skills) I made the observation.
>
> "You know Neil Strauss. He had a lot of powerful connections/
> networking value within the music industry. In fact come to think of
> it people were suprised he pulled Lisa Leveridge (HB8)- when in fact
> she was in a shitty band and probably needed a big break. So come to
> think of it he didn't need Game. Also Lisa Leveridge's next boyfriend
> was Robbie Williams (mega UK popstar and former member of Take That)
> so she was continuing with the "music networking" boyfriends"
> (as another point Neil Strauss' current girlfriend is a pornstar.
> Whats the connection? Answer- he wrote "How to Make Love like a
> pornstar" with Jemma Jameson. Again powerful connections in the porn
> industry!)
I'd like to know where the dozens of women he claims to have thrown
numbers away for are, since they were so power-hungry, and could
easily have gotten their 15 minutes of fame by being gamed by Neil
Strauss.
Neil went to Vassar College, and lived in Greenwich Village. In The
Game, he wrote about being hypnotized simultaneously by TWO MEN. A
bit too metrosexual for my tastes. My (video) hypnotist is Ashlee
Schull.
> "so my question to you (Jenk). Is that we don't need Game at all do
> we? Its all about Social Career/networking Value"
>
> Jenk "Yep. Neil Strauss already had the connections. He didn't know
> his own worth or how to apply them. Thats where Mystery came in"
> (sic)
Strauss was SENT to Mystery to do an ARTICLE. He didn't need SHIT
from Mystery. Mystery needed him.
> Me- "So whats your Networking Value Jenk?"
> Jenk "Adam Lyons"
>
> Says it all really doesn't it?
>
> http://www.puahate.com/showthread.php?t=4803
The funny thing is that the social-climbing women always choose the
wrong ladder.
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Bettor Off Single: Why Commitment Is A Bad Gamble For Men
http://www.toosmarttofail.com/bos.html