Re: ASF
Ray Gordon
alt.seduction.fast.moderated
The previous posting references a commercial website where its owner profits
directly from the postings (which is not the case on USENET), has absolute
control over who can say what (also not the case on USENET), and where the
sponsors are often selling products related to the discussions over which
the site owner has control. Many of the sponsors are "affiliates" where the
site makes money only if you purchase the product through their link.
A USENET group cannot be replaced by a commercial website.
Odious
"Ray Gordon" <r...@cybersheet.com> wrote in message
news:gzFwe.32341$IX4....@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> There is no "moderated ASF" on USENET. Such a group would be called
> alt.seduction.fast.moderated
No, moron... as long as the nntp protocol is there to allow a newsreader to
access the server on the host computer, it counts as Usenet. Face it,
you're just mad that people from ASF made a place where you can't spam up
the group... and it is thriving.
USENET
<messaging> /you're/ or /you're/ (Or "Usenet news", from
"Users' Network") A distributed bulletin board system and
the people who post and read articles thereon. Originally
implemented in 1979 - 1980 by Steve Bellovin, Jim Ellis, Tom
Truscott, and Steve Daniel at Duke University, and supported
mainly by Unix machines, it swiftly grew to become
international in scope and, before the advent of the
World-Wide Web, probably the largest decentralised
information utility in existence.
Usenet encompasses government agencies, universities, high
schools, businesses of all sizes, and home computers of all
descriptions. In the beginning, not all Usenet hosts were on
the Internet. As of early 1993, it hosted over 1200
newsgroups ("groups" for short) and an average of 40
megabytes (the equivalent of several thousand paper pages) of
new technical articles, news, discussion, chatter, and
flamage every day. By November 1999, the number of groups
had grown to over 37,000.
To join in you originally needed a news reader program but
there are now several web gateways such as Deja
(http://www.deja.com/). Several web browsers include news
readers and URLs beginning "news:" refer to Usenet
newsgroups.
Network News Transfer Protocol is a protocol used to
transfer news articles between a news server and a news
reader. The uucp protocol was sometimes used to transfer
articles between servers, though this is probably rare now
that most sites are on the Internet.
Ray Gordon
>> alt.seduction.fast.moderated
>
> No, moron...
Odiot has me confused with his Daddy, it would seem.
>as long as the nntp protocol is there to allow a newsreader to access the
>server on the host computer, it counts as Usenet.
Wrong. All of USENET may be NNTP, but all of NNTP is not USENET. USENET is
decentralized and has no owner.
All poodles are dogs, but that doesn't mean all dogs are poodles.
>Face it, you're just mad that people from ASF made a place where you can't
>spam up the group... and it is thriving.
They are no longer "from ASF" when they migrate to a commercial website.
> USENET
>
> <messaging> /you're/ or /you're/ (Or "Usenet news", from
> "Users' Network") A distributed bulletin board system and
> the people who post and read articles thereon. Originally
> implemented in 1979 - 1980 by Steve Bellovin, Jim Ellis, Tom
> Truscott, and Steve Daniel at Duke University, and supported
> mainly by Unix machines, it swiftly grew to become
> international in scope and, before the advent of the
> World-Wide Web, probably the largest decentralised
> information utility in existence.
Key word: DECENTRALIZED. Commercial websites are not decentralized.
> Usenet encompasses government agencies, universities, high
> schools, businesses of all sizes, and home computers of all
> descriptions. In the beginning, not all Usenet hosts were on
> the Internet. As of early 1993, it hosted over 1200
> newsgroups ("groups" for short) and an average of 40
> megabytes (the equivalent of several thousand paper pages) of
> new technical articles, news, discussion, chatter, and
> flamage every day. By November 1999, the number of groups
> had grown to over 37,000.
>
> To join in you originally needed a news reader program but
> there are now several web gateways such as Deja
> (http://www.deja.com/). Several web browsers include news
> readers and URLs beginning "news:" refer to Usenet
> newsgroups.
USENET newsgroups are not commercial websites.
> Network News Transfer Protocol is a protocol used to
> transfer news articles between a news server and a news
> reader. The uucp protocol was sometimes used to transfer
> articles between servers, though this is probably rare now
> that most sites are on the Internet.
As I said, NNTP does not make a website USENET.
Commercial websites can be "useful," "thriving," or anything else, but they
are NOT USENET.
Odious
>>> There is no "moderated ASF" on USENET. Such a group would be called
>>> alt.seduction.fast.moderated
>>
>> No, moron...
>
> Odiot has me confused with his Daddy, it would seem.
Nope, my father knows what Usenet is. What about your father... oh yeah
that's right, the shame of knowing he was responsible for you did him in
long ago.
>>as long as the nntp protocol is there to allow a newsreader to access the
>>server on the host computer, it counts as Usenet.
>
> Wrong. All of USENET may be NNTP, but all of NNTP is not USENET. USENET
> is decentralized and has no owner.
Ray Usenet stands for usenet network.... all systems using nntp protocol,
even private ones, are Usenet.
>
> All poodles are dogs, but that doesn't mean all dogs are poodles.
>
Read the definition I just posted... Usenet includes personal computers.
>>Face it, you're just mad that people from ASF made a place where you can't
>>spam up the group... and it is thriving.
>
> They are no longer "from ASF" when they migrate to a commercial website.
>
Yes they are... that's like saying that someone who migrates to the US from
Europe is no longer from Europe.
>> USENET
>>
>> <messaging> /you're/ or /you're/ (Or "Usenet news", from
>> "Users' Network") A distributed bulletin board system and
>> the people who post and read articles thereon. Originally
>> implemented in 1979 - 1980 by Steve Bellovin, Jim Ellis, Tom
>> Truscott, and Steve Daniel at Duke University, and supported
>> mainly by Unix machines, it swiftly grew to become
>> international in scope and, before the advent of the
>> World-Wide Web, probably the largest decentralised
>> information utility in existence.
>
> Key word: DECENTRALIZED. Commercial websites are not decentralized.
>
Ray, that simply means that ALL OF USENET is not stored on one server.
Rather the parts that make up Usenet are stored on many many machines, both
public and private.
"and home computers of all descriptions. " Read it close... or have mommy
read it for you.
>> Usenet encompasses government agencies, universities, high
>> schools, businesses of all sizes, and home computers of all
>> descriptions. In the beginning, not all Usenet hosts were on
>> the Internet. As of early 1993, it hosted over 1200
>> newsgroups ("groups" for short) and an average of 40
>> megabytes (the equivalent of several thousand paper pages) of
>> new technical articles, news, discussion, chatter, and
>> flamage every day. By November 1999, the number of groups
>> had grown to over 37,000.
>>
>> To join in you originally needed a news reader program but
>> there are now several web gateways such as Deja
>> (http://www.deja.com/). Several web browsers include news
>> readers and URLs beginning "news:" refer to Usenet
>> newsgroups.
>
> USENET newsgroups are not commercial websites.
>
Ray... websites are on the WWW. If MASF was ONLY a web site based message
board that you could only access through a web browser, then it would not be
part of Usenet. But because there is an nntp access using a newsreader, it
is part of Usenet.
And the fact is that lots of Usenet groups are hosted on servers that also
host commercial websites.
"and home computers of all descriptions. "
What part of ALL DESCRIPTIONS do you not understand?
>
>> Network News Transfer Protocol is a protocol used to
>> transfer news articles between a news server and a news
>> reader. The uucp protocol was sometimes used to transfer
>> articles between servers, though this is probably rare now
>> that most sites are on the Internet.
>
> As I said, NNTP does not make a website USENET.
Yeah it does. If you can access newsgroups on a server via nntp, they are
Usenet groups. You may not like it, but that's the way it is. Usenet
encompasses all of the newsgroups that run on nntp... be they public or
privately hosted.
> Commercial websites can be "useful," "thriving," or anything else, but
> they are NOT USENET.
No websites are not Usenet... they are websites. Usenet are the newsgroups
accessible through a newsreader using nntp.
I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference, since you don't even
know how spider based website archives work.
Ray Gordon
>>>> alt.seduction.fast.moderated
>>>
>>> No, moron...
>>
>> Odiot has me confused with his Daddy, it would seem.
>
> Nope, my father knows what Usenet is. What about your father... oh yeah
> that's right, the shame of knowing he was responsible for you did him in
> long ago.
Take a look at the real Odiot, folks.
>>>as long as the nntp protocol is there to allow a newsreader to access the
>>>server on the host computer, it counts as Usenet.
>>
>> Wrong. All of USENET may be NNTP, but all of NNTP is not USENET. USENET
>> is decentralized and has no owner.
>
> Ray Usenet stands for usenet network.... all systems using nntp protocol,
> even private ones, are Usenet.
According to Odiot's own definition, USENET is DECENTRALIZED.
Commercial websites are not DECENTRALIZED.
Alex
r...@cybersheet.com wrote on 6/29/05 10:29 PM:
>>>>> There is no "moderated ASF" on USENET. Such a group would be called
>>>>> alt.seduction.fast.moderated
>>>>
>>>> No, moron...
>>>
>>> Odiot has me confused with his Daddy, it would seem.
>>
>> Nope, my father knows what Usenet is. What about your father... oh yeah
>> that's right, the shame of knowing he was responsible for you did him in
>> long ago.
>
> Take a look at the real Odiot, folks.
I'd love to know how Gordon thinks this is different than his rants about my
ex-wife.
Odious
>>>>> There is no "moderated ASF" on USENET. Such a group would be called
>>>>> alt.seduction.fast.moderated
>>>>
>>>> No, moron...
>>>
>>> Odiot has me confused with his Daddy, it would seem.
>>
>> Nope, my father knows what Usenet is. What about your father... oh yeah
>> that's right, the shame of knowing he was responsible for you did him in
>> long ago.
>
> Take a look at the real Odiot, folks.
>
Yep the real odious will give you exactly was you dish out.
>
>>>>as long as the nntp protocol is there to allow a newsreader to access
>>>>the server on the host computer, it counts as Usenet.
>>>
>>> Wrong. All of USENET may be NNTP, but all of NNTP is not USENET.
>>> USENET is decentralized and has no owner.
>>
>> Ray Usenet stands for usenet network.... all systems using nntp protocol,
>> even private ones, are Usenet.
>
> According to Odiot's own definition, USENET is DECENTRALIZED.
>
Ray... the term USENET refers to ALL of the nntp based groups, which are
spread out over many servers, some private and some public. That's why it
is decentralized, because there is more than one group spread out over more
than one server. That's what decentralized means.
> Commercial websites are not DECENTRALIZED.
Ray... a website is not analogous to all of Usenet. Usenet is ALL the nntp
based groups, whereas a website is one single site. So a single website can
exist on one server, whereas all of usenet can not.
The WWW in it's entirety is analogous to usenet, since the WHOLE www is also
decentralized, with many pages and sites spread across many servers. A
single website would only be analogous to a single usenet group.
You really need to learn to read.
Ray Gordon
>>>> USENET is decentralized and has no owner.
>>>
>>> Ray Usenet stands for usenet network.... all systems using nntp
>>> protocol, even private ones, are Usenet.
>>
>> According to Odiot's own definition, USENET is DECENTRALIZED.
>>
>
> Ray... the term USENET refers to ALL of the nntp based groups, which are
> spread out over many servers, some private and some public. That's why it
> is decentralized, because there is more than one group spread out over
> more than one server. That's what decentralized means.
No, decentralized in terms of USENET means NO OWNER FOR THE GROUP.
A USENET group can be propagated to any other news server. A group with
NNTP access from a commercial server doesn't work that way. RoadRunner
can't add that type of group, for example, the way it added this one.
Yogi
wrote:
You'll never win with him. He's till trying to convince the courts a
domain name is the same as a physical web site. Has anyone actually
typed newsloon.com into a web browser lately? Careful though, the site
is mousetrapped up the wazoo.
Yogi
Odious
>>>>> Wrong. All of USENET may be NNTP, but all of NNTP is not USENET.
>>>>> USENET is decentralized and has no owner.
>>>>
>>>> Ray Usenet stands for usenet network.... all systems using nntp
>>>> protocol, even private ones, are Usenet.
>>>
>>> According to Odiot's own definition, USENET is DECENTRALIZED.
>>>
>>
>> Ray... the term USENET refers to ALL of the nntp based groups, which are
>> spread out over many servers, some private and some public. That's why
>> it is decentralized, because there is more than one group spread out over
>> more than one server. That's what decentralized means.
>
> No, decentralized in terms of USENET means NO OWNER FOR THE GROUP.
>
Nope the info I posted was pretty clear on that, which is why you had to
delete it.
Decentralized means it is spread out over all sorts of networks and servers,
rather than being in one centralized location.
USENET
<messaging> /you're/ or /you're/ (Or "Usenet news", from
"Users' Network") A distributed bulletin board system and
the people who post and read articles thereon. Originally
implemented in 1979 - 1980 by Steve Bellovin, Jim Ellis, Tom
Truscott, and Steve Daniel at Duke University, and supported
mainly by Unix machines, it swiftly grew to become
international in scope and, before the advent of the
World-Wide Web, probably the largest decentralised
information utility in existence.
Usenet encompasses government agencies, universities, high
schools, businesses of all sizes, and home computers of all
descriptions. In the beginning, not all Usenet hosts were on
the Internet. As of early 1993, it hosted over 1200
newsgroups ("groups" for short) and an average of 40
megabytes (the equivalent of several thousand paper pages) of
new technical articles, news, discussion, chatter, and
flamage every day. By November 1999, the number of groups
had grown to over 37,000.
To join in you originally needed a news reader program but
there are now several web gateways such as Deja
(http://www.deja.com/). Several web browsers include news
readers and URLs beginning "news:" refer to Usenet
newsgroups.
Network News Transfer Protocol is a protocol used to
transfer news articles between a news server and a news
reader. The uucp protocol was sometimes used to transfer
articles between servers, though this is probably rare now
that most sites are on the Internet.
> A USENET group can be propagated to any other news server.
On the contrary, that depends on the ISP you use and what they happen to
allow in their servers. Most ISPs block a large number of usenet groups, by
not letting them propagate in their servers.
That means to access them you have to find a host that carries the groups
you want, then specify that nntp host in your newsreader software. Which is
the same thing you have to do to get the masf usenet groups.
> A group with NNTP access from a commercial server doesn't work that way.
It works just like any other host, you have to get access, then specify the
host in your newsreader.
> RoadRunner can't add that type of group, for example, the way it added
> this one.
>
That is because this is a public usenet group with no restrictions on access
and masf is a private usenet group with restriction... not because one is
usenet and the other is not usenet. Both are usenet groups.
Care to try again?
Yogi
>domain name is the same as a physical web site. Has anyone actually
>typed newsloon.com into a web browser lately? Careful though, the site
>is mousetrapped up the wazoo.
>
Better yet, here are some other domain names that don't seem to be
taken right now. Any bets how long that will last?
ItSucksToBeYou.org
YouAreSuchaMoron.com
WhataBetaMale.com
Yogi
Ray Gordon
>
>
> You'll never win with him. He's till trying to convince the courts a
> domain name is the same as a physical web site.
More like the owner of a domain controls who has access to the website. If
the owner isn't the publisher, s/he needs to be able to identify who is.
Yogi
wrote:
Oh, Mr. "I'm an internet genius", so whoever owns that prize domain
name newsloon.com controls who has access to the site it is pointing
to right now? Where did you get your MSCSE certification again?
Yogi
Ray Gordon
>>> domain name is the same as a physical web site.
>>
>>More like the owner of a domain controls who has access to the website.
>>If
>>the owner isn't the publisher, s/he needs to be able to identify who is.
>>
>>
>
> Oh, Mr. "I'm an internet genius", so whoever owns that prize domain
> to right now?
The domain owner controls what is published on THAT DOMAIN.
That was at issue in the last lawsuit, and will be at issue in the next.
Good day.
Yogi
wrote:
>>>> You'll never win with him. He's till trying to convince the courts a
An interesting, albeit a false and totally untrue statement. It is
very interesting, indeed, you should claim the domain owner of the
name http://www.newsloon.com controls what is published on THAT
DOMAIN, and say so in a public forum.
Yogi
EditorialStaff
>
> Gordon Roy Parker wrote:
>>
>> More like the owner of a domain controls who has access to
>> the website. If the owner isn't the publisher, s/he needs
>> to be able to identify who is.
>>
>
> Oh, Mr. "I'm an internet genius", so whoever owns that prize
> domain name newsloon.com controls who has access to the site
> it is pointing to right now? Where did you get your MSCSE
> certification again?
Beee-YOO-Ti-Ful!!
We doff our hat to you, Mr. Yogi! (That is, we would, if we
were collectively wearing one!)
You are DEFINITELY smarter than the average bear!
Thanks for so simply demonstrating the truth to all who have
the wit to see it.
--
The Editorial Staff
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