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Guardenman

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Nov 23, 2001, 2:09:27 PM11/23/01
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For far too long now, we have been the police force of the world.
Working under the thinly veiled flag of the UN, we try and fix problems,
that should be fixed by internal governments. Than we leave. Suppose we
had continued the gulf war, and just run over Iraq. Maybe now we would
be in control, of all their oil and sending a message to everyone else.
We are not only the biggest dog on the block. But we will take what you
have if you mess with us. Perhaps when we are done in Afghanistan, we
should set it up as a colony. Lets face it if we leave the Northern
Alliance in charge, it wont be long before they turn the country into
another hot spot, of lawless cave men, running terrorist training camps.
While world conquest may be out of the picture. Perhaps it is time to
just take over the middle east.
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Stephen Hicks

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Guardenman <fri...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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> For far too long now, we have been the police force of the world.

Which is part of the problem. You have no right to tell other countries what
to do.

> Working under the thinly veiled flag of the UN, we try and fix problems,
> that should be fixed by internal governments. Than we leave. Suppose we
> had continued the gulf war, and just run over Iraq. Maybe now we would
> be in control, of all their oil and sending a message to everyone else.
> We are not only the biggest dog on the block. But we will take what you
> have if you mess with us.

Try it against a country that can defend itself. Its one thing to fight
third world countries, something completley different when you fight a
country that can destroy American cities. Your arrogance is what lead to
the Sept 11th killings - and you are still to stupid to realise that.

> Perhaps when we are done in Afghanistan, we
> should set it up as a colony.

Are you really that thick to think you have the capability to control
afghanistan ?? Why do you think your government has not invaded on a large
scale ?? Don't you read history or take not of what countless military
commanders have said about fighting in Afghanistan ??

> Lets face it if we leave the Northern
> Alliance in charge, it wont be long before they turn the country into
> another hot spot, of lawless cave men, running terrorist training camps.

America would never do such a thing would it now ?? oh wait - umm now what
was that Bay of pigs thing again ??

> While world conquest may be out of the picture. Perhaps it is time to
> just take over the middle east.

Your pathetic. No wonder so many people want your kind dead.

Ron

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Nov 23, 2001, 11:07:35 PM11/23/01
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:02:27 -0000, "Stephen Hicks"
<spa...@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>
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>
>Guardenman <fri...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
>news:3BFE9B70...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net...
>
>> For far too long now, we have been the police force of the world.
>
>Which is part of the problem. You have no right to tell other countries what
>to do.

I agree ,, to a point.


>
>> Working under the thinly veiled flag of the UN, we try and fix problems,
>> that should be fixed by internal governments. Than we leave. Suppose we
>> had continued the gulf war, and just run over Iraq. Maybe now we would
>> be in control, of all their oil and sending a message to everyone else.
>> We are not only the biggest dog on the block. But we will take what you
>> have if you mess with us.
>
>Try it against a country that can defend itself.

We did,, it was called WWII, and BTW, we won. And BTW, the US got
nothing for it, so to speak.

>Its one thing to fight
>third world countries, something completley different when you fight a
>country that can destroy American cities. Your arrogance is what lead to
>the Sept 11th killings - and you are still to stupid to realise that.
>
>> Perhaps when we are done in Afghanistan, we
>> should set it up as a colony.
>
>Are you really that thick to think you have the capability to control
>afghanistan ?? Why do you think your government has not invaded on a large
>scale ??

Because the US doesn't need too? Why would you when you can take care
of things from the air,, then waltz right in? The ground forces are
building.

>Don't you read history or take not of what countless military
>commanders have said about fighting in Afghanistan ??

Yes, and it doesn't seem to be playing out here. Different times,
different circumstances, better tactics?


>
>> Lets face it if we leave the Northern
>> Alliance in charge, it wont be long before they turn the country into
>> another hot spot, of lawless cave men, running terrorist training camps.
>
>America would never do such a thing would it now ?? oh wait - umm now what
>was that Bay of pigs thing again ??

Yes, that was a joke. Another half baked plan.


>
>> While world conquest may be out of the picture. Perhaps it is time to
>> just take over the middle east.
>
>Your pathetic. No wonder so many people want your kind dead.

I know your speaking of the orginal poster,, but AFAIC, I really don't
want Afghanistan as an American colony or protectorate. Who needs the
headach. Take care of business and move on. I'm sure there are
bigger fish to fry.

I think the original point was, if the US had taken over all the areas
that it could have in previous conflicts, the US would own half the
world. I don't think if Hitler and gang would have won WWII, he would
have given up any of the countries he beat up on.

Not only does the US NOT go after the spoils of war, we forgive the
war debts owed to us. I don't have a problem with that but some
people get tired of the US always bailing out the rest of the world
and being so nice about it.

And before you flame me to death, I know the US is not perfect, blah
blah blah.

Ron

Guardenman

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Nov 24, 2001, 2:08:44 AM11/24/01
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Stephen Hicks wrote:

> --
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> http://www.steviehicks.btinternet.co.uk/russianbear/russianbear.html
>
> Guardenman <fri...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> news:3BFE9B70...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net...
>
> > For far too long now, we have been the police force of the world.
>
> Which is part of the problem. You have no right to tell other countries what
> to do.

Well that i s a matter of opinion. When someone invades us or attacks one of our
embassies. We have the right to kick their butts then tell them what we want
them to do so we will stop.

>
>
> > Working under the thinly veiled flag of the UN, we try and fix problems,
> > that should be fixed by internal governments. Than we leave. Suppose we
> > had continued the gulf war, and just run over Iraq. Maybe now we would
> > be in control, of all their oil and sending a message to everyone else.
> > We are not only the biggest dog on the block. But we will take what you
> > have if you mess with us.
>
> Try it against a country that can defend itself. Its one thing to fight
> third world countries, something completley different when you fight a
> country that can destroy American cities. Your arrogance is what lead to
> the Sept 11th killings - and you are still to stupid to realise that.

We have in the past. Most countries that are capable of destroying American
cities are smart enough to know not to mess with us. As for 9-11 that was the
act of some simple minded fools, who thought somehow, they would accomplish
something, by killing a bunch of our citizens. It was a lack of security, that
allowed some cavemen, to take over some of our planes. You can call that
arrogance if you want, I don't really care. Because i know for a fact, I live
in the greatest country in the world.

>
>
> > Perhaps when we are done in Afghanistan, we
> > should set it up as a colony.
>
> Are you really that thick to think you have the capability to control
> afghanistan ?? Why do you think your government has not invaded on a large
> scale ?? Don't you read history or take not of what countless military
> commanders have said about fighting in Afghanistan ??

Of coarse we can control Afghanistan. it wouldn't even be hard. All we would
have to do is install law and order, and give people some of the rights we enjoy
here. They would love us to the point of attacking anyone who tried to take it
away. Are you so stupid, that you believe Afghanis, would fight to preserve the
taliban if we took over?

>
>
> > Lets face it if we leave the Northern
> > Alliance in charge, it wont be long before they turn the country into
> > another hot spot, of lawless cave men, running terrorist training camps.
>
> America would never do such a thing would it now ?? oh wait - umm now what
> was that Bay of pigs thing again ??
>
> > While world conquest may be out of the picture. Perhaps it is time to
> > just take over the middle east.
>
> Your pathetic. No wonder so many people want your kind dead.

> Actually not many want my kind dead, except for the oppressors of free
> society. My whole point is we should just start wiping those kind of people
> off the world. After all they want us dead so lets just take what they have,
> after we kick their butts.

>
> > Quote of the month
> > It's OK! You don't have to be embarrassed.
> > When you're in the middle of a drug deal, and I step out of the shadows.
> >
> > You're supposed to wet you're pants.
> >
> >

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Daniel Aldrich

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Nov 24, 2001, 4:59:03 AM11/24/01
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Nation building like we did in Japan after WW2. That would be the best
thing to do after we defeat the Taliban and Al Quaida. Give Afghanistan
a government and constitution similar to the one we gave Japan post WW2.
Occupy Afghanistan until their government is stable and they've had 2 or
3 fair, free and open elections. This is what we did in Japan post WW2.
This method worked very well in Japan. I don't see any reason why it
won't work in Afghanistan. If we do this we not only lose a possible
future enemy. We also gain an ally in the Mid-East. I truly believe the
people of Afghanistan would support us. Common people everywhere love
freedom. Why do you think people from all nations are willing to risk
death to get to the USA. This won't be easy for The USA but it is better
than the alternative. Creating another enemy of the USA. Peace, Freedom
and Safety, Dan.


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Nov 24, 2001, 8:56:22 AM11/24/01
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The limited knowledge you have seems to come from the media or text books. You
have little or no real life knowledge or practical experience. You rely solely
on the words of others and you spew those sources as gospel according to Stephen
Hicks. Talk about pathetic. In a previous post you claim to have written a
thesis on terrorism. Most authors claim that in order to really know a subject
you have to live it. Do you really know your subject? What cell are you a
member of?

Patoo

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Nov 24, 2001, 9:36:26 AM11/24/01
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The biggest problem here is most of the world ain't worth the effort of
lifting a leg ta piss on.

Stephen Hicks

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Nov 24, 2001, 9:59:53 AM11/24/01
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Ron <ron...@nospam.home.com> wrote in message news:3bff1d01.5340023@news...


> On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 01:02:27 -0000, "Stephen Hicks"
> <spa...@nospam.com> wrote:

> >Russianbears Military Resource Website
> >http://www.steviehicks.btinternet.co.uk/russianbear/russianbear.html
> >
> >Guardenman <fri...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> >news:3BFE9B70...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net...
> >
> >> For far too long now, we have been the police force of the world.
> >
> >Which is part of the problem. You have no right to tell other countries
what
> >to do.
>
> I agree ,, to a point.
> >
> >> Working under the thinly veiled flag of the UN, we try and fix
problems,
> >> that should be fixed by internal governments. Than we leave. Suppose we
> >> had continued the gulf war, and just run over Iraq. Maybe now we would
> >> be in control, of all their oil and sending a message to everyone else.
> >> We are not only the biggest dog on the block. But we will take what you
> >> have if you mess with us.
> >
> >Try it against a country that can defend itself.
>
> We did,, it was called WWII, and BTW, we won. And BTW, the US got
> nothing for it, so to speak.

No. In WW11 neither Japan nor Germany had an effective means of attacking
America directly. And you did not defeat Germany - the Soviet Union did.

> >Its one thing to fight
> >third world countries, something completley different when you fight a
> >country that can destroy American cities. Your arrogance is what lead to
> >the Sept 11th killings - and you are still to stupid to realise that.
> >
> >> Perhaps when we are done in Afghanistan, we
> >> should set it up as a colony.
> >
> >Are you really that thick to think you have the capability to control
> >afghanistan ?? Why do you think your government has not invaded on a
large
> >scale ??
>
> Because the US doesn't need too? Why would you when you can take care
> of things from the air,, then waltz right in? The ground forces are
> building.

No they are not. The US has let the Northern Alliance do the fighting. And
clearly from recent results at Kunduz the airstrikes are reaching their
affective limit. If you look at the history of the airstrikes you will see
they have avoided certain areas as they know airstrikes will not be
affective.

> >Don't you read history or take not of what countless military
> >commanders have said about fighting in Afghanistan ??
>
> Yes, and it doesn't seem to be playing out here. Different times,
> different circumstances, better tactics?

Not really. You are not defeating the Taliban through air power. Its the
Northern Alliance on the ground that is making the gains. If you believe
terrorism will go away once a new government is in power the you are being
very foolish. The previous poster was talking about taking control of
Afghanistan - that is something which you are not attempting - thats why the
historical reference doesnt yet apply. Im saying it would if you did try and
take control of it.

> >> Lets face it if we leave the Northern
> >> Alliance in charge, it wont be long before they turn the country into
> >> another hot spot, of lawless cave men, running terrorist training
camps.
> >
> >America would never do such a thing would it now ?? oh wait - umm now
what
> >was that Bay of pigs thing again ??
>
> Yes, that was a joke. Another half baked plan.
> >
> >> While world conquest may be out of the picture. Perhaps it is time to
> >> just take over the middle east.
> >
> >Your pathetic. No wonder so many people want your kind dead.
>
> I know your speaking of the orginal poster,, but AFAIC, I really don't
> want Afghanistan as an American colony or protectorate. Who needs the
> headach. Take care of business and move on. I'm sure there are
> bigger fish to fry.

Exactly. Couldnt agree more.

> I think the original point was, if the US had taken over all the areas
> that it could have in previous conflicts, the US would own half the
> world. I don't think if Hitler and gang would have won WWII, he would
> have given up any of the countries he beat up on.

The difference here is Germany defeated its enemies, at least initially, by
itself. On the otherhand the US has ALWAYS fought with allies. Also,
Germany went up against several countries at once, and countries that were
pretty powerful. The US has mainly gone up against 3rd world wimps - and
the US has a poor record in doing that.

> Not only does the US NOT go after the spoils of war, we forgive the
> war debts owed to us.
> I don't have a problem with that but some
> people get tired of the US always bailing out the rest of the world
> and being so nice about it.

The US have never bailed out the world. The closest they can claim to
haveing done this is providing troops in Europe to hold off the Soviets.
You did NOT save Europe from the Germans. You HELPED shorten the First
World War and the Soviets one the Second World War.

> And before you flame me to death, I know the US is not perfect, blah
> blah blah.
>
> Ron

Well I have to say your better than most Americans.


Stephen Hicks

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Guardenman <fri...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> wrote in message

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>
>
> Stephen Hicks wrote:
>
> > --
> > Russianbears Military Resource Website
> > http://www.steviehicks.btinternet.co.uk/russianbear/russianbear.html
> >
> > Guardenman <fri...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> > news:3BFE9B70...@mailbox.bellatlantic.net...
> >
> > > For far too long now, we have been the police force of the world.
> >
> > Which is part of the problem. You have no right to tell other countries
what
> > to do.
>
> Well that i s a matter of opinion. When someone invades us or attacks one
of our
> embassies. We have the right to kick their butts then tell them what we
want
> them to do so we will stop.

I agree - but the US tells people to do when they have no right to - for
example - Cuba.

> > > Working under the thinly veiled flag of the UN, we try and fix
problems,
> > > that should be fixed by internal governments. Than we leave. Suppose
we
> > > had continued the gulf war, and just run over Iraq. Maybe now we would
> > > be in control, of all their oil and sending a message to everyone
else.
> > > We are not only the biggest dog on the block. But we will take what
you
> > > have if you mess with us.
> >
> > Try it against a country that can defend itself. Its one thing to fight
> > third world countries, something completley different when you fight a
> > country that can destroy American cities. Your arrogance is what lead
to
> > the Sept 11th killings - and you are still to stupid to realise that.

> We have in the past.

Which ones ?? What country have you ever fought that had a realistic ability
to directly attack the American homeland ?? Japan is the only one that has
come close to that.

> Most countries that are capable of destroying American
> cities are smart enough to know not to mess with us. As for 9-11 that was
the
> act of some simple minded fools, who thought somehow, they would
accomplish
> something, by killing a bunch of our citizens. It was a lack of
security, that
> allowed some cavemen, to take over some of our planes. You can call that
> arrogance if you want, I don't really care. Because i know for a fact, I
live
> in the greatest country in the world.

Stop it - my sides hurt.

> > > Perhaps when we are done in Afghanistan, we
> > > should set it up as a colony.
> >
> > Are you really that thick to think you have the capability to control
> > afghanistan ?? Why do you think your government has not invaded on a
large
> > scale ?? Don't you read history or take not of what countless military
> > commanders have said about fighting in Afghanistan ??
>
> Of coarse we can control Afghanistan. it wouldn't even be hard.

Oh thats it - in that one statement you have confirmed you are off in cloud
cuckoo land.

> All we would
> have to do is install law and order, and give people some of the rights we
enjoy
> here.

Yeah right - that worked real well for those terrorsist who have lived in
yours and other western countries for years but still blew fuck out of your
towers.

> They would love us to the point of attacking anyone who tried to take it
> away. Are you so stupid, that you believe Afghanis, would fight to
preserve the
> taliban if we took over?

You dont have a clue about warfare do you.

> > > Lets face it if we leave the Northern
> > > Alliance in charge, it wont be long before they turn the country into
> > > another hot spot, of lawless cave men, running terrorist training
camps.
> >
> > America would never do such a thing would it now ?? oh wait - umm now
what
> > was that Bay of pigs thing again ??
> >
> > > While world conquest may be out of the picture. Perhaps it is time to
> > > just take over the middle east.
> >
> > Your pathetic. No wonder so many people want your kind dead.
>
> > Actually not many want my kind dead, except for the oppressors of free
> > society. My whole point is we should just start wiping those kind of
people
> > off the world. After all they want us dead so lets just take what they
have,
> > after we kick their butts.

Actually - yes they do want you did. And as I have said before - you are to
cowardly to take on anyone but a third world country.

Stephen Hicks

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Daniel Aldrich <gr8wh...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Nation building like we did in Japan after WW2. That would be the best
> thing to do after we defeat the Taliban and Al Quaida. Give Afghanistan
> a government and constitution similar to the one we gave Japan post WW2.
> Occupy Afghanistan until their government is stable and they've had 2 or
> 3 fair, free and open elections. This is what we did in Japan post WW2.
> This method worked very well in Japan. I don't see any reason why it
> won't work in Afghanistan.

Because the Japanese were shit scared of being vapourised and didnt have
millions of people around the world who supported their views over that of
the US.

> If we do this we not only lose a possible
> future enemy. We also gain an ally in the Mid-East. I truly believe the
> people of Afghanistan would support us. Common people everywhere love
> freedom. Why do you think people from all nations are willing to risk
> death to get to the USA.

Its not those people that are the problem - its the millions of Fanatics.

Patoo

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Nov 24, 2001, 10:19:24 AM11/24/01
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And you are to stupid to live, yet you blather on spouting erroneous
verbal garbage and anti american hate how much does binnie pay you?You
are a classic case in point as to what happens if you let a chimp near a
keyboard.Why is it i get the feeling your real name is smelly bin ladin?

CJ

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Nov 24, 2001, 12:20:36 PM11/24/01
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"Daniel Aldrich" <gr8wh...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Nation building like we did in Japan after WW2. That would be the best
> thing to do after we defeat the Taliban and Al Quaida. Give Afghanistan
> a government and constitution similar to the one we gave Japan post WW2.
> Occupy Afghanistan until their government is stable and they've had 2 or
> 3 fair, free and open elections. This is what we did in Japan post WW2.
> This method worked very well in Japan. I don't see any reason why it
> won't work in Afghanistan. If we do this we not only lose a possible
> future enemy. We also gain an ally in the Mid-East. I truly believe the
> people of Afghanistan would support us. Common people everywhere love
> freedom. Why do you think people from all nations are willing to risk
> death to get to the USA. This won't be easy for The USA but it is better
> than the alternative. Creating another enemy of the USA. Peace, Freedom
> and Safety, Dan.

Main problem achieving it is that the factions in power are not the ideal
candidates to form a democracy. It's worth a try, but it's also a bit like
putting 6 dictators together to form a democratic government ;)

And the ideal candidates would not have enough backing from the
various tribes, which would mean another civil war.


CJ

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Nov 24, 2001, 12:23:38 PM11/24/01
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"Patoo" <Pa...@Patooonyou.com> wrote in message
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> And you are to stupid to live, yet you blather on spouting erroneous
> verbal garbage and anti american hate how much does binnie pay you?You
> are a classic case in point as to what happens if you let a chimp near a
> keyboard.Why is it i get the feeling your real name is smelly bin ladin?

Funny, the reaction of a republican when someone makes some pretty good and
reasonable points ;)

CJ

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Nov 24, 2001, 12:27:15 PM11/24/01
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"Patoo" <Pa...@Patooonyou.com> wrote in message
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> The biggest problem here is most of the world ain't worth the effort of
> lifting a leg ta piss on.

The 2nd biggest problem is that people in the rest of the world are sick of
the arrogance of people like you,
and the arrogance of the foreign policy of your government, to the extent
that they fly airplanes in your
buildings.

You will always have fanatical groups, but this kind of arrogance is the
reason why they can get more and
more power in other parts of the world.

The part where those people live who are of less value to you, because they
don't have a US passport.


Guardenman

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Nov 24, 2001, 1:06:23 PM11/24/01
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CJ wrote:

> "Patoo" <Pa...@Patooonyou.com> wrote in message
> news:3BFFB4AA...@Patooonyou.com...
> > The biggest problem here is most of the world ain't worth the effort of
> > lifting a leg ta piss on.
>
> The 2nd biggest problem is that people in the rest of the world are sick of
> the arrogance of people like you,
> and the arrogance of the foreign policy of your government, to the extent
> that they fly airplanes in your
> buildings.

No this is completely wrong. Most of the world loves us. They try to emulate
our life style, as much as possible. Only a few misfits and losers blame
America for their own faults. Those losers, are they ones that fly airplanes
into buildings. You don't believe me fine. Just watch what happens in
Afghanistan over the next year. As soon as the taliban is out of power, people
will start wearing blue jeans and listening to (American) rock music. If they
can get enough money they will buy cars and go to movies. Just like in America.

>
>
> You will always have fanatical groups, but this kind of arrogance is the
> reason why they can get more and
> more power in other parts of the world.
>
> The part where those people live who are of less value to you, because they
> don't have a US passport.

The part you don't understand, Is this. In America one of the things we value
most, is the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. These are
concepts that you will probably never understand, until you live in a free
country. Let me make it simple for you: We believe in leaving people alone,
until they start to cause problems with others. If you want to live in a
country, that forces its religion, or music (or lack of) or forces you to dress
in some silly way. That is fine with us. But when you start killing innocent
people it gets our attention. You start killing American citizens, we will come
and kick you butts back into the stone age. Or in the case of the (already in
the stone age) taliban. We will come into your caves ,and send you to hell
where you belong.

Guardenman

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Nov 24, 2001, 1:11:20 PM11/24/01
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CJ wrote:

In other words they are not capable of self govenment. This is why we should
set it up, as a colony. Let them taste freedom, for a decade or so. Then let
them hold elections and run things when they are capable.

Ron

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On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:59:53 -0000, "Stephen Hicks"
<spa...@nospam.com> wrote:

I never said we did it alone, but we sure had a hand in it. Your
orginal statement was to "Try it against a country that can defend
itself". The US has gone into battle with many countries that can
defend itself.


>
>> >Its one thing to fight
>> >third world countries, something completley different when you fight a
>> >country that can destroy American cities. Your arrogance is what lead to
>> >the Sept 11th killings - and you are still to stupid to realise that.
>> >
>> >> Perhaps when we are done in Afghanistan, we
>> >> should set it up as a colony.
>> >
>> >Are you really that thick to think you have the capability to control
>> >afghanistan ?? Why do you think your government has not invaded on a
>large
>> >scale ??
>>
>> Because the US doesn't need too? Why would you when you can take care
>> of things from the air,, then waltz right in? The ground forces are
>> building.
>
>No they are not. The US has let the Northern Alliance do the fighting. And
>clearly from recent results at Kunduz the airstrikes are reaching their
>affective limit. If you look at the history of the airstrikes you will see
>they have avoided certain areas as they know airstrikes will not be
>affective.

The Northern Alliance has been fighting for years. 6 weeks of
American airstrikes has done more than the NA has ever done. Without
those airstrikes, the NA would be no where. Since it is not
coiincidental that the airstrikes and the fall of the Taliban are
happening simultaneously, you have to conclude that airpower is
defeating the Taliban. Now the NA ground troops are and will be
cleaning up. And a few US ground troops/special forces.


>
>> >Don't you read history or take not of what countless military
>> >commanders have said about fighting in Afghanistan ??
>>
>> Yes, and it doesn't seem to be playing out here. Different times,
>> different circumstances, better tactics?
>
>Not really. You are not defeating the Taliban through air power. Its the
>Northern Alliance on the ground that is making the gains. If you believe
>terrorism will go away once a new government is in power the you are being
>very foolish. The previous poster was talking about taking control of
>Afghanistan - that is something which you are not attempting - thats why the
>historical reference doesnt yet apply. Im saying it would if you did try and
>take control of it.

Same airstrike comments as above.

As far as terrorism going away, I assume you mean in Afghanisan. Will
it? Maybe,,, we will see. Can't be any worse than it was. The real
question will be - if it does not under new Afghani control, do you go
in and take care of it again?

This new "war on terrorism" has been touted that it will take years.
I don't believe that. It will be forever. A new way of world order
which hopefully won't be fought by only the US and it's allies. But
if it has to be,, then so be it.

Yes, Germany was very successfull against a weak Europe. And, yes,
the US has helped out many of it's allies. But the battles fought in
Europe and the Pacific theatre could hardly be summed up as against
3rd world whimps.

Since, WWII, yes there has been many whimps. I wouldn't call them all
poor records though. If there were it was because they were too
political in nature.


>
>> Not only does the US NOT go after the spoils of war, we forgive the
>> war debts owed to us.
>> I don't have a problem with that but some
>> people get tired of the US always bailing out the rest of the world
>> and being so nice about it.
>
>The US have never bailed out the world. The closest they can claim to
>haveing done this is providing troops in Europe to hold off the Soviets.
>You did NOT save Europe from the Germans. You HELPED shorten the First
>World War and the Soviets one the Second World War.

What? The US did not fight in Europe? What was D-Day?


>
>> And before you flame me to death, I know the US is not perfect, blah
>> blah blah.
>>
>> Ron
>
>Well I have to say your better than most Americans.

LOL,,, I'm the first to admitt the US has made bad choices and done
some bone head moves in the past. Most times done with good
intentions. Many times done with national interests in mind. Rarely
done out of total malace.

OTOH, the fact remains, the US has and is still helping out much of
the world militarily,, not to mention financially.

Ron
>
>

Stephen Hicks

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> The limited knowledge you have seems to come from the media or text books.
You
> have little or no real life knowledge or practical experience. You rely
solely
> on the words of others and you spew those sources as gospel according to
Stephen
> Hicks. Talk about pathetic. In a previous post you claim to have written
a
> thesis on terrorism. Most authors claim that in order to really know a
subject
> you have to live it. Do you really know your subject? What cell are you
a
> member of?

Oh grow up. You are clearly of limited intelligence. Time for you and your
drivel to go into the bin.

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