Installation/Upgrade info needed for Safewatch Pro 3000EN, from Tyco / ADT
awetr...@yahoo.com
for the following alarm system:
Safewatch Pro 3000EN, from Tyco / ADT
I'm looking for exact information (preferably in printed form) on
installing a second, or even a third keyboard, as well as additional
door, window, glass breakage, and motion sensors. Please be
considerate and only post if you are able to add constructive
information.
This appears to be a disappointingly cheap system. At this point I am
stuck with it. I will not pay $35 to have the door and window sensors
I already ran in new construction simply connected to the circuit
board.
Frank Olson
Most professionals here would be reluctant to give you such information
particularly as it appears that you may still be under contract to ADT.
The Safewatch Pro is an Ademco Panel that's been slightly modified for
use exclusively by ADT. You will need a full alpha keypad (6139 or
6160) to program they system. You will have to assign the keypad an
address (not currently in use by the other keypads on the system), and
enroll the keypad into the system (in other words, tell the unit that
it's there). As to the specific manual, you'll have to find out what
the equivalent Ademco Panel is. Even when you do, some of the address
fields may be different. I doubt any ADT techs would even consider
giving you a manual.
Mark Leuck
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By saying you are stuck with it I assume you are still under contract with
ADT which also means that you shouldn't even be screwing with the system
Crash Gordon
You'll spend more time trying to make it work, void your warrantee with ADT
and then what? ADT gets some weird signal because you have been mucking
around in t he programming and they dispatch or don't dispatch? Who's fault?
You went with ADT because they're original price was inexpense right?...well
now you get to pay the going rate.
And as you will discover there's more to it than "simply connecting to the
circuit board".
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Roland More
It might not be a matter of just connecting the wire to the panel but some
programming as well. If they are only charging you $35 to do it that is a
bargain. Most service calls around here are $75 per hour (local only). There
is a trip charge if out of area service.
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a...@surpluseq.com
> It might not be a matter of just connecting the wire to the panel but some
> programming as well. If they are only charging you $35 to do it that is a
> bargain. Most service calls around here are $75 per hour (local only). There
> is a trip charge if out of area service.
>
>
> news:1185856156.1...@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > I'm looking for an installation manual, a website or other information
> > for the following alarm system:
>
> > Safewatch Pro 3000EN, from Tyco / ADT
>
> > I'm looking for exact information (preferably in printed form) on
> > installing a second, or even a third keyboard, as well as additional
> > door, window, glass breakage, and motion sensors. Please be
> > considerate and only post if you are able to add constructive
> > information.
>
> > This appears to be a disappointingly cheap system. At this point I am
> > stuck with it. I will not pay $35 to have the door and window sensors
> > I already ran in new construction simply connected to the circuit
>
> - Show quoted text -
No, not $35 total. I'd grab that in a second. These people want $35
for each and every window AND each and every door. I have maybe 35
doors and windows hard wired already. I am not paying these thieves
$1225 to do what will take under one hour. Plus hundrds for keypads
I've found for $50. They saw this when they installed it and ADT
salesman said it isn't a problems for me to do it myself. By he failed
to tell me they will not provide info. I didn't know ADT was so
dishonest and such overpriced scammers. I thought I found one of the
best. They have a lot of problems ahead of them from me,...A hell of a
lot if ADT thinks they are going to scam me this way.
Certainly someone has a diagram, install manual, or just knows enough
about there to assist? Greatly appreciated....
a...@surpluseq.com
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Frank you appear knowledgeable. Any idea how to find if there is an
equivalent. I must say, the salesmen was aware of the 35 doors and
windows I had prewired. I see now he figured I'd be locked into ADT
and have no choice but to pay them $1200 to connect the doors and
windows, plus keyboards. $35 to connect two wires. Common, that's past
flat-out ripping you off.
--thanks frank
Crash Gordon
mean you have 17.5 doors and windows on each wire? Did you put the switches
on already?
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Crash Gordon
door/window switches...especially if they've been prewired by someone who
doesn't install alarms everyday? It could easily take all day to put all
those switches on if you didn't prewire it correctly.
BTW...that's half their normal price...they normally charge 70 bucks per
opening.
It's just business. Do you own a business? Do you work for
peanuts?...probably not.
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Buggs
your cake and eat it too. Do it yourself if you don't want to pay, or STFU
and pay to have it done for you. Jeez.
js
Crash Gordon
coming out of 1/4" holes in imported hardwood window frames...hmmm that
should take only 3 minutes.
damn...it takes 30-40 minutes just to get out of the truck, get organized
and get rolling. NOTHING takes an hour.
--
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
"Buggs" <thatsal...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Buggs
to my control. For what, $50? This guy is probably a network "engineer" or
software "engineer". I can smell 'em, I tell ya.
js
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Tommy
>
> No, not $35 total. I'd grab that in a second. These people want $35
> for each and every window AND each and every door. I have maybe 35
> doors and windows hard wired already. I am not paying these thieves
> $1225 to do what will take under one hour. Plus hundrds for keypads
> I've found for $50. They saw this when they installed it and ADT
> salesman said it isn't a problems for me to do it myself. By he failed
> to tell me they will not provide info. I didn't know ADT was so
> dishonest and such overpriced scammers. I thought I found one of the
> best. They have a lot of problems ahead of them from me,...A hell of a
> lot if ADT thinks they are going to scam me this way.
>
> Certainly someone has a diagram, install manual, or just knows enough
> about there to assist? Greatly appreciated....
>
>
Here's the facts:
1. 35$ each is not bad
2. they could also charge you a service call 75$ or more
3. it's quite a bit more than hooking up "two wires"
wiring, testing, programming, finding all the bugs that always
creep in
4. At a guess you got the typical ADT deal.they expect to make their
money from monitoring your system. that's why you get the "discount
deal"
5. If you want more zones, they charge like they are doing a new deal
with out the discount deal.
6. with that many new zones there should be zone expaznders added to
your system also. guess what? they cost money too.
You got took in by something that was too good to be true. now you have
to acept their deal or live with what you have. Or buy out your
contract. guess how much that will cost.
Just Looking
modules or zone expanders. If you prewired the contacts that great.
Unfortunately the rest is not that simple. The way you drilled the windows
and sealed (or didn't seal) the contacts in the frame is going to be one
issue. The alignment of the magnet and the switch is another. The type of
connections you made using solder and tape, or silicon filled beans, or
worse yet dry beans is going to be something else. Since all you can see is
a rip-off by the alarm company, all I can see is a nightmare for an
installer. Just because you ran the wire doesn't mean it hasn't been broken
or grounded by the sheet rocker, electrician, plumber, HVAC guy etc. If you
never did an alarm trim out you don't know all the problems that can come
with it.
If you want the cheapest price you're going to get the cheapest work. Quit
shopping for price and look for someone you can trust to give you value
instead. Considering we offer a full one year parts and labor warranty,
would I do a full trim out on a customer provided prewire for only $35 per
opening? Not likely. If you're into DIY I think you need to carry it all the
way, not pass off the job half way through and then bitch about getting
ripped off.
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Crash Gordon
some clip joint in Tijuana.
"Just Looking" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Robert L Bass
> put in crowns you had made down in
> some clip joint in Tijuana.
Odd coincidence. I had a lot of dental work
done in Brazil -- 13 crowns and 2 implants in
the upper jaw plus porcelain fillings to replace
lots of old-style ones in my lowers. Anyway,
one of the crowns came loose (note to self:
never eat Tootsie Rolls again). I took it to my
Sarasota dentist and not only did he reattach
it for free. He admired the Brazilian lab work.
Said it was some of the best he'd ever seen.
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
Crash Gordon
up". That kinda insinuates all the doors are looped and all the windows are
looped...nice!
good luck tshooting that one
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awetr...@yahoo.com
wrote:
Sorry I don't understand your question. I have about 30-35 doors and
windows. Each door and window has a magnetic switch already install.
This is new construction. Each uses two conductors so actually that's
maybe 70 or so conductors. ADT actually expects me to pay $35 to
connect the two conducts up to the circuit board for each and every
door and window. That's $1000-$1200. This could not talk two hours to
do and they want over $1k??? Oh, maybe it's the series resistor that
cost so much??? (That was a joke).
I thought ADT was a good company. Right now I think ADT is nothing but
a scam. I paid $375 for this. They wanted I think $2200 with two of
the lowest priced keypads they have. One sold on ebay the other day
for $10. This isn't high-tech stuff. ADT appears to sell crap.
The salesmen knew I didn't want to pay his company another $1k or so
but evidently he sold me the system knowing very well that ADT will
die before they will every give up any info for me to do this. Gee,
and I thought he "liked" me.
Mark Leuck
<awetr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry I don't understand your question. I have about 30-35 doors and
> windows. Each door and window has a magnetic switch already install.
> This is new construction. Each uses two conductors so actually that's
> maybe 70 or so conductors. ADT actually expects me to pay $35 to
> connect the two conducts up to the circuit board for each and every
> door and window. That's $1000-$1200. This could not talk two hours to
> do and they want over $1k??? Oh, maybe it's the series resistor that
> cost so much??? (That was a joke).
>
> I thought ADT was a good company. Right now I think ADT is nothing but
> a scam. I paid $375 for this. They wanted I think $2200 with two of
> the lowest priced keypads they have. One sold on ebay the other day
> for $10. This isn't high-tech stuff. ADT appears to sell crap.
> The salesmen knew I didn't want to pay his company another $1k or so
> but evidently he sold me the system knowing very well that ADT will
> die before they will every give up any info for me to do this. Gee,
> and I thought he "liked" me.
Jeez I HOPE they locked you out of panel programming
Russell Brill
> Yea, just what I want to spend my time on. Hooking up some DIY's
> "pre-wire" to my control. For what, $50? This guy is probably a network
> "engineer" or software "engineer". I can smell 'em, I tell ya.
> js
>
Crash Gordon
It's not a scam, if you go on their website and price it out you'll see the
charge 70 bucks for each door/window, so they're charging you half...seems
fair to me.
You won't find a reliable/reputable/ethical company to work on a system that
is under contract with someone else (ADT), so you may have to do this
yourself and hope ADT will accept your level of workmanship.
He doesn't like you he likes your money...it's just business. That's what
you get with a big company...you're just a source of revenue. Rip off?...nah
just a for-profit company.
ADT is not gonna supply you with programming instructions. They may not even
take your zoning if you are able to program it...they may insist on
programming it...I would.
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Russell Brill
openings........... By screwing everyone he meets... Probably a Dentist,
they're the WORST......
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Frank Olson
If you're still under contract to ADT, you're going to have to employ
their services (much as it may pain you to do so) to finish the job
properly. Yes, the $35.00 sounds a bit "steep" but if you're actually
dealing with ADT Corporate (and not an independent dealer), it's a
pretty "fair" price. Consider the fact that you've probably saved
yourself a bundle already (doing the pre-wire yourself) and the fact the
the tech is going to have to make it work. You can probably "negotiate"
a fixed price that's a tad lower (say $30.00 per opening) but they may
require you to extend your service agreement to compensate. I hate
spending money (about as much as you do), but when you've bought a
"Maytag" (or a "Dell")it's best to let "Earl" fix it. If you can get a
"fixed price" (that includes any additional equipment that might be
required), then that's all for the better (in my book at least). Good
luck!!
Robert L Bass
> 30-35 doors and windows. Each door and window
> has a magnetic switch already install. This is new
> construction. Each uses two conductors so actually
> that's maybe 70 or so conductors. ADT actually
> expects me to pay $35 to connect the two conducts
> up to the circuit board for each and every door and
> window. That's $1000-$1200. This could not talk two
> hours to do and they want over $1k??? Oh, maybe
> it's the series resistor that cost so much??? (That
> was a joke).
$35 per sensor just to connect the wires to the panel?
If I understand you correctly, there's little for ADT to do.
Even if they test every sensor afterward, the whole job
is still less than 2 hours' work. You'd be better off
buying a panel, installing it yourself and having one of
the discount monitoring firms like 911alarm.com do
the monitoring. You can buy a new (non-ADT) control
panel, use the existing keypads and all your wiring for
less than $180.
Hook it up yourself and have it monitored for about
$12 a month. Even after paying for a new panel you'll
be way ahead the first year and you won't get ripped
off with excessive labor fees.
> I thought ADT was a good company...
ADT *corporate* is usually OK. ADT also has so-called
"authorized dealers". These are independent alarm
companies who have an agreement to sell their monitoring
accounts to ADT. They use ADT's name and logo.
They're supposed to indicate clearly that they are not
ADT itself but many times they fail to do so. There have
been hundreds of complaints from victims of these
authorized dealers who pull every kind of scam in the
book. Your problem with this dealer is fairly common.
The salesman will promise anything to get the signature
on the multi-year monitoring contract.
> The salesmen knew I didn't want to pay his company
> another $1k or so but evidently he sold me the system
> knowing very well that ADT will die before they will
> every give up any info for me to do this...
What you want is of little to no importance to the
salesman. He got what he wanted -- the commission
for getting your signature on that agreement. Cancel the
contract based on the misleading sales pitch. File a
complaint with your state's licensing agency.
If you want help on this call me. I cater to DIYers who
want to install or service their own alarm systems so
I'm not without bias in this area. You've probably
noticed how "helpful" most professional alarm installers
are in this newsgroup. Many work for or own companies
that do the exact same things to their customers that
ADT did to you.
Kraka
>> Sorry I don't understand your question. I have about
>> 30-35 doors and windows. Each door and window
>> has a magnetic switch already install. This is new
>> construction. Each uses two conductors so actually
>> that's maybe 70 or so conductors. ADT actually
>> expects me to pay $35 to connect the two conducts
>> up to the circuit board for each and every door and
>> window. That's $1000-$1200. This could not talk two
>> hours to do and they want over $1k??? Oh, maybe
>> it's the series resistor that cost so much??? (That
>> was a joke).
>
> $35 per sensor just to connect the wires to the panel?
> If I understand you correctly, there's little for ADT to do.
> Even if they test every sensor afterward, the whole job
> is still less than 2 hours' work.
god what a numb nut. 35 openings mounting switches and hooking up panel
and testing in 2 hours? you are a maroon. attention, attention lying
idiot fishboy on the loose in the GROUP trying to scam his way into
another sale!
Sue
properly, and it sounds like you don't have the patience to do it right.
Better to pay someone to do it. That's really not a bad price.
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Robert you are the ONLY one not an asshole or who wasted my time. What
is with these losers? Don't they have girlfriends. They spend all
their time second guessing everyone and talking shit about what they
know nothing about. Why are they handling on an alarm group? Trying to
meet girls??? Other morons say that $1200 for two hours work by ADT
is a "good deal". I am amazed!! I guess My Space must have kicked them
off, uh? I will contact you. I'm also confident I will get out of
this deal with ADT. ADT is a joke. In most industries the larger
company tend not to rip you off. It doesn't take a scientist to put in
an alarm, notwithstanding the geniuses posting here lately. --thanks
Jim
This person is a scam artist and should be avoided at all costs.
He lies constantly about his capabilities, simply to dupe people
into buying from his website.
Take a look at his horrendous Better Business Bureau Report.
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Just Looking
that would want you as a customer in the first place. Since you started this
project yourself, you should be glad to finish it yourself. If you can hook
up 35 disparate zones along with the necessary zone expanders, program the
panel along with all the extra zones (and put in the custom English text for
each and every zone), test them FULLY to note gap distance on each protected
opening, find all the grounds, shorts or opens on the wires, fill out the
EIS sheet and send signals to the central station for each and every zone,
all in just 2 hours, by yourself, I'll kiss your ass on the court house
steps and give you another two hours to draw a crowd to witness it. After
you have finished your little install to the parameters I mention above I am
sure you are man enough to come back here and eat crow to tell us how long
this whole thing really took you. Don't be afraid to send up a picture of
your work too. I'm sure it will be trimmed out with tie straps and zone
labels on all the wires, right? By the way it is standard to spec 4 hours to
trim and program most alarm panels.
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Mark Leuck
>
> If you want help on this call me. I cater to DIYers who
> want to install or service their own alarm systems so
> I'm not without bias in this area. You've probably
> noticed how "helpful" most professional alarm installers
> are in this newsgroup. Many work for or own companies
> that do the exact same things to their customers that
> ADT did to you.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
Robert you are the ONLY one not an asshole or who wasted my time. What
is with these losers?
Thats because Robert only wants to sell you product, the rest of us don't.
Watch how much help he is when you don't want to buy anything
Tommy
> Robert you are the ONLY one not an asshole or who wasted my time. What
> is with these losers? Don't they have girlfriends. They spend all
> their time second guessing everyone and talking shit about what they
> know nothing about. Why are they handling on an alarm group? Trying to
> meet girls??? Other morons say that $1200 for two hours work by ADT
> is a "good deal". I am amazed!! I guess My Space must have kicked them
> off, uh? I will contact you. I'm also confident I will get out of
> this deal with ADT. ADT is a joke. In most industries the larger
> company tend not to rip you off. It doesn't take a scientist to put in
> an alarm, notwithstanding the geniuses posting here lately. --thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Robert is the only one here that is telling you what you want to hear.
ADT probably not let you out of your contract, but if they do and you
purchase a new panel, hook up everything except the 35 windows and doors
and get it working. Then start timing, go back and hook up all the
windows and doors in the lasst 35, program them , test them, send
signals to your new central station, and come back here and let us know
the time it took.
If you can do it in under 2 hours and it all works correctly, then you
can probably get a job from anyone here.
By the way, no one here tries to be an asshole. a lot depends on how you
ask your questions. most everyone here knows how to do their job and run
their business. you got honest feedback, and slammed everyone for it. we
are a smartass lot but you need to look a little closer to home to find
the asshole.
Crash Gordon
We do alarms and other low voltage work...we know what it costs and what it
takes to do a job the right way.
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Robert L Bass
Well, I do have my moments. :^)
> or who wasted my time. What is with these
> losers? Don't they have girlfriends. They spend
> all their time second guessing everyone and
> talking shit about what they know nothing about.
They're not all that way. A few actually try to help
from time to time. I piss them off by explaining to
DIYers how to do what they do for a living. In
return they file bogus complaints, harass my
vendors and post lots of hateful stuff online. It
seems to make them happy. I guess that's
better than going around stealing hubcaps. :^)
> Why are they handling on an alarm group?
> Trying to meet girls???
Or guys???
> Other morons say that $1200 for two hours work
> by ADT is a "good deal".
It is pretty ridiculous. I like it when they try
to explain that their fees are so high because they
pay their state a licensing fee of $150 a year or
whatever. I guess to them it all seems reasonable.
> I am amazed!! I guess My Space must have
> kicked them off, uh?
Or NAMBLA.
> I will contact you...
Fine. I'm around from 10:00 am (Eastern) most
weekdays. Weekends are catch as catch can.
Robert L Bass
Comes naturally, eh?
Tommy
@trnddc01:
>> By the way, no one here tries to be an asshole...
>
> Comes naturally, eh?
>
yeah, maybe for you.
Me. i work hard at it!
Robert L Bass
Nice to know you're a success.
Tommy
@trnddc01:
>> Me. i work hard at it!
>
> Nice to know you're a success.
>
yes I am.
you're only half that :)
Jim
> an alarm, notwithstanding the geniuses posting here lately. --thanks-
Uh huh.
Out of about 20 people, only you and the only asshole who only wants
to sell you something, are the only two nice guys here.
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
awetr...@yahoo.com
Oh, I didn't kow they had to pay a $150 lic fee. Why didn't you say
so??
I see what you mean above. Do they think they'll get work by hanging
out on a Google group all day? Just amazes me people who have nothing
better to do, talking about thing they could not possibly know about.
I guess that's why my space is so popular. Also gives a place for
those with a job to fuck the boss by wasting time online. This would
be a great place if not for the losers.
Robert L Bass
> fee. Why didn't you say so??
Heh. Some are licensed. Others need a leash.
> I see what you mean above. Do they think
> they'll get work by hanging out on a Google
> group all day?
Not really. I'm about the only one who gets
work here. I get a lot of customers who have
read my posts. Many remark about some of
the thugs who post trash here.
> Just amazes me people who have nothing
> better to do, talking about thing they could
> not possibly know about...
Yes, I know. It's almost an online sport. If you
look at the posting patterns you'll see that some
spend literally every off-duty hour in ASA. It
tells you something about their lack of a life. I
post mainly to get business. I try to offer help
to DIYers and newbies and I soemtimes reply to
the idiocy. It works. End users quickly see who
is trying to help and who is just being rude.
Buggs
>This would be a great place if not for the losers.
That's what I was thinking.
You 'bout done then?
Bye.
js
Sue
This guy is a network engineer, and he's an electronics genius!!
30-40 minutes just to get out of the truck? How old are you? ;-)
"Buggs" <thatsal...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Yea, just what I want to spend my time on. Hooking up some DIY's
> "pre-wire" to my control. For what, $50? This guy is probably a network
> "engineer" or software "engineer". I can smell 'em, I tell ya.
> js
>
> "Crash Gordon" <webm...@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in message
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>> and some poor mook installer will try to install his switches with wires
>> coming out of 1/4" holes in imported hardwood window frames...hmmm that
>> should take only 3 minutes.
>>
>> damn...it takes 30-40 minutes just to get out of the truck, get organized
>> and get rolling. NOTHING takes an hour.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rob Giordano
>> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Buggs" <thatsal...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:O_Nri.71436$dI1....@newsfe08.phx...
>> | Grow up. You picked the wrong alarmco for the wrong reasons. Now you
>> want
>> | your cake and eat it too. Do it yourself if you don't want to pay, or
>> STFU
>> | and pay to have it done for you. Jeez.
>> | js
Mark Leuck
instructions on how to create a dog-humping USB drive
I don't think I want someone like that wiring alarm switches
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Sue
hard and plays hard. And he's a really good kid. He fixes my cameras.
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Sue
http://ip.gliebetronics.com:801/blog/?p=779
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Buggs
> http://ip.gliebetronics.com:801/blog/?p=791
>
> This guy is a network engineer, and he's an electronics genius!!
And your point is....
js
Roland More
I'm calling PETA!
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Sue
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Buggs
Maybe not. The ones that come here are all cut from the same cloth though.
js
Mark Leuck
They can design IC chips or program mainframes but can't do much else
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