Press "1" for English
G. Morgan
recording says is "press '1' for English".
Why the fuck do I have to press *anything* to get an English speaker?
What country is this? When are you bastards going to stop electing
officials that are giving the USA away? I'm not a Bush fan by any
means, but today he signed the Fence Act, the first sign of
ballseyness since he decided to kill 2000+ US troops for no reason.
And while I'm at it, the terrorists HAVE won:
Comedy Central is too afraid to show Mohammad's image on South Park.
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/04/comedy_central_censored_mohammed_south_park/
BBC reports: "Nearly everyone at the summit, including the show's
actual producer and the BBC's head of drama, Alan Yentob, agreed they
could all be thrown into the bin, except the Koran for fear of
offending Muslims."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/text/article.html?in_article_id=411846&in_page_id=1770&in_main_section=&in_sub_section=&in_chn_id=
And whatever else I think of later...
So fuck all you for turning my country into shit.
--
-Graham
(remove the double e's to email)
alarman
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Yeah. It's too late though. Not enough men in government now. I don't mind
that they're crooks so much, I just wish that they had some balls.
Who said this:
"If I had inherited the mess that Johnson got into, I would have said to
North Vietnam, by dropping leaflets out of B-52s, 'You quit the war in three
days or the next time these babies come over they're going to drop some big
bombs on you.' And I'd make a swamp out of North Vietnam ... I'd rather kill
a hell of a lot of North Vietnamese than one American and we've lost enough
of them,"
and this:
"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more
efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote
welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to
repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones
that do violence to the Constitution or that have failed their purpose, or
that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not
attempt to discover whether legislation is ``needed'' before I have first
determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should later
be attacked for neglecting my constituents "interests,'' I shall reply that
I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause I
am doing the very best I can."
and of course:
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And
let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no
virtue."
I wonder where we would be if he had been elected president in 1964 instead
of LBJ.
js
Frank Olson
> Called Nextel/Sprint 411 for a phone number. The first thing the
> recording says is "press '1' for English".
>
Probably for the same reason why "Cantonese" is "2" on the queue for
Shaw Cable and "French" is "3"... It's the fur-in-ohrs, Otis. They's
takin' ovah.
>
> What country is this?
Brazil?
> When are you bastards going to stop electing
> officials that are giving the USA away?
My understanding is that "they're" buying and "you're" selling. I don't
think anyone's givin' anything away except for them guys over at the
Ademco counter (and I hardly think free screwdrivers means the
end-of-all-things-as-we-know-it).
> I'm not a Bush fan by any
> means, but today he signed the Fence Act, the first sign of
> ballseyness since he decided to kill 2000+ US troops for no reason.
There's quite a few Canadian, British, Spanish, and Italian personnel
too (to name a few more countries). The reason for going to Iraq was
all a sham, but now that we're there, let's show them just how much
worse a democratically elected President can screw things up.
>
>
> And while I'm at it, the terrorists HAVE won:
<snip>
Not on your Nelly they haven't. We've just deployed some additional
"security devices" to ensure we don't get "robbed". Don't you "upgrade"
your security system when a weakness becomes apparent??
Robert L Bass
>
That's pretty much what Native Americans have been saying for hundreds of years.
> Yeah. It's too late though. Not enough men in
> government now. I don't mind that they're crooks
> so much, I just wish that they had some balls.
Whatever floats your boat.
(PeteCresswell)
>That's pretty much what Native Americans have been saying for hundreds of years.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
When NASA was preparing for the Apollo Project, it took the astronauts to a
Navajo reservation in Arizona for training. One day, a Navajo elder and his son
came across the space crew walking among the rocks.
The elder, who spoke only Navajo, asked a question. His son translated for the
NASA people: "What are these guys in the big suits doing?"
One of the astronauts said that they were practicing for a trip to the moon.
When his son relayed this comment the Navajo elder got all excited and asked if
it would be possible to give to the astronauts a message to deliver to the moon.
Recognizing a promotional opportunity when he saw one, a NASA official
accompanying the astronauts said, "Why certainly!" and told an underling to get
a tape recorder .
The Navajo elder's comments into the microphone were brief.
The NASA official asked the son if he would translate what his father had said.
The son listened to the recording and laughed uproariously. But he refused to
translate. So the NASA people took the tape to a nearby Navajo village and
played it for other members of the tribe. They too laughed long and loudly but
also refused to translate the elder's message to the moon.
Finally, an official government translator was summoned.
After he finally stopped laughing the translator relayed the message: "Watch out
for these pricks. They have come to steal your land."
-------------------------------------------------------
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PeteCresswell
Crash Gordon
We will lose this one if we don't find some cajones.
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Crash Gordon
You don't get choices like that in any other country...at least not the ones
I've been to. You learn the language of the country, sink or swim.
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Doug
of the canal locks documenting the history of the canal. It was in German
and Japanese only.
Doug
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coord
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Hah....my home territory! There used to be a sign there that was also written in "American
english"...had to be removed because no-one could understand it...something to do with missing
vowels?
Everywhere Man
Shame you Brits can't read unless the words are spelled wrong.
ColoUr
NeighboUr
Cheque
Tonne
Metre
Centre
Well at least you're not French
Robert L Bass
> other country...at least not the ones
> I've been to. You learn the language
> of the country, sink or swim.
Sure you do. Canadian firms frewquently have options for French or English. Brazilian firms often offer Portuguese, English and
Spanish. It all depends on what their target audience is. If they want to do business with people who don't speak English (note:
their money is the same color as that currently used by Navajos), they provide the options.
What amazes me is that there are people dumb as Cracker who think this is a problem for them. It goes to show how ignorant he is.
Bob Worthy
> > You don't get choices like that in any
> > other country...at least not the ones
> > I've been to. You learn the language
> > of the country, sink or swim.
>
> Sure you do. Canadian firms frewquently
I told you that you shouldn't post while you are on drugs, your slurring
your words!
> What amazes me is that there are people dumb >as Cracker who think this is
a problem for them. >It goes to show how ignorant he is.
You didn't take time to ask him what countries he has been to. He
specifically said in his post, "at least not the ones I've been to." We
should start calling you "quick draw."
Having a travel agency, I have had the good fortune to travel quite
extensively. The general population of most foreign speaking countries
either do not or choose to not speak english. Businesses that want to do
business with english speaking companies will make the effort. Although
english is taught in most schools, between their culture and the fact that
they leave school at a very early age, what little english they have learned
leaves them quickly when they never have the opportunity to leave their
communitys. The kids, still in school, will speak in english, if asked to,
and even translate for their parents. I can just see you down there trying
to talk to all the little boys of Brazil. By the way, why is it that you
never responded back to me when I posted to you in Portuguese? You staying
at an all english compound down there, and haven't learned the language?
Letting your wife do all the translating? Hey hey hey, we're back to some
good ole kicks and giggles or do you have me back on ignore already? :o]
mikey
Learn the language, sink or swim? hahahahahahahahahaha, that's rich
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Crash Gordon
for Spanish?
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Crash Gordon
speak...must be the frigid temps or something.
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Charles Schuler
> So fuck all you for turning my country into shit.
Not so easy to f*** all of us and not so easy to turn a great country into
s***.
Calm down and count your blessings. You could have been born in Africa in a
region where genocide is practiced and you were on the receiving end.
November 7 is your chance to say something that could matter.
It's only as bad as you think it is.
Robert L Bass
>
> I told you that you shouldn't post while you are
> on drugs, your slurring your words!
USNET is a text medium. One can't "slur" one's words although you do show a propensity to post slurs.
Note: I can spell. I just can't tpye.
>> What amazes me is that there are people dumb
>> as Cracker who think this is a problem for them.
>> It goes to show how ignorant he is.
>
> You didn't take time to ask him what countries he
> has been to. He specifically said in his post, "at
> least not the ones I've been to." We should start
> calling you "quick draw."
Although I was replying to Crash, I was referring to Cracker regarding ignorance. Everyone knows he's never been anywhere.
> Having a travel agency, I have had the good fortune
> to travel quite extensively. The general population of
> most foreign speaking countries either do not or
> choose to not speak english. Businesses that want
> to do business with english speaking companies will
> make the effort....
I believe that is what I said.
> Although english is taught in most schools, between
> their culture and the fact that they leave school at a
> very early age, what little english they have learned
> leaves them quickly when they never have the
> opportunity to leave their communitys. The kids, still
> in school, will speak in english, if asked to, and even
> translate for their parents. I can just see you down
> there trying to talk to all the little boys of Brazil...
The only "little boys" from Brazil whom I know are a few of my nephiews. I speak just enough Portugues to get by but I'm nowhere
near fluent yet. When I'm there for more than a few weeks my skills get better.
> By the way, why is it that you never responded back
> to me when I posted to you in Portuguese?...
I don't recall the post. Resend it and I'll try to answer you.
> You staying at an all english compound down there,
> and haven't learned the language?
Nope. Our second home is a condo in a Portugues speaking neighborhood. Some of my wife's family speak a little English but most
don't. We have a lot of Brazilian friends and family members who live near us in the USA, too. Most of them speak fair to good
English. One is a college English professor. She teaches ESL to immigrants. She speaks fluent Portuguese, English, Spanish,
Italian and French. Her English grmmar is better than many Americans.
I have a brother-in-law who speaks Portuguese, English, French, German and (if I recall correctly) Italian. We're all planning to
take a trip to Spain, Portugal, Italy and England sometime in the next year or two -- probably about 6 weeks total. That will be a
challenge for me since my Spanish is a little rusty and I don't speak French or Italian. Fortunately, Italian is closer to
Portugues than most other romance languages so I should be able to at least understand somewhat.
> Letting your wife do all the translating?
Nah. I usually end up translating more for her than the other way around. Her English has improved a lot in our five years
together though her accent is very strong, making it difficult for some folks to understand her. We speak about 50/50
English/Portuguese at home. When we're visiting Brazilian friends we try to speak exclusively Portuguese but it's a challenge for
me.
> Hey hey hey, we're back to some good ole
> kicks and giggles or do you have me back
> on ignore already?
Nope. As long as you don't get too nasty you're in view. If I get bored with your BS I'll simply bozo-bin you.
Robert L Bass
> but, do they offer a choice for Spanish?
I'm still curious why this bothers anyone. If a company wants to do business with Hispanics (or Tibetan monks for that matter),
what difference does it make to us? Press [1] or stay on the line and the auto-attendant stays in English. Big deal!
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Robert L Bass
=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>
G. Morgan
wrote:
Wow, I didn't know that about Goldwater. Wouldn't have mattered as I
wasn't born yet.
>I wonder where we would be if he had been elected president in 1964 instead
>of LBJ.
That's a damn good question. I've always looked back at Johnson's
presidency as a complete failure and a crucial turning point for our
country. Of course Nixon was no better.
G. Morgan
<Use_the_e...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote:
>G. Morgan wrote:
>> Called Nextel/Sprint 411 for a phone number. The first thing the
>> recording says is "press '1' for English".
>>
>> Why the flock do I have to press *anything* to get an English speaker?
>
Post editing is not nice, Frank.
>Probably for the same reason why "Cantonese" is "2" on the queue for
>Shaw Cable and "French" is "3"... It's the fur-in-ohrs, Otis. They's
>takin' ovah.
>
And we're lettin' um.
>>
>> What country is this?
>
>Brazil?
Good God.
>
>> When are you bastards going to stop electing
>> officials that are giving the USA away?
>
>My understanding is that "they're" buying and "you're" selling. I don't
>think anyone's givin' anything away except for them guys over at the
>Ademco counter (and I hardly think free screwdrivers means the
>end-of-all-things-as-we-know-it).
>
I think it's more the Mexicoons are stealin' and we're tuning the
other cheek. I'm so sick of far leftie liberals like bAss saying it's
OK for them to break the to come over here for a better life. On the
same token I sick of far right GOP's ignoring the problem because they
want their lawns mowed cheaply. No increase for the minimum wage in a
decade, it's $5.35 per hour here in the US a wage no one can live on.
Yet--> GOP Members of Congress (whom have voted down numerous bills
increasing the minimum wage) in the same time period have voted
themselves pay raises totaling close to 24% from 1996 to 2006. The
salary for a congressman in 1996 was $133,600, today it's $165,200.
The GOP majority thinks they can act impuntatively, they are in for a
huge wake-up call in a few days.
>> I'm not a Bush fan by any
>> means, but today he signed the Fence Act, the first sign of
>> ballseyness since he decided to kill 2000+ US troops for no reason.
>
>There's quite a few Canadian, British, Spanish, and Italian personnel
>too (to name a few more countries). The reason for going to Iraq was
>all a sham,
That's another thing that burns me up, Bush boldly LIED to the
American citizens about the reasons for invading Iraq. Now the one
who really was working on WMD's, HAS THEM AND TESTED THEM. Thanks,
Bush -- I'm sure your daddy is proud.
>but now that we're there, let's show them just how much
>worse a democratically elected President can screw things up.
>
That's just plain stupid. That's like those jerks saying stuff like
"thank God Bush was in office during 9/11", implying Gore would have
sent Afganastan a dozen roses and a box of chocolates.
>>
>>
>> And while I'm at it, the terrorists HAVE won:
>
><snip>
>
>Not on your Nelly they haven't. We've just deployed some additional
>"security devices" to ensure we don't get "robbed". Don't you "upgrade"
>your security system when a weakness becomes apparent??
Huh?
G. Morgan
<webm...@siriussystems.invalid> wrote:
>More pc bullshit.
Exactly, why are most so afraid to say what they 'really' think? This
PC bullshit is gotten this country nowhere. It's time to tell it like
it is.
>You don't get choices like that in any other country...at least not the ones
>I've been to. You learn the language of the country, sink or swim.
Our PC legislators have continuously shot down legislation to name
English as the official language. Wonder why? (that's just a
rhetorical question).
G. Morgan
<charle...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>> So fuck all you for turning my country into shit.
>
>Not so easy to f*** all of us and not so easy to turn a great country into
>s***.
>Calm down and count your blessings. You could have been born in Africa in a
>region where genocide is practiced and you were on the receiving end.
That's true. The USA is still the greatest country in the world as
far as I'm concerned, I hate watching her being destroyed slowly.
>November 7 is your chance to say something that could matter.
Exactly.
>
>It's only as bad as you think it is.
From where I sit it's pretty bad.
G. Morgan
>I was in Stratford Upon Avon a couple of months ago, there was a sign by one
>of the canal locks documenting the history of the canal. It was in German
>and Japanese only.
It probably read, "If you can read this, thank a Brit."
G. Morgan
<rober...@comcast.net> wrote:
>The only "little boys" from Brazil whom I know are a few of my nephiews.
Were they the ones that were kidnapped in your fairy tale you posted
years ago?
Mark Leuck
Pfffttt what nonsense
Robert L Bass
November 8 will be a very good day.
Everywhere Man
Robert L Bass wrote:
> > You don't get choices like that in any
> > other country...at least not the ones
> > I've been to. You learn the language
> > of the country, sink or swim.
>
> Sure you do. Canadian firms frewquently have options for French or English. Brazilian firms often offer Portuguese, English and
> Spanish. It all depends on what their target audience is. If they want to do business with people who don't speak English (note:
> their money is the same color as that currently used by Navajos), they provide the options. <
I hate agreeing with you.
Now before you get all happy let's set the record straight.
I agree about not alienating customers with language as the vehicle but
your Sitting Bullshit routine about the indians is dead wrong.The
Indian tribes weren't native to this soil. They came across what is now
the Aleutian Islands from Asia.
Ratchet442
Doug
ton which is 2204lbs , ton can refer to the Imperial Ton which is a manly
2240lbs or the rather puny US or short ton which weighs in at a mere
2000lbs.
Not content with fucking up a perfectly good language, apparently Imperial
weights and measures weren't good enough either, an Imperial gallon is about
20% larger than a US gallon, consequently when ordering a pint of beer in
the US you get shorted, which on reflection probably isn't a bad thing, and
of course the US inch is a third shorter that the Imperial inch.
Doug
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G. Morgan
wrote:
It's not about whether or not the company wants to offer agents that
speak languages other than English. My point was, why do I have to
press anything to get English. The default should be English with
options for other language speakers to press buttons.
Mark Leuck
My complaint is why don't they offer Mandarin Chinese, Hebrew , Swahili and
Danish languages? I mean if you start going down that road....
Robert L Bass
You just hate being agreeable. :^)
>> Now before you get all happy let's set
>> the record straight. I agree about not
>> alienating customers with language as
>> the vehicle but your Sitting Bullshit
>> routine about the indians is dead wrong.
>> The Indian tribes weren't native to this
>> soil. They came across what is now
>> the Aleutian Islands from Asia.
Native Americans may or may not have been the first people to populate what we now call the USA. But there is no record that they
tried to keep anyone else from coming here. By the time Europeans got here, the "Indians" were the native people. We're all
newcomers here, except Olson who abandoned the USA many years ago so he doesn't count.
>> It's not about whether or not the
>> company wants to offer agents that
>> speak languages other than English.
>> My point was, why do I have to
>> press anything to get English...
Usually you press [1] so you won't have to listen to the list of other options. Most of the US businesses that offer language
options will default to English if you don't press anything. The "Press [1] for English" option is first to save you time. If it's
too much trouble pressing a touch-tone button on the phone, feel free to listen to the entire menu.
>> The default should be English with
>> options for other language speakers
>> to press buttons.
The default should be whomever is the primary market group of the company you're calling. In most cases that is English. Your
*real* issue is you're a xenophobe and that is likely only because you think it will score you points with the IB. It's got nothing
to do with pushing buttons on the phone.
(PeteCresswell)
>Did ya listen long enough to hear "Press 2 for Broken English"?
>
The one I heard was
"Press 1 for English. Press 2 to hang up and go learn English."
--
PeteCresswell
Everywhere Man
#1- The Nextel/Sprint customer base is GLOBAL
#2- Your state was originally Mexico so you are the descendant of
immigrants.
#3- Regardless of what language people speak they still spend money. My
family came to America in 1906, and didn't speak English right off the
boat. It took years. My great-grandmother never spoke English. Should
they have shipped her back, and just my grandmother, aunts, and uncles
(who were kids at that time) to fend for themselves?
Graham, I am so Conservative I make Sean Hannity seem like Ted Kennedy,
but conservatism does not mean discrimination. Conservatism does not
mean English only need apply. It takes most immigrants a generation to
adapt to America.
Border jumping infuriates me to all ends of the earth but not because
they don't speak my language. Unions and people who expect union wages
are to blame. I am out the door now but when I come back I will expand
on it.
Frank Olson
> Native Americans may or may not have been the first people to populate what we now call the USA. But there is no record that they
> tried to keep anyone else from coming here. By the time Europeans got here, the "Indians" were the native people. We're all
> newcomers here, except Olson who abandoned the USA many years ago so he doesn't count.
Actually, I didn't "abandon" the USA. I was kidnapped while riding to
school in my pram by a couple from Brazil.
Steve
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Does that make you one of the Boys from Brazil?
Frank Olson
> "Frank Olson" <Use_the_e...@yoursecuritysource.com> wrote in message
> news:q1N0h.211180$R63.173385@pd7urf1no...
>>Actually, I didn't "abandon" the USA. I was kidnapped while riding to
>>school in my pram by a couple from Brazil.
>
>
> Does that make you one of the Boys from Brazil?
>
>
Jawohl.
Karl Magnus
> Screw 'em they lost the war.
> We will lose this one if we don't find some cajones.
>
That's what I say about Kuwait!!
G. Morgan
wrote:
>
>G. Morgan wrote:
>> On 27 Oct 2006 18:51:59 -0700, "Everywhere Man" <alarmi...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Robert L Bass wrote:
>> >> > You don't get choices like that in any
>> >> > other country...at least not the ones
>> >> > I've been to. You learn the language
>> >> > of the country, sink or swim.
>> >>
>> >> Sure you do. Canadian firms frewquently have options for French or English. Brazilian firms often offer Portuguese, English and
>> >> Spanish. It all depends on what their target audience is. If they want to do business with people who don't speak English (note:
>> >> their money is the same color as that currently used by Navajos), they provide the options. <
>> >
>> >I hate agreeing with you.
>> >Now before you get all happy let's set the record straight.
>> >I agree about not alienating customers with language as the vehicle but
>> >your Sitting Bullshit routine about the indians is dead wrong.The
>> >Indian tribes weren't native to this soil. They came across what is now
>> >the Aleutian Islands from Asia.
>>
>>
>> It's not about whether or not the company wants to offer agents that
>> speak languages other than English. My point was, why do I have to
>> press anything to get English. The default should be English with
>> options for other language speakers to press buttons. <
>
>
>#1- The Nextel/Sprint customer base is GLOBAL
The wireless networks they maintain are limited to North America,
since Sprint uses PCS technology and Nextel uses iDEN the phones are
pretty much useless in the rest of the world, which is mostly GSM
(T-Mobile and Cingular use it here). Granted, Sprint has a global
IP infrastructure, but that's not what we're talking about.
>#2- Your state was originally Mexico so you are the descendant of
>immigrants.
My state was originally Mexico, yes. And I am the descendant of
immigrants, but the two have nothing to do with each other. The thing
is, Texas has not been a part of Mexico for about 150 years.
>#3- Regardless of what language people speak they still spend money.
Ah-ha! Now we are getting somewhere.
> My
>family came to America in 1906, and didn't speak English right off the
>boat. It took years. My great-grandmother never spoke English. Should
>they have shipped her back, and just my grandmother, aunts, and uncles
>(who were kids at that time) to fend for themselves?
Of course not, but I'm sure when your family came over they did so
legally. They also had full intentions of assimilating into American
culture and learning the language, yes?
The problem I see is that the modern day Mexican immigrants have no
intention of doing either. In fact, too many times on a Friday when
payday is (I guess) you see lines of them at the Western Union counter
shipping all that hard earned money back to Mexico. This damages the
economy. When it comes full circle, the money most likely goes to
coyotes that bring more illegal's over.
>Graham, I am so Conservative I make Sean Hannity seem like Ted Kennedy,
>but conservatism does not mean discrimination. Conservatism does not
>mean English only need apply. It takes most immigrants a generation to
>adapt to America.
This really isn't about a conservative/liberal debate. It's not about
discrimination, racism, and all those other nasty words that tend to
scare folks away from reasonable discussion of this issue.
I think it boils down to:
1> Enforcing the immigration laws that already exist, so that all
immigrants be treated fairly. Just because we share a border with
Mexico does not give their citizens any special treatment.
2> Making immigrants WANT to be a part of our society, not just leech
from it. I can't tell you how many places I visit daily where NO
English speaker is available (often these are customers). Why do I
have to adapt? The burden of bridging the language barrier should be
on them, not me. This includes ballots written in language other than
English too.
>Border jumping infuriates me to all ends of the earth but not because
>they don't speak my language.
As I said, it's the attitude that I witness first hand on a daily
basis that makes me angry with this whole border problem. What I see
is many of them having a sense of entitlement to come here and set-up
camp with no intention of assimilating. They intend to re-take Texas,
which was lost to them with The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo some 150
years ago.
I'm not happy that our government has to resort to a fence along the
border either. I'm just glad 'something' is being done and the problem
is finally center stage.
> Unions and people who expect union wages
>are to blame.
That came flying out of nowhere! Labor unions are not very popular
here, the only union workers I come in contact with are some
electricians and phone employees with CWA.
> I am out the door now but when I come back I will expand
>on it.
Looking forward to it.
Everywhere Man
change their lifestyle to suit ours? Let me see if I can understand
this. If Red China conquers the U.S. we should all start speaking
Chinese? Should all signs in english be removed from stores, airports,
hospitals, etc in non-english speaking countries?
When Texas was part of Mexico did the American immigrants assimilate to
Mexican lifestyles or did they revolt? Did all Americans legally enter
Mexico in the 1800's or did Mexico get flooded with Americans entering
their sovereign nation, taking their land, taking their money, and
sending it back to family in the States? Pot, kettle, black.
Now where unions come into play regarding today's immigration issue is
simple.
Union employees are lazy and drive the up the cost of living with their
charity compensation packages.
Unions demand breaks, benefits, holidays, wages, etc. The only thing
unions don't demand is productivity.
Business owners here have been held hostage by unions and if the
opportunity to circumvent unions is available then that road will
likely be travelled. Bus drivers earning $80,000 per year is vile.
I recall a recent thread where you discussed what you expected from an
employer as an alarm installer. You want a 40hr work week, company
vehicle, overtime, health, dental, life, etc.
When that overtime is caused by an installer dragging his heels, or the
emergency service call is caused by an installer error what should the
employer expect?
When the installer doesn't produce 100% the employer doesn't earn 100%.
Lack of production costs an employer and that cost gets passed down to
customers sooner or later.
Now when skilled people want a job, and will work their asses off
regardless of how long it takes to complete the job and STILL thank the
employer for the job then that person is more apt to get hired. Sadly
the union mentality in this country has made the workforce lazy.
Employers have to look elsewhere fo manpower. Americans are expecting a
40hr week job to be a financial homerun for them when previous
generations understood it took hard work, moonlighting, and sacrifices
to ultimately prosper in this country,
What is wrong with this country is not the men and women from other
nations coming here to work. It's the men and women of this country
believing they shouldn't have to work.
Employers, and the self-employed in America are the only ones left here
that understand that. We break our asses day in and day out to get to
where we are, and don't take too kindly to employees always expecting
more. This is a country that is made up of people who EXPECT a Xmas
bonus.
Bonus:
n., pl. -nus·es.
Something given or paid in addition to what is usual or expected.
A sum of money or an equivalent given to an employee in addition to the
employee's usual compensation.
A sum of money in addition to salary that is given to a professional
athlete for signing up with a team.
A subsidy from a government to an industry.
A sum of money paid by a government to a war veteran.
A premium, as of stock, that is given by a corporation to another
party, such as a purchaser of its securities.
A sum of money that is paid by a corporation in excess of interest or
royalties charged for the granting of a privilege or a loan to that
corporation.
Basketball. An additional free throw awarded to a player who has been
fouled when the opposing team has committed more than a specified
number of fouls during a period of play.
Nowhere does it say REQUIRED yet if an employer doesn't pay a Xmas
bonus he's called cheap, lowlife, scumbag, whatever you choose to call
him.
Maybe that employer couldn't afford the bonus because his employees
didn't PRODUCE enough.
We are in a country where even the youth are told that they are worth
more than $8.00 an hour in the workplace. None of them want to work
their way to the top. Everybody feels their kid is a genius and
deserves to go to college.
When you want to talk about a fucked up country take a look here first.
Not every kid is a genius. Some kids were meant to grow up and sweep
floors. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh but they won't sweep floors because they were
told they are geniuses. OK so now who the hell do we get to sweep the
floors? Who is going to wipe the old lady's ass in the nursing home?
Who is going to pick the oranges? Who is going to clean motel rooms,
bake pizzas, or bus tables?
The answer from America is NOT ME OR MY KID.
Well guess what........ the floor still needs sweeping. The sheets need
changing, and the lettuce needs picking.
If you don't want the job for what I can afford to pay then I am
looking elsewhere.
So if you have a problem with Mexicans coming here taking away jobs
then instead of bitching about it grab everyone who thinks like you and
run your asses right down to Denny's and take that dishwashing job
about from Raul. Then mosey on over to the Super 8 and tell Guadalupe
you are taking her job changing sheets. And in your spare time make
sure someone tells Francisco that his electrical skills at $20 an hour
are no longer required because you are American and willing to work for
$20 an hour as an electrician.
The problem isn't trying to stop the flood of immigrants (legal or
otherwise) it's trying to find a vehicle big enough to import their
whole damn country here so some shit can get done because frankly I am
sick & fucking tired of Americans whining about immigrants when that is
what makes this country great.
And if you have a problem with someone who no speakies then send them
and their wallet my way.
Too bad they don't speak English or I'd hire the whole damn lot.
The rest of this country should learn to speak French because we've
just like the lazy frog bastards.
Mark Leuck
>
>
> #3- Regardless of what language people speak they still spend money. My
> family came to America in 1906, and didn't speak English right off the
> boat. It took years.
Too bad you still haven't learned the language Tom :)
Everywhere Man
K?
G. Morgan
<m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote:
>Too bad you still haven't learned the language Tom :)
I was going to say the same thing! ;-)
G. Morgan
wrote:
>But the Mexican families that DIDN'T move after the war should suddenly
>change their lifestyle to suit ours? Let me see if I can understand
>this. If Red China conquers the U.S. we should all start speaking
>Chinese? Should all signs in english be removed from stores, airports,
>hospitals, etc in non-english speaking countries?
>When Texas was part of Mexico did the American immigrants assimilate to
>Mexican lifestyles or did they revolt? Did all Americans legally enter
>Mexico in the 1800's or did Mexico get flooded with Americans entering
>their sovereign nation, taking their land, taking their money, and
>sending it back to family in the States? Pot, kettle, black.
Oh come on Tom... This happened 5 generations ago. The US took the
land and that is that. You act like Manifest Destiny is a bad thing.
It's survival of the fittest, and it's been going on for 25,000 years.
When a land is taken the people are assimilated. Yes, after a war the
next generation of survivors are expected to assimilate. You
mentioned the Native Americans not being the original inhabitants of
present day USA, (which I have not been able to verify), since you
claim that they came from the Aleutian Islands (which is not in Asia
BTW) why don't you speak Aleut?
>Now where unions come into play regarding today's immigration issue is
>simple.
>Union employees are lazy and drive the up the cost of living with their
>charity compensation packages.
>Unions demand breaks, benefits, holidays, wages, etc. The only thing
>unions don't demand is productivity.
>Business owners here have been held hostage by unions and if the
>opportunity to circumvent unions is available then that road will
>likely be travelled. Bus drivers earning $80,000 per year is vile.
>I recall a recent thread where you discussed what you expected from an
>employer as an alarm installer. You want a 40hr work week, company
>vehicle, overtime, health, dental, life, etc.
<snip the rest of the tirade>
Tom, this is really very simple, and it's not just a union thing -
it's employer vs. employee.
When I choose to go to work for someone I am pretty much giving up any
hope of getting rich. In exchange for my loyalty, you have to agree
to pay a comfortable wage - and provide benefits that are necessary
for everyday living.
Overtime is not a union rule, it's based on state law. It's meant to
keep tyrants like yourself from exploiting workers.
Why shouldn't you provide a company vehicle? I'm driving to YOUR
jobsite. From what I understand, parking in your city at the jobsite
would cost me a half-days wage -- I guess I should pay that too?
All these things are the cost of doing business and should be included
in your markup. These are not luxury items. Like I told Bob, if I
wanted your headaches, I would start my own business.
>
>Bonus:
<snip>
>
>
>Nowhere does it say REQUIRED yet if an employer doesn't pay a Xmas
>bonus he's called cheap, lowlife, scumbag, whatever you choose to call
>him.
>Maybe that employer couldn't afford the bonus because his employees
>didn't PRODUCE enough.
That's fine. I never expect a bonus, when it's given I truly
appreciate it.
>We are in a country where even the youth are told that they are worth
>more than $8.00 an hour in the workplace. None of them want to work
>their way to the top. Everybody feels their kid is a genius and
>deserves to go to college.
>When you want to talk about a fucked up country take a look here first.
>Not every kid is a genius. Some kids were meant to grow up and sweep
>floors. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh but they won't sweep floors because they were
>told they are geniuses. OK so now who the hell do we get to sweep the
>floors? Who is going to wipe the old lady's ass in the nursing home?
>Who is going to pick the oranges? Who is going to clean motel rooms,
>bake pizzas, or bus tables?
>The answer from America is NOT ME OR MY KID.
Does that apply to your newborn? Is your kid going to sweep floors if
he turns out to be a nimrod? Nahhh... you will have told him
everything you just wrote above. And if he DOES turn out to be a
half-wit, you'll give him a job at 24/7 in management, no less.
>
>Well guess what........ the floor still needs sweeping. The sheets need
>changing, and the lettuce needs picking.
>If you don't want the job for what I can afford to pay then I am
>looking elsewhere.
>
>So if you have a problem with Mexicans coming here taking away jobs
>then instead of bitching about it grab everyone who thinks like you and
>run your asses right down to Denny's and take that dishwashing job
>about from Raul. Then mosey on over to the Super 8 and tell Guadalupe
>you are taking her job changing sheets. And in your spare time make
>sure someone tells Francisco that his electrical skills at $20 an hour
>are no longer required because you are American and willing to work for
>$20 an hour as an electrician.
>
>The problem isn't trying to stop the flood of immigrants (legal or
>otherwise) it's trying to find a vehicle big enough to import their
>whole damn country here so some shit can get done because frankly I am
>sick & fucking tired of Americans whining about immigrants when that is
>what makes this country great.
Yeah.. You and I are paying for the illegal's children's education,
healthcare, food stamps, social programs, and oh yeah-- prisons & jail
occupancy, but that is great. You know that 25% of your health care
premium is paying for illegal's, right? You see a small picture,
like most republicans. What's good for your wallet at this moment is
all that matters.
>And if you have a problem with someone who no speakies then send them
>and their wallet my way.
Send down the busses, you can have them all.
>Too bad they don't speak English or I'd hire the whole damn lot.
You can't, they are not eligible to work here.
>The rest of this country should learn to speak French because we've
>just like the lazy frog bastards.
Seems to me you've reverted to a plantation owner.
Everywhere Man
G. Morgan wrote:
> On 28 Oct 2006 16:10:09 -0700, "Everywhere Man" <alarmi...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >But the Mexican families that DIDN'T move after the war should suddenly
> >change their lifestyle to suit ours? Let me see if I can understand
> >this. If Red China conquers the U.S. we should all start speaking
> >Chinese? Should all signs in english be removed from stores, airports,
> >hospitals, etc in non-english speaking countries?
> >When Texas was part of Mexico did the American immigrants assimilate to
> >Mexican lifestyles or did they revolt? Did all Americans legally enter
> >Mexico in the 1800's or did Mexico get flooded with Americans entering
> >their sovereign nation, taking their land, taking their money, and
> >sending it back to family in the States? Pot, kettle, black.
>
> Oh come on Tom... This happened 5 generations ago. The US took the
> land and that is that. You act like Manifest Destiny is a bad thing.
> It's survival of the fittest, and it's been going on for 25,000 years.
> When a land is taken the people are assimilated. <
Well apparently your state has been reoccupied by Mexico so it's time
for you to assimilate or join a militia. I'll send you some pinatas for
the celebration. Funny how you say survival of the fittest yet you're
bitching because the Mexicans are making it hard for you to survive.
Outbid them. Work harder than them. Give an employer a reason to choose
you. It's a free market society and you can't stand that your price has
been beat. Maybe you should change your saying to survival of the
liberals.
> Yes, after a war the
> next generation of survivors are expected to assimilate. You
> mentioned the Native Americans not being the original inhabitants of
> present day USA, (which I have not been able to verify), since you
> claim that they came from the Aleutian Islands (which is not in Asia
> BTW) why don't you speak Aleut? <
Came THROUGH the Aleutian Islands from Asia. They didn't swim.
Native American/Eskimo ancestry can be traced back to the Mongol
tribes.
> >Now where unions come into play regarding today's immigration issue is
> >simple.
> >Union employees are lazy and drive the up the cost of living with their
> >charity compensation packages.
> >Unions demand breaks, benefits, holidays, wages, etc. The only thing
> >unions don't demand is productivity.
> >Business owners here have been held hostage by unions and if the
> >opportunity to circumvent unions is available then that road will
> >likely be travelled. Bus drivers earning $80,000 per year is vile.
> >I recall a recent thread where you discussed what you expected from an
> >employer as an alarm installer. You want a 40hr work week, company
> >vehicle, overtime, health, dental, life, etc.
>
> <snip the rest of the tirade>
>
> Tom, this is really very simple, and it's not just a union thing -
> it's employer vs. employee. <
The union work mentality is to blame.
> When I choose to go to work for someone I am pretty much giving up any
> hope of getting rich. In exchange for my loyalty, you have to agree
> to pay a comfortable wage - and provide benefits that are necessary
> for everyday living. <
Your loyalty? Nonsense! We are in an industry of job jumpers. Loyal to
what suits you is more like it.
As the employer I don't have to agree to diddly. Problem with employers
is they think they have to beg people to work. Shit if the employee was
any good in the first place he wouldn't be out looking for a job,
unless he relocated or a company went under.
> Overtime is not a union rule, it's based on state law. It's meant to
> keep tyrants like yourself from exploiting workers. <
State law for hourly wage employees. I pay a salary and if they don't
like what I pay or where they work they have the right to vacate the
job.
> Why shouldn't you provide a company vehicle? I'm driving to YOUR
> jobsite. From what I understand, parking in your city at the jobsite
> would cost me a half-days wage -- I guess I should pay that too? <
So McDonalds should provide cars to employees because they are driving
to work?
Parking & tolls are built into the price. If it requires an additional
trip because the tech is lazy then he's the one paying.
> All these things are the cost of doing business and should be included
> in your markup. These are not luxury items. Like I told Bob, if I
> wanted your headaches, I would start my own business. <
So my customers should pay more because the employee feels he deserves
his own vehicle?
Employees love that word DESERVE.
> >Bonus:
> <snip>
> >
> >
> >Nowhere does it say REQUIRED yet if an employer doesn't pay a Xmas
> >bonus he's called cheap, lowlife, scumbag, whatever you choose to call
> >him.
> >Maybe that employer couldn't afford the bonus because his employees
> >didn't PRODUCE enough.
>
> That's fine. I never expect a bonus, when it's given I truly
> appreciate it. <
As you should.
>
> >We are in a country where even the youth are told that they are worth
> >more than $8.00 an hour in the workplace. None of them want to work
> >their way to the top. Everybody feels their kid is a genius and
> >deserves to go to college.
> >When you want to talk about a fucked up country take a look here first.
> >Not every kid is a genius. Some kids were meant to grow up and sweep
> >floors. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh but they won't sweep floors because they were
> >told they are geniuses. OK so now who the hell do we get to sweep the
> >floors? Who is going to wipe the old lady's ass in the nursing home?
> >Who is going to pick the oranges? Who is going to clean motel rooms,
> >bake pizzas, or bus tables?
> >The answer from America is NOT ME OR MY KID.
>
>
> Does that apply to your newborn? Is your kid going to sweep floors if
> he turns out to be a nimrod? Nahhh... you will have told him
> everything you just wrote above. And if he DOES turn out to be a
> half-wit, you'll give him a job at 24/7 in management, no less. <
He will not be attending college and YES he will sweep floors. College
is for people who want to hide from reality. He will learn what it
takes to make it in this world. He will break his ass just like his
father does on a daily basis so he doesn't turn out to be a half-wit or
nimrod that has trouble holding a job and blames Mexican labor and
everyone else but himself for it. He'll end up telling people like that
what to do, and they will either do it or post some diatribe on an
newsgroup about how the recent migration of Hungarians has destroyed
the labor market.
> >Well guess what........ the floor still needs sweeping. The sheets need
> >changing, and the lettuce needs picking.
> >If you don't want the job for what I can afford to pay then I am
> >looking elsewhere.
> >
> >So if you have a problem with Mexicans coming here taking away jobs
> >then instead of bitching about it grab everyone who thinks like you and
> >run your asses right down to Denny's and take that dishwashing job
> >about from Raul. Then mosey on over to the Super 8 and tell Guadalupe
> >you are taking her job changing sheets. And in your spare time make
> >sure someone tells Francisco that his electrical skills at $20 an hour
> >are no longer required because you are American and willing to work for
> >$20 an hour as an electrician.
> >
> >The problem isn't trying to stop the flood of immigrants (legal or
> >otherwise) it's trying to find a vehicle big enough to import their
> >whole damn country here so some shit can get done because frankly I am
> >sick & fucking tired of Americans whining about immigrants when that is
> >what makes this country great.
>
> Yeah.. You and I are paying for the illegal's children's education,
> healthcare, food stamps, social programs, and oh yeah-- prisons & jail
> occupancy, but that is great. You know that 25% of your health care
> premium is paying for illegal's, right? You see a small picture,
> like most republicans. What's good for your wallet at this moment is
> all that matters. <
Well now that would be considered survival of the fittest again
wouldn't it? I'm fit enough to survive it. Not my problem if you're
not. Judging from your gripe you're not fit enough to survive. I'd
rather pay for their healthcare, food stamps, & social programs than
pay for your unemployment or social services. They still produce while
sucking off the government tit. How many people on unemployment can say
the same?
> >And if you have a problem with someone who no speakies then send them
> >and their wallet my way.
>
> Send down the busses, you can have them all.<
They're too busy working down there while others sit on their asses and
complain.
> >Too bad they don't speak English or I'd hire the whole damn lot.
>
> You can't, they are not eligible to work here.<
Because you survival of the fittest guys are scared to death to give
them citizenship. Make them legal residents and let's see who winds up
with the jobs and who winds up whining about protecting borders. When
did the first illegal alien arrive in America?
> >The rest of this country should learn to speak French because we've
> >just like the lazy frog bastards.
>
> Seems to me you've reverted to a plantation owner. <
So I'm a slave driver. Survival of the fittest.
If you liberals had your way I'd be Santa Claus handing shit out left
and right to every lazy bastard.
There was a time in this country when a man would shovel shit with his
toothbrush if it meant his family could eat. Now we have starving kids
because their parents are too "proud" to take those low wage jobs.
The Jews must be doing cartwheels that they are no longer to blame for
America's employment woes.
If my family was starving and I knew I could feed them by illegally
entering Canada and working at a diner for $50.00 a week I'd break that
law. If I owned the diner I would welcome the help. If I ate at the
diner I would be thankful my meal didn't cost 5 times as much. If I was
the starving child I would thank GOD my dad was man enough to provide
for his family.
What you expect your dad to do if he had no other means, Graham? Would
he cross the border to feed you or let you starve to death so he
doesn't offend ignorant people?
Nomen Nescio
>Unions demand breaks, benefits, holidays, wages, etc. The only thing
>unions don't demand is productivity.
>Business owners here have been held hostage by unions and if the
>opportunity to circumvent unions is available then that road will
>likely be travelled. Bus drivers earning $80,000 per year is vile.
>I recall a recent thread where you discussed what you expected from an
>employer as an alarm installer. You want a 40hr work week, company
>vehicle, overtime, health, dental, life, etc.
The reason unions exist is that some employers are out to screw their
employees so they can put more dollars in their own pockets. Maybe not
you, but some employers are definitely like that.
God damn those greedy employees for wanting things like overtime and health
care! How the hell is the company owner supposed to afford his new
Mercedes if he has to pay for crap like that?
Why is there a minimum wage? Because some employers would like to pay
their employees less. Why do businesses hire wetbacks? Because they work
cheap and don't complain. And if they do, an employer can fire them and
get replacements easily.
Unions do go too far sometimes. I think there has to be a balance of power
between unions and management: when management gets too much power, the
employees get screwed, and when the unions get too much power, productivity
suffers and the employers get screwed.
- badenov
Everywhere Man
Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Everywhere Man said:
>
> >Unions demand breaks, benefits, holidays, wages, etc. The only thing
> >unions don't demand is productivity.
> >Business owners here have been held hostage by unions and if the
> >opportunity to circumvent unions is available then that road will
> >likely be travelled. Bus drivers earning $80,000 per year is vile.
> >I recall a recent thread where you discussed what you expected from an
> >employer as an alarm installer. You want a 40hr work week, company
> >vehicle, overtime, health, dental, life, etc.
>
> The reason unions exist is that some employers are out to screw their
> employees so they can put more dollars in their own pockets. Maybe not
> you, but some employers are definitely like that. <
And now the reason unions exist is to screw the company & consumer.
Bring back the sweatshops
> God damn those greedy employees for wanting things like overtime and health
> care! How the hell is the company owner supposed to afford his new
> Mercedes if he has to pay for crap like that? <
You can say that again.
> Why is there a minimum wage? Because some employers would like to pay
> their employees less. <
If someone was selling ten dollar bills for a dollar fifty would you
buy the entire inventory or would you demand to pay ten bucks each? Why
expect me to refuse a job to someone who asks for $3.00 an hour?
> Why do businesses hire wetbacks? Because they work
> cheap and don't complain. And if they do, an employer can fire them and
> get replacements easily. <
They all answer to whatever name you call them, and if one gets hurt on
a jobsite you can just say he was trespassing and fell when he tried
running away from INS.
> Unions do go too far sometimes. I think there has to be a balance of power
> between unions and management: when management gets too much power, the
> employees get screwed, and when the unions get too much power, productivity
> suffers and the employers get screwed. <
Weren't you a Local 3 rowdy, and why the hell weren't you at Javitz on
Tuesday?
Between you and the other old bastard from NY no showing I'm about YAY
close to calling Access A Ride and cancelling your passes.
Doug
Doug
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"Everywhere Man" <alarmi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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G. Morgan
wrote:
>They all answer to whatever name you call them, and if one gets hurt on
>a jobsite you can just say he was trespassing and fell when he tried
>running away from INS.
I'm glad I waited to come back from the store for my reply to the
other message.
Now I don't have to.
Roland Moore
I remember in a Star Trek movie the Spock character said only Nixon could go
to China. I have no idea what future generations will think of Nixon but as
I recall by the time he left office most people were hoping he'd find a
place a lot deeper and much hotter.news:2b15k25u4ii8clqcr...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:56:32 -0700, "alarman" <alarm...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Yeah. It's too late though. Not enough men in government now. I don't mind
>>that they're crooks so much, I just wish that they had some balls.
>>
>>Who said this:
>>"If I had inherited the mess that Johnson got into, I would have said to
>>North Vietnam, by dropping leaflets out of B-52s, 'You quit the war in
>>three
>>days or the next time these babies come over they're going to drop some
>>big
>>bombs on you.' And I'd make a swamp out of North Vietnam ... I'd rather
>>kill
>>a hell of a lot of North Vietnamese than one American and we've lost
>>enough
>>of them,"
>>
>>and this:
>> "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it
>> more
>>efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote
>>welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but
>>to
>>repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones
>>that do violence to the Constitution or that have failed their purpose, or
>>that impose on the people an unwarranted financial burden. I will not
>>attempt to discover whether legislation is ``needed'' before I have first
>>determined whether it is constitutionally permissible. And if I should
>>later
>>be attacked for neglecting my constituents "interests,'' I shall reply
>>that
>>I was informed that their main interest is liberty and that in that cause
>>I
>>am doing the very best I can."
>>
>>and of course:
>>"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice!
>>And
>>let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no
>>virtue."
>
> Wow, I didn't know that about Goldwater. Wouldn't have mattered as I
> wasn't born yet.
>
>
>>I wonder where we would be if he had been elected president in 1964
>>instead
>>of LBJ.
>
> That's a damn good question. I've always looked back at Johnson's
> presidency as a complete failure and a crucial turning point for our
> country. Of course Nixon was no better.
G. Morgan
wrote:
>
>If LBJ flew it to the left, then Nixon flew it into the ground.
>I remember in a Star Trek movie the Spock character said only Nixon could go
>to China. I have no idea what future generations will think of Nixon but as
>I recall by the time he left office most people were hoping he'd find a
>place a lot deeper and much hotter.
I know you're in TX.
Let's get together, you're a fuckin' riot!
Email me you dickhead
Jim
Everywhere Man wrote:
>
> #1- The Nextel/Sprint customer base is GLOBAL
>
> #2- Your state was originally Mexico so you are the descendant of
> immigrants.
>
> #3- Regardless of what language people speak they still spend money. My
> family came to America in 1906, and didn't speak English right off the
> boat. It took years. My great-grandmother never spoke English. Should
> they have shipped her back, and just my grandmother, aunts, and uncles
> (who were kids at that time) to fend for themselves?
> Graham, I am so Conservative I make Sean Hannity seem like Ted Kennedy,
> but conservatism does not mean discrimination. Conservatism does not
> mean English only need apply. It takes most immigrants a generation to
> adapt to America.
> Border jumping infuriates me to all ends of the earth but not because
> they don't speak my language. Unions and people who expect union wages
> are to blame. I am out the door now but when I come back I will expand
> on it.
>
The difference is, Your parents learned English and were assimilated
into the
culture of this country. The present day Hispanics will take two, three
or more
generations to learn English if they can push two to hear it in Spanish
.... if the
kids are taught in school in Spanish. If they can get their bills in
Spanish. If all
the signs are written in Spanish. The longer they take to be
assimilated into
the culture the more the culture that they came here to live in will be
the very
culture they wanted to get away from.
Even with past immigrants, who came here, it took at least a generation
for
them to learn English and a number of more generations to be accepted
by
the culture. How long did it take for the Irish and Italians to be
integrated
and accepted? Three? Four? Five generations? And there are still hard
core prejudices today.
The Hispanics want to come here and enjoy our prosperity compared to
where they live now. Our nation has always prided itself on welcoming
people
from other countries and cultures .... but it was with the intention
that they
embrace our culture and become part of the melting pot that has helped
make our country what it is, not to isolate themselves from it.
By allowing them the option of not speaking english, it will change our
culture (in the Hispanics case it's mainly because of the mere masses
that
they have been illeagally allowed to populate this country) and it
will segragate
and keep them out of the main stream of our society, set them up to be
second
class citizens which will actually limit their ability to achieve the
prosperity they
came here for.
The way it is now, they want every thing they had in their native
country but
they want it with all the benefits.... by living off of the people
who've lived,
worked and cultivated this culture for generations.If they had to go
through the
process of integration over a generation or two .... thats the price
they have to
pay .... and they'd pay it for their children just like your parents
did.But, because
of the liberal, far left do-gooders and organizaions like theCommunist
ACLU,
who think that Freedom is free to anyone who says they want to come
here,
they''ve been led to believe that it's their right to be here and have
what it's taken
other immigrants who came here LEGALLY ...generations to achieve and
that
they can have it ..... NOW!
Everywhere Man
Nice to see you today Mr. No Show at the Alarm Show. I swear if you
tell me another vacation story I'll crap in your milkbox.
European immigrants didn't have huge hurdles to clear to enter the U.S.
A stop at Ellis Island and off they went. Imagine if we had stopped
the flow of Europeans like we are trying to stop the flow of Mexicans
and South Americans.
European immigrants were also a huge drain on this nation's economy.
One need only think of the NY gangs extorting businesses as one
example. Many European immigrants didn't speak English and didn't allow
their kids to complete school. European immigrants were heralded for
overcoming the same adversities that Mexican immigrants are being
chastised for.
Open more immigration hubs like Ellis Island so we can track who is
coming in. I'd hate to think we might turn away a child who could one
day grow up to be a scientist finding a cure for cancer, or some other
miraculous discovery because his parents escaped here.
All of these so-called "patriots" have lost sight of the very
foundation of America. They're just bitching for the sake of bitching.
Even the fact they get paid off the books doesn't mean they don't
contribute. The business owner paying them off the books still has to
claim the money he pays them as his own income and that is taxable.
When they shop in our stores they pay sales tax. They are not this
gigantic drain on the economy these numbnut hillbillies accuse them of
being.
They want to end the politically correct talk and shoot straight? OK
let's do it.
The same fuckwad southerners whining about Mexicans stealing their jobs
are the same ones who bitched about how Israel and jews control
America, blacks getting everything from the government, and asians are
all sneaky.
They are for the most part extremely uneducated trailer park wackjobs
who buy David Allen Coe albums, talk about being saved by Jesus, send
10% of their money to bullshit preachers, spend more money on firearms
than they do on furniture, and think the corner Aye Rab is plotting to
bomb their town's Piggly Wiggly. Love thy neighbor only applies if the
neighbor is a cousin. They are the first ones to preach "the Lord's
word" asking if you believe in Jesus Christ and Believer's Baptism yet
don't practice the religious nonsense they babble.
You can't call them racist because they are too fucking stupid to know
what racist means, and you can't say they are losing jobs to Mexicans
when they had no damn job BEFORE the border jumpers arrived. Let them
stand at the border with their guns. At least it will keep them off the
barstools.
-They came here for several centuries for the same reasons - freedom
and hope -- and then a Frenchman created a statue that embodied their
hopes and dreams. And it embodied America's promise as well.-
"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be
free..."
THE STATUE OF LIBERTY
Yes they should learn English but I'm not going to alienate the wallets
of those who don't.
Our city would be a mess if we didn't have them wouldn't it?
Nomen Nescio
>Funny how you say survival of the fittest yet you're
>bitching because the Mexicans are making it hard for you to survive.
>Outbid them. Work harder than them. Give an employer a reason to choose
>you. It's a free market society and you can't stand that your price has
>been beat.
Oh great. First, the wetbacks invade our country. Now, we're supposed to
work cheaper than they do? God bless the free enterprise system, where
everybody enjoys really low prices because the workers get paid five bucks
an hour. Hell, that doesn't even pay for English lessons.
>> Overtime is not a union rule, it's based on state law. It's meant to
>> keep tyrants like yourself from exploiting workers. <
>
>State law for hourly wage employees. I pay a salary and if they don't
>like what I pay or where they work they have the right to vacate the
>job.
Oh, man, are you asking to get nailed to the cross. You don't have the
right to pay installers a salary. Federal and state law says that type of
employee is entitled to overtime pay. Many big companies have been caught
recently trying to claim their manual laborers are actually managers, and
therefore exempt from overtime. The penalties include back pay for all the
hours you didn't pay them for, plus the back payroll taxes you didn't pay
on those wages. Plus penalties and interest, of course.
>He will not be attending college and YES he will sweep floors. College
>is for people who want to hide from reality. He will learn what it
>takes to make it in this world. He will break his ass just like his
>father does on a daily basis so he doesn't turn out to be a half-wit or
>nimrod that has trouble holding a job and blames Mexican labor and
>everyone else but himself for it.
After which, he'll inherit Daddy's business, and live happily ever after.
>What you expect your dad to do if he had no other means, Graham? Would
>he cross the border to feed you or let you starve to death so he
>doesn't offend ignorant people?
I don't blame the wetbacks for coming here. If I were a Mexican, I'd be a
wetback, too. I blame us for letting them in.
The real problem is greedy bastards who are willing to hire the cheapest
non-speaking aliens they can find, at the lowest wages they can pay, all to
put a few extra dollars in their own pockets. Take care of the Americans
first! Then, and only then, do you start importing wetbacks.
Look at the long-term consequences of illegal immigration from Mexico. We
get cheap labor now, and fruit prices remain low. But in the long run, we
are importing a bunch of poor, unskilled people, who breed like rabbits.
We will eventually become a third world country. This is not about
accepting a relatively small number of skilled immigrants who want to
assimilate into our society. This is about being invaded by an army of the
poor, whose children automatically become citizens. America is changing,
folks, and it won't be for the better.
- badenov
Mark Leuck
>
> Open more immigration hubs like Ellis Island so we can track who is
> coming in. I'd hate to think we might turn away a child who could one
> day grow up to be a scientist finding a cure for cancer, or some other
> miraculous discovery because his parents escaped here.
Wow that one's right out of the RLB "If it helps just one child" playbook
Tom, using that logic lets just let em all in
Roland Moore
my attention has been focused on some of these issues posted here. Rather
than guess about salary issues it is easy to go to the DOL web site and see
the whole video from Secretary of Labor Elaine L. Chao. It is clear that
folks making less than $23,660 per year or $455.00 per week are "guaranteed"
overtime protection.
http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/whd/fairpay/main.htm
There are other rules that apply to folks making less than that amount to
see if they past the "salary" test. Unless you know his pay structure I
don't think you can make a blanket statement about what his liability might
be if any. There may be conflicting state laws to contend with as well.
Unless you are willing to try and parse out a statement like the one below
off the same site I wouldn't even pretend to know what "findings" might be
made.
Multiple regression analysis is a statistical tool for understanding the
relationship between two or more variables. Multiple regression involves a
variable to be explained - called the dependent variable - and additional
explanatory variables that are thought to produce or be associated with
changes in the dependent variable. For example, a multiple regression
analysis might estimate the effect of the number of years of work on salary.
Salary would be the dependent variable to be explained; years of experience
would be the explanatory variable. Multiple regression analysis is sometimes
well suited to the analysis of data about competing theories in which there
are several possible explanations for the relationship among a number of
explanatory variables. Multiple regression typically uses a single dependent
variable and several explanatory variables to assess the statistical data
pertinent to these theories. In a case alleging sex discrimination in
salaries, for example, a multiple regression analysis would examine not only
sex, but also other explanatory variables of interest, such as education and
experience. The employer-defendant might use multiple regression to argue
that salary is a function of the employee's education and experience, and
the employee-plaintiff might argue that salary is also a function of the
individual's sex.
All of this to protect the little guy? I think this is just another
federally sponsored attorney enrichment program.
"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
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Doug
for plain English.
Doug
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Petem
"Everywhere Man" <alarmi...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>
>The rest of this country should learn to speak French because we've
>just like the lazy frog bastards.
well if the french speaking poeple are such a bunch of lazy frog bastard's
tell me why they are the only country that can send sattelite in orbit with
better result thent the american..? tell be why they produce great airplane?
tell me why they have a pretty decent army?
if france would have 1/2 of the country you have,they would beat you just by
farting after taking a good lunch of good wine and cheese..
speaking od wine,why did they produce wine for the last 300 years that were
thw best in the world?they were the one that developed the know how on wich
your country trive to produce your wine...
Stop being a damn stupid racist ass hole,your not that best in the world on
all count,maybe you were said so,to help raise the spririt,for all your
wars...but start looking over your shoulder,since Reagan you came from being
the biggest money loner contry,to that one asking the most...
be carefull the wall is comming fast...
Everywhere Man
Petem wrote:
> "Everywhere Man" <alarmi...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 1162077009.7...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >The rest of this country should learn to speak French because we've
> >just like the lazy frog bastards.
>
> well if the french speaking poeple are such a bunch of lazy frog bastard's
> tell me why they are the only country that can send sattelite in orbit with
> better result thent the american..? tell be why they produce great airplane?
> tell me why they have a pretty decent army?<
Yes the French army is the best in the world........... at RETREATING
> if france would have 1/2 of the country you have,they would beat you just by
> farting after taking a good lunch of good wine and cheese..<
France did have close to half of this country. They must need another
opportunity because last time they didn't do much with it.
> speaking od wine,why did they produce wine for the last 300 years that were
> thw best in the world?they were the one that developed the know how on wich
> your country trive to produce your wine... <
Ok so they are professional drunks. Another feather in the cap.
> Stop being a damn stupid racist ass hole,your not that best in the world on
> all count,maybe you were said so,to help raise the spririt,for all your
> wars...but start looking over your shoulder,since Reagan you came from being
> the biggest money loner contry,to that one asking the most...
> be carefull the wall is comming fast...<
How can a pro-American be a racist when America is made up of all
races?
You live in Canada, not France. Quebec is in Canada. I know you folks
in Montreal get confused about your geographical location but trust me
you are in North America.
Everywhere Man
Well speaking of playbooks why is it that the people of the south crow
so loudly about Christianity and send "missionaries" to 3rd world
countries, but when one of those 3rd worlders pops up in their
neighborhood they want police involvement?
How many of those minutemen hillbillies were in church today?
I don't like people at all so don't think I have a warm and fuzzy
feeling wishing I had more neighbors. I run a business, and if the
labor market here is void of decent production then open the flood
gates and send me people who want to work.
This country was founded by foreigners. At what point did we decide who
was legal and who wasn't?
Since southerners believe in that survival of the fittest thing and the
Love thy neighbor stuff they should be up for the challenge. They can
pretend it's a survivor type reality show created by 3 TV stations. The
Outdoor Channel, SPEED, and CBN.
Robert L Bass
> and were assimilated into the culture of this
> country. The present day Hispanics will take two,
> three or more generations to learn English if they
> can push two to hear it in Spanish .... if the kids
What difference does that make to you? If it takes them longer to learn the language that's their problem. If some business
decides to make its phone system easier for Hispanic people to use, that's their decision. It takes nothing away from you.
> If they can get their bills in Spanish. If all the
> signs are written in Spanish. The longer they
> take to be assimilated into the culture the
> more the culture that they came here to live in
> will be the very culture they wanted to get away
> from.
That's just plain ignorant. Most immigrants don't come here to escape their own culture. They come for opportunity and freedom.
They bring their culture with them and, in many ways, improve things along the way. What a boring place this would be if we were
all the same.
> ... And there are still hard core prejudices today.
Frequently expressed right here in ASA.
> The Hispanics want to come here and enjoy
> our prosperity compared to where they live
> now. Our nation has always prided itself on
> welcoming people from other countries and
> cultures .... but it was with the intention that
> they embrace our culture and become part
> of the melting pot that has helped make our
> country what it is, not to isolate themselves
> from it.
Becoming part of the "melting pot" does not mean abandoning one's heritage -- or one's language. My wife's family and many of our
friends are Brazilian. They all try to learn English as quickly as they're able. Some are more adept at learning a new language
than others. School kids learn very quickly but partents, especially those whose jobs are with other Brazilians, ave a much harder
time. All of them get to partake of the opportunity and the culture of America in many ways.
What they bring with them is their own cultural heritage and their own language. By learning Portuguese (well, trying to anyway)
I've been able to enjoy a more direct contact and better personal relationships with many friends and associates in Brazil. I live
there for several months every year. But I make no pretense of abandoning my American culture and no one expects me to do so.
> By allowing them the option of not speaking
> english, it will change our culture...
Nonsense! Your "culture" will not be change by the presence of non-English speaking people in this country. There will simply
always be some people whose conversations are a mystery to you if you don't bother to learn Spanish. That's your problem and it's
not their obligation to help you out.
> The way it is now, they want every thing they
> had in their native country...
Heh, for many that is close to nothing at all. I've visited the barios of Mexico city and the favelas of Brazil. You cannot
imagine the poverty and despair.
> but they want it with all the benefits.... by living
> off of the people who've lived, worked and
> cultivated this culture for generations...
Wrong again. Most want only to work and try to earn a living, just like everyone else who ever came here -- including your
ancestors.
> If they had to go through the process of integration
> over a generation or two .... thats the price they have
> to pay ....
The price they pay is the same as your progenetors. They usually have to take menial jobs until they get established. Dishonest
businessmen take advantage of them. Some suffer personal discrimination. Most somehow get by, doing whatever it takes to feed
their familes and trying to live the "American dream".
> But, because of the liberal, far left do-gooders and
> organizaions like theCommunist ACLU, who think
> that Freedom is free to anyone who says they want
> to come here...
You mean it's not?
alarman
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>> be carefull the wall is comming fast...
We hold the wall up. If it falls, it will fall on you too.
js
(PeteCresswell)
>What difference does that make to you? If it takes them longer to learn the language that's their problem.
Up to a point.... but part of what makes the USA a better place to live is that
we share a common language - which enables us to share more of a common culture.
To the extent that large numbers of people fail to learn that language and have
children who also fail, part of the very thing that brought them here is being
undermined.
--
PeteCresswell
Robert L Bass
>> If it takes them longer to learn the language
>> that's their problem.
>
> Up to a point.... but part of what makes the
> USA a better place to live is that we share
> a common language - which enables us to
Have you ever watched a Down Easter try to talk to a Texan? :^)
> To the extent that large numbers of people
> fail to learn that language and have children
> who also fail, part of the very thing that
> brought them here is being undermined.
I disagree. First of all, children almost invariably learn English in a matter of months. For example, my two nephews came here
about 8 years ago. Neither one spoke more than a few words of English. The older one graduated from high school four years later
with high honors. The younger one graduated with numerous medals for sports, academic and personal achievements. He was also named
homecoming king even though he made no effort to "run" for it. The older boy is now an electrical engineer working for a large, US
company. The younger one is studying computer engineering. Both of them also ran their own PC and network repair business while in
high school. Their mother is an English professor but their dad, who still commutes from Brazil twice every month, has more
difficulty with English.
This family is not very different from most of the Brazilian families I've come to know in Florida. Parents whose jobs expose them
to English learn the language in a reasonable time. Children learn to speak, often without even a trace of their old accent, in a
short time. Parents whose work and social circles are limited, whether by choice or happenstance, have greater difficulty.
Where we really differ on this is in your belief that the existence of non-English speaking minorities somehow harms the rest of us.
IMO it only makes their experience more difficult. Unfortunately, there is no 100% effective solution to the problem. There will
always be immigrants -- legal and illegal. Most are just trying to make a better life for themselves. Many contribute to our
economy and many of them do great things in and for their adopted country.
The biggest hindrance many of these people face isn't the language. Racial prejudice, political games and crooked business owners
are their worst enemies. These are the same people and forces which made your and my ancestors' lives difficult when they arrived
here. We should be fighting against them and not with them against immigrants.
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
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Petem
Petem wrote:
>> "Everywhere Man" <alarmi...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
>> 1162077009.7...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> >The rest of this country should learn to speak French because we've
>> >just like the lazy frog bastards.
>>
>> well if the french speaking poeple are such a bunch of lazy frog
>> bastard's
>> tell me why they are the only country that can send sattelite in orbit
>> with
>> better result thent the american..? tell be why they produce great
>> airplane?
>> tell me why they have a pretty decent army?<
>
>Yes the French army is the best in the world........... at RETREATING
have you try them lately?
>> if france would have 1/2 of the country you have,they would beat you just
>> by
>> farting after taking a good lunch of good wine and cheese..<
>
>France did have close to half of this country. They must need another
>opportunity because last time they didn't do much with it.
yup they did put a good base for you to build on...
>> speaking od wine,why did they produce wine for the last 300 years that
>> were
>> thw best in the world?they were the one that developed the know how on
>> wich
>> your country trive to produce your wine... <
>
>Ok so they are professional drunks. Another feather in the cap.
If you cant make the difference between making great high quality
product,and getting drunk from frelated alcool...fine with me,that would
explaina lot of the nonsens i,ve been reading from you...
>> Stop being a damn stupid racist ass hole,your not that best in the world
>> on
>> all count,maybe you were said so,to help raise the spririt,for all your
>> wars...but start looking over your shoulder,since Reagan you came from
>> being
>> the biggest money loner contry,to that one asking the most...
>> be carefull the wall is comming fast...<
>
>How can a pro-American be a racist when America is made up of all
>races?
>You live in Canada, not France. Quebec is in Canada. I know you folks
>in Montreal get confused about your geographical location but trust me
>you are in North America.
Yup.i know i am in NA, but i know my roots, i am the 10th generation
here,and i am prood that i helped make 2 more generation..
But the thing that made me react is that you stated that we french speaking
poeple are a bunch of lazy bastard,well let me tell you,if thats not being a
racist i wonder what it can be called?its at a minum zenophobic...
and lets not forget that the kings that ruled the country of your
founder,most speaked french,Richard Lion Heart come to mind just like
that...
Petem
"(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Here it take usually 3 generation before they start being like the rest of
us..
having a lot of emigration,that make alot of non English speaking people..
some will integrate in 2 generation,but most don't
Petem
"alarman" <alarm...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
ez81h.5287$Xe6....@newsfe15.phx...
Not so sure about that..
of course there will be some tremors,and some dust will come our way,but
economically we still have other "client"
alarman
Heh, then you are a much bigger fool that I originally thought you were.
js
Petem
don't you think the fool is the one that think the world is revolving around
itself?
alarman
> don't you think the fool is the one that think the world is revolving
> around itself?
?
js
Petem
country then just yours...was that simple enough?
don't forget that Canada is the 3rd biggest producer of petrol?
we do have resource,wish will still worth something even if you go in
recession,and a country is buying a lot of those resource..its
name..China....
if you don't buy,they will of course they will pay less cause there will be
less demand..but still there will be business,and when there is money to do
,we don't care to who we sell the stuff..
p.s. china is close to pass the USA as the country we export the most....too
bad you didn't knew that...
alarman
> ok in plain text..the world is not only the USA..we deal with much more
> country then just yours...was that simple enough?
> don't forget that Canada is the 3rd biggest producer of petrol?
> we do have resource,wish will still worth something even if you go in
> recession,and a country is buying a lot of those resource..its
> name..China....
>
> if you don't buy,they will of course they will pay less cause there will
> be less demand..but still there will be business,and when there is money
> to do ,we don't care to who we sell the stuff..
>
> p.s. china is close to pass the USA as the country we export the
> most....too bad you didn't knew that...
Wow. You're dumber than I thought.
js
Jim
> Hey Jim.
> Nice to see you today Mr. No Show at the Alarm Show. I swear if you
> tell me another vacation story I'll crap in your milkbox.
Milk box? You're too young to have ever seen a milk box.
>
> European immigrants didn't have huge hurdles to clear to enter the U.S.
> A stop at Ellis Island and off they went. Imagine if we had stopped
> the flow of Europeans like we are trying to stop the flow of Mexicans
> and South Americans.
I don't want to STOP immigration. Just restrain it to acceptable and
tolerable quantities. It's the CULTURE that's being distorted because
of
it. You seem to think that what they are doing is ok .... IT's
ILLEGAL.!!!
And it's distorting the culture of this country. They're coming into
this
country with out any restrictions. Look as the
quantity of illegals in prison. Look at how schools can't teach the
kids
because because there arent enough teachers and because the kids
can't speak English because only the legal citizens are the only ones
paying the way for all the illegal kids. Look at how the hospitals are
closing because they have to give free everything to people who
haven't and don't contributed to the tax structure. How can this be
good for them OR for us?
> European immigrants were also a huge drain on this nation's economy.
Sure they were. Doesn't that tell you something? DON'T DO THAT?
> One need only think of the NY gangs extorting businesses as one
> example. Many European immigrants didn't speak English and didn't allow
> their kids to complete school. European immigrants were heralded for
> overcoming the same adversities that Mexican immigrants are being
> chastised for.
That's bullshit and you know it. Sure ...the Europeans came here and
worked their asses off for a couple of generations. But they did it
legally,
paying their way and contributing to our financial and cultural basis.
and came in controlled numbers. The difference now is that in our
permissive society the Mexicans and South Americans unfortunately
have the backing of the ACLU, and all the liberal swill from Hollywood.
And in addition, people like you who think more of themselves than
what the long term effects of having a great influx of people from
other
cultures swarming uncontrolably into this county. Read your history
man!
Just about every great nation, just before it's fall either allowed or
didn't
control a great flood of another culture into it's boarders. A country
just
can't do that and expect that it's culture will survive. And without
it's
culture what is a nation? ANOTHER NATION!
We've got something that is unique in history in this nation. It's
absolutely
amazing to me, that we've come to the point where we're letting our
belief in freedom destroy us.
> Open more immigration hubs like Ellis Island so we can track who is
> coming in.
Oh? are you talking about doing it legally now? Control the kind of
people
that come here? The quantity? How unique!!!!!
> I'd hate to think we might turn away a child who could one
> day grow up to be a scientist finding a cure for cancer, or some other
> miraculous discovery because his parents escaped here.
Oh gimmie a fucking break. Sure. And that same person might
be some Aye Rab, coming across the boarder with a suitcase
full of botulism to put in the NY reservoir.
> All of these so-called "patriots" have lost sight of the very
> foundation of America. They're just bitching for the sake of bitching.
> Even the fact they get paid off the books doesn't mean they don't
> contribute. The business owner paying them off the books still has to
> claim the money he pays them as his own income and that is taxable.
> When they shop in our stores they pay sales tax. They are not this
> gigantic drain on the economy these numbnut hillbillies accuse them of
> being.
Who the hell do you think is paying for their Social Security, welfare,
their medical and education? I AM! And I don't want to do that.
It's wrong and they don't deserve to get for free what I've worked a
lifetime for.
> They want to end the politically correct talk and shoot straight? OK
> let's do it.
Yeah lets do it. Who the hell ever said that it's alright for someone
who
has never contributed a damn thing to this country to come here and
take, without giving anything back .... what I've worked a lifetime to
help
build?
If it wasn't for the fucking
"politically correct" assholes who think that everyone "DESERVES" to
come to this country and not pay a price. How about that ACLU?
(Did you know that the ACLU was based on a communistic and gay
rights foundation? How's that for a combination?) If it wasn't for
all the
Hollywood
rich pricks who think they know how to run a country but can't run
they're
own fucking lives. If it wasn't for all the chicken shit politicians
who think
more of getting the Hispanic vote than the betterment or our country,
we wouldn't even be in this position now. If it wasn't for the fucking
conservitives who didn't see this coming.
This was ignored for years and
years and now that it's gotten to the state it's in now, everyone is
crying about how we cant' turn poor people away from coming here, if
they want to. WHY THE FUCK NOT? So what are we going to do
not turn hundreds of thousands of people away simply because they
want to come here? If the want to come here so fucking bad, let them
go through what every other generation of people has gone through.
What the fuck makes THEM so different from every other ethnic
group that has come here? This is OUR fault, not theirs. but dammit
enough is enough. It's got to end or there'll not be an Amercia that
anyone will want to come to
> The same fuckwad southerners whining about Mexicans stealing their jobs
> are the same ones who bitched about how Israel and jews control
> America, blacks getting everything from the government, and asians are
> all sneaky.
> They are for the most part extremely uneducated trailer park wackjobs
> who buy David Allen Coe albums, talk about being saved by Jesus, send
> 10% of their money to bullshit preachers, spend more money on firearms
> than they do on furniture, and think the corner Aye Rab is plotting to
> bomb their town's Piggly Wiggly. Love thy neighbor only applies if the
> neighbor is a cousin. They are the first ones to preach "the Lord's
> word" asking if you believe in Jesus Christ and Believer's Baptism yet
> don't practice the religious nonsense they babble.
> You can't call them racist because they are too fucking stupid to know
> what racist means, and you can't say they are losing jobs to Mexicans
> when they had no damn job BEFORE the border jumpers arrived. Let them
> stand at the border with their guns. At least it will keep them off the
> barstools.
And I hope they kill as many of these fucking wetbacks in the process.
A few well placed land mines ought to do the trick.
When they come around to the front door of this country, knock and ask
if they can come in and contribute, instead of sucking money in
services
that I'VE paid for and sending their paycheck back to Mexico to support
that mismanaged bandit country .... then I'll feel different.
>
> -They came here for several centuries for the same reasons - freedom
> and hope -- and then a Frenchman created a statue that embodied their
> hopes and dreams. And it embodied America's promise as well.-
>
> "Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be
> free..."
> THE STATUE OF LIBERTY
>
>
I don't see anywhere on that statue where it says ....HEY, Come
and get your free pass, free medical, free education, no taxes,
continue to speak your language cus well learn to speak yours
and you can send as much money back to your poor economic country
at our expense, and you can picket and lobby for everything you want
and get it, because you deserve it ..... and we don't even have to
know what your name is. Bullshit!
> Yes they should learn English but I'm not going to alienate the wallets
> of those who don't.
You seem to think that if these people weren't here that there would
be jobs that would go unfilled. You're wrong. I mean, just think about
it. Every one says that Amercans wont work for the low wages that
the illegals work for. So what do you think .... that the cabbage
growers wouldn't get someone else to do it if the illegals weren't
here? So you think they'd simply go out of business and stop
growing cabbage? Yeah sure. What would YOU do? You'd go
out and get the cheapest labor you could and then you'd adjust
your price to what ever it took to keep your business growing.
And so would every other cabbage grower.And the public would
pay the price. So don't give me that shit
about these illegals supporting the economy. This is just the
way a capitalistic society works. No big fucking mystery. You
charge and pay what the market will bear. How many times have
you paid double the price for coffee or orange juice because of a labor
or weather problem? How about gas prices? The economy will
take care of itself, without having to make up false claims
about how illegals help the economy. That's just making another
excuse for the previous excuse for making the mistake of letting
them into this country illegally in the first place.
> Our city would be a mess if we didn't have them wouldn't it?
I have to disagree with you there also. Everyplace that I've gone,
that they predomintate, they've compeletly trashed the area.
There's garbage everywhere,
trash litters the areas. They treat it just the way they lived back
where they came from. That's just the way they lived where they
were and they're used to it being that way. It's not because they're
bad people .... they just don't know any better. But they continue
to do this and the reason why? Because they are not being
assimilated into the culture. Where ever they are, since they
don't have to learn to speak English, they're isolated in their
surroundings and can't get services or goods that they need
out side of their isolated communities.They're isolated and are
doing the very same things they did where they came from.
So how is this helping them? How is this helping the nation and
the economy?THIS is just a small sample of and example of how
a mass uncontroled influx of another culture can cause the decline
of an town, a city, of a nation.
There's no reason to keep people of other countries and ethnicity
from coming into our country because that diversity IS our nation.
But it absolutely HAS to be controlled. Otherwise our culture and
all the things that have brought this nation to bear, will be lost in
generations to come.
Everywhere Man
Petem
too bad you just don't see the reality of it all...USA is not the economical
force it used to be,the world is changing very fast...
the dragon is waking up,and it is just starting to move around..
Robert L Bass
No one cares what you want.
> It's the CULTURE that's being distorted because
> of it...
You speaking about culture is the equivalent of George W Bush speaking about a Mensa meeting.
> Look as the quantity of illegals in prison.
> Look at how schools can't teach the
> kids because because there arent enough
> teachers and because the kids can't speak
> English...
The real problem with schools is two-fold. First, educational funding has been seriously undermined by the Bush adminiwstration.
Second, local and state departments of education waste much of the resources they do have.
> Look at how the hospitals are closing
> because they have to give free everything
> to people who haven't and don't contributed
> to the tax structure. How can this be good
> for them OR for us?
Hospitals in this country are big business. Whiloe the hospitals "lose money" every year, the inner medical etite that run them
rake in multi-million dollar salaries.
>> European immigrants were also a huge
>> drain on this nation's economy.
>
> Sure they were. Doesn't that tell you something?
> DON'T DO THAT?
No, dummy. It says give them the same chance that your progenetors had so they can become part of this country as well. In a word,
kwitchabitchinandshaddup!
G. Morgan
<rober...@comcast.net> wrote:
> ... undermined by the Bush adminiwstration.
Sufferin' succotash! I did taw a puddy tat!
G. Morgan
wrote:
>
>G. Morgan wrote:
>> On 28 Oct 2006 16:10:09 -0700, "Everywhere Man" <alarmi...@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >But the Mexican families that DIDN'T move after the war should suddenly
>> >change their lifestyle to suit ours? Let me see if I can understand
>> >this. If Red China conquers the U.S. we should all start speaking
>> >Chinese? Should all signs in english be removed from stores, airports,
>> >hospitals, etc in non-english speaking countries?
>> >When Texas was part of Mexico did the American immigrants assimilate to
>> >Mexican lifestyles or did they revolt? Did all Americans legally enter
>> >Mexico in the 1800's or did Mexico get flooded with Americans entering
>> >their sovereign nation, taking their land, taking their money, and
>> >sending it back to family in the States? Pot, kettle, black.
>>
>> Oh come on Tom... This happened 5 generations ago. The US took the
>> land and that is that. You act like Manifest Destiny is a bad thing.
>> It's survival of the fittest, and it's been going on for 25,000 years.
>> When a land is taken the people are assimilated. <
>
>Well apparently your state has been reoccupied by Mexico so it's time
>for you to assimilate or join a militia. I'll send you some pinatas for
>the celebration.
Thanks, I'll pass on the pinata. Send ammunition.
>Funny how you say survival of the fittest yet you're
>bitching because the Mexicans are making it hard for you to survive.
Where was I bitching about them making it hard for me to survive?
>Outbid them. Work harder than them. Give an employer a reason to choose
>you. It's a free market society and you can't stand that your price has
>been beat. Maybe you should change your saying to survival of the
>liberals.
Fortunately, no illegal can compete with me legally. As for the other
wetbacks, they can't compete for the very reasons I outlined.
This ain't about just me Tom. It's about preserving what's left of
American culture, it's about saving the economy, it's about stopping
drug trafficking, it's about ruining neighborhoods, it's about
stopping crime.
>> Yes, after a war the
>> next generation of survivors are expected to assimilate. You
>> mentioned the Native Americans not being the original inhabitants of
>> present day USA, (which I have not been able to verify), since you
>> claim that they came from the Aleutian Islands (which is not in Asia
>> BTW) why don't you speak Aleut? <
>
>Came THROUGH the Aleutian Islands from Asia. They didn't swim.
>Native American/Eskimo ancestry can be traced back to the Mongol
>tribes.
That's not what you wrote.
>> >Now where unions come into play regarding today's immigration issue is
>> >simple.
>> >Union employees are lazy and drive the up the cost of living with their
>> >charity compensation packages.
>> >Unions demand breaks, benefits, holidays, wages, etc. The only thing
>> >unions don't demand is productivity.
>> >Business owners here have been held hostage by unions and if the
>> >opportunity to circumvent unions is available then that road will
>> >likely be travelled. Bus drivers earning $80,000 per year is vile.
>> >I recall a recent thread where you discussed what you expected from an
>> >employer as an alarm installer. You want a 40hr work week, company
>> >vehicle, overtime, health, dental, life, etc.
>>
>> <snip the rest of the tirade>
>>
>> Tom, this is really very simple, and it's not just a union thing -
>> it's employer vs. employee. <
>
>The union work mentality is to blame.
No Tom, reality is to blame.
>
>> When I choose to go to work for someone I am pretty much giving up any
>> hope of getting rich. In exchange for my loyalty, you have to agree
>> to pay a comfortable wage - and provide benefits that are necessary
>> for everyday living. <
>
>Your loyalty? Nonsense! We are in an industry of job jumpers. Loyal to
>what suits you is more like it.
>As the employer I don't have to agree to diddly. Problem with employers
>is they think they have to beg people to work. Shit if the employee was
>any good in the first place he wouldn't be out looking for a job,
>unless he relocated or a company went under.
>
I get the feeling you think you are doing the employee a favor by
allowing him to shovel shit for you. You got it backwards, count
yourself lucky if you can find some willing to put up with your brand
of tyranny.
It's a two-way street, a symbiotic relationship. If one thinks he is
better than the other, the relationship won't work.
>
>> Overtime is not a union rule, it's based on state law. It's meant to
>> keep tyrants like yourself from exploiting workers. <
>
>State law for hourly wage employees. I pay a salary and if they don't
>like what I pay or where they work they have the right to vacate the
>job.
I have a funny feeling I wouldn't like your terms. Times are a
changin' bud, you better start getting some respect for those that do
your dirty work.
>
>> Why shouldn't you provide a company vehicle? I'm driving to YOUR
>> jobsite. From what I understand, parking in your city at the jobsite
>> would cost me a half-days wage -- I guess I should pay that too? <
>
>So McDonalds should provide cars to employees because they are driving
>to work?
I didn't say anything about the commute to work.
>Parking & tolls are built into the price. If it requires an additional
>trip because the tech is lazy then he's the one paying.
That is complete bullshit. YOU are paying if I am working on YOUR
job.
>> All these things are the cost of doing business and should be included
>> in your markup. These are not luxury items. Like I told Bob, if I
>> wanted your headaches, I would start my own business. <
>
>So my customers should pay more because the employee feels he deserves
>his own vehicle?
Yes. Either that, or you buy the Suburban instead of the Escalade.
>Employees love that word DESERVE.
And small potatoes like you love the phrase "My way or the highway".
>> >
>> >Nowhere does it say REQUIRED yet if an employer doesn't pay a Xmas
>> >bonus he's called cheap, lowlife, scumbag, whatever you choose to call
>> >him.
>> >Maybe that employer couldn't afford the bonus because his employees
>> >didn't PRODUCE enough.
>>
>> That's fine. I never expect a bonus, when it's given I truly
>> appreciate it. <
>
>As you should.
>
>>
>> >We are in a country where even the youth are told that they are worth
>> >more than $8.00 an hour in the workplace. None of them want to work
>> >their way to the top. Everybody feels their kid is a genius and
>> >deserves to go to college.
>> >When you want to talk about a fucked up country take a look here first.
>> >Not every kid is a genius. Some kids were meant to grow up and sweep
>> >floors. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh but they won't sweep floors because they were
>> >told they are geniuses. OK so now who the hell do we get to sweep the
>> >floors? Who is going to wipe the old lady's ass in the nursing home?
>> >Who is going to pick the oranges? Who is going to clean motel rooms,
>> >bake pizzas, or bus tables?
>> >The answer from America is NOT ME OR MY KID.
>>
>>
>> Does that apply to your newborn? Is your kid going to sweep floors if
>> he turns out to be a nimrod? Nahhh... you will have told him
>> everything you just wrote above. And if he DOES turn out to be a
>> half-wit, you'll give him a job at 24/7 in management, no less. <
>
>He will not be attending college and YES he will sweep floors. College
>is for people who want to hide from reality.
Hmmmmm... I thought college was for learning to do stuff.
>He will learn what it
>takes to make it in this world. He will break his ass just like his
>father does on a daily basis so he doesn't turn out to be a half-wit or
>nimrod that has trouble holding a job and blames Mexican labor and
>everyone else but himself for it. He'll end up telling people like that
>what to do, and they will either do it or post some diatribe on an
>newsgroup about how the recent migration of Hungarians has destroyed
>the labor market.
He'll have a job handed to him on a silver platter because you won't
have it any other way.
>
>> >Well guess what........ the floor still needs sweeping. The sheets need
>> >changing, and the lettuce needs picking.
>> >If you don't want the job for what I can afford to pay then I am
>> >looking elsewhere.
>> >
>> >So if you have a problem with Mexicans coming here taking away jobs
>> >then instead of bitching about it grab everyone who thinks like you and
>> >run your asses right down to Denny's and take that dishwashing job
>> >about from Raul. Then mosey on over to the Super 8 and tell Guadalupe
>> >you are taking her job changing sheets. And in your spare time make
>> >sure someone tells Francisco that his electrical skills at $20 an hour
>> >are no longer required because you are American and willing to work for
>> >$20 an hour as an electrician.
>> >
>> >The problem isn't trying to stop the flood of immigrants (legal or
>> >otherwise) it's trying to find a vehicle big enough to import their
>> >whole damn country here so some shit can get done because frankly I am
>> >sick & fucking tired of Americans whining about immigrants when that is
>> >what makes this country great.
>>
>> Yeah.. You and I are paying for the illegal's children's education,
>> healthcare, food stamps, social programs, and oh yeah-- prisons & jail
>> occupancy, but that is great. You know that 25% of your health care
>> premium is paying for illegal's, right? You see a small picture,
>> like most republicans. What's good for your wallet at this moment is
>> all that matters. <
>
>Well now that would be considered survival of the fittest again
>wouldn't it? I'm fit enough to survive it. Not my problem if you're
>not. Judging from your gripe you're not fit enough to survive. I'd
>rather pay for their healthcare, food stamps, & social programs than
>pay for your unemployment or social services. They still produce while
>sucking off the government tit. How many people on unemployment can say
>the same?
I've never collected unemployment or welfare, who the fuck do you
think you're talking to?
>> >And if you have a problem with someone who no speakies then send them
>> >and their wallet my way.
>>
>> Send down the busses, you can have them all.<
>
>They're too busy working down there while others sit on their asses and
>complain.
Actually it's an employees market right now (for our trade), employers
are scrambling to find qualified technicians. I get emails from
headhunters all the time.
>> >Too bad they don't speak English or I'd hire the whole damn lot.
>>
>> You can't, they are not eligible to work here.<
>
>Because you survival of the fittest guys are scared to death to give
>them citizenship.
GIVE, GIVE, GIVE, MY ASS!!
THEY NEED TO EARN IT LIKE OUR ANCESTORS DID.
> Make them legal residents and let's see who winds up
>with the jobs and who winds up whining about protecting borders.
Uh huh.
> When
>did the first illegal alien arrive in America?
When is your birthday?
>
>> >The rest of this country should learn to speak French because we've
>> >just like the lazy frog bastards.
>>
>> Seems to me you've reverted to a plantation owner. <
>
>So I'm a slave driver. Survival of the fittest.
>If you liberals had your way I'd be Santa Claus handing shit out left
>and right to every lazy bastard.
>There was a time in this country when a man would shovel shit with his
>toothbrush if it meant his family could eat. Now we have starving kids
>because their parents are too "proud" to take those low wage jobs.
So, let them shovel your shit so you can exploit them?
>The Jews must be doing cartwheels that they are no longer to blame for
>America's employment woes.
Nice, Tom, nice.
>
>If my family was starving and I knew I could feed them by illegally
>entering Canada and working at a diner for $50.00 a week I'd break that
>law.If I owned the diner I would welcome the help. If I ate at the
>diner I would be thankful my meal didn't cost 5 times as much. If I was
>the starving child I would thank GOD my dad was man enough to provide
>for his family.
>What you expect your dad to do if he had no other means, Graham? Would
>he cross the border to feed you or let you starve to death so he
>doesn't offend ignorant people?
My dad would contribute to fixing the problem in his own fucking
country rather than leech and steal from another.
Mark Leuck
>
> Stop being a damn stupid racist ass hole,your not that best in the world
on
> all count,maybe you were said so,to help raise the spririt,for all your
> wars...
This from the man who a few months ago wanted to go over to Israel and kill
a Jew...
G. Morgan
<m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>This from the man who a few months ago wanted to go over to Israel and kill
>a Jew...
>
When did he say that?
Everywhere Man
G. Morgan wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:09:01 -0600, "Mark Leuck"
> <m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >This from the man who a few months ago wanted to go over to Israel and kill
> >a Jew...
> >
>
>
> When did he say that? <
3 months ago Pete wanted to kill Jews which ironically coincides with
the timing of Bass being halfway on death's doorstep.
And yes the Jews are doing cartwheels because they are no longer being
blamed for taking jobs away from hillbillies.
G. Morgan
wrote:
What's the link? Post the message ID?
Everywhere Man
G. Morgan wrote:
> And small potatoes like you love the phrase "My way or the highway".<
"Small potatoes"? Am I the same "Small potatoes" guy you just emailed
asking for business advice because you're thinking of opening your own
shop? You email me requesting help opening a business and you're
calling ME small potatoes? That was the same email where you apologized
for referring to my son in the way you did, and you're right back at it
again today?
Which one of your personalities is posting today? The one who wants
Bass to die or the one who wants to hug him? You've been all over the
mental map lately with your posts. One post you attack then the email
you apologize then the next post you attack.
I've sat back, read your posts, and just considered the source but now
that you apparently want to travel down the personal road I begin to
wonder if you can handle the ride?
Listen Graham, you are in no position whatsoever to throw stones at
ANYONE about ANYTHING. You're a 30 some odd (mostly odd) year old who
last we spoke had to move back in with his parents because life was too
rough for you. You lost jobs, apartments, cell phones, and God knows
what else due to your erratic behavior. You would tell me how you
couldn't work due to emotional stress and depression.
For you to sit and judge someone like me who took the bull by the horns
and decided to open a business is ludicrous. I've had articles up the
ying yang written about my business. What the hell has ever been put in
print about you that wasn't prescribed by a psychiatrist?
Emotional stress and depression? Grow the fuck up and be a man already.
Sitting home being a Weeping Wilma rather than holding down a job or a
home. Waaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa the world is out to get me
Waaaaaaaaaa.
"hello boss, this is Graham I can't come to work anymore because I am
crying"
For you to sit and pass judgement on some migrant worker because he
wants to feed his family is even more absurd. At least the bastard goes
to work.
You are beyond a shadow of a doubt the biggest fucking loser I've ever
seen post here.
I have no doubt when Bass says you called him while you were drunk.
Bass is a primetime bullshit artist but he wasn't pulling that shit he
said out of the air.
What he posted about you was pretty much the same shit you've said to
me when you would call me from your parent's home.
Small potatoes? I'd rather be small potatoes than be bananas.
Next time you and the rest of your personalities get together for lunch
you can all talk about how much of an asshole I am while those of us
that know you sit back and laugh when you reply to this in another
drunken stupor.
As for who the fuck do I think I am talking to? A fucking loser typing
big talk from his momma's house. Do you still get an allowance too,
Buttercup?
Mark Leuck
"G. Morgan" <alar...@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:6b5dk2dssjacef7ti...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:09:01 -0600, "Mark Leuck"
> <m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >This from the man who a few months ago wanted to go over to Israel and
kill
> >a Jew...
> >
>
>
> When did he say that?
Back when Israel attacked Lebanon they shelled a UN installation and killed
4 peacekeepers one of which was Canadian. Of course he didn't mention that
Hezzbolah intentionally placed their camps next to those UN installations
hoping Israel would do just that
Mark Leuck
Ton's semi kidding but I wasn't, I'd find the message for you but I'm lazy
and it's been a few months
G. Morgan
wrote:
>
>G. Morgan wrote:
>> And small potatoes like you love the phrase "My way or the highway".<
>
>"Small potatoes"? Am I the same "Small potatoes" guy you just emailed
>asking for business advice because you're thinking of opening your own
>shop? You email me requesting help opening a business and you're
>calling ME small potatoes? That was the same email where you apologized
>for referring to my son in the way you did, and you're right back at it
>again today?
Yep, the same one.. The one where I wrote "I prefer to keep alarm
related discussions within the boundaries of email, and leave the
heavy hitting political stuff for the alarm forum. :-) I hope I
didn't offend you when I mentioned your kid in the post, that
is not my intention. I wanted to make a point in reply to yours."
That's the one.
If you consider my comment about your kid an attack than you're
thinking unidirectionally as usual.
>Which one of your personalities is posting today? The one who wants
>Bass to die or the one who wants to hug him? You've been all over the
>mental map lately with your posts. One post you attack then the email
>you apologize then the next post you attack.
>I've sat back, read your posts, and just considered the source but now
>that you apparently want to travel down the personal road I begin to
>wonder if you can handle the ride?
I did not start down the personal road Tom, you did.
>Listen Graham, you are in no position whatsoever to throw stones at
>ANYONE about ANYTHING. You're a 30 some odd (mostly odd) year old who
>last we spoke had to move back in with his parents because life was too
>rough for you.
I remember you calling every Morgan you could find in Texas until one
said they knew me. I wasn't living there. My dad told me some guy
"Tom" called from the alarm forum. Curiously, I called back. You
wanted nothing more from me than to get you a managers license in
Texas. You wanted to use me, like you apparently do to everyone. So
what happened to your great expansion plans? That's what I
thought....
I didn't call you back because I knew there was nothing in it for me.
>You lost jobs, apartments, cell phones, and God knows
>what else due to your erratic behavior. You would tell me how you
>couldn't work due to emotional stress and depression.
>For you to sit and judge someone like me who took the bull by the horns
>and decided to open a business is ludicrous. I've had articles up the
>ying yang written about my business. What the hell has ever been put in
>print about you that wasn't prescribed by a psychiatrist?
>Emotional stress and depression? Grow the fuck up and be a man already.
>
>
That conversation was 4 years ago when you were telling me how much
you understood the depression I was going through at the time. How
Monitronics treated you like family, remember? When you were sharing
you personal story of depression with me. How your girlfriend was
suddenly killed. Or was that all bullshit? Man, I can't believe you
are betraying me like this. Oh well. I never lied to you.
>Sitting home being a Weeping Wilma rather than holding down a job or a
>home. Waaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaa Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa the world is out to get me
>Waaaaaaaaaa.
>
>"hello boss, this is Graham I can't come to work anymore because I am
>crying"
>
>For you to sit and pass judgement on some migrant worker because he
>wants to feed his family is even more absurd. At least the bastard goes
>to work.
>You are beyond a shadow of a doubt the biggest fucking loser I've ever
>seen post here.
>I have no doubt when Bass says you called him while you were drunk.
>Bass is a primetime bullshit artist but he wasn't pulling that shit he
>said out of the air.
>What he posted about you was pretty much the same shit you've said to
>me when you would call me from your parent's home.
>Small potatoes? I'd rather be small potatoes than be bananas.
>Next time you and the rest of your personalities get together for lunch
>you can all talk about how much of an asshole I am while those of us
>that know you sit back and laugh when you reply to this in another
>drunken stupor.
>As for who the fuck do I think I am talking to? A fucking loser typing
>big talk from his momma's house. Do you still get an allowance too,
>Buttercup?
You know what? You're just as bad or worse than Bass, he doesn't hide
the fact he's an ass. What I told you in private four years ago has
no bearing on today. For you to bring that up today in an argument on
Usenet is plain wrong.
Don
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G. Morgan
"Topic not found.
We're sorry, but we were unable to find the topic you were looking
for."
Doug
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=zMpDg.39312$sY1.4...@weber.videotron.net
if that doesn't work then try google>groups>advanced group seach
and search for "just for that i am willing to go there and killed"
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G. Morgan
>It works for me, try
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=zMpDg.39312$sY1.4...@weber.videotron.net
Nope:
"Not Found
The requested message, zMpDg.39312$sY1.4...@weber.videotron.net,
could not be found."
"Your search - - did not match any documents."
Doug
Doug
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G. Morgan
<m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote:
> neither works for me either
We have a new tagline winner.
Jim
Robert L Bass wrote:
> > I don't want to STOP immigration. Just restrain
> > it to acceptable and tolerable quantities...
>
> No one cares what you want.
And nobody cares what a dead man like you wants either
You're not going to be here so what the hell do you care
anyway ..... Right?
>
> > It's the CULTURE that's being distorted because
> > of it...
>
> You speaking about culture is the equivalent of George W Bush speaking about a Mensa meeting.
And you being able to spell Mensa is a fucking miracle.
>
> > Look as the quantity of illegals in prison.
> > Look at how schools can't teach the
> > kids because because there arent enough
> > teachers and because the kids can't speak
> > English...
>
> The real problem with schools is two-fold. First, educational funding has been seriously undermined by the Bush adminiwstration.
Yeah sure and he's the one who gave you cancer too. Well at least he
did
ONE good thing that we can all be happy about.
> Second, local and state departments of education waste much of the resources they do have.
Yep, almost as bad as how you rip off people who come to this Newsgroup
by telling them
that you actually know something about alarm systems.
>
> > Look at how the hospitals are closing
> > because they have to give free everything
> > to people who haven't and don't contributed
> > to the tax structure. How can this be good
> > for them OR for us?
>
> Hospitals in this country are big business. Whiloe the hospitals "lose money" every year, the inner medical etite that run them
> rake in multi-million dollar salaries.
Oh noooooo .... you mean it isn't from all the fucking free loaders who
don't pay a damn thing and get
all their kids and familys medical treatments for nothing? You go take
a look at where in this nation the hospitals
are failing and you'll see it's all mostly where they have too fucking
many freeloaders. You know ... just
like when you steal from people who come here by making false claims
about yourself.
>
> >> European immigrants were also a huge
> >> drain on this nation's economy.
> >
> > Sure they were. Doesn't that tell you something?
> > DON'T DO THAT?
>
> No, dummy. It says give them the same chance that your progenetors had so they can become part of this country as well. In a word,
> kwitchabitchinandshaddup!
No it says if you were stupid enough to do it wrong the first time ....
don't do it that way again. You're such a fucking idiot.
Go fuck youself ..... and do it quick before you die.
Really hope that ol chemo is eating away all that fat and blubber
you've been carrying around all these years. Since your family will
only be able to scrape up a few pallbearers who really want to do
it.... we wouldn't want you to be to heavy for them in that pine box.
Maybe you should volunteer for a few extra treatments of chemo. Gotta
get that weight down pretty quick before your reoccurrence starts .....
Come to think of it, why are you even bothering ..... you know it's
gonna come back and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
I couldn't think of a more appropriate person for it to happen to.
Nomen Nescio
should not be repeated in public. Show a little class, both of you.
- badenov
Bob Worthy
> On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:21:15 -0500, "Robert L Bass"
> <rober...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > ... undermined by the Bush adminiwstration.
>
>
> Sufferin' succotash! I did taw a puddy tat!
He just forgot to "press 1 for english"
Everywhere Man
Since you decided to involve yourself I will explain it to you. I agree
a private email should remain private however when a person chooses to
attack my companies, and make disparaging public remarks involving my
son & nepotism, then privacy is out the window. If he's going to poke a
sleeping dog then he shouldn't be bitching when he gets bit. I detest
two-faced people.
The kid would call originally from a Nextel, which belonged to a
company he worked for. He would discuss his fear of losing his job,
depression, and every other mental malady thinking I was somehow
related to Dr. Bob Hartley, and he was Mr. Carlin. Low and behold he
loses his job and calls me from his father's house. I suggested that he
start his own business, and when he said he couldn't swing it I said I
had a friend of mine who was opening (not open yet) in Texas and needed
a licensed installer. I told him I would inquire for him.
About 2 months later my friend told me he just might need someone down
there so figuring Graham could use a job I called the last number he
gave me (his father's house- he was still living there). At that point
Graham was no longer in Waco but was in Houston which made taking a job
in Dallas pretty much impossible. Graham then told me how his brother
lives here in the area and I told Graham that if times got rough, and
he found himself bunking with his brother (which wouldn't be unusual
because he seems to prefer imposing on others rather than making a go
of it for himself), that I would employ him.
Graham's version is that I called every Morgan in the Texas book
looking for him to use him for his Texas license. Now why would I want
to track this clown down when he's online all day?
So here we have me trying to do this kid a favor and he tries to make
it seem I was hunting him down?
NEWSFLASH! I operate in the Northeast! I have all the licenses I need.
I have no interest in expanding my coverage area. I'm hoping to reduce
my coverage area so I can enjoy life more like you old timers.
He crossed the line with me, got slapped like a bitch, threw a tantrum
in his response, and is probably sobbing in his suds.
As for showing class, well that's mighty rich considering we have
people publically rooting for someone to DIE from cancer, others
talking about killing Jews, some discussing killing Mexicans, and then
the ever so lovely public discussion involving lockout codes, and how
to take another company's account.
I'd say me bitch slapping this nutjob for his insulting me is the least
of this newsgroup's moral dilemmas.
With that being said this matter is closed to me.
Now since you have so much free time get off your ass, grab your drill,
pick up Jim, and give me a hand up here.
alarman
Don't ever change.
Your friend, Jack
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