Ademco Vista 15P PGM output for armed condition
Tower Security
like an elevator disabled while the system is armed. I think I've
seen pins coming off the board that references a PGM output? Does
anyone know the details needed to give me a PGM output on a Vista 15p
that follows armed status?
TIA
Reg
Tower Security Systems Inc.
regsiemens at hotmail.com
Effenpig1
I assume you are considering using an on-board relay in the panel to
"break" a control circuit to disable the elevator. Before you commit
to this you need to consider a few fine points. If the elevator is in
use, will your setup allow it to finish its cycle? What would happen
in case of a failure of this "circuit" or the panel itself ? What does
code say about this? How good is your insurance?
Jim Rojas
Elevator recall hookup is best left handled by the servicing elevator
company. You would need to use a 4204 relay module. You will have to run
a pair to either the elevator control room, or where ever the elevator
company makes the connections. Use fire rated wire, 18/4 minimum just in
case.
Jim Rojas
alarman
> Elevator recall hookup is best left handled by the servicing elevator
> company.
+1
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js
Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
Tower Security
customer has a keyswitch that presently disables the elevator. They
typically turn off this switch when they arm the alarm and leave for
the day, unfortunately there are instances when turning the switch off
is forgotten - thus the reason for their request. All the relay
output is going to do is exactly what the customer currently does with
the keyswitch.
The assistance I was looking for is more along the lines of specifics
for a 15p. I thought there is a row of pins off the board that
includes PGM outputs? Is the 4204 really required? What programming
addresses need to be changed and to what?
Thanks!
Reg
Robert L Bass
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> Don't use Ademco much but have an application where the customer would
> like an elevator disabled while the system is armed. I think I've
> seen pins coming off the board that references a PGM output? Does
> anyone know the details needed to give me a PGM output on a Vista 15p
> that follows armed status?
Hi Reg,
You're going to need the manual first:
http://www.security.honeywell.com/hsc/resources/mywebtech/index.html
User Name: honeywell
Password: support99
You've been around a long time so I'm sure you know to use a relay to isolate
the PGM from the elevator's voltage. Elevator Recall is not the function you
need. If the elevator control panel has an input to disable the buttons in the
lobby, use that to prevent anyone from entering the elevator. That way, if
someone is still in the building they can exit.
Possible problems:
(1) Someone waiting at the lobby level could enter when the door opens as
someone else is leaving.
(2) Disabled person on an upper floor when the system arms.
For these reasons you should at least check with someone familiar with code
pertaining to elevators. Every US state has its own code though most are
similar. I assume there's something similar in Manitoba, Ca.
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Robert L Bass
>
> Elevator recall hookup is best left handled by the servicing elevator
Jim,
This guy has been in the industry for over 20 years. He understands the
implications; just needs the manual. I sent it to him.
Robert L Bass
>
> The assistance I was looking for is more along the lines of specifics
> for a 15p. I thought there is a row of pins off the board that
> includes PGM outputs? Is the 4204 really required? What programming
> addresses need to be changed and to what?
Reg,
I just sent the manual to your company email (not the one you use here).
Tower Security
done this before and can cut to the chase on what is needed in *79 &
*80 to get Output 17 (on-board) to change based on armed or disarmed
state...
Did I mention I'm not an Ademco fan?!?!
Doug
"Tower Security" <regsi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I'm not that familiar with Ademco either, you can drive a low current relay
directly from the on board outputs, as to the max current available or the
programming options, the manual will explain all that.
I know you're not really looking for more comments on the implications of
doing this automatically when the alarm is armed, but.....
You can be reasonably sure that if they are now forgetting to disable the
elevator with the keyswitch, they will in the future forget to check the
elevator before arming the system which may or may not be an issue depending
on what actions the elevator performs when the switch is operated. If the
switch recalls the elevator and opens the door before disabling the elevator
then it may be OK, but I'd still be hesitant to do it, if it simply shuts
the elevator down then I personally wouldn't do it. I'd check with the
elevator codes for your area before doing anything that affects the
operation of an elevator.
Doug
mleuck
Then you have no business doing this
Tower Security
elevator control. Since the switch that we would be manipulating
(with a relay fired by the PGM out) was installed by the elevator
company I have a reasonable level of comfort with this, however your
advice has been considered and we will take extra precautions to
protect our company.
Effenpig1
If you are intent on this I would at least set it up so if the circuit
fails it does not disable the elevator.
I wouldn't do it, but for sake of argument you should be able to do it
exactly the same way as adding an LED that is on when armed, just
powering a relay to hold the circuit open instead of an LED.
Tower Security
> exactly the same way as adding an LED that is on when armed, just
> powering a relay to hold the circuit open instead of an LED.
Precisely...which still means programming sections 79 and 80 correctly
and I'm hoping that someone has done this previously and can provide
some assistance...
Doing this on a DSC is as simple as programming a 17 in section
009...surely someone can translate this into Ademcobabble?!?...
Jim Rojas
I don't even know if you can do it through the keypad on an Ademco Vista
15P...I usually do it through the software. You select a relay and
output and choose which zones trigger the output, and for whatever
condition or reason. DSC is very simplistic. Ademco gets into more
details and options when it comes to relay outputs.
Jim Rojas
Robert L Bass
>
> Thanks Robert - I already have the manual but was hoping someone has
> done this before and can cut to the chase on what is needed in *79 &
> *80 to get Output 17 (on-board) to change based on armed or disarmed
> state...
I just sent you a 2nd PDF. It's a short guide to programming triggers on the
Vista-15P.
> Did I mention I'm not an Ademco fan?!?!
Me neither. :^)
Robert L Bass
I hate programming Hoineywell panels, but here's the routine. I *think* this is
correct. :^)
Enter program mode by powering down then back up
and pressing the *+# simultaneously within 50 seconds
of power up, or enter the Installer code:
(4112) + 8 + 0 + 0
Screen displays:
"INSTALLER CODE 20"
Press *80
Screen displays:
"Output Funct #" 01
Press 01*
Screen displays:
"01 A E Trig
?00 0 0 - ZL =00"
Press *
Screen Displays:
"01 Activated By: Delete 0"
Press 2
Screen will display:
"01 Enter Zone Type"
Press 21 = Arming-AWAY
After this:
Press *
Press *
Screen displays:
"Output action"
Press 2 = Close and Stay Closed
Screen displays:
"Enter Output No."
Press 17 = Trigger 1
or
18 = Trigger 2
Screen displays summery:
"01 A E Trig
?00 0 0 - ZL =00"
Press *
Screen displays "Output Funct #"
Press 00 to quit
Hope that helps.
Jim Rojas
Like I said...better off using the software. :)
Jim Rojas
mleuck
wrote:
Have fun helping him when his keypad goes blank after hitting *80
mleuck
Not really, takes 2 minutes at the keypad
Effenpig1
I agree, if he doesn't have software already set up he'll spend more
time futzing around than if he just banged it out at the keypad.
Reminds me of a guy I worked with. He would walk all the way across a
building and back to the the van to get a battery screw gun instead of
using the manual screwdriver in his toolbag, just to remove 1 or 2
screws. Used to crack me up.
The reason I mentioned the LED is most ademco panel instruction
manuals have simplified instructions for setting up a keyswitch with
an armed LED, or they used to anyway, I think.
Tower Security
FWIW I have the right Ademco keypad so I should be off to the races...
Thanks all!
James B
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Robert,
I think you will need to program a stop event as well, so the relay
will turn off on disarming.
JAmes
mleuck
>
> I think you will need to program a stop event as well, so the relay
> will turn off on disarming.
>
> JAmes
Shhhh Robert thinks he can keypad program
sa...@bassburglaralarms.com
Regards,
Robert
Tower Security
wrote:
> You're right. Hope Reg noticed your post.
>
> Regards,
> Robert
I did notice the post and think I should be able to sort out the stop
event from the information provided.
Thanks all!
Robert L Bass
Thanks all!
NP Reg,
Other than this, how've you been doing?
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Regards,
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